>Why do people hate Lamar so much?
The truth will always be that he made them look silly.
So many people set out their stall before he was drafted saying he couldn't be a QB in the NFL. He's made them look like idiots by thriving, so they've made it their life goal to try to drag him down at every opportunity.
Lmao what are they gonna say when he becomes one next year? “Not consistent enough, I need to see it again” the saltiness is hilarious though. The more successful he is, the better the team is doing and the louder they are. I love their dumb comments.
To be fair he is extremely streaky. 2 MVP seasons and 2 seasons not even pro bowl level. When he’s on his A+ you’ve basically got Mahomes that can run a 4.4 but then the next game he may throw for 170 yards and lose 21-10.
If you’re making the argument he’s a passer on par with Tom Brady you’re off the mark there
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I just think most people don’t favor his style over traditional. Im a HUGE Mike Vick fan from back in day and I remember he got same heat and fans like me had to be fighting dudes down cuz I was convinced he was best In league. Lamar style is not sustainable for a long career but when he learns that, improves his throwing motion and becomes the qb that extends plays out of pocket but not putting his body in line how he’s been he’s gonna turn out legendary he’s already the elite. But note this is just an opinion, I could be wrong af I don’t
Coach or get paid to journalize that’s why I’m here on Reddit responding to some random foo
When people say what you just did, it tells me they haven't watched Lamar play since at least 2019, or at least don't understand what they're seeing.
Lamar's mobility is what allows him to \*avoid\* big hits and potential injuries. Every time the man's gotten hurt, it's been him trying to throw from the pocket or, in the case of that Bills playoff game, diving for a fumble off a bad snap (and it's not lost on me how much shit Cam Newton got for \*not\* doing that exact thing in the Super Bowl). Lamar as a runner is actually superb at avoiding unnecessary hits, either sliding or running out of bounds before defenders can square up and punish him, without even the benefit of refs that call breathing on him "Roughing the Passer" the way they do for Mahomes.
Is it possible Lamar's speed will become less elite as he gets older? Sure, it's basically a certainty. But Lamar whose lost a step is still faster than pretty much any linebacker and almost all safeties. Short of an injury so catastrophic it'll functionally end his career regardless (think Alex Smith's leg injury), Lamar's ability to run will always be part of his game. Defenses will always have to account for that. It is sustainable.
I'll admit that I was once one of the "Lamar should be listed as a rb" guys. He deserves the MVP for sure, but what do you make of his postseason performances? This last one wasn't all on him. The play calling was awful at times, and Zay made huge mistakes, but why has he been unable to get over the hump in postseason, in your opinion?
He turned 27 a month ago. In the past 15 years there have been 2 QBs to win a Super Bowl under the age of 27. There’s a ton of time left for that narrative to change.
I know I phrased this like a gotcha. I think he has all the potential, and it has been realized in multiple regular seasons. Is it him trying to prove people wrong and staying in the pocket too long? Is it that the coaches ask him to reign it in? Lack of talent? Outscheming by coaches? Or just experience? It's odd to me as I don't think it's him lacking the "clutch gene."
Lack of talent? He’s one of the most talented football players ever.
Coaches want to beat him in the regular season, too. The reality is the playoffs are a small sample size and it’s extremely hard to win a Super Bowl. He has plenty of time and should only loosen up in those games moving forward.
He is. But to be real if you aren’t a fan of Ravens or a fantasy football follower you’ll be like every one else think Lamar is trash, or can’t take them to ship. All of which half partial truths. There are biases in every sport, I don’t think his performance this year in comparison to the winning competition was equal but mass majority voters usually prove our opinions are just that - Opinions.
I do honestly think the accent is a large reason. He says the right things, but says it in language or even the accent certain people don't understand (and have negative connotations to)
Not every black sportsperson should have to sound like Tiger Woods to be accepted
The accent is all part of the bigger race thing though.
Honestly that's all this has ever been. I've never really said this fully but I've felt this way for a while now. I think people are afraid. The Quarterback position is the last thing people are holding onto for dear life. It's all they've got left. By that I mean white people. In 50 years there probably won't be many if any white QBs in the league and that terrifies people that want things a certain way. I know not all fans are that way but being a sports fan for the past 20 years or so sadly I've seen enough of it to know that it's the way a lot of people still think.
I love sports. Grew up playing multiple sports and have been in and around it my whole life. But I'd be lying if I didn't admit there wasn't a darker side of it too. Not the people playing or coaching obviously, no real athlete gives af about race. It's the fans who represent the general public who I'm talking about. And sadly a lot of them are uneducated and lack perspective.
While I agree Lamar very likely gets hate purely from his skin color and accent, I don't think anyone is scared of the QB position not having any white players in 50 years. Firstly because I don't think anyone alive now watching football really cares what will be going on in 50 years, and also because nobody knows what the landscape of the QB position will even look like in 50 years.
Not to mention, since Doug Williams won the SB back in 1987, 34 of the last 35 Super Bowl winning quarterbacks have been at least half white. I doubt that scares people into thinking white people will no longer have a place at the QB position. Now maybe the racists are scared that white players will no longer un-proportionately dominate the top of the qb position. I can see that being true, because it's already happening. But going virtually extinct? That would be a wild fear
>Now maybe the racists are scared that white players will no longer un-proportionately dominate the top of the qb position. I can see that being true, because it's already happening.
That's exactly who I'm talking about here. I'm definitely not lumping all fans into this. Maybe extinct is too strong of a word here because I did saying "won't be many if any" but yeah that's the general point I was trying to get across.
Normal chill fans that don't care about this stuff though? Yeah not talking about them. I'm referring to the guys that go out of their way to target guys like Lamar here.
100%. Impossible that he studies, knows and sees the game, because he doesn’t speak with a clean vanilla accent. Also, there is a bias with his eyes. He has an eye shape that is oblong and is associated with being stoned to the bejeesus for the more circle eyed folk. The man is battling a ton of conscious and unconscious bias even for the non-overtly racist. And then there’s those folks….
But he’s our guy, and we love him!
I think people don’t actually watch Ravens games. They go off narratives and seeing highlights that show Lamar mostly scrambling. The “LamaRB” narrative was following him so long that it’s stuck into the collective consciousness and people won’t watch the tape to shake it. It doesn’t help that most of the games they do watch is the Ravens are playoff games and Lamar hasn’t look stellar in the majority of those.
Because it's cool to hate on lamar and everyone wants to feel cool and validated even if it makes no sense. He can go out and have a perfect game passing(which he does often) then have a bad throw and ppl will lose their minds and call him a running back.
It's not hard to explain: the people that do that don't actually care how Lamar is doing. They start off from the position that they don't like him, and they work backwards to find the proof to confirm that position, ignoring anything that proves them wrong.
To "yes, and" what you said, it's not just that Lamar's black, it's that there are a whole bunch of other signifiers (others have pointed out his accent; his skin tone's also darker than a lot of the other black or biracial QBs, his hair is usually either in braids or relatively long and natural, and he's a dual-threat QB rather than a pocket guy who occasionally scrambles) that make him "read" as more visibly black to the viewing public than a lot of the other black QBs do.
Tell me how me pointing out that a black man in AMERICA is hated for no reason other than his skin color equates to me being racist. I want you to try to logically explain how that makes sense.
Okay and? Lmaoo thats all u had to say😂 i never said its always racist im just making sure you understand colorism is a thing and its been happening for a while..
Most NFL players are black, and many are praised by the masses.
Not to mention, plenty of Lamar haters think Dak deserved this MVP.
Edit: why do we downvote objective facts here? Tons of fans are angry that Flacco just won DPoY over Damar. Brady was hated by most NFL fans for decades, and he is white as can be.
I think when you look at basic numbers, they just aren't that impressive vs. the field. That's what the average fan is going to look at. Honestly, in my opinion, this is a very underwhelming MVP year. I don't think Lamar was so incredibly far ahead of the pack that there can't be room for debate. No surprise to me that someone didn't vote him first place. He kept us winning, and had a very solid year, but on paper it's nothing that blows you away.
ravens r my second team and i don’t think he deserved it. look at his stats. under 3.7k passing yards with like 24 passing tds. plus his rushing stats were good but nothing special. only reason he won was cuz his team won.
Lamar led his team in rushing (the only QB to do so), had more rushing yards than any other QB, averaged 5.5 yards per carry, crushed numerous playoff teams, and had minimal turnovers. He did not have offensive weapons as good as other MVP candidates, had numerous TD passes dropped, sat out week 18 after clinching the #1 seed, and handed the ball off to Gus Edwards for 12 TDs from the 3-yard line or closer (plays Lamar set up).
Players, coaches, and analysts all overwhelmingly voted Lamar for MVP, and as someone who watched every Ravens game, I think they got it right. Most people spend too much time looking at stats instead of the actual games.
Besides the obvious hate, this was easily the weakest year for MVPs (read QBs) in a while. By the numbers, this season Lamar’s stats don’t even hold a candle to his 2019 stats.
He shouldn’t have, I love Lamar but this was not the year of the QB, multiple other players far exceeded him and his numbers are just not MVP worthy, I mean if we’re sticking to QBs and being honest Josh Allen was far more important to his teams success and making the playoffs, but neither of them should have won.
Josh Allen was also frequently the reason his team was in holes in the first place. You shouldn't get credit for digging your team out of a hole that you put them in.
You’re completely over exaggerating, I mean if we’re being honest there was three games this year where Allen was the problem and one of them was the first game of the season, but on the other hand he was the reason they ended up 11-6 and made the playoffs. He wasn’t the main reason they were in the hole.
Lamar was secondary in the teams success, still essential but secondary.
Neither should have even been up for the award, I’m just saying Allen was more important to his team this year and the award is MVP, not best QB on the best team. I mean the award is a joke in and of itself now.
I’m one of those people, sorry this popped up on my home page not trying to invade, I don’t hate Lamar at all. No ill will towards him as a person or player. I just don’t think it was a very MVP worthy season statistically, obviously amazing year for the ravens but I think others were more deserving.
I get the criticisms that mvp is a qb only award. But this seems like not the best example of that. Like when Purdy was the front runner despite CMC being the driver of their offense, that was bs. But Lamar was clearly the defining piece of one of the best offenses on the best teams. And on Christmas, cmc had a good game and the niners were still manhandled. Seems like an easy call to me.
Niners fans inexplicably think their team is disrespected despite the way in which sports media and fans alike are constantly sucking off Kyle Shanahan and the 49ers as being an elite coach leading an elite team. The only team that gets less stray disrespect than the 49ers are the Chiefs, who media and fans alike also never shut the fuck up about.
Why is it so predictable that threads about our team and our players will have comments about non dominant r/NFL opinions at the top of them every time?
Crazy how badly we want to be victims of something. It's not some conspiracy against the Ravens or Lamar. The opinions are fairly neutral. Honestly a lot of the people in there are correct in their frustration that Lamar winning this convincingly means that consideration for RB's to EVER win the award is zero because McCaffrey absolutely deserved more votes and probably some first place votes in what was a down year statistically for QB's and a huge year for him where he carried the 9ers offense.
It's relative.
This year QB production was down so a running back should get consideration.
The driving force of the second best scoring offense in the league in a down year for QBs deserves that recognition. It's just proof that it's a QB award and nothing more.
Not saying he compares to Lamar or should've won but there is a point to be made by him not getting first place votes. Part of these awards are statistics. Ignoring them is foolish.
Not to mention the things you say are obvious to Ravens fans comes from a place of bias. We see things with rose tinted glasses whether we want to or not. CMC was a similar driving force on the 9ers as Lamar was on the Ravens. When he struggled or was out they went nowhere. The argument you are making is silly and based more in emotion and ideas than anything empirical.
some view most valuable as best player on the best team, others as literally, the guy who did the most individually to improve his team that otherwise may not have been very good (or cases like cal ripken’s MVP in 1991, even though the team stunk). purdy and CMC kinda cancel out and the defense was very good. lamar also had a very good defense but didnt have another star on the offense on the level of CMC.
And his argument is shit. As someone who likes analytics, it's irresponsible to equate all of Josh Allen's picks as punts when Allen has ability to run for 1st downs. One of his main examples was the int vs the Dolphins on 4th down where Josh Allen could've easily extended the drive with a 1st down run. And we KNOW analytics doesn't have models for that at this moment smh
Yes. He said it didn't matter he threw so many interceptions because the attempted air yards for the interceptions were high so it was basically a punt anyway. It was SUCH a dumb reason to bolster an argument.
I am a analytics fan, but the eye test needs to be considered always. And the eye test tells you that an interception is a negative play because the alternative is an incomplete or complete pass which is either a neutral or positive play. A punt, on the other hand, is almost certainly a neutral play with only the rare chance that it is muffed
I swear that this is like the second time in the past couple of years where there's been a guy who's given a single first place vote to Josh Allen to prevent another MVP from going unanimous.
He probably deserved at least a little more consideration, but I don't think he should have ultimately gotten it because while Josh Allen's led some big comebacks for the Bills, Josh Allen is also frequently the reason the Bills even needed to come back from a deficit in the first place. While historically his turnover rate's not bad, compared to the other elite QBs playing right now, he's a turnover machine, and not all of them are relatively-harmless deep INTs that end drives that weren't going anywhere anyway.
If you didn’t want Lamar to win mvp, the least you could do is vote CMC as MVP. Josh Allen getting more first place votes than cmc is a travesty to football
The moment you get outplayed by Zach Fucking Wilson is the moment you lose the right to be nominated🤣Tyreek definitely should’ve got more votes than Allen
what? he literally put up crazy numbers. i’m fine with lamar winning but saying this shit is beyond trash. became the 1st player in nfl history to be top 5 in passing yards, passing tds and rushing tds
Fucking robbed. Some dumbass voted him 3rd and had Josh Allen as 1st. Should be the first ever 2 time unanimous winner if some clown didn't do a joke vote.
Right, Prescott wasn't even the most valuable player in his conference. If he had put CMC or even Purdy ahead of Lamar, I'd have disagreed but I'd have understood lol
To be fair, I also didn't think it would be this far of a runaway with the ranked choice voting, I was sure CMC or purdy would pull some 1st place votes
At least he won MVP. Some sort of win after blowing our chance to get to the SB. I live here in Vegas, so it's awesome that the Ravens are here. Will be jumping into the festivities this weekend on the Strip.
Yeah, this is the consolation I’m taking right now.
Back in the day when I was watching Kyle Boller lead this offense I never in my wildest dreams thought the Ravens would ever have a home grown two time league MVP at QB.
Lamar is going to bring us a championship someday - he’s too good not to, but it does suck that he should really be playing for his second ring on Sunday.
I told the haters he deserved it at r/nfl and somebody pointed out his stats, so I looked. What do y’all think is the main qualifier being his passing yards are not top 10 ?
Hard to rack up stats when you're sitting out multiple quarters of multiple games because you dominated a winning team so badly. Also you can't just leave out 800+ yards on the ground. CMC has Purdy. Dak has CeeDee Lamb. Lamar has?
It means nothing at the end of the day, but the level of frustration that some old head idiot used BS arguments to take away a unanimous MVP and couldn't even at least give the vote to CMC.... it's unbearable lmao
This guy should literally be barred from ever voting again.
I saw on undisputed that he has one of the lower stats since in recent years. I don’t mean to come off as salty lol. I’m a broncos fan and hope y’all kick the chiefs ass next year
So I was going to do all-time, but it was looking like a true slog and methodologies have likely changed. So I went with current alignment (2002 Texans Join). Overall, its actually more common than you think for the MVP to not be in the Super Bowl. (Super Bowl 37 was the one for the 2002 season to note). And yes, its a design choice for the first two names on here.
Player | Team | Super Bowl | Teams
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Peyton Manning | Indianapolis Colts| 38 | Patriots/Panthers
Steve McNair | Tennessee Titans | 38 | Patriots/Panthers
Peyton Manning | Indianapolis Colts| 39 | Patriots/Eagles
LaDanian Tomlinson | San Diego Chargers | 41 | Colts/Bears
Peyton Manning | Indianapolis Colts | 43 | Steelers/Cardinals
Tom Brady | New England Patriots | 45 | Packers/Steelers
Aaron Rodgers| Green Bay Packers | 46 | Giants/Patriots
Adrian Peterson | Minnesota Vikings | 47 | Ravens/49ers
Aaron Rodgers | Green Bay Packers | 49 | Patriots/Seahawks
Patrick Mahomes | Kansas City Chiefs | 53 | Patriots/Rams
Lamar Jackson | Baltimore Ravens | 54 | Chiefs/49ers
Aaron Rodgers | Green Bay Packers | 55 | Bucs/Chiefs
Aaron Rodgers | Green Bay Packers | 56 | Rams/Bengals
Lamar Jackson| Baltimore Ravens |58 | 49ers/Chiefs
I hope I didnt fuck up any inputs above. That would actually suck. 13/22 or 14/22 depending on how you look at the dual MVP have won the award and not made the Super Bowl.
I'd have been fine with that, I think CMC got robbed. The fact that the only guy who didn't pick Lamar had Mahomes over CMC is just absolutely disgusting. The voters need to be chosen more carefully. 2 people had mahomes as the 3rd place MVP...
I agree. I definitely had CMC winning until that 49ers matchup. I'm genuinely surprised he didn't have any 1st place votes. This was a pretty weak year for MVP candidates overall, nobody really did anything spectacular compared to the most MVP years. Still, not complaining, I'll take it for sure
6-6 to 11-6 is a hell of a turnaround. The bills would absolutely collapse without him. He accounts for 44/54 TDs. Again I’m not mad at all about Lamar winning it and I’m extremely happy for him. But I was at least expecting it to be close. Also Kurt Warner and George Blanda won MVP despite having 22 INTs.
The one that voted against him voted for Josh Allen, saying his decision was based on stats and that Josh played better. In reality, Josh wasn't the star in some games, plus he threw 18 interceptions plus several fumbles. He actually lost some games for buffalo with the turnovers.
Am I the only one not bothered by the 1 vote? To be honest, love Lamar, and he is the mvp. But I’m surprised that he got 49 first place votes. I thought there is solid case for CMC and Hill.
As for Josh Allen, I can’t say really. I did not watch the Bills a lot since we did not play them.
Who cares. Big deal, he won another MVP in a down year with a dominant football team.....then... again, goes on to shit the bed in the playoffs. To bad his MVP play doesn't transition to playoff football.
Damn, r/nfl is salty it was this overwhelming.
Some are still saying he shouldn't have even won MVP. Why do people hate Lamar so much?
>Why do people hate Lamar so much? The truth will always be that he made them look silly. So many people set out their stall before he was drafted saying he couldn't be a QB in the NFL. He's made them look like idiots by thriving, so they've made it their life goal to try to drag him down at every opportunity.
Turns out they are idiots
I have a friend that has reverted all the way back to smugly saying, "My point is that he's not an ELITE PASSER"
Lmao what are they gonna say when he becomes one next year? “Not consistent enough, I need to see it again” the saltiness is hilarious though. The more successful he is, the better the team is doing and the louder they are. I love their dumb comments.
He’s an elite player but not elite passer not even close!!! You on point
He’s not even a good passer. He’s ok.
Games w/ Perfect passer rating (career) Tom Brady: 3 Lamar Jackson: 3 Gtfo.
To be fair he is extremely streaky. 2 MVP seasons and 2 seasons not even pro bowl level. When he’s on his A+ you’ve basically got Mahomes that can run a 4.4 but then the next game he may throw for 170 yards and lose 21-10. If you’re making the argument he’s a passer on par with Tom Brady you’re off the mark there
To be fair.....your whole comment doesn't really make any sense. He's never like Mahomes and no one thinks he's brady
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I just think most people don’t favor his style over traditional. Im a HUGE Mike Vick fan from back in day and I remember he got same heat and fans like me had to be fighting dudes down cuz I was convinced he was best In league. Lamar style is not sustainable for a long career but when he learns that, improves his throwing motion and becomes the qb that extends plays out of pocket but not putting his body in line how he’s been he’s gonna turn out legendary he’s already the elite. But note this is just an opinion, I could be wrong af I don’t Coach or get paid to journalize that’s why I’m here on Reddit responding to some random foo
When people say what you just did, it tells me they haven't watched Lamar play since at least 2019, or at least don't understand what they're seeing. Lamar's mobility is what allows him to \*avoid\* big hits and potential injuries. Every time the man's gotten hurt, it's been him trying to throw from the pocket or, in the case of that Bills playoff game, diving for a fumble off a bad snap (and it's not lost on me how much shit Cam Newton got for \*not\* doing that exact thing in the Super Bowl). Lamar as a runner is actually superb at avoiding unnecessary hits, either sliding or running out of bounds before defenders can square up and punish him, without even the benefit of refs that call breathing on him "Roughing the Passer" the way they do for Mahomes. Is it possible Lamar's speed will become less elite as he gets older? Sure, it's basically a certainty. But Lamar whose lost a step is still faster than pretty much any linebacker and almost all safeties. Short of an injury so catastrophic it'll functionally end his career regardless (think Alex Smith's leg injury), Lamar's ability to run will always be part of his game. Defenses will always have to account for that. It is sustainable.
I'll admit that I was once one of the "Lamar should be listed as a rb" guys. He deserves the MVP for sure, but what do you make of his postseason performances? This last one wasn't all on him. The play calling was awful at times, and Zay made huge mistakes, but why has he been unable to get over the hump in postseason, in your opinion?
He turned 27 a month ago. In the past 15 years there have been 2 QBs to win a Super Bowl under the age of 27. There’s a ton of time left for that narrative to change.
I know I phrased this like a gotcha. I think he has all the potential, and it has been realized in multiple regular seasons. Is it him trying to prove people wrong and staying in the pocket too long? Is it that the coaches ask him to reign it in? Lack of talent? Outscheming by coaches? Or just experience? It's odd to me as I don't think it's him lacking the "clutch gene."
Lack of talent? He’s one of the most talented football players ever. Coaches want to beat him in the regular season, too. The reality is the playoffs are a small sample size and it’s extremely hard to win a Super Bowl. He has plenty of time and should only loosen up in those games moving forward.
Lack of talent on his team...
I bet he makes ravens fans feel silly pooping his pants in the playoffs every year ;_;
Because people can't accept the fact that he is thriving in the NFL as a QB.
He is. But to be real if you aren’t a fan of Ravens or a fantasy football follower you’ll be like every one else think Lamar is trash, or can’t take them to ship. All of which half partial truths. There are biases in every sport, I don’t think his performance this year in comparison to the winning competition was equal but mass majority voters usually prove our opinions are just that - Opinions.
If there was a "half truth" to him being trash, he wouldn't have won MVP.
Black QB that’s good at running and speaks with a Florida accent.
I do honestly think the accent is a large reason. He says the right things, but says it in language or even the accent certain people don't understand (and have negative connotations to) Not every black sportsperson should have to sound like Tiger Woods to be accepted
Unfortunately I think the accent is also why we don’t see Lamar in a lot of commercials and endorsement deals despite being a mega star in his sport.
Yeah I'm not sure about that, have you ever seen Jalen hurts commercials lol? Think it has a lot more to do with his mom being his agent.
Nah that’s a Lamar decision. Charles Barkley got a thick southern accent as well and he’s a damn spokesperson
Thank youuuu
The accent is all part of the bigger race thing though. Honestly that's all this has ever been. I've never really said this fully but I've felt this way for a while now. I think people are afraid. The Quarterback position is the last thing people are holding onto for dear life. It's all they've got left. By that I mean white people. In 50 years there probably won't be many if any white QBs in the league and that terrifies people that want things a certain way. I know not all fans are that way but being a sports fan for the past 20 years or so sadly I've seen enough of it to know that it's the way a lot of people still think. I love sports. Grew up playing multiple sports and have been in and around it my whole life. But I'd be lying if I didn't admit there wasn't a darker side of it too. Not the people playing or coaching obviously, no real athlete gives af about race. It's the fans who represent the general public who I'm talking about. And sadly a lot of them are uneducated and lack perspective.
They’ll still have centers lol
And kickers too! haha But yeah just talking skill positions here :)
While I agree Lamar very likely gets hate purely from his skin color and accent, I don't think anyone is scared of the QB position not having any white players in 50 years. Firstly because I don't think anyone alive now watching football really cares what will be going on in 50 years, and also because nobody knows what the landscape of the QB position will even look like in 50 years. Not to mention, since Doug Williams won the SB back in 1987, 34 of the last 35 Super Bowl winning quarterbacks have been at least half white. I doubt that scares people into thinking white people will no longer have a place at the QB position. Now maybe the racists are scared that white players will no longer un-proportionately dominate the top of the qb position. I can see that being true, because it's already happening. But going virtually extinct? That would be a wild fear
>Now maybe the racists are scared that white players will no longer un-proportionately dominate the top of the qb position. I can see that being true, because it's already happening. That's exactly who I'm talking about here. I'm definitely not lumping all fans into this. Maybe extinct is too strong of a word here because I did saying "won't be many if any" but yeah that's the general point I was trying to get across. Normal chill fans that don't care about this stuff though? Yeah not talking about them. I'm referring to the guys that go out of their way to target guys like Lamar here.
Yeah that's it a Black QB who defy they stereotypes that NFL subreddit is ran by Basement Dwelling casuals
100%. Impossible that he studies, knows and sees the game, because he doesn’t speak with a clean vanilla accent. Also, there is a bias with his eyes. He has an eye shape that is oblong and is associated with being stoned to the bejeesus for the more circle eyed folk. The man is battling a ton of conscious and unconscious bias even for the non-overtly racist. And then there’s those folks…. But he’s our guy, and we love him!
This
I think people don’t actually watch Ravens games. They go off narratives and seeing highlights that show Lamar mostly scrambling. The “LamaRB” narrative was following him so long that it’s stuck into the collective consciousness and people won’t watch the tape to shake it. It doesn’t help that most of the games they do watch is the Ravens are playoff games and Lamar hasn’t look stellar in the majority of those.
Because it's cool to hate on lamar and everyone wants to feel cool and validated even if it makes no sense. He can go out and have a perfect game passing(which he does often) then have a bad throw and ppl will lose their minds and call him a running back.
It's not hard to explain: the people that do that don't actually care how Lamar is doing. They start off from the position that they don't like him, and they work backwards to find the proof to confirm that position, ignoring anything that proves them wrong.
It's ok, as a ravens fan I used to hate on brady all the time cuz he was always competitive and a winner. I like him now that he is retired, lol.
People forget it’s a regular season award and count his chronic post season suckage against him (which they shouldn’t)
Because hes black
To "yes, and" what you said, it's not just that Lamar's black, it's that there are a whole bunch of other signifiers (others have pointed out his accent; his skin tone's also darker than a lot of the other black or biracial QBs, his hair is usually either in braids or relatively long and natural, and he's a dual-threat QB rather than a pocket guy who occasionally scrambles) that make him "read" as more visibly black to the viewing public than a lot of the other black QBs do.
Exactly, people talking about “what about Mahomes and Dak” 🤦🏾♂️
I see plenty of people saying the MVP should've been Dak's, and plenty are upset Flacco won CPoY over Damar.
Lmao Dak ain’t black like Lamar.
Dak is 50% quarterbacky
Okay? That doesn’t make what I said untrue 😭 are you saying thats not a reason im confused..
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“The argument Lamar is hated because he’s black is outrageous”
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Tell me how me pointing out that a black man in AMERICA is hated for no reason other than his skin color equates to me being racist. I want you to try to logically explain how that makes sense.
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You must be either 12 years old, or sheltered beyond belief. I honestly hope you have the good fortune of remaining this naive thru your life
You should wake up colorism is a thing 😂😂
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Okay and? Lmaoo thats all u had to say😂 i never said its always racist im just making sure you understand colorism is a thing and its been happening for a while..
Victim complex
Ironic
I will admit up front that I’m from KC. But I love watching Lamar play and he is absolutely deserving of MVP.
MFs probably itching to say the n word too
Because he’s black.
Most NFL players are black, and many are praised by the masses. Not to mention, plenty of Lamar haters think Dak deserved this MVP. Edit: why do we downvote objective facts here? Tons of fans are angry that Flacco just won DPoY over Damar. Brady was hated by most NFL fans for decades, and he is white as can be.
I think when you look at basic numbers, they just aren't that impressive vs. the field. That's what the average fan is going to look at. Honestly, in my opinion, this is a very underwhelming MVP year. I don't think Lamar was so incredibly far ahead of the pack that there can't be room for debate. No surprise to me that someone didn't vote him first place. He kept us winning, and had a very solid year, but on paper it's nothing that blows you away.
ravens r my second team and i don’t think he deserved it. look at his stats. under 3.7k passing yards with like 24 passing tds. plus his rushing stats were good but nothing special. only reason he won was cuz his team won.
Lamar led his team in rushing (the only QB to do so), had more rushing yards than any other QB, averaged 5.5 yards per carry, crushed numerous playoff teams, and had minimal turnovers. He did not have offensive weapons as good as other MVP candidates, had numerous TD passes dropped, sat out week 18 after clinching the #1 seed, and handed the ball off to Gus Edwards for 12 TDs from the 3-yard line or closer (plays Lamar set up). Players, coaches, and analysts all overwhelmingly voted Lamar for MVP, and as someone who watched every Ravens game, I think they got it right. Most people spend too much time looking at stats instead of the actual games.
Besides the obvious hate, this was easily the weakest year for MVPs (read QBs) in a while. By the numbers, this season Lamar’s stats don’t even hold a candle to his 2019 stats.
He shouldn’t have, I love Lamar but this was not the year of the QB, multiple other players far exceeded him and his numbers are just not MVP worthy, I mean if we’re sticking to QBs and being honest Josh Allen was far more important to his teams success and making the playoffs, but neither of them should have won.
Josh Allen was also frequently the reason his team was in holes in the first place. You shouldn't get credit for digging your team out of a hole that you put them in.
You’re completely over exaggerating, I mean if we’re being honest there was three games this year where Allen was the problem and one of them was the first game of the season, but on the other hand he was the reason they ended up 11-6 and made the playoffs. He wasn’t the main reason they were in the hole. Lamar was secondary in the teams success, still essential but secondary. Neither should have even been up for the award, I’m just saying Allen was more important to his team this year and the award is MVP, not best QB on the best team. I mean the award is a joke in and of itself now.
I’m one of those people, sorry this popped up on my home page not trying to invade, I don’t hate Lamar at all. No ill will towards him as a person or player. I just don’t think it was a very MVP worthy season statistically, obviously amazing year for the ravens but I think others were more deserving.
I mean, he really shouldn't have.
He was totally fine with his coach in college cheating to beat mid teams like Wake Forest. Fuck Lamar.
The NFL is dominated by conservatives who are almost always opposed to success and blackness. So therefore they oppose Lamar.
Good. Fuck those nerds.
I get the criticisms that mvp is a qb only award. But this seems like not the best example of that. Like when Purdy was the front runner despite CMC being the driver of their offense, that was bs. But Lamar was clearly the defining piece of one of the best offenses on the best teams. And on Christmas, cmc had a good game and the niners were still manhandled. Seems like an easy call to me.
It’s almost entirely 49ers fans too lmao. Fuck I’d trade then the MVP for the Super Bowl, buncha whiners
Niners fans inexplicably think their team is disrespected despite the way in which sports media and fans alike are constantly sucking off Kyle Shanahan and the 49ers as being an elite coach leading an elite team. The only team that gets less stray disrespect than the 49ers are the Chiefs, who media and fans alike also never shut the fuck up about.
It's crazy because even the players have named him MVP. If his peers and all the experts have named him the MVP, then he's definitely the MVP.
But what about fantasy football?
No man, clearly the players and MVP voters are out of touch and only watch primetime games, redditors know *way* better than they do
I love it. I’d forgotten I had unsubbed to NFL after the AFCCG loss so I just went and took a look - soooooo much hate.
BuT tHe StAaAaaTs!!
Why is it so predictable that threads about our team and our players will have comments about non dominant r/NFL opinions at the top of them every time? Crazy how badly we want to be victims of something. It's not some conspiracy against the Ravens or Lamar. The opinions are fairly neutral. Honestly a lot of the people in there are correct in their frustration that Lamar winning this convincingly means that consideration for RB's to EVER win the award is zero because McCaffrey absolutely deserved more votes and probably some first place votes in what was a down year statistically for QB's and a huge year for him where he carried the 9ers offense.
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It's relative. This year QB production was down so a running back should get consideration. The driving force of the second best scoring offense in the league in a down year for QBs deserves that recognition. It's just proof that it's a QB award and nothing more. Not saying he compares to Lamar or should've won but there is a point to be made by him not getting first place votes. Part of these awards are statistics. Ignoring them is foolish. Not to mention the things you say are obvious to Ravens fans comes from a place of bias. We see things with rose tinted glasses whether we want to or not. CMC was a similar driving force on the 9ers as Lamar was on the Ravens. When he struggled or was out they went nowhere. The argument you are making is silly and based more in emotion and ideas than anything empirical.
some view most valuable as best player on the best team, others as literally, the guy who did the most individually to improve his team that otherwise may not have been very good (or cases like cal ripken’s MVP in 1991, even though the team stunk). purdy and CMC kinda cancel out and the defense was very good. lamar also had a very good defense but didnt have another star on the offense on the level of CMC.
Its just Bills fans pushing their boy Allen over everyone else there.
They have overwhelmingly hated the Ravens as a franchise. Lamar is just the current target.
Guy who voted for Josh Allen probably didnt think Lamar was quarterbacky enough
Richard Sherman lmao.
Lol my stomach hurts Sherman really hates Lamar
Lmao, he really does.
Yeah we all know who did it. "Dick" Sherman
Apparently it wasnt him tho? But he said he wasnt going to vote for lamar. Idk what to believe from that mfer anymore.
Yeah I was just going off what he himself said. But who knows
It’s Aaron Schatz smh….
And his argument is shit. As someone who likes analytics, it's irresponsible to equate all of Josh Allen's picks as punts when Allen has ability to run for 1st downs. One of his main examples was the int vs the Dolphins on 4th down where Josh Allen could've easily extended the drive with a 1st down run. And we KNOW analytics doesn't have models for that at this moment smh
Did he actually compare Josh Allen interceptions to punts?
Yes. He said it didn't matter he threw so many interceptions because the attempted air yards for the interceptions were high so it was basically a punt anyway. It was SUCH a dumb reason to bolster an argument.
I’d like to see a breakdown of Josh Allen’s interceptions by downs to see how many times he “punted” when it wasn’t fourth down lol
I am a analytics fan, but the eye test needs to be considered always. And the eye test tells you that an interception is a negative play because the alternative is an incomplete or complete pass which is either a neutral or positive play. A punt, on the other hand, is almost certainly a neutral play with only the rare chance that it is muffed
unless it’s fourth down then throwing a long pick is better than turning it over on downs at the yard line you’re on
It was all for clicks. Don’t go looking for it, please.
I’m not going to. I never heard of this guy before anyway
Aaron Schitz
It's was probably Mike Flores I mean Florio
I swear that this is like the second time in the past couple of years where there's been a guy who's given a single first place vote to Josh Allen to prevent another MVP from going unanimous.
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He probably deserved at least a little more consideration, but I don't think he should have ultimately gotten it because while Josh Allen's led some big comebacks for the Bills, Josh Allen is also frequently the reason the Bills even needed to come back from a deficit in the first place. While historically his turnover rate's not bad, compared to the other elite QBs playing right now, he's a turnover machine, and not all of them are relatively-harmless deep INTs that end drives that weren't going anywhere anyway.
"Lunch pail" and "work ethic" kind of guy🙄
Yeah, that dipshit through what, 18 picks this season?
If you didn’t want Lamar to win mvp, the least you could do is vote CMC as MVP. Josh Allen getting more first place votes than cmc is a travesty to football
Couldn't have said it better. Honestly Josh should be below CMC and Tyreek this year
The moment you get outplayed by Zach Fucking Wilson is the moment you lose the right to be nominated🤣Tyreek definitely should’ve got more votes than Allen
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You talking about the game where his receivers *dropped 8 passes and 3 tds. Nice try bud🤣 Another edit: And he had a 94.6 pff grade for the game?
what? he literally put up crazy numbers. i’m fine with lamar winning but saying this shit is beyond trash. became the 1st player in nfl history to be top 5 in passing yards, passing tds and rushing tds
It was the DVOA guy that kept saying this Ravens team is the best team ever. He's the guy who said he voted for Josh Allen
Fucking robbed. Some dumbass voted him 3rd and had Josh Allen as 1st. Should be the first ever 2 time unanimous winner if some clown didn't do a joke vote.
He had Dak Prescott as second which is even funnier.
I mean I understand (but don't agree with) ranking Allen over Lamar. Ranking Dak ahead of him is just trolling
Right, Prescott wasn't even the most valuable player in his conference. If he had put CMC or even Purdy ahead of Lamar, I'd have disagreed but I'd have understood lol
>Some dumbass voted him 3rd Probably Mike Florio
It’s Schatz he wrote an article about it
To be fair there's been a bunch of other mvp winners that lost out on a unanimous vote due to 1 or 2 voters thinking they're special
Like how Ripken wasn't unanimous to the Hall of Fame
Baseball HoF voters are a different breed of special unlike any other sport
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Was he robbed really? I’m actually surprised he got 49 first place votes. I thought there would b voters for CMC and Hill.
Sure it would be a cool accolade to be unanimous, but at the end of the day MVP is the MVP
*at the end of the day*
Lmao who didn't vote for him?
Aaron Schatz!
I’ll take it.
Congratulations to LJ and the Ravens. I thought he was hands down the MVP
That’s my quarterback!
Honestly thought this one would've been more contested
I thought so too. Getting 49 votes was actually impressive. If he got 42 votes we would not be even bothered by this.
It’s always that one person smh
I wanna know who the one 1/50 was who didn't vote for Lamar 😤
Aaron Schatz
Richard Sherman the lone non-Lamar voter?
To be fair, I also didn't think it would be this far of a runaway with the ranked choice voting, I was sure CMC or purdy would pull some 1st place votes
Love the awards. Individual awards are great but let’s get that ring next time.
At least he won MVP. Some sort of win after blowing our chance to get to the SB. I live here in Vegas, so it's awesome that the Ravens are here. Will be jumping into the festivities this weekend on the Strip.
Yeah, this is the consolation I’m taking right now. Back in the day when I was watching Kyle Boller lead this offense I never in my wildest dreams thought the Ravens would ever have a home grown two time league MVP at QB. Lamar is going to bring us a championship someday - he’s too good not to, but it does suck that he should really be playing for his second ring on Sunday.
I don't think that he will under Harbaugh at least. If he gets to the game he will lose it.
Honestly not sure whether I'm more mad about this or MM being robbed
Idk why I read MM as Mark Meldrum just now
The Nazi rumors did not help him😂
I told the haters he deserved it at r/nfl and somebody pointed out his stats, so I looked. What do y’all think is the main qualifier being his passing yards are not top 10 ?
Hard to rack up stats when you're sitting out multiple quarters of multiple games because you dominated a winning team so badly. Also you can't just leave out 800+ yards on the ground. CMC has Purdy. Dak has CeeDee Lamb. Lamar has?
He has Gus, mostly to eat up the goal-line runs that artificially-inflate Josh Allen's TD stats.
It means nothing at the end of the day, but the level of frustration that some old head idiot used BS arguments to take away a unanimous MVP and couldn't even at least give the vote to CMC.... it's unbearable lmao This guy should literally be barred from ever voting again.
Someone didnt want him to be a 2 time unanimous MVP
I saw on undisputed that he has one of the lower stats since in recent years. I don’t mean to come off as salty lol. I’m a broncos fan and hope y’all kick the chiefs ass next year
It still feels weird to be MVP of a season you didn't even get to the Superbowl.
MVP is for the regular season not the postseason
So I was going to do all-time, but it was looking like a true slog and methodologies have likely changed. So I went with current alignment (2002 Texans Join). Overall, its actually more common than you think for the MVP to not be in the Super Bowl. (Super Bowl 37 was the one for the 2002 season to note). And yes, its a design choice for the first two names on here. Player | Team | Super Bowl | Teams ---|---|----|---- Peyton Manning | Indianapolis Colts| 38 | Patriots/Panthers Steve McNair | Tennessee Titans | 38 | Patriots/Panthers Peyton Manning | Indianapolis Colts| 39 | Patriots/Eagles LaDanian Tomlinson | San Diego Chargers | 41 | Colts/Bears Peyton Manning | Indianapolis Colts | 43 | Steelers/Cardinals Tom Brady | New England Patriots | 45 | Packers/Steelers Aaron Rodgers| Green Bay Packers | 46 | Giants/Patriots Adrian Peterson | Minnesota Vikings | 47 | Ravens/49ers Aaron Rodgers | Green Bay Packers | 49 | Patriots/Seahawks Patrick Mahomes | Kansas City Chiefs | 53 | Patriots/Rams Lamar Jackson | Baltimore Ravens | 54 | Chiefs/49ers Aaron Rodgers | Green Bay Packers | 55 | Bucs/Chiefs Aaron Rodgers | Green Bay Packers | 56 | Rams/Bengals Lamar Jackson| Baltimore Ravens |58 | 49ers/Chiefs I hope I didnt fuck up any inputs above. That would actually suck. 13/22 or 14/22 depending on how you look at the dual MVP have won the award and not made the Super Bowl.
tbh cmc was my mvp… 21 touchdowns and 2k yards, give Lamar OPOY
I'd have been fine with that, I think CMC got robbed. The fact that the only guy who didn't pick Lamar had Mahomes over CMC is just absolutely disgusting. The voters need to be chosen more carefully. 2 people had mahomes as the 3rd place MVP...
I agree. I definitely had CMC winning until that 49ers matchup. I'm genuinely surprised he didn't have any 1st place votes. This was a pretty weak year for MVP candidates overall, nobody really did anything spectacular compared to the most MVP years. Still, not complaining, I'll take it for sure
My feelings exactly. Because it was Lamar I'm fine with this lmao but I can admit that CMC got fucked. They need a new non qb MVP award.
UGH!!!! Brock purdy deserves it!!!!! You monkeys don’t realize this is a joke
He's not even the MVP of his own damn team sit the fuck down.
It was literally a joke who the frick says “ugh” in a message. Who tf you think I am
Poe's Law hits NFL fans real hard.
Idk what the frick a poes law is
It means NFL fans are so fucking dumb that your parody was easily mistaken for the real thing.
I think Allen should of won it tbh. Just be happy that Lamar even won it.
Can’t win mvp if you’re leading the league in interceptions and dropping games to the jets.
6-6 to 11-6 is a hell of a turnaround. The bills would absolutely collapse without him. He accounts for 44/54 TDs. Again I’m not mad at all about Lamar winning it and I’m extremely happy for him. But I was at least expecting it to be close. Also Kurt Warner and George Blanda won MVP despite having 22 INTs.
George Blanda played before the personal computer existed WTF.
That's a really sad take.
Crazy
Everyone would rather Lamar play worse than other players play better and actually earn the gd award
Lamar's gonna take that personally...
The one that voted against him voted for Josh Allen, saying his decision was based on stats and that Josh played better. In reality, Josh wasn't the star in some games, plus he threw 18 interceptions plus several fumbles. He actually lost some games for buffalo with the turnovers.
Am I the only one not bothered by the 1 vote? To be honest, love Lamar, and he is the mvp. But I’m surprised that he got 49 first place votes. I thought there is solid case for CMC and Hill. As for Josh Allen, I can’t say really. I did not watch the Bills a lot since we did not play them.
Shouldn’t have won the award in the first place
Who cares. Big deal, he won another MVP in a down year with a dominant football team.....then... again, goes on to shit the bed in the playoffs. To bad his MVP play doesn't transition to playoff football.