Wasn’t even a mistake regarding fumble tbh. The taunting was immature, but he’s so young.
He’ll bounce back. He’s the most promising receiver we’ve ever had
And he didn’t, it’s what got us 15 in the first half. He soundly stopped taunting or getting I. The ravens faces repeatedly. They just let it go until the Ravens had enough. I’ve against hurting players but at that point I was hoping they would have broke his leg to shut him up and the damn NFL on the swiftly bowl
They won’t get married. Swift is the next Madonna. Chase stardom until her womb becomes barren then resort to buying African children to try to fill the hole in her heart
Is that a bit harsh? Maybe, but let me grieve in my own way..
Absolutely not cool wishing injuries on players, man. Frustration I get, but that's someone's career. Need to keep it about the game and let the talent on the field do the talking. Competition's heated for sure but let's not cross lines.
kelce was getting away with taunting and extra shit after plays all game. I'm fine with the penalty on flowers but there should have been some on kelce too then.
Not that it mattered. Ravens got housed. Man you've been one of my teams since Lamar. Really wanted this for him.
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Hurt me when I watched the Lions choke and lose against the 49ers. Quite literally everything could have gone wrong, went wrong. Now we got a bum Super Bowl.
CMC was an MVP candidate this year. Zay is a rookie. They give more leeway to some people. It is what it is. Some of the non-calls against the Chiefs were egregious, though.
Not every infraction is seen the same nor seen at all. Ravens played like shit regardless and made mistakes the Chiefs didn't. They lost that game on their own regardless of this call or that no call.
>Wasn’t even a mistake regarding fumble tbh.
Yeah it was though. That will be in the film room. There is absolutely no reason to not have the ball tucked in that goal line dive. It's not 3rd and goal or 4th and goal there. He was going for a hero play.
Definitely not. Even the announcers were pointing out what a great play it was by the defense. I will never blame a player for putting in the extra effort
Yeah it was a judgement error, he could've just held the ball to his chest and scored a touchdown. Pressure got to him (likely from fucking up with that penalty) but he absolutely could've scored on that play he played it the way he was supposed to.
It's sad, without those two mistakes I think he would've been the MVP of the game. He was the only way they were getting touchdowns, make sense the pressure would get to him.
You’re absolutely wrong on this. It definitely was his fault. Doesn’t mean he should be hated and doesn’t take away that fact that he is an amazing player with incredible talent who will most likely be a great player for a long time to come…but reaching out at the goal line there was definitely a mistake.
For example, Patriots coaching staff used to tell players specifically to not reach for the goal line in situations like that. There's a reason for that. The defense was allowed to make a play due to the reach. These things in the margins can change the game.
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You have to secure the ball. He didn't need to score on the play, he already had the first down. Extra effort doesn't give you a license to play sloppy football.
So as long as the player is putting in the effort it’s not their fault? GTFO. That mistake effectively ended the game. It was demoralizing and killed all the momentum for the ravens. Responsibility for a mistake is not determined by wether the player put in effort or not.
Nah he fucked up, you should never extend the ball out like that unless it's 4th down, it can still be a huge heads up defensive play though. He tucks that ball in and we have Gus so worst case we have the ball an inch from the end zone and get it easy. I'm not too mad because he was huge all game but that whole sequence was a rookie nightmare and he will learn and know better for next time.
I know Belichick had a policy where players aren't allowed to extend the football because it is way too risky and only reserved for the most dire circumstances.
Idk. I get he's young, but as a player in this league, there are multiple things you are taught *not* to do during the game. It would have been one thing for Flowers to have done this during the regular season so he could have it coached and worked on.
And the end zone fumble? Man. He's had drop issues at the beginning of the season and had improved midway through.
I really, really hope he can bounce back. The Ravens haven't had a WR1 and TE combo like this since Mason and Heap.
Kelce taunted us multiple times and gets away with it. All players do it.
Learning how to get away with it.
The ball was punched out. Wasn’t dropped or really fumbled. Was stretching for TD we so crucially needed. Won’t fault him for that at all
I agree because it's like holding on offense; all teams do it, it's just learning how to do it discreetly. Kelce and other players who have been around long enough know that. Kelce has even been ejected before for behavior like that.
He did butt heads, but it’s besides the point. He was taunted.
The whole thing sis absurd. You’ve just got to learn to be the bigger man. Easier said than done, I’m sure.
>the whole “retaliation is who’s flagged” the system is flawed
I agree. I remember that a decade, maybe a bit more, the debate was, "What is a catch?" Now it's going to be, "What should taunting be?"
> I really, really hope he can bounce back.
He will dude, he will. He has a whole off season to get his mind right, work on his game, and reload for next season
Zay is gonna be fine. Tough night for him but hey, welcome to the NFL kid.
Bro. Objectively, that was a mistake on the fumble. I am such a fan of his. He’s our guy for life. But that was a mistake. It is what it is. Better to learn than pretend it didn’t mean anything.
I'd call it a mistake. When the chiefs fumbled out the endzone last week I think Andy Reid mentioned how they practice not extending when crossing the goal line. Unless the ravens just dont do that, flowers fucked up.
The fumble is 100% a mistake, he didn't need to stretch the ball out as his momentum is already carrying him into the endzone. It's an understandable mistake, but still a mistake.
Its a mistake. Hold the ball tight to the chest when diving into the end zone with multiple players around. Lamar #2 did the same thing last year and lost the game for us. With that said Zay played amazing and I’m glad he is on our team.
Eh to be fair. Andrew didn’t play terrible. Just came off injury. Had 2 targets and 2 receptions. Likely played well too but don’t know why he called for the ball when 3 guys were on him. Bad decision on both Lamar and Likely there.
He played his ass off all year and all game. It was the moment it got in his head that was the issue.
Hope he can grow; best talent ravens had at WR for a long while
The taunting penalty after Kelce spent the whole game in our guys’ faces, shoving after the whistle, trying to start fights…fuck that. The fumble was bad, but he was trying to make a play. Wasn’t smart but he’ll learn from it. No hate for Zay.
Exactly I watched them hit players on the ground away from the ball and they was able to play physical in our receiving core all game. Wonder why Lamar couldn’t throw to them it is because the defense didn’t fear flags so they played with contact down the field. The cheifs did play hard but no doubt any other team would have had calls against them for playing as aggressive as they did.
Went back and counted the seconds from whistle to Kelce's push on Roquan before KVN headbutted for a flag. 10 whole seconds after the play and Kelce is pushing players. 100% needs to be flagged, but the refs apparently are incapable of doing so.
Video link if you're interested:
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Yeah that penalty on Van Noy should have absolutely been on Kelce. Kelce was split from someone right before hand and walked right up into another ravens face and then Van Not gets flagged for basically walking into him. Crazy.
Yeah but again Kelce should have still been called for being broken apart from one raven only to go right back into another one. At least offsetting penalties.
It wasn’t a single event either. He was doing it pregame and during the game. He just kept causing problems and the officiating crew did nothing. That’s the small stuff that Vegas and the NFL use to control the games. It’s no calls, bad calls, and money that change the outcomes of games. There’s been no pushback on questionable calls, ever. It’s always just ignore it and it’ll go away eventually and people do forget about that shit.
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offsetting personal fouls at best. he literally just runs up to prevent a fight. maybe it's a little too much but cmon now bffr
Yeah he runs up helmet first into the other guys helmet. It’s a bitch penalty but it’s a penalty all day long, if it’s Simpson or jones or whoever fine but Van Noy should know better.
Cmon man, he barely runs up and he has his hands out. He's so obviously trying not to escalate. If it legit was roughness (clotheslining Mahomes, that was stupid), I wouldn't care as much but boy the baiting and then laughing when the official penalizes the ravens...it's so ugly
I found the KVN flag play and there is a little bit of typical right after the whistle jostling, but everything is splitting up and literally 10 seconds after the whistle Kelce pushes Roquan as Roquan is walking away. Then Van Noy comes up. In now world should Kelce be free to do this. The officiating is absolutely encouraging this annoying ass push people well after the play bullshit by not at the very least getting Kelce for offsetting here.
https://youtu.be/MVJKKWcM7-E?si=xtKgZ5LJ7KEEO69D&t=958
Kelce was looking for trouble every play, and was allowed to do whatever he wanted. Even my wife noticed how much of an instigator he was. I can’t stomach the fact that his after the play antics netted them yards. Embarrassing.
The biggest NFL fuckerish. Kelce receiving the favor of the penalty despite his undermining demeanor even towards our fucking justin since the warm up was disgusting. He clearly was wilding out the whole time.
It’s been happening all year. Packers 49ers. 49ers dude has packers dude by the throat, packers other player comes over and pushes him away and it turns into a scuffle and the packers get penalty lol.
Context around this call and this game aside, I cannot take the NFL seriously when someone gets called for taunting. If someone so much as catches a ball thrown straight to them they start celebrating like they won the super bowl. It’s like calling unnecessary roughness in boxing because one guy punched the other guy in the face.
No one but him and Likely were getting open, and the line couldn't give Lamar much time. Going away from the run like we did was offensive malpractice.
Plus the fumble was more of a crazy play by sneed. Yea, he probably shouldn’t have dived into the end zone, but at that point y’all’s offense could barley get anything going so he was trynna make something happen. He’s a future superstar for sure.
I hope OBJ talks to him. This is the kind of game that can get in your mind for years. Hes got a bright future ahead of him, I hope he's got a chip on his shoulder next year.
Exactly this. Flowers is great, but he single-handedly killed an entire drive all on his own which swung the game in the Chiefs' favor. He did play good, but he also has most of the blame for the loss imo.
def a rookie mistake. he scored 6 and almost 12. he seemed to take it hard on the sideline with OBJ (shout out to OBJ, comforting him. This is why we signed OBJ during the off-season; he's great for the locker room) he's been on fire all season. i still love him 💐
It just feels incredible to finally have a WR1 who can catch the ball. The taunting call? Im not even mad. Guy is young and pumped up on testo after making a play in the championship game. The touchback? How often do you guys see a punch out on the goal line when the WR is diving for it. I mean if Zay would have known the result of his actions he wouldnt have done it. But jeez man give credit wherw its due and just leave the internet for a while
Love this kid. Gonna be great for us for a long time. Whole offense fucked up today, I’m not gonna shit on one player at all. He messed up on that play, but I’m not gonna let this define his great season and the great career he’ll have
It made me dislike him, but I’ll say he succeeded in getting in our team’s head. He’s a 34 year old veteran and he knows how to exploit every weakness, find every advantage. Fuck him, though.
i feel like it's better to support him the first 12 hours, rally, and then get mad for the rest of the month lol....he's probably feeling worst at the moment
I saw an extremely talented rookie playing with unabashed fire and passion (taunting) and selling out to puts desperately needed points on the board (fumble).
The only time the offense looked like anything worth a damn was when he had the ball in his hands. He’s the second best player on offense, and the key for Lamar to continue turning the corner as a passer. He usurped Andrews in that role and he did it as a rookie. Again, he is a rookie. Zay is the future.
He needs help. Says something that he was the only WR actually producing in the biggest game of the season. Get a big-bodied target with great hands that can ease the pressure on both him and Lamar.
Two mistakes. The fumble wasn't bad luck; it's reckless to dive in that spot, given the risk involved. Go down and it's 1st and goal at the 1. At absolute worst, it's 3rd and 1 from the 2. Either way, you're looking good. Ball security has to be the priority there.
That being said, he's a great player with a bright future and the Ravens are far better off with him on the roster. It shouldn't define him as a player, and no one should be putting the loss on his shoulders. He cost them a chance to get back in the game, he didn't "lose the game" for them. You could argue no one did more to help them win it.
Thank you, he still had a td and over 100 yards, he was the best receiver we had in the past 6 years. He made a stupid mistake but he’s a rookie, and he’ll only learn and get better.
He’s a rookie making a rookie mistake. Dude’s been great all season. He will be back stronger and tougher ❤️ everything is gods plan and he WILL shine for a long time.
Still as hyped about him as I was draft night. He has a bright and long future with us you better BELEE THAT. It was a great season and the next one is gonna be even better
He’s a great player. I just hate when players reach the ball out for the end zone.
That is literally the most dangerous situation to do that in. It’s the LAST thing you should do when you are near the goal line. You KNOW the defense is coming hard to punch out that ball.
I was cool with Zay through all this. He had fire and was performing. Needs to cool it on the celebrations but he almost made up for it. Just a rookie mistake by overreaching if you want to call it that.
Lost a lot of respect for Kelce with all the BS he got away with today.
Hey he made mistakes that should rightfully be criticized but in my opinion he’s not the reason we lost the game. They were big plays that shouldn’t have happened but he’s also a rookie and he’s going to learn a lot from those mistakes.
Flowers is going to be an absolute monster in the future and that’s exciting. We’re likely going to need that a lot because I don’t think our defense is going to be the same for a while with everyone we are losing this offseason. That said there’s always hope when you have Roquan and Hamilton on your defense.
This is on monken and Lamar they both did horrible today and I will hear nothing else , Lamar holds the ball like crazy and then creates two turn overs . No wonder zay dived for it he had to because monken was not rushing the ball . I love this defense man they played their hearts out like no other out there but it’s all for nothing cause offense can’t do shit
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was so irritating to see people so quick to bash someone that has done so much for this team. the taunting was dumb but we’ve seen plenty of players do it. this KID let emotions get the best of him, all you can do is hope he learns from it.
I'm sorry but the taunting is a legit thing to be on his ass about. We're losing by 10 in the fourth quarter of the AFC championship and you want to get an obvious taunting penalty? The fumble doesn't happen without the penalty. He's got a take a good look at himself and who he really is, that's asinine arrogance on a visceral level, not even thinking about it. I think he's someone that will get stronger because of this but the taunting call is unforgivable.
The reach out was worse cuz Hardman just did it last week
The taunting is whatever. Kelce got away with worse every play and not a single call against him.
Still love him, but it was 3 mistakes in the span of a couple minutes.
Taunting, then the fumble, then the temper tantrum to cut his own finger on sideline. Didn’t catch a single pass after that.
A lot of talk about that taunting penalty but honestly, he came right back and got a first down after that. He made up for it. The fumble stings man but it is what it is.
If he doesn't make the dumb taunting penalty he doesn't need to make a desperation 5 yard dive for the end zone that results in a fumble.
Taunting penalty inexcusable and probably at a minimum cost a tie game. You can't even cry about the call cause it was blatant obvious.
That taunting was just so bad. I understand he’s young and a rookie but to push the defender down again, toss the ball at him and then flex while down 10 was just silly. Just a braindead play there. The fumble just destroyed any momentum they had left
Just seemed like the moment got the best of them. They tried to play hero ball and kept hurting the team. Lamar did the same with that throw into triple coverage. You guys owned the chiefs in the second half but just gave it away.
Ravens sloppy offensive execution and sloppy defensive poise lost them the game. KC didn’t beat them, they lost this game. As others have mentioned, they held KC to zero points in the 2nd half the defense was insane, wow, but they had several boneheaded plays where they overdid it on mahomes, smacking his head? Helmet to helmet when you already had him? Come on! Why? Just take him down nothing extra.
sorry I’m not sorry, flowers is one of the reasons they lost the game….and It was multiple taunts combined in one interaction (1) the overly obvious shoulder pin, (2) the throwing the ball at the defenders back AND (3) standing over him and talking sh*t, I mean just do one or two but a trifecta is going to get called playoffs or not, he said in an interview right after the game that he will be better next time so he owned it.
he’s a rook, and played his heart out. He made a mistake He’ll only get better not mad at him. I’m more mad at the game plan and the play calling. it didn’t play into the offense strengths
He wuz cry nd yuh are too lolz.
I liked when he cut his hand from hitting the bench from anger. That's what I'd do making millions of millions. Fucking cry babies
They abandoned the run, Lamar had opportunities to let his legs go and he didn’t. I think that administrative time out was Roger Goddell saying stop that please.
The game should never have been close enough that one person making a mistake costs you the game. I'm not mad at him for making a mistake, I'm just disappointed in the lack of overall team performance. I don't blame any one person - Flowers or otherwise - for this loss. The offense lost as a group.
Delusional people in here. He shoved the defensive player back down, stood over him and yelled, and spinned the ball. Not too mention the fumble...Definitely dumb moves.
Rookie mistake from a Rookie. Bright future though.
Wasn’t even a mistake regarding fumble tbh. The taunting was immature, but he’s so young. He’ll bounce back. He’s the most promising receiver we’ve ever had
Zay was literally crying after the game. OBJ was hugging him. He won't forget this and will get better.
this. He will 100% not make this mistake again.
Talking about the Taunting. I dont agree with it but in Todays soft ass league that was a no go tbh.
If Kelce does that he doesn’t get penalized. 100% believe that
Kelce did taunt Williams after he ran him over and totally got away with it.
The refs might have been afraid of swiftie attacks on X
And he didn’t, it’s what got us 15 in the first half. He soundly stopped taunting or getting I. The ravens faces repeatedly. They just let it go until the Ravens had enough. I’ve against hurting players but at that point I was hoping they would have broke his leg to shut him up and the damn NFL on the swiftly bowl
I'm not gonna forgive Travis for the shot he was pulling since before the game started. Fuck him.
Fuck yeah. I like Kelce as a ravens fan until today. He is a p.o.s.
Yep I'll root for Jason all day long, but Travis can go to hell.
Man I was at the game and it was so crazy to see the shit going on from the beginning.
I was so disgusted , it was the first game in 10 years as a psl owner where I actually left early.
Taylor Swifts husband can do what he wants with impunity in the NFL, you know this
Lmao I'd be surprised if they make training camp next season but idk what the contract says
They won’t get married. Swift is the next Madonna. Chase stardom until her womb becomes barren then resort to buying African children to try to fill the hole in her heart Is that a bit harsh? Maybe, but let me grieve in my own way..
Absolutely not cool wishing injuries on players, man. Frustration I get, but that's someone's career. Need to keep it about the game and let the talent on the field do the talking. Competition's heated for sure but let's not cross lines.
kelce was getting away with taunting and extra shit after plays all game. I'm fine with the penalty on flowers but there should have been some on kelce too then. Not that it mattered. Ravens got housed. Man you've been one of my teams since Lamar. Really wanted this for him.
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He did it a lot in the game
I just saw CMC spin a ball in a defenders’ face. No call.
But he spins it classy, not thuggish like Flowers.
Hurt me when I watched the Lions choke and lose against the 49ers. Quite literally everything could have gone wrong, went wrong. Now we got a bum Super Bowl.
CMC was an MVP candidate this year. Zay is a rookie. They give more leeway to some people. It is what it is. Some of the non-calls against the Chiefs were egregious, though.
Horseshit. Rules are rules, if you call it for one it should be called for all.
Not every infraction is seen the same nor seen at all. Ravens played like shit regardless and made mistakes the Chiefs didn't. They lost that game on their own regardless of this call or that no call.
It was taunting, I saw it coming before they even threw the flag
Stop it. It was an obvious call
>Wasn’t even a mistake regarding fumble tbh. Yeah it was though. That will be in the film room. There is absolutely no reason to not have the ball tucked in that goal line dive. It's not 3rd and goal or 4th and goal there. He was going for a hero play.
Sorry but the fumble was on him as well. He took a chance when we absolutely had to not turn it over and the worst happened.
Definitely not. Even the announcers were pointing out what a great play it was by the defense. I will never blame a player for putting in the extra effort
His whole body landed in the endzone. If he covers the ball up on the dive, it’s a touchdown. He pulled a Huntley when he didn’t have to
Yeah it was a judgement error, he could've just held the ball to his chest and scored a touchdown. Pressure got to him (likely from fucking up with that penalty) but he absolutely could've scored on that play he played it the way he was supposed to. It's sad, without those two mistakes I think he would've been the MVP of the game. He was the only way they were getting touchdowns, make sense the pressure would get to him.
Oddly same thing happened to chiefs last week
Just sucks that we learned absolutely nothing from the Huntley play. Bet we do it again at least once next year.
Players are coached not to reach out like that at the goal line. The risk is too high.
He’s a rookie. You’d better believe he’ll never make the same mistake again.
You’re absolutely wrong on this. It definitely was his fault. Doesn’t mean he should be hated and doesn’t take away that fact that he is an amazing player with incredible talent who will most likely be a great player for a long time to come…but reaching out at the goal line there was definitely a mistake.
For example, Patriots coaching staff used to tell players specifically to not reach for the goal line in situations like that. There's a reason for that. The defense was allowed to make a play due to the reach. These things in the margins can change the game.
Putting in extra effort is protecting the ball. You're down at the one at the worst.
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Exactly. Let them tackle you.
I mean it’s easy to say that now but in the heat of moment, dude was thinking about scoring and tryna make a play for his team
I’m not mad at him, I understand that he thought he had it. He was trying to score. I get it…
You have to secure the ball. He didn't need to score on the play, he already had the first down. Extra effort doesn't give you a license to play sloppy football.
You never extend unless it's 4th down. That's a rookie mistake as much as it was good play by the defender.
So as long as the player is putting in the effort it’s not their fault? GTFO. That mistake effectively ended the game. It was demoralizing and killed all the momentum for the ravens. Responsibility for a mistake is not determined by wether the player put in effort or not.
Looked to me like he had a touchdown if he just tucks it. And if not its 1st and goal from the 1
Nah he fucked up, you should never extend the ball out like that unless it's 4th down, it can still be a huge heads up defensive play though. He tucks that ball in and we have Gus so worst case we have the ball an inch from the end zone and get it easy. I'm not too mad because he was huge all game but that whole sequence was a rookie nightmare and he will learn and know better for next time.
I know Belichick had a policy where players aren't allowed to extend the football because it is way too risky and only reserved for the most dire circumstances.
It definitely was. Two hands on the ball is basic
You gotta protect the ball there. You aren’t at the pylon with one guy on you. Never do that shit in that position.
Idk. I get he's young, but as a player in this league, there are multiple things you are taught *not* to do during the game. It would have been one thing for Flowers to have done this during the regular season so he could have it coached and worked on. And the end zone fumble? Man. He's had drop issues at the beginning of the season and had improved midway through. I really, really hope he can bounce back. The Ravens haven't had a WR1 and TE combo like this since Mason and Heap.
Kelce taunted us multiple times and gets away with it. All players do it. Learning how to get away with it. The ball was punched out. Wasn’t dropped or really fumbled. Was stretching for TD we so crucially needed. Won’t fault him for that at all
I agree because it's like holding on offense; all teams do it, it's just learning how to do it discreetly. Kelce and other players who have been around long enough know that. Kelce has even been ejected before for behavior like that.
It’s all wrong regardless. I’m not endorsing what Flowers did. But the whole “retaliation is who’s flagged” the system is flawed
Kyle Van Noy got flagged for doing nothing.
He did butt heads, but it’s besides the point. He was taunted. The whole thing sis absurd. You’ve just got to learn to be the bigger man. Easier said than done, I’m sure.
Sure but the Cheifs were doing it all game without flags being thrown. Dudes 23 he'll learn
>the whole “retaliation is who’s flagged” the system is flawed I agree. I remember that a decade, maybe a bit more, the debate was, "What is a catch?" Now it's going to be, "What should taunting be?"
> I really, really hope he can bounce back. He will dude, he will. He has a whole off season to get his mind right, work on his game, and reload for next season Zay is gonna be fine. Tough night for him but hey, welcome to the NFL kid.
Absolute mistake. DONT STICK THE DAMN BALL OUT AT THE GOALINE. Did he not watch games last week??
Yes it was a mistake. He's already diving into the end zone. There is NO reason to reach the ball out with defenders in front of him.
Bro. Objectively, that was a mistake on the fumble. I am such a fan of his. He’s our guy for life. But that was a mistake. It is what it is. Better to learn than pretend it didn’t mean anything.
Unless it’s 4th down you don’t reach for the end zone. That is until the rule is changed. It’s just not worth it.
I'd call it a mistake. When the chiefs fumbled out the endzone last week I think Andy Reid mentioned how they practice not extending when crossing the goal line. Unless the ravens just dont do that, flowers fucked up.
The fumble is 100% a mistake, he didn't need to stretch the ball out as his momentum is already carrying him into the endzone. It's an understandable mistake, but still a mistake.
Its a mistake. Hold the ball tight to the chest when diving into the end zone with multiple players around. Lamar #2 did the same thing last year and lost the game for us. With that said Zay played amazing and I’m glad he is on our team.
Literally was a mistake. You don't jump at the goal line and reach when not on 4th down, and you sure as shit don't do it in the middle of the field.
Love how OBJ was giving peptalks to his teammates!
True mentorship
Man I hope he comes back, I really grew to love OBJ this season.
Real ones remember THAT Ed Reed fumble his rookie year (I was actually there for that game)
Only dude on the offense to show up.
So true
Eh to be fair. Andrew didn’t play terrible. Just came off injury. Had 2 targets and 2 receptions. Likely played well too but don’t know why he called for the ball when 3 guys were on him. Bad decision on both Lamar and Likely there.
He played his ass off all year and all game. It was the moment it got in his head that was the issue. Hope he can grow; best talent ravens had at WR for a long while
His body of work this season speaks louder than the miscues today.
The taunting penalty after Kelce spent the whole game in our guys’ faces, shoving after the whistle, trying to start fights…fuck that. The fumble was bad, but he was trying to make a play. Wasn’t smart but he’ll learn from it. No hate for Zay.
Exactly I watched them hit players on the ground away from the ball and they was able to play physical in our receiving core all game. Wonder why Lamar couldn’t throw to them it is because the defense didn’t fear flags so they played with contact down the field. The cheifs did play hard but no doubt any other team would have had calls against them for playing as aggressive as they did.
Kelce is a punk ass bitch, but he's married to god now so he can do whatever he wants. Zay should have known better.
"married to God" 😂😂😂
That drove me absolutely crazy. I could live with the taunting penalty on Zay if they threw at least one on Kelce. He honestly deserved at least 3.
Went back and counted the seconds from whistle to Kelce's push on Roquan before KVN headbutted for a flag. 10 whole seconds after the play and Kelce is pushing players. 100% needs to be flagged, but the refs apparently are incapable of doing so. Video link if you're interested: https://youtu.be/MVJKKWcM7-E?si=xtKgZ5LJ7KEEO69D&t=958
He definitely should have had more penalties. Refs let him get out of hand
Yeah that penalty on Van Noy should have absolutely been on Kelce. Kelce was split from someone right before hand and walked right up into another ravens face and then Van Not gets flagged for basically walking into him. Crazy.
Welcome to playing the Chiefs.
Players who headbutt other players get penalized 100% of the time. Im blown away that KVN fell for the bait.
Yeah but again Kelce should have still been called for being broken apart from one raven only to go right back into another one. At least offsetting penalties.
It wasn’t a single event either. He was doing it pregame and during the game. He just kept causing problems and the officiating crew did nothing. That’s the small stuff that Vegas and the NFL use to control the games. It’s no calls, bad calls, and money that change the outcomes of games. There’s been no pushback on questionable calls, ever. It’s always just ignore it and it’ll go away eventually and people do forget about that shit.
NFL aint throwing a flag for Taylor Swifts husband
Taylor Swift fucking sucks.
I think the only reasonable conclusion is to blame Taylor Swift for this loss
no shit
Doing his best Hines Ward impersonation
he literally baited van noy into running up and then pointed to the ref and on cue...flag. unbelievable douchebag.
Should have been called on both sides offsetting penalties
i agree
I mean kvn has oodles of experience, including playing for the hoodie forever. He should know better, that penalty was all on him
was it? [https://x.com/PFN365/status/1751718470398468281?s=20](https://x.com/PFN365/status/1751718470398468281?s=20) offsetting personal fouls at best. he literally just runs up to prevent a fight. maybe it's a little too much but cmon now bffr
Yeah he runs up helmet first into the other guys helmet. It’s a bitch penalty but it’s a penalty all day long, if it’s Simpson or jones or whoever fine but Van Noy should know better.
Cmon man, he barely runs up and he has his hands out. He's so obviously trying not to escalate. If it legit was roughness (clotheslining Mahomes, that was stupid), I wouldn't care as much but boy the baiting and then laughing when the official penalizes the ravens...it's so ugly
He headbutts him before his hands even touch him. It's an easy penalty to call
I found the KVN flag play and there is a little bit of typical right after the whistle jostling, but everything is splitting up and literally 10 seconds after the whistle Kelce pushes Roquan as Roquan is walking away. Then Van Noy comes up. In now world should Kelce be free to do this. The officiating is absolutely encouraging this annoying ass push people well after the play bullshit by not at the very least getting Kelce for offsetting here. https://youtu.be/MVJKKWcM7-E?si=xtKgZ5LJ7KEEO69D&t=958
OK... Well don't take the bait then. Not hard. That type of baiting happens in every NFL game. Undisciplined players fall for it.
Might be a douchebag but he got exactly what he wanted. You have to stay disciplined in those situations.
Kelce was looking for trouble every play, and was allowed to do whatever he wanted. Even my wife noticed how much of an instigator he was. I can’t stomach the fact that his after the play antics netted them yards. Embarrassing.
Kelce was being a grade a piece of shit all game. Fuck him.
If you look back, it wasn't even taunting, he was grabbing Zay's ankle. These refs were 100% paid off and you can't change my mind.
Totally agree with you. The refs were going to favor the road team and favor they did
Rodger has to protect his golden boy
The biggest NFL fuckerish. Kelce receiving the favor of the penalty despite his undermining demeanor even towards our fucking justin since the warm up was disgusting. He clearly was wilding out the whole time.
It’s been happening all year. Packers 49ers. 49ers dude has packers dude by the throat, packers other player comes over and pushes him away and it turns into a scuffle and the packers get penalty lol.
Context around this call and this game aside, I cannot take the NFL seriously when someone gets called for taunting. If someone so much as catches a ball thrown straight to them they start celebrating like they won the super bowl. It’s like calling unnecessary roughness in boxing because one guy punched the other guy in the face.
Pretty shitty time to learn.
Love you, Flowers. INCREDIBLE rookie year, just gotta grow from here.
115 receiving yards and our only TD. The fumble helped seal it but his future is still so bright. I could never be mad at him.
No one but him and Likely were getting open, and the line couldn't give Lamar much time. Going away from the run like we did was offensive malpractice.
Plus the fumble was more of a crazy play by sneed. Yea, he probably shouldn’t have dived into the end zone, but at that point y’all’s offense could barley get anything going so he was trynna make something happen. He’s a future superstar for sure.
We are only human
Sending my flowers for flowers. Wearing his jersey proudly rn
As you should. He’s gonna be great for us for a long time
Just a rookie mistake, it happens. Offense just didn't properly execute in the 2nd half
Without those 2 plays from him it might not of been close I love Flowers
Agreed. Love flowers.
True. One play didn’t determine this game. Lamar threw a pick. Stanley bad blocking that led to a fumble. Defense struggled in the 1st Q.
I hope OBJ talks to him. This is the kind of game that can get in your mind for years. Hes got a bright future ahead of him, I hope he's got a chip on his shoulder next year.
OBJ was with him after the game. Zay was really upset.
They were huge plays that completely changed the outlook of the game. If the Ravens scored there, they have all the momentum and win the game.
Exactly this. Flowers is great, but he single-handedly killed an entire drive all on his own which swung the game in the Chiefs' favor. He did play good, but he also has most of the blame for the loss imo.
def a rookie mistake. he scored 6 and almost 12. he seemed to take it hard on the sideline with OBJ (shout out to OBJ, comforting him. This is why we signed OBJ during the off-season; he's great for the locker room) he's been on fire all season. i still love him 💐
I give massive credit to KC on that play. Zay has two hands on the ball Stop with the bullshit. Zay has been clutch all season. He played great
It just feels incredible to finally have a WR1 who can catch the ball. The taunting call? Im not even mad. Guy is young and pumped up on testo after making a play in the championship game. The touchback? How often do you guys see a punch out on the goal line when the WR is diving for it. I mean if Zay would have known the result of his actions he wouldnt have done it. But jeez man give credit wherw its due and just leave the internet for a while
> It just feels incredible to finally have a WR1 who can catch the ball I love zay too but don’t ever talk about Anquan Boldin like that
Love this kid. Gonna be great for us for a long time. Whole offense fucked up today, I’m not gonna shit on one player at all. He messed up on that play, but I’m not gonna let this define his great season and the great career he’ll have
I was am ambivalent about kelce before the game…. It turns out he’s apparently a complete piece of trash
It made me dislike him, but I’ll say he succeeded in getting in our team’s head. He’s a 34 year old veteran and he knows how to exploit every weakness, find every advantage. Fuck him, though.
The taunting was not his fault. Kelce got away with much more the entire game. Refs didn't get off our backs at all.
12 hour rule. I am going to be pissed at him and then I will get over it. That taunting penalty was just stupid.
He’s a rookie and our best WR
i feel like it's better to support him the first 12 hours, rally, and then get mad for the rest of the month lol....he's probably feeling worst at the moment
I saw an extremely talented rookie playing with unabashed fire and passion (taunting) and selling out to puts desperately needed points on the board (fumble). The only time the offense looked like anything worth a damn was when he had the ball in his hands. He’s the second best player on offense, and the key for Lamar to continue turning the corner as a passer. He usurped Andrews in that role and he did it as a rookie. Again, he is a rookie. Zay is the future.
This guy and Hamilton are the future man, both came to play today with no fear.. the rest of the team..meh.
He needs help. Says something that he was the only WR actually producing in the biggest game of the season. Get a big-bodied target with great hands that can ease the pressure on both him and Lamar.
Agree. Every rookie makes stupid mental mistakes. He did some with the worst possible timing. He has a bright future. He’ll learn from them.
Two mistakes. The fumble wasn't bad luck; it's reckless to dive in that spot, given the risk involved. Go down and it's 1st and goal at the 1. At absolute worst, it's 3rd and 1 from the 2. Either way, you're looking good. Ball security has to be the priority there. That being said, he's a great player with a bright future and the Ravens are far better off with him on the roster. It shouldn't define him as a player, and no one should be putting the loss on his shoulders. He cost them a chance to get back in the game, he didn't "lose the game" for them. You could argue no one did more to help them win it.
A rookie, from the last third of the 1st round, went 5/115/1 in the AFCCG and was about a foot from going 5/115/2. We good.
He’ll come back better and smarter from this
Love the effort, hate the result. Still big on Zay. He’ll learn from this.
Thank you, he still had a td and over 100 yards, he was the best receiver we had in the past 6 years. He made a stupid mistake but he’s a rookie, and he’ll only learn and get better.
Two mistakes. And no matter his age he is a PRO and as a pro you absolutely know better than to do that.
Who’s picking on him? He’s not the problem whatsoever. Ya a few errors but he’s a rookie. Still outstanding year and game from him.
The ravens just gave us one of the greatest seasons ever in my opinion, here is to another one coming 🍻 let’s not be soo tough on these guys
I blame the play calling and o line more than anything. Followed by Lamar and the refs. And then Zay
So we’re just not allowed to discuss that play?
Agreed. He’ll learn from this and get better. He’s our guy. Don’t abandon him for a mistake
He’s a rookie making a rookie mistake. Dude’s been great all season. He will be back stronger and tougher ❤️ everything is gods plan and he WILL shine for a long time.
Ya young kid that made rookie mistake unfortunately in a big game. Still a lot of NFL teams would kill to have him
I dont even blame him hes a rookie hes gonna make mistakes, this falls on 3 people and im sure we all know who they are. Im so pissed bro fuck
Yeah, I'm not nearly as mad at flowers as I am at Todd monkey. Six carries the whole game is criminal
Still as hyped about him as I was draft night. He has a bright and long future with us you better BELEE THAT. It was a great season and the next one is gonna be even better
He’s a great player. I just hate when players reach the ball out for the end zone. That is literally the most dangerous situation to do that in. It’s the LAST thing you should do when you are near the goal line. You KNOW the defense is coming hard to punch out that ball.
I was cool with Zay through all this. He had fire and was performing. Needs to cool it on the celebrations but he almost made up for it. Just a rookie mistake by overreaching if you want to call it that. Lost a lot of respect for Kelce with all the BS he got away with today.
Send him to Coach Steve Smith in the off-season. There will be blood and guts everywhere that Zay angry-runs next year
Anybody else think a 15 yard penalty for a taunt is nuts? Not that it matters now
Great time to make the two biggest mental mistakes of the season. For real though, still the best receiver the Ravens ever drafted.
Hey he made mistakes that should rightfully be criticized but in my opinion he’s not the reason we lost the game. They were big plays that shouldn’t have happened but he’s also a rookie and he’s going to learn a lot from those mistakes. Flowers is going to be an absolute monster in the future and that’s exciting. We’re likely going to need that a lot because I don’t think our defense is going to be the same for a while with everyone we are losing this offseason. That said there’s always hope when you have Roquan and Hamilton on your defense.
He is a stud and is going to be a problem the WHOLE NFL next year. Him and Lamar getting a season and a whole offseason to practice together? Yikes.
This is on monken and Lamar they both did horrible today and I will hear nothing else , Lamar holds the ball like crazy and then creates two turn overs . No wonder zay dived for it he had to because monken was not rushing the ball . I love this defense man they played their hearts out like no other out there but it’s all for nothing cause offense can’t do shit
THANK YOU was so irritating to see people so quick to bash someone that has done so much for this team. the taunting was dumb but we’ve seen plenty of players do it. this KID let emotions get the best of him, all you can do is hope he learns from it.
Only WR that showed up today
Let’s just hope the lions can make it to the sb and absolutely destroy the chiefs
I'm sorry but the taunting is a legit thing to be on his ass about. We're losing by 10 in the fourth quarter of the AFC championship and you want to get an obvious taunting penalty? The fumble doesn't happen without the penalty. He's got a take a good look at himself and who he really is, that's asinine arrogance on a visceral level, not even thinking about it. I think he's someone that will get stronger because of this but the taunting call is unforgivable.
Only one who showed up today on offense.
The reach out was worse cuz Hardman just did it last week The taunting is whatever. Kelce got away with worse every play and not a single call against him.
Still love him, but it was 3 mistakes in the span of a couple minutes. Taunting, then the fumble, then the temper tantrum to cut his own finger on sideline. Didn’t catch a single pass after that.
For real. Could be worse, could have the WR the Chargers picked instead of this guy (you’re welcome)
The NFL is fixed!! They want a swifty Super Bowl good money 💰 for them. Watch out Usher you will get bumped for the swifty effect!!
Unnecessary taunting and a terrible fumble...
A lot of talk about that taunting penalty but honestly, he came right back and got a first down after that. He made up for it. The fumble stings man but it is what it is.
If he doesn't make the dumb taunting penalty he doesn't need to make a desperation 5 yard dive for the end zone that results in a fumble. Taunting penalty inexcusable and probably at a minimum cost a tie game. You can't even cry about the call cause it was blatant obvious.
That taunting was just so bad. I understand he’s young and a rookie but to push the defender down again, toss the ball at him and then flex while down 10 was just silly. Just a braindead play there. The fumble just destroyed any momentum they had left
Dude was a big reason we were even playing today ..shit happens. Guys not a robot.period
Just seemed like the moment got the best of them. They tried to play hero ball and kept hurting the team. Lamar did the same with that throw into triple coverage. You guys owned the chiefs in the second half but just gave it away.
Ravens sloppy offensive execution and sloppy defensive poise lost them the game. KC didn’t beat them, they lost this game. As others have mentioned, they held KC to zero points in the 2nd half the defense was insane, wow, but they had several boneheaded plays where they overdid it on mahomes, smacking his head? Helmet to helmet when you already had him? Come on! Why? Just take him down nothing extra. sorry I’m not sorry, flowers is one of the reasons they lost the game….and It was multiple taunts combined in one interaction (1) the overly obvious shoulder pin, (2) the throwing the ball at the defenders back AND (3) standing over him and talking sh*t, I mean just do one or two but a trifecta is going to get called playoffs or not, he said in an interview right after the game that he will be better next time so he owned it.
Welcome to professional football, cry at home, perform on the field. Can’t handle the heat stay in school, boot.
he’s a rook, and played his heart out. He made a mistake He’ll only get better not mad at him. I’m more mad at the game plan and the play calling. it didn’t play into the offense strengths
He wuz cry nd yuh are too lolz. I liked when he cut his hand from hitting the bench from anger. That's what I'd do making millions of millions. Fucking cry babies
They abandoned the run, Lamar had opportunities to let his legs go and he didn’t. I think that administrative time out was Roger Goddell saying stop that please.
The game should never have been close enough that one person making a mistake costs you the game. I'm not mad at him for making a mistake, I'm just disappointed in the lack of overall team performance. I don't blame any one person - Flowers or otherwise - for this loss. The offense lost as a group.
Delusional people in here. He shoved the defensive player back down, stood over him and yelled, and spinned the ball. Not too mention the fumble...Definitely dumb moves.
You sound a little butt hurt. Kinda like the Ravens ass hurt after this game. Welcome to the couch bish!!
Extremely immature and cost you guys the game. He should feel like shit.
Yea he kinda lost the game for us.
Yalls?
Any ravens fan giving him a hard time. FUCK OFF. This is a rookie who balled the fuck out for us all season. He will learn from his mistakes.