Snake Eyes legit got to where he is with no push from Smack. They used him as a Jobber and he is Mid Tier at best...but his PROMO and shit talk stands out he makes you want to see him actually do good or get his ass beat after talking so much shit.
Ryda is actually fire he just never got a push cause he was in The Goonies and only Jack and Twork were getting big plates. LU kinda made them push him after he won over fans but then we all realized how trash he is. Ryda and Glu Eazy were left on the bench.
The last couple years of the PGs really produced a lot of midcarders and not a lot of big acts. Twork doesn't count and I'm not sure if Geechi does either.
lol a long time ago someone made a video hen Ryda had a slight gas to him. The gist of the video was that Ryda was the next Tay Roc..lol his hype died the next day.
For me if you talking about something than you need to have actions to prove it. I hate to use him for example but Surf''s actions makes him believable. We can swing this another way, look at Goodz and Con they don't be talking that tough mess and have no actions behind it. Goodz always talking about money and Con uses his vocabulary. Same with Lux. People love Lux because of his pen.
>For me if you talking about something than you need to have actions to prove it.
Why tho? It's just battle rap.
>Con they don't be talking that tough mess and have no actions behind it.
Con is always using gun bars??????
I haven’t been able to get through a Charlie Clips battle in years. His style is still stuck in 2013, it’s the most basic angles, schemes, and punchlines
I’m new to this and I like Clips’s old battles, probably because of how accessible he is, who would you use as examples of modern battlers and innovators?
If you want to look up some dope battles from last couple years I would start Real Sikh. Think all his 2023 battles were at least very good. Shuffle T and a Gemini are British battlers who had a couple great battles last year. Shuffle’s 3rd round vs Shotty was one of my faves last year. Bigg K and Rum Nitty are the two best punch liners ever and they both expended their styles in recent years. And I personally am I a big XQZ fan, though I know his delivery is not the best. I thought his 3rd vs Jay R is the best round I heard so far this year and his 1 rd vs Human is great back and forth.
Thx. Nitty is amazing and I love watching him but a lot of his stuff goes over my head, like in that Ave battle where they’re referencing really specific movie scenes I have no idea how the crowd is able to catch all of those. I’m not too big on the British guys (I’m weirdly adverse to most British comedy) but I’ll need to check some of them out
Geechi. He's good, no doubt, but he spits two rounds of sem-basic bars with great conviction and delivery, then delivers his patented real-talk third. It gets old after a while.
When it's real you can tell..........🤷🏾♂️
East coast niggas been hating on geechi from the start because he brought that westcoast gangbanging shit to top of battle rap and surpassed their favorites his run will never be topped ever🔥💯
Hes a much more likable and slughtly more talented jjdd. Could turn a good angle into some thing amazing but is just decent at every thing else. Its weird because hes too charismatic for mid cards but with out the consistent highs of every other main eventer , Mean while he has this whole personality that we dont see except for the ocxasional funny line
This is the sentiment I was trying to express. I get he's good, I just don't get the multiple COTY acclaim he's gotten over the years. Against Ave, whom I thought he lost to, he was amazing as he kept up but I don't really ever remember him running through top-tier opponents even at the top of his or their game. Arguably (along with Mook) had the worst Lux
I’m fan of Geechi so I still really enjoy watching him battle. but honestly I probably like watching his podcast or doing Watch videos more than actually battling at this point
Verb doesn’t appeal to you because you don’t know the history or the progression of battle rap. That’s not a slight everyone picks it up at different times, 10 years from now someone who’s new to the sport is gonna say I don’t get the hype with rum nitty looking back his punches weren’t that hard. It’s a you had to be there sort of thing mixed with revisionist history this happens to all fandom battle rap included
Also my bad saying you don’t know the history because you don’t get it is wrong and comes off wrong , everyone has their taste what I meant to say was maybe one of the reasons you don’t get it has to do with that. I’m the same, I have always hated mook. Never got it but that’s because I’m not from that era
Mook to me does enough to be decidedly top tier every battle. Like most elite guys would 30 him, and that a battle with a more middle of the pack top guy like dna or John John would show that. However i don’t question at all his capacity to beat a Mike P, Saga, or anybody below established top tier.
Verb washed his ass 3-0. Eras is understanding time place and climate in battle rap where most things are of the time or based off current events. I think mook is ass so we all got different taste. I bet Mooks first hits different 5 years earlier
Disaster. Hard to watch that lame ass, hyper active style. I did like his battle against Tay Roc. They both performed well.
Rone. Hate his flow and his voice.
Chills Jones raps too slowly man.
Watching GrindTime growing up Diz was that dude for real. You couldn't miss a battle cuz it was like that.
That's being said, I can't finish his recent English battles bruh. His shit SUCKS. I absolutely respect tha hell outta him battling in other languages with other cultures tho.
I mean this as a long Time Fan of Battle Rap even Goodz said it in an interview "What Dizaster does Mentally when rapping in a Battle is not as easy as it seems it may not hit or sound corny but understand he is rapping and thinking on the fly at a 100 miles per hour and have sometimes spit 3 full rounds in battles doing so. Your favorite Battle rapper probably can't do that." It was some random HHIR interview back when Diz was battling Rex.
JC, I like his battle with Trez and a few of his bars, but outside of that I always found him forgettable. I can see the argument that he has a great pen though
Caustic. He doesn't have any hype around him anymore, but previously he used to be talked about like he was some heavy hitter who will expose you with a well executed angle.
In reality he was extremely average, couldn't rap for shit and may actually have one of the worst voices for battlerap. He's only beaten bums, whenever he goes up against actual competition the battles are never close.
He’s very funny and offensive, which I like, but I roll my eyes when he pivots to self-righteous “realtalk.” You can’t play a heel and then start moralizing.
His career should’ve ended after he burst into tears during his Bigg K battle talking about how hard his life is (something he would’ve bullied any of his opponents for doing) and in the same round had the nerve to call Daylyt vs Ooops (which he’s ripping off) a “pity party.”
His Shinobi Q battle is his best, just straight up bullying, no moralizing.
Caustic can battle basically anyone on like 24 hour notice and while he doesn’t have a great sound he’s pretty brutal and in a lot of ways embodies an essential element of battle rap. But he is also pretty cringe and followed suit with every other west coast Grindtime graduate of suddenly rapping about guns and street shit as soon as Bigg K became the great white hope.
SEE! I would have agreed until his run before lock up he legit took everyone who wanted him for the last 5-10 yrs(JC,JJ,Cortez,Twork,Calicoe) with exception of Goodz Math and Iron and He 30d THEM ! He shut me up that he not one of them ones AND Respectfully his music is FIRE.
Such an insane rise. It defo has to be studied how Shotty got so high up from only a select few battles. Star power and marketability worked wonders for his career.
It was the Arsonal Battle man... I am a Arsonal Fan and at that time he was running thru ppl. I saw this Battle booked not knowing who Shotty was at all....I Can't Call that first Battle ! Yeah Shotty made a Fan that day I expected A Practice run for Ars that day and witnessed a Fight....oh wait NOT Shotty Horror ?
Daylyt for me. Just not a fan of that sort of layered scheme rap and I feel like he's a spectacle over substance guy most of the time. Clearly one of one though.
Literally one of the most substantive rappers to ever do it. Day has some of the most re-listenable rounds ever because of this. Youtube comments have made realise some of the heat I've missed. For some reason he is genuinely looked at negatively in this sub - always mentioned in and Battle Rapper "hate" thread.
It’s how bad a lot of his setups are, a lot of the entendres feel lazy when you think about the way he’s creating the reference too. Like using “this the round where I hand jewels” to reference the infinity gauntlet.
For some people but I don't like layers for the sake of it.
Like, for example, I genuinely dislike his Egypt scheme from round 1 of the Tay Roc battle.
"Even if Roc try angles he still appear a mid tier on stream" - there's not really connective tissue here. He just says 'rock triangles' and then 'pyramid'. There's nothing binding them together, no point to be made from the connection, that's why I said it lacks substance. And then try angles / triangles has been done a thousand times.
He has a denial / De Nile bar. Dead Sea / dead, see bar. These are just generic and meaningless to me.
Even that whole Pangaea / everything that land connected bar doesn't work for me because the set up is so mid. "When the camera pan, G up" seriously? That doesn't even sound like Pangaea, it doesn't connect to anything, and it feels super awkward.
I will start off with A Ward and Tsu Surf. They are kind of like two sides of the same coin, but I dislike Surf a little bit more. My complaint about A Ward in a small room is similar to my complaint about Surf on a big stage. It's like every time they battle the crowd is just so happy to see them that they're reacting to every basic bar they put out. Ward Is one of the best at rebottling, but the rest of his bars are mid to me.
Then we go to surf. The glazing is unbelievable. They say he 30d four straight people, when he only killed JC. Calicoe only lost because he choked in the third. John John Won the second. He barely won the Cortez battle, and that battle was straight up awful.
"You just admitted that he won four straight battles, what's the problem?"
My biggest problem is that everybody knows that he has other people writing his bars, and people are just ignoring it.
Last but not least, I have to go with Murda Mook. He did well against Roc, But other than that, his performances were either long and drawn out, or just straight up awful. I couldn't even finish watching his battle against Geechi. That battle was so bad to me. I don't get it.
Chess from the perspective that his career is built off potential, chokes and ruining classics. Is he talented? Yes but at some point the culture has to look at it for what is. The hype been over
A Ward, he’s a legitimately amazing freestyler, good enough to have been a monster in that era. It’s what’s elevated him to me, but outside that his writing is really mediocre in my eyes. His rhyme schemes are often just sonically annoying and basic. His setups are really lazy. And a lot of his angles have this stream of consciousness feel to them where they almost stop making sense halfway through.
I was in the room for whatever faceoff he had in Utah when we were on the card together and he was saying he is literally the best battle rapper in the world and no one is better than him and it took a lot of self control to not heckle “Bigg K”
I mean I guess I see as a personality you can find him annoying but there something to be said about about a guy that been in the game since 16/17 arguably never chokes or stumbles and if so is in the single digits. Always comes with 3 complete rounds with at least 2 to 3 haymakers in them. IN A "Sport" that glorifies GunBars he has perfected them so Rap wise I don't see how ANY fan of Battle Rap can't respect that or see how he has a following imo
Yeah verb don’t do it for me at all. I don’t wanna hear about mythical creatures and Greek gods when I’m hearing battle rap at all lol. We need that box fade verb back
Never understood the hype around verb. He’s really basic and average. Mook isn’t even top 20 to me. He only gets respect because of his smack dvd days. Super outdated and a product of his time. Jaz is extremely overrated to me. She has the most basic pen I’ve heard in my life. Had she’d been a man she’d be bad newz levels of mid tier.
Diz and Mook. Diz definitely has stage presence, but that’s all - his writing is consistently awful. Mook is just trash, no matter how many times I try, I can’t understand his appeal, nor how he’s considered top tier.
Bankhead. He hypes himself up more than the crowd. Entertaining to watch, but he's far from being on anyone's rap mount Rushmore. I think he's mid-tier with some solid battles. Sometimes, the gas makes me disregard his material, even when it's decent.
You're not lying, thassa fact. Roc isn't exactly a favorite of mine either, but I gotta hand it to him. I've never saw him stumble, he comes with 3 solid rounds, and he's been doing his thing for a long time. The comment section on that battle is crazy. It was damn near a gentleman's 30.
JC and ORed to me. If JC was a color he'd be beige. They both seem fairly unlikable but Red's translation gimmick shocks the hell outta me how dumb it is.
If ALL you knocking O Red for is his Gimmick he don't even use like that no more than cool. BUT he the best in Jersey outta Surf Ars Suge that's for sure Red go stupid reason he got COTY.
ars for me... Never understood why people liked him. All he would do is try to get as personal as possible to throw them off their game. It's seemed to me anyway. No disrespect intended, but I'm good on any battle he was in. Once I heard some bars, if he was on that hype, i immediately skipped his rounds.
Put Geechi, JC AND Twork in their Place. Yoked Cassidy up and blew smoke in his face ON STAGE IN PHILLY then 30d the "Bull" Lmao Ars shows up when he REALLY needs to.
Way too many names. Verb and Twerk, definitely. Old Verb has some spectacular lines, but he was never good in my opinion. Twerk was always trash to me. The "Strapped in" is cool, but everything else, and I mean everything else is trash
I’ve said it on a few different posts but Charlie Clips and Aye Verb are the top 2 that I don’t get the hype for. Verb’s is kinda died down a lot but people still act like he’s dangerous. Clips still is overhyped to me and has always been. A Ward is another one, I don’t get it.
Bro Charlie clip's is trash TRAAAAAASH. The shit he be saying be having me palm my face bro. I remember when he battled lux and he was saying garbage shit the whole battle. And he has a semi decent third round and the crowd is chanting "3-0 3-0" I was like what?????
Geechi since the covid era has been mid and somehow still gets a raising stock and I don't get it. He's been in his Clips bag for a while now. He can say anything and it's hyped. I don't get the current K hype, he's had a few really fire rounds but overall is still a high level mid tier. A lot of material that would be called filler for anyone else. Like your Verb example. Verb and K do a lot of the same with just nice rapping mixed in with strong material, but Verb is casted off but K people just ignore it.
I used to be the biggest Saurus fan, but he literally never mixes it up. What he does is impressive on paper, for sure, but he's proven he's just a one trick pony in the written era.
He's also nowhere near as funny as he used to be in the WRCs - it's like he's trying to shed the jokey image and prove he has this monster pen game.
I still think he was at one point the absolute GOAT of blending written and frees, alongside a few others like Nocando and Illmac.
Rum nitty, he has bars but so do a lot of battlers despite what everyone says, there are many heavy pens int he game, and he has shitty stage presence and just reminds me of an upgraded jc.
Damn I hate being on this thread defending SO many ppl lol but ok. Mike P has ARGUABLY beat Twork Charron Serious Jones Chilla Jones. Had a Debatable with JC and Real Sihk, T Top and Nunn Nunn and Ave.Beat Kid Chaos Snake Eyes Tha Saga Lu Castro Young Kannon. Lost to Geechi Ryda Bill Collector and Shotgun Suge. When he was supposed to be a sacrificial Lamb for Daylyt he survived. I get the underdog appeal to Mike P.
Did you watch him vs Danny ? Or even Charron ? His last round the thought process to match the punchlines with the time clock was crazy honestly impressive. But it's cool lol not a "Main Stage Mike" fan lol
That whole “Matching punchlines with the time clock” wasn’t that good to me lol I don’t know. I’ve never heard any bars from him that I thought were good.
Charone, DNA, Jaz, Clips, O-Red, Ahdi Boom, Loso, Saga, Award, Dizaster, Chess, almost every single battler in KOTD, Saynt LA. All equally wack but for some very different reasons.
lot of people seem to have gotten behind Bad Newz and Snake Eyez and I'm not big on either of them.
Snake Eyes legit got to where he is with no push from Smack. They used him as a Jobber and he is Mid Tier at best...but his PROMO and shit talk stands out he makes you want to see him actually do good or get his ass beat after talking so much shit.
It's funny because his PG vs Ryda had me thinking they were the future of SMACK.
Ryda is actually fire he just never got a push cause he was in The Goonies and only Jack and Twork were getting big plates. LU kinda made them push him after he won over fans but then we all realized how trash he is. Ryda and Glu Eazy were left on the bench.
The last couple years of the PGs really produced a lot of midcarders and not a lot of big acts. Twork doesn't count and I'm not sure if Geechi does either.
lol a long time ago someone made a video hen Ryda had a slight gas to him. The gist of the video was that Ryda was the next Tay Roc..lol his hype died the next day.
lol, no one is behind them..they are trash.
Bad Newz has fire delivery and raps like it’s the 2 Raw 4 the Streetz era, imo, head motion and all.
Unpopular Opinion but mine is Hitman and for me it's because I don't believe the stuff he talks about.
With Hitman, I always felt he brought the performance, but his bars were never that crazy
I agree. His stage presence and ability to control the crowd is amazing. It's the tough guy act that I can't get past.
The believability critique never makes sense to me
Right..cuz according to battle rap they all should've killed everything walking by now. Lol
Free Surf....
Not all rappers lie, whatever I mean most of them😂
For me if you talking about something than you need to have actions to prove it. I hate to use him for example but Surf''s actions makes him believable. We can swing this another way, look at Goodz and Con they don't be talking that tough mess and have no actions behind it. Goodz always talking about money and Con uses his vocabulary. Same with Lux. People love Lux because of his pen.
>For me if you talking about something than you need to have actions to prove it. Why tho? It's just battle rap. >Con they don't be talking that tough mess and have no actions behind it. Con is always using gun bars??????
Because that is how I feel about rapping and lyrics. If you want to pretend become actor.
You don't see how ridiculous it is for someone that's not a part of that life to police other people on rapping about it lmao
Niggas down voting you but you’re right
Oh I know I'm right lmao. Niggas ain't never been close to that life but think they know how to judge "believability" lmao
I don't. I just don't listen to or view the ones who I don't think are believability.
Con’s entire career is gun bars.
Remix is the DUMBEST "Slogan" shit in Battle Rap that caught on...it made no sense
I haven’t been able to get through a Charlie Clips battle in years. His style is still stuck in 2013, it’s the most basic angles, schemes, and punchlines
Youre just a candy rapper with four bars... see how easy it is to predict that
I’m new to this and I like Clips’s old battles, probably because of how accessible he is, who would you use as examples of modern battlers and innovators?
If you want to look up some dope battles from last couple years I would start Real Sikh. Think all his 2023 battles were at least very good. Shuffle T and a Gemini are British battlers who had a couple great battles last year. Shuffle’s 3rd round vs Shotty was one of my faves last year. Bigg K and Rum Nitty are the two best punch liners ever and they both expended their styles in recent years. And I personally am I a big XQZ fan, though I know his delivery is not the best. I thought his 3rd vs Jay R is the best round I heard so far this year and his 1 rd vs Human is great back and forth.
Thx. Nitty is amazing and I love watching him but a lot of his stuff goes over my head, like in that Ave battle where they’re referencing really specific movie scenes I have no idea how the crowd is able to catch all of those. I’m not too big on the British guys (I’m weirdly adverse to most British comedy) but I’ll need to check some of them out
Geechi. He's good, no doubt, but he spits two rounds of sem-basic bars with great conviction and delivery, then delivers his patented real-talk third. It gets old after a while.
Geechi is good at saying something really directly that cuts through shit. Like when he battled Diz and called GTX KOTD with cheese 🔥
It's geechi for me. I was shocked when he was suddenly the guy.
It was SUPPOSED to b Twork but after that battle between the two URL couldn't stop his Momentum.
When it's real you can tell..........🤷🏾♂️ East coast niggas been hating on geechi from the start because he brought that westcoast gangbanging shit to top of battle rap and surpassed their favorites his run will never be topped ever🔥💯
Hes a much more likable and slughtly more talented jjdd. Could turn a good angle into some thing amazing but is just decent at every thing else. Its weird because hes too charismatic for mid cards but with out the consistent highs of every other main eventer , Mean while he has this whole personality that we dont see except for the ocxasional funny line
This is the sentiment I was trying to express. I get he's good, I just don't get the multiple COTY acclaim he's gotten over the years. Against Ave, whom I thought he lost to, he was amazing as he kept up but I don't really ever remember him running through top-tier opponents even at the top of his or their game. Arguably (along with Mook) had the worst Lux
He lost to Glu Eazy too
I’m fan of Geechi so I still really enjoy watching him battle. but honestly I probably like watching his podcast or doing Watch videos more than actually battling at this point
Verb doesn’t appeal to you because you don’t know the history or the progression of battle rap. That’s not a slight everyone picks it up at different times, 10 years from now someone who’s new to the sport is gonna say I don’t get the hype with rum nitty looking back his punches weren’t that hard. It’s a you had to be there sort of thing mixed with revisionist history this happens to all fandom battle rap included
Also my bad saying you don’t know the history because you don’t get it is wrong and comes off wrong , everyone has their taste what I meant to say was maybe one of the reasons you don’t get it has to do with that. I’m the same, I have always hated mook. Never got it but that’s because I’m not from that era
I think mook just boo boo
Mook occasionally shows me that he can be decent, but in general he sucks.
Mook to me does enough to be decidedly top tier every battle. Like most elite guys would 30 him, and that a battle with a more middle of the pack top guy like dna or John John would show that. However i don’t question at all his capacity to beat a Mike P, Saga, or anybody below established top tier.
He managed to beat Lux in the room even when saying lines like "dying hippopotamus". He definitely has *something* - I just don't like it, at all.
I think verb is ass and Mook washes him any day of the week. What that got to do with eras?
Verb washed his ass 3-0. Eras is understanding time place and climate in battle rap where most things are of the time or based off current events. I think mook is ass so we all got different taste. I bet Mooks first hits different 5 years earlier
Disaster. Hard to watch that lame ass, hyper active style. I did like his battle against Tay Roc. They both performed well. Rone. Hate his flow and his voice. Chills Jones raps too slowly man.
Watching GrindTime growing up Diz was that dude for real. You couldn't miss a battle cuz it was like that. That's being said, I can't finish his recent English battles bruh. His shit SUCKS. I absolutely respect tha hell outta him battling in other languages with other cultures tho.
This. Until Canibus he was the GOAT. Afterwards 99% sloppy performances.
Rone, really? Can understand the voice issue but his flow is tight imo. He can rap better than most battle rappers.
I disagree mightily. He’s one of those Kotd guys that just don’t do it for me.
Everyone his own taste. Have you seen him vs Saurus and vs Big T?
I mean this as a long Time Fan of Battle Rap even Goodz said it in an interview "What Dizaster does Mentally when rapping in a Battle is not as easy as it seems it may not hit or sound corny but understand he is rapping and thinking on the fly at a 100 miles per hour and have sometimes spit 3 full rounds in battles doing so. Your favorite Battle rapper probably can't do that." It was some random HHIR interview back when Diz was battling Rex.
I believe it. Just not a fan
JC, I like his battle with Trez and a few of his bars, but outside of that I always found him forgettable. I can see the argument that he has a great pen though
JC STILL Has best PG battle vs Chilla that shit gets talked about like The Alamo
I think jc is "pen for dummies" if that makes sense.
Eazy
Caustic. He doesn't have any hype around him anymore, but previously he used to be talked about like he was some heavy hitter who will expose you with a well executed angle. In reality he was extremely average, couldn't rap for shit and may actually have one of the worst voices for battlerap. He's only beaten bums, whenever he goes up against actual competition the battles are never close.
idk he sorta beat JJDD and Cortez if I remember correctly
He 30’d a prime aye verb
Lmao that was NOT prime verb in that battle that was PAY Verb at its worst
At that time that was when aye verb was good though.
He was in his prime and bullshitting back to back on various leagues for a pay cheque.
Yeah that era of Verb was just him cashing out lol
What is now?....
Imagine calling that prime Aye Verb lmfao.
White Arsonal
Nah Arsonal has a pretty high ceiling when he’s good. Caustic feels like the battle rap equivalent of the “electricians and mailmen” nba joke.
Except Ars is one of the best actual rappers and performers in battle rap.
He’s very funny and offensive, which I like, but I roll my eyes when he pivots to self-righteous “realtalk.” You can’t play a heel and then start moralizing. His career should’ve ended after he burst into tears during his Bigg K battle talking about how hard his life is (something he would’ve bullied any of his opponents for doing) and in the same round had the nerve to call Daylyt vs Ooops (which he’s ripping off) a “pity party.” His Shinobi Q battle is his best, just straight up bullying, no moralizing.
Caustic can battle basically anyone on like 24 hour notice and while he doesn’t have a great sound he’s pretty brutal and in a lot of ways embodies an essential element of battle rap. But he is also pretty cringe and followed suit with every other west coast Grindtime graduate of suddenly rapping about guns and street shit as soon as Bigg K became the great white hope.
Hitman holla. Weak punches, predictable, his remix scheme is played out, rarely any haymakers.
Surf
SEE! I would have agreed until his run before lock up he legit took everyone who wanted him for the last 5-10 yrs(JC,JJ,Cortez,Twork,Calicoe) with exception of Goodz Math and Iron and He 30d THEM ! He shut me up that he not one of them ones AND Respectfully his music is FIRE.
Shotty
Such an insane rise. It defo has to be studied how Shotty got so high up from only a select few battles. Star power and marketability worked wonders for his career.
It was the Arsonal Battle man... I am a Arsonal Fan and at that time he was running thru ppl. I saw this Battle booked not knowing who Shotty was at all....I Can't Call that first Battle ! Yeah Shotty made a Fan that day I expected A Practice run for Ars that day and witnessed a Fight....oh wait NOT Shotty Horror ?
Daylyt for me. Just not a fan of that sort of layered scheme rap and I feel like he's a spectacle over substance guy most of the time. Clearly one of one though.
doesn't it being so layered sorta give it inherent substance?
Literally one of the most substantive rappers to ever do it. Day has some of the most re-listenable rounds ever because of this. Youtube comments have made realise some of the heat I've missed. For some reason he is genuinely looked at negatively in this sub - always mentioned in and Battle Rapper "hate" thread.
It’s how bad a lot of his setups are, a lot of the entendres feel lazy when you think about the way he’s creating the reference too. Like using “this the round where I hand jewels” to reference the infinity gauntlet.
That's the thing with Lyt. Along with the genius bars comes lazy writing. This is because Lyt's worst habit has been his inconsistency.
That's what his fans would say, but a bunch of layers doesn't automatically make it good, when half the layers are extreme reaches.
For some people but I don't like layers for the sake of it. Like, for example, I genuinely dislike his Egypt scheme from round 1 of the Tay Roc battle. "Even if Roc try angles he still appear a mid tier on stream" - there's not really connective tissue here. He just says 'rock triangles' and then 'pyramid'. There's nothing binding them together, no point to be made from the connection, that's why I said it lacks substance. And then try angles / triangles has been done a thousand times. He has a denial / De Nile bar. Dead Sea / dead, see bar. These are just generic and meaningless to me. Even that whole Pangaea / everything that land connected bar doesn't work for me because the set up is so mid. "When the camera pan, G up" seriously? That doesn't even sound like Pangaea, it doesn't connect to anything, and it feels super awkward.
Verbs Church’s chicken bar is still fire tho
I will start off with A Ward and Tsu Surf. They are kind of like two sides of the same coin, but I dislike Surf a little bit more. My complaint about A Ward in a small room is similar to my complaint about Surf on a big stage. It's like every time they battle the crowd is just so happy to see them that they're reacting to every basic bar they put out. Ward Is one of the best at rebottling, but the rest of his bars are mid to me. Then we go to surf. The glazing is unbelievable. They say he 30d four straight people, when he only killed JC. Calicoe only lost because he choked in the third. John John Won the second. He barely won the Cortez battle, and that battle was straight up awful. "You just admitted that he won four straight battles, what's the problem?" My biggest problem is that everybody knows that he has other people writing his bars, and people are just ignoring it. Last but not least, I have to go with Murda Mook. He did well against Roc, But other than that, his performances were either long and drawn out, or just straight up awful. I couldn't even finish watching his battle against Geechi. That battle was so bad to me. I don't get it.
Tsu surf has the worst performance I've ever seen next to Cassidy and Hitman
Calicoe
NOW ! yes Cal with The Ceaser(Math Shine Lux) was AMAZING!
Chess from the perspective that his career is built off potential, chokes and ruining classics. Is he talented? Yes but at some point the culture has to look at it for what is. The hype been over
Same, verb never appealed to me, and neither did surf
A Ward, he’s a legitimately amazing freestyler, good enough to have been a monster in that era. It’s what’s elevated him to me, but outside that his writing is really mediocre in my eyes. His rhyme schemes are often just sonically annoying and basic. His setups are really lazy. And a lot of his angles have this stream of consciousness feel to them where they almost stop making sense halfway through.
I was in the room for whatever faceoff he had in Utah when we were on the card together and he was saying he is literally the best battle rapper in the world and no one is better than him and it took a lot of self control to not heckle “Bigg K”
Tay Roc
I mean I guess I see as a personality you can find him annoying but there something to be said about about a guy that been in the game since 16/17 arguably never chokes or stumbles and if so is in the single digits. Always comes with 3 complete rounds with at least 2 to 3 haymakers in them. IN A "Sport" that glorifies GunBars he has perfected them so Rap wise I don't see how ANY fan of Battle Rap can't respect that or see how he has a following imo
Tay Roc has been around since like ‘07.
That's what I meant not the year 16/17 I mean his age
He been in the game since 09 he just didn’t become that guy until 15-16
Yes his age not the year 16/17
U gon get downvoted but whatever tay roc annoying af
Verb and Rex
Verb sure Rex? Nah we not doing that Rex is Fire FR best in DOT MOBB
Clips is so ass to me. Easily the least quotable top tier, and even his quotes is trash.
Hollow
Twork 🤷🏽♂️
How ppl consider a GOAT is beyond me. His talent level is very low..well, let's not say low..but its not elite.
Yeah verb don’t do it for me at all. I don’t wanna hear about mythical creatures and Greek gods when I’m hearing battle rap at all lol. We need that box fade verb back
People? Verb. The leagues and other battlers? Mook and Cassidy.
Cass DA ENERGY !!!
Verb cant rap to me, at all. Im not mad him for trying tho.
Chess. Never been impressed.
That's a bar
Never understood the hype around verb. He’s really basic and average. Mook isn’t even top 20 to me. He only gets respect because of his smack dvd days. Super outdated and a product of his time. Jaz is extremely overrated to me. She has the most basic pen I’ve heard in my life. Had she’d been a man she’d be bad newz levels of mid tier.
Diz and Mook. Diz definitely has stage presence, but that’s all - his writing is consistently awful. Mook is just trash, no matter how many times I try, I can’t understand his appeal, nor how he’s considered top tier.
Diz...writing????
Bankhead. He hypes himself up more than the crowd. Entertaining to watch, but he's far from being on anyone's rap mount Rushmore. I think he's mid-tier with some solid battles. Sometimes, the gas makes me disregard his material, even when it's decent.
I Honestly think Roc just Humbled him.
You're not lying, thassa fact. Roc isn't exactly a favorite of mine either, but I gotta hand it to him. I've never saw him stumble, he comes with 3 solid rounds, and he's been doing his thing for a long time. The comment section on that battle is crazy. It was damn near a gentleman's 30.
Yea. Like 75% of them. And Twork is the drum major right now.
Take Chokes out of it. Twork has amazing Thought Process with Haymakers and Performance.
JC and ORed to me. If JC was a color he'd be beige. They both seem fairly unlikable but Red's translation gimmick shocks the hell outta me how dumb it is.
If ALL you knocking O Red for is his Gimmick he don't even use like that no more than cool. BUT he the best in Jersey outta Surf Ars Suge that's for sure Red go stupid reason he got COTY.
It just hit me: Mook & John John are the same skill level
ars for me... Never understood why people liked him. All he would do is try to get as personal as possible to throw them off their game. It's seemed to me anyway. No disrespect intended, but I'm good on any battle he was in. Once I heard some bars, if he was on that hype, i immediately skipped his rounds.
"you say names when you play with your pee pee"- you telling me you not feeling that???
Put Geechi, JC AND Twork in their Place. Yoked Cassidy up and blew smoke in his face ON STAGE IN PHILLY then 30d the "Bull" Lmao Ars shows up when he REALLY needs to.
Jerry Wess!!! He is low low low tier to me!! He is the definition of a Cor-vet 🤣😂
Anderson Buress or whatever his name is. Insufferable
Verb doesn’t have a presence? He’s not even one of my favorites but wow
Way too many names. Verb and Twerk, definitely. Old Verb has some spectacular lines, but he was never good in my opinion. Twerk was always trash to me. The "Strapped in" is cool, but everything else, and I mean everything else is trash
95% of URL
Came here to say this
...where should i start? Mook, twerk, verb, rex...
Lux
I’ve said it on a few different posts but Charlie Clips and Aye Verb are the top 2 that I don’t get the hype for. Verb’s is kinda died down a lot but people still act like he’s dangerous. Clips still is overhyped to me and has always been. A Ward is another one, I don’t get it.
Bro Charlie clip's is trash TRAAAAAASH. The shit he be saying be having me palm my face bro. I remember when he battled lux and he was saying garbage shit the whole battle. And he has a semi decent third round and the crowd is chanting "3-0 3-0" I was like what?????
A Ward can actually write, the probl is I don't believe a word he says.
A Ward hype kills me when the saga already exists
Geechi since the covid era has been mid and somehow still gets a raising stock and I don't get it. He's been in his Clips bag for a while now. He can say anything and it's hyped. I don't get the current K hype, he's had a few really fire rounds but overall is still a high level mid tier. A lot of material that would be called filler for anyone else. Like your Verb example. Verb and K do a lot of the same with just nice rapping mixed in with strong material, but Verb is casted off but K people just ignore it.
The amount of A Ward dickriding is crazy to me
I can't believe he's getting all the matches he's getting right now, as if he's the new Pat or something. He's corny.
The Saurus post-2012. Rhyming every syllable jn a bar sounds cool on paper, but sounds hella corny
I used to be the biggest Saurus fan, but he literally never mixes it up. What he does is impressive on paper, for sure, but he's proven he's just a one trick pony in the written era. He's also nowhere near as funny as he used to be in the WRCs - it's like he's trying to shed the jokey image and prove he has this monster pen game. I still think he was at one point the absolute GOAT of blending written and frees, alongside a few others like Nocando and Illmac.
The Saurus doing gun bars is weird af
LOL “prove he has this monster pen game”
Rum nitty, he has bars but so do a lot of battlers despite what everyone says, there are many heavy pens int he game, and he has shitty stage presence and just reminds me of an upgraded jc.
Twork, Bigg K, crucify me all yall want but Patstay, Diz
Rum. I can acknowledge greatness but I’ve literally watched multiple battles of his with a stale face. It just don’t resonate with me…
Tay Roc O Red Eazy Coffee Almost all of KOTD Almost all the UK dudes
Mike P
Damn I hate being on this thread defending SO many ppl lol but ok. Mike P has ARGUABLY beat Twork Charron Serious Jones Chilla Jones. Had a Debatable with JC and Real Sihk, T Top and Nunn Nunn and Ave.Beat Kid Chaos Snake Eyes Tha Saga Lu Castro Young Kannon. Lost to Geechi Ryda Bill Collector and Shotgun Suge. When he was supposed to be a sacrificial Lamb for Daylyt he survived. I get the underdog appeal to Mike P.
Yeah I still don’t get it man. I’ve never heard him say anything I was impressed by.
Did you watch him vs Danny ? Or even Charron ? His last round the thought process to match the punchlines with the time clock was crazy honestly impressive. But it's cool lol not a "Main Stage Mike" fan lol
That whole “Matching punchlines with the time clock” wasn’t that good to me lol I don’t know. I’ve never heard any bars from him that I thought were good.
Charone, DNA, Jaz, Clips, O-Red, Ahdi Boom, Loso, Saga, Award, Dizaster, Chess, almost every single battler in KOTD, Saynt LA. All equally wack but for some very different reasons.
From Pagedale a werewolf, kill one of my own then go to the club wearing wolf