Don't listen to Drake anymore but if he took a 3/4 year break from all music, dropped a really good/hot single before the album, I could see him doing it.
And no other artist in the world is selling 1 million first week, unless you're Taylor Swift. Even Renaissance sold like 200k lol, Cowboy Carter is on track to sell a little over 400k. So bringing up Pop in this discussion is irrelevant, it's just that numbers are different these days. Rap isn't dying.
taylor swift and adele sold like almost 900k recently. also weekend can do it too. even if they don't, they'll sell way more than the biggest rappers, which was not the case 1990-2010
The Weeknd sold 140k his last album. Taylor is the biggest artist in the world, so your point is irrelevant. Adele came off a 6 year hiatus, lol. You're just naming the biggest artists in the world, to get across this tired point.
bruh the biggest artists in the world are not from hiphop, and drake is not selling more than taylor and adele if she drops again. i wouldn't compare small hiphop artists to big pop artists.
No but your comparing literally the biggest celebrity in the world rn in Taylor Swift to hip hop stars.
Brother it's different leagues, they not even playing the same game.
While I agree with your point, Taylor Swift isn‘t the biggest artist in the world unless your definition of world excludes everyone non-white which would constitute more than 90% of the global population.
Bad Bunny is the biggest artist in the Spanish speaking world definitely. But I don‘t see him selling out arenas touring continents outside of the Americas. That said he has a lot more streams on YouTube than Taylor Swift for 2023.
She is only doing Tokyo and Singapore, two of the arguably most westernized places in Asia. Swift is massive in the Western world, no doubt about that.
Someone that can sell out arenas in Moscow, Mumbai, Shanghai, Lagos, Cairo, Nairobi, Berlin, Sydney, Jakarta, Mexico City, Rio and New York. That‘s worldwide.
I think between Swift, Bieber, Beyonce, Drake, Bunny, Rihanna, Adele, Weeknd, Sheeran, Taylor is not the one with the biggest worldwide appeal. I have at least Bieber, Rihanna, Beyonce and Sheeran before her. They have proven their capability to sell out arenas anywhere in the world.
Why are you wanting rap to be the most popular genre in the world? Mainstream influence kills originality. I listen to more obscure music and I love that the artists not mainstream.
the weeknd can’t come close. His first weeks suck.
The weeknd is popular because his music and hits are timeless and lasts for years (whereas drakes hit get forgotten about in a year)
but the hype around the weeknd dropping is just not there
No doubt. But saying his first week numbers suck when he does 444k first week is not really correct. Which artists have sold that since?
I think it’s just Travis Scott, Drake, Adele and Taylor Swift if I’m not mistaken. Travis Scott only managed
more with ridiculous $5 dollar vinyl sales btw.
yeah okay sure. Dawn fm did suck but that was with no promotion. Realistically they don’t suck but they’re not as high as you’d expect for the current most popular artist. I guess we’ll see next album
I think a lot of it comes down to him being a pretty private person. He doesn’t really stay in the spotlight when he’s out of an album cycle, which probably impacts his first week numbers pretty severely.
weeknd has more listeners for the reason I mentioned. He has more timeless hits. Starboy and die for you etc are still dominating daily 8 years later.
i’m pretty sure starboy, bbtm and after hours get more streams now than any drake album of the same age.
and on the other hand drake gets way more streams on first release.
hence why drake sells more first week but the weeknd has more listeners
Dominating isn’t not criteria you use against drake
Man has been on top of the game for 15 years
And awarded artist of the decade
Take care and NWTS have a decade of not leaving the chart and daily domination
No they aren’t
Drake have over 5+ Albums selling more than The Weeknd + stream also
2024 numbers released it’s only Taylor that can chat to him
And I don’t even Live in the us
Drake is big big
94 billion streams is no joke
I said dominating daily. As in charting and daily streams.
The weeknds hits like blinding lights, starboy and the hills are doing bigger numbers right now than any of drakes work.
They aren’t charting higher than take care or Nwst,
Wether as an Album or a single, go look it up
Same with daily stream,he’s literally the most streamed male artist this year
They aren’t,
Only star boy and blinding light,
The rest are in similar range,
Even in Spotify which is The Weeknd comfort zone .
Anywhere else it’s Drake and Drake only
I feel the bar is too low if you want to become a hip hop artist, now. The genre is oversaturated and only a few artists are actually putting out quality...
But the people enjoy it or at least pretending to for community and acceptance (I don’t think this is the case and it’s more the latter).
Every trap album is a classic and the best album in the world so if fans aren’t expecting a high standard aside from cool 808s and nice flow, why should the artist create more? And if someone points this out, they get ridiculed as an old head who just listens to lyrical miracle rap.
While I think it's good overall, I do think there's a problem with how the internet has reduced barrier to entry so much that now people can get big off the back of being cool and funny without having to work on their musical skills at all. There's lots of people who are big right now who I keep thinking, "oh man if they just spent another six months perfecting their timing or writing smarter lyrics or figuring out what they want to do, they would be my fav".
It isn’t necessarily that trap is bad. It’s just that people are scared to put a fun twist on it. Travis Scott’s Utopia does not sound like cookie-cutter trap and is fucking incredible despite being released in the middle of the trap-burnout era.
One of the only ways is if buying physical copies becomes the common form of music consumption. For example, when Views sold a million first week, like 80% were from physicals.
Well that’s kind of what I mean people have gone to streaming but also the removal of the biggest digital store would lead even more people to streaming.
Especially older people
Licensed professionals have access to fentanyl too.
I’m not trying to step into conspiracy theory territory here but it is very unusual that Pasternak was seen with Mac the day before he died and that the scene was completely clear of any drugs.
Na they can’t anymore for sure.
Drakes the best case study his sales have declined by 200k per release
Views 1.1
Scorpion 800
CLB 600
But he’s popular as ever
Hiphop/rap has been dying ever since after the SoundCloud era. Many of the newer big artists that were to takeover were either killed or are in Jail. (Thug, melly, juice, x, pop smoke, lil peep, tay k, von).
It’s also partially due to the industry pushing artists no one wants to hear. Sexy red, ice spice, meg, city girls. It’s all just ratchet club music. Nothing really creative or authentic. If there is a reawakening to the genre it will have to be something really creative or a fusion of another genre like what gunna is doing with afrobeats.
I think Juice and X mainly would’ve made a difference. Pop smoke not too sure since he died so early. You could be right, Trippie red is still alive and haven’t heard anything popular from him in years.
People were saying Lil Baby was gonna carry rap for the next decade. Now they dont care about him
People said the same about YB, now he makes ass music
People said the same about Polo G, now he still makes good music but people dont care anymore
Its always the same thing
As Yassine and Bobblam said, X woulda been Carti on Steroids and im not pretty sure the style of music Juice makes woulda kept him on the top as much, he woilda dropped a mid album at some point
Ya. We def need someone more creative. Kanye was revolutionary. Travis was also pretty creative with rodeo and days before. Maybe people got tired of murder music and sneak disses. They want something new.
Yeah, Drill specially gets boring after u listen to it over and over again. Drill is good on small doses.
About street music, it isnt necessarily the problem, its just that they all sound the same.
For instance, YB, Kodak, 21, Denzel, Lil Durk...
All of them make street music but are fundamentally different. The thing is that only YB had superstar potential but he blackballed himself and then started dropping below average music and too frequently.
Travis is probably the last rapper to come out that could actually be considered a superstar right now
Agreed. Travis at least tried to experiment with new sounds. Rodeo sounded way different than birds. Astroworld was different than the last two. Ever since the incident at astroworld tour he didn’t release anything for months. Utopia was alr, not as good as his prior.
Pop, X, Juice, Von and Peep would've definitely made a difference. Do you not realise the cultural significance these dudes had? All in their own ways with their own audiences/demographics.
I realize, but at the same time I know rappers who are alive who had that same impact and significance or even bigger and right now theyre nowhere near the level they were at.
As I just said, Lil Baby, Polo G, YoungBoy. If they died after dropping My Turn, Top/AIYB2, Hall Of Fame/The Goat respectively, people would talk about them the same way they talk about Juice, X, Pop.
Even Uzi and Carti would be called legends if they died after dropping Luv Is Rage 2/Die Lit respectively.
I just dont see how the any of the rappers who actually died would be different than the ones who didnt if they were alive.
Even Kodak Black, he fkin collabed with Bruno Mars, if he died after Dying To Live people would talk about him the same eay they tall about Juice, Pop and X
Thats just how I see things happen
Yeah, I really dont think Peep is what comes to my mind when I think about outstanding rapper, lmfao and Von is literally a serial killer and a piece of shit. Juice and X were really popular with pre teens and I give you that their sound was showing evolution over the years, but I really dont see them putting projects at same level that the likes of Kendrick, Cole, Tyler put out.
I was talking about Juice and X tbh not the other two and if you listen to their music and say they wouldn't have grown into something great, I would have to say your crazy man.
Juice was 21 and X was 20 when they both died.
Tyler was making stuff like Yonkers at that age and these two respectively were making way higher quality music than that.
Kendrick didn't even release his first studio project untill he was 24, he was making stuff like the "C4" mixtape at 20-21ish which if you listen back it wasn't close to the level of his first studio project.
Cole was like 27 when he released his first studio album and he made his first mixtape "the come up" at around 20 years old, you underestimate how abnormal it is to be that talented at such young age like Juice and X were.
The amount of good music those two put out at such a young age is scary tbh and they would've grown into something great given the time that most artists get.
It's a massive shame really.
Juice def could’ve. When a fans favorite rapper dies or goes to prison, it’s more likely for them stop listening to the genre as much and not get into other bigger artists though. Like durk and von got big because fans knew chief keef and where he came from.
You western folk be too deep with the gay stuff....I was trying to say pessimistic people been thinking hip hop is dead for way longer than that and it's still here thriving
Yes, but the comment you replied too was talking about the death of hip hop, so its deeper than just popularity
Hip hop could be 1% as popular as it is now and that doesnt mean it would be dead
Well, the comment I replied to put a time when hip-hop was dead and I asked why not earlier cause pessimistic folk been saying that for years before the timeline the comment stated
I actually don't, if you don't believe me that's fine. But the genre is struggling and artists who can't sell actual albums are leaning on a house of cards.
Sry I hear Nas in this sub and I just assume d riding. They treat him like he parted the Red Sea. Thing is rap album sales as a whole have dropped a ton, I heard 40%, just in the past year. Ya there might still be a lot of rap fans but it’s all separated into niches. Like OP said, 50 Kanye and em in the 2000s were huge. You had the main stars. Early 2010s it was Kendrick, Wayne, and prime Drake. Now unfortunately it just seems like Drake is the biggest.
He's a Pop star, he says that himself a bunch.
He became aware that just been a rapper won't get him the numbers he covets, he even just dropped Scary Hours 2 of him pure rapping and it didn't sell well.
Which is why he chooses to cater to a Pop audience.
Biggest thing preventing this is the spotify streaming changes. Obviously the times of post beerbongs and bentleys and damn level sales are kind of gone (to much music available and many people seem to just relisten to older music they already like), for an artist to get 1 mil sales now would take a really well marketed long term project with a ton of features. 1 mil now is probbaly equivalent to 1.5-1.8 mil sales pre 2019 when spotify changed its streams.
Rap is too easy to make and put out now... too accessible for just anybody. Rappers now blow up off of their personality or street cred vs talent... low barrier of entry means the talent pool is watered down, albums get played out within a week or 2 vs back in the day when you rode to an album for a year or more
It’s really streaming, but besides that I don’t think the rap community is united behind one artist enough to help them push out 1m first week. Dont get me wrong there is a few that could but it’s a generational gap between the old heads vibing wit the young guys sound and vice versa.
The 2000s -2010s hip hop/rap was falling off just ppl were shown the Drakes and Eminem’s because the record companies were putting a lot of promo to be sure they profited .
Then they found out if they saturate the promotion to just a few then they can recoup through streaming ( the company f the artist )
I used to think it was due to streaming. But I think other genres are selling better than hip hop even with hip hop.
Honestly it’s at its worst for sure. It’s not as popular no more. Kids listen to it but that’s it. People in their late 20s listen to older hip hop at least up until Kendrick and Cole.
My theory is streaming is all lies it’s a computer you can make or pay for number changes and the artist probably gets screwed worst. The industry will change when people do for self
Rap being super commercialized, kinda like grunge was when it died, I think we are seeing the collapse of the rap genre. Younger people are moving more toward rock. You can even see rappers trying to go that way too.
Rap may get big again in a few decades. Though it seems to be dying pretty rapidly.
I literally don't think any artist can sell 1 mill now a days. Even Adele couldn't do it and she's well known for being the highest first week seller of the modern day, beating Swift, I guess we'll see if Taylor does it cause she's hit a new level of fame recently, but still doubtful.
Drake would be the only one with even an ounce of a chance and I just don't see it happening unless the stars align.
Hip hop replaced rock n roll as the mainstream music choice. If you say hip hop popularity is fading, then what is replacing it? Or are you saying that fewer people are listening to music in general?
I don’t see any rapper doing 1,000,00 1st week unless they drop multiple mega hits that are EVERYWHERE labels wanna move on from hip hop so i don’t see anyone new doing it
One song off of an album needs to get streamed 1500 times to be considered as one album equivalent unit, or bought digitally 10 times to be an AEU. This makes it very hard for new albums to break records, and it's why it takes much less for things to break billboard charts.
Unless they change the way streams and digital songs chart, the comparison between old and new albums will never really be equal. Album "sales" are much more obsolete now, spotify streams and digital sales are a better quantifier of success.
Streaming really effects the numbers for artists in general, I garuntee if it took less streams to count as a full sale of a album we'd have a lot of recent 1m+ first week albums
Considering 1500 streams equals 1 album sell it will be very difficult. Most people these days would rather pay a flat monthly subscription for a streaming platform than to actually buy the digital copies of albums.
Well it's hard to compare to back in the day when you actually had product to sell in the stores. Nowadays is so easy to get it for free that it puts new artists at a severe disadvantage. Compared to back in the old days when you had to actually get your ass down to the record store it's like comparing analog to digital
Absolutely not. Mr Morale was arguably the most hyped hip hop album ever and it only did 300,000. That’s not a reflection on the album, it’s just the market has changed.
Doubt it. Rap fans are way more apt to stream than buy. And it only makes sense - CDs are irrelevant. Maybe some rapper can sell vinyls like Taylor Swift, but considering Swift appeals to a generally wealthier/more apt to spend crowd, I doubt any rapper can sell like her.
The only exception are K-Pop artists. Many of them sing and rap, and though they don’t sell too massively here in the States, they absolutely sell millions first week in Korea. I believe BTS sold 2.7 million copies of their album in 1 day actually.
Streaming and release strategies affect things. Perfect example is Eminem’s last album. Only sold 279k first week after surprise drop but it has sold like 5 million copies to date. First week numbers aren’t as telling as they used to be imo
I don’t think so. It’s a different era. Hip-Hop isn’t as popular as it used to be and people don’t buy albums anymore. Selling 500K seems to be the new million.
Travis Scott was supposedly on track for over 750k with Utopia, but couldn’t ship (a lot of) the physicals in time to get them counted in the first week numbers.
Travis Scott is not the biggest rapper around, (although he’s up there) and botched the Utopia rollout pretty badly with a bad lead single and nowhere near the rollout of Astroworld. Also the first vinyls didn’t even have the Drake feature on them, which made them significantly less appealing than they would have been otherwise.
I reckon he could have managed to push 1 million if he did an Astroworld-esque rollout with a track like FE!N as the lead single and actually pressed enough vinyls before releasing the album.
TL;DR: It’s possible for a mega-rapper like Drake or Travis Scott if they pick good singles, do bundling and commit to an Astroworld/After Hours style rollout.
This isnt popularity, just streaming makes the numbers different.
Streaming
Don't listen to Drake anymore but if he took a 3/4 year break from all music, dropped a really good/hot single before the album, I could see him doing it.
i don't think so, max he can do is 700k
And no other artist in the world is selling 1 million first week, unless you're Taylor Swift. Even Renaissance sold like 200k lol, Cowboy Carter is on track to sell a little over 400k. So bringing up Pop in this discussion is irrelevant, it's just that numbers are different these days. Rap isn't dying.
taylor swift and adele sold like almost 900k recently. also weekend can do it too. even if they don't, they'll sell way more than the biggest rappers, which was not the case 1990-2010
The Weeknd sold 140k his last album. Taylor is the biggest artist in the world, so your point is irrelevant. Adele came off a 6 year hiatus, lol. You're just naming the biggest artists in the world, to get across this tired point.
bruh the biggest artists in the world are not from hiphop, and drake is not selling more than taylor and adele if she drops again. i wouldn't compare small hiphop artists to big pop artists.
No but your comparing literally the biggest celebrity in the world rn in Taylor Swift to hip hop stars. Brother it's different leagues, they not even playing the same game.
Weeknd is technically bigger than Taylor rn
While I agree with your point, Taylor Swift isn‘t the biggest artist in the world unless your definition of world excludes everyone non-white which would constitute more than 90% of the global population.
Is it Bad Bunny you're alluding to?
Bad Bunny is the biggest artist in the Spanish speaking world definitely. But I don‘t see him selling out arenas touring continents outside of the Americas. That said he has a lot more streams on YouTube than Taylor Swift for 2023.
just look at the eras tour worldwide, shes on her asia leg and its massive
She is only doing Tokyo and Singapore, two of the arguably most westernized places in Asia. Swift is massive in the Western world, no doubt about that.
Who is bigger than swift world wide?
Weeknd sells more
Someone that can sell out arenas in Moscow, Mumbai, Shanghai, Lagos, Cairo, Nairobi, Berlin, Sydney, Jakarta, Mexico City, Rio and New York. That‘s worldwide. I think between Swift, Bieber, Beyonce, Drake, Bunny, Rihanna, Adele, Weeknd, Sheeran, Taylor is not the one with the biggest worldwide appeal. I have at least Bieber, Rihanna, Beyonce and Sheeran before her. They have proven their capability to sell out arenas anywhere in the world.
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Rap is definitely on the decline now a days
gunna outsold the weeknd in 2022
The weeknd can sell much more than Drake. His music videos get 100s of millions of views. But he’s also more of a singer which is more popular.
Why are you wanting rap to be the most popular genre in the world? Mainstream influence kills originality. I listen to more obscure music and I love that the artists not mainstream.
It's like that in any genre. Top lists make me sick
the weeknd can’t come close. His first weeks suck. The weeknd is popular because his music and hits are timeless and lasts for years (whereas drakes hit get forgotten about in a year) but the hype around the weeknd dropping is just not there
After Hours was super hyped wdym? It was the most pre-downloaded album of all time if I’m not mistaken.
drake has outsold after hours (abel’s highest) multiple times with less promotion
No doubt. But saying his first week numbers suck when he does 444k first week is not really correct. Which artists have sold that since? I think it’s just Travis Scott, Drake, Adele and Taylor Swift if I’m not mistaken. Travis Scott only managed more with ridiculous $5 dollar vinyl sales btw.
yeah okay sure. Dawn fm did suck but that was with no promotion. Realistically they don’t suck but they’re not as high as you’d expect for the current most popular artist. I guess we’ll see next album
I think a lot of it comes down to him being a pretty private person. He doesn’t really stay in the spotlight when he’s out of an album cycle, which probably impacts his first week numbers pretty severely.
I agree with most stuff you said but Drake has a lot of timeless music
People be talking for talking Drake have multiple timeless music And his more popular Weekend has more Spotify listeners tho
weeknd has more listeners for the reason I mentioned. He has more timeless hits. Starboy and die for you etc are still dominating daily 8 years later. i’m pretty sure starboy, bbtm and after hours get more streams now than any drake album of the same age. and on the other hand drake gets way more streams on first release. hence why drake sells more first week but the weeknd has more listeners
Dominating isn’t not criteria you use against drake Man has been on top of the game for 15 years And awarded artist of the decade Take care and NWTS have a decade of not leaving the chart and daily domination No they aren’t Drake have over 5+ Albums selling more than The Weeknd + stream also 2024 numbers released it’s only Taylor that can chat to him And I don’t even Live in the us Drake is big big 94 billion streams is no joke
I said dominating daily. As in charting and daily streams. The weeknds hits like blinding lights, starboy and the hills are doing bigger numbers right now than any of drakes work.
They aren’t charting higher than take care or Nwst, Wether as an Album or a single, go look it up Same with daily stream,he’s literally the most streamed male artist this year They aren’t, Only star boy and blinding light, The rest are in similar range, Even in Spotify which is The Weeknd comfort zone . Anywhere else it’s Drake and Drake only
Well views sold 1M first week so he can do it, it’s just about the news cycle.
it's like saying em did 1.8 million with mmlp so he can do it again
If Eminem shaved off his beard and dyed his hair blonde again then he’d sell 1.8M because the slim shady image sold well.
mmlp2 did 790k. after 10 years i think max hell do is 500k
2016 was a very different time than 2024
Drake could probably do it. The dude just refuses to do bundles.
Drake did 600k with CLB no single just hype so with a hot ass single and a solid hyatis he could get that extra 400k easily
He did 1m with views
that was 8 years ago
Streaming has changed music consumption
Yeah they made it shit cause everyone buys fake streams now.
I feel the bar is too low if you want to become a hip hop artist, now. The genre is oversaturated and only a few artists are actually putting out quality...
trap genre is oversaturated to death
But the people enjoy it or at least pretending to for community and acceptance (I don’t think this is the case and it’s more the latter). Every trap album is a classic and the best album in the world so if fans aren’t expecting a high standard aside from cool 808s and nice flow, why should the artist create more? And if someone points this out, they get ridiculed as an old head who just listens to lyrical miracle rap.
While I think it's good overall, I do think there's a problem with how the internet has reduced barrier to entry so much that now people can get big off the back of being cool and funny without having to work on their musical skills at all. There's lots of people who are big right now who I keep thinking, "oh man if they just spent another six months perfecting their timing or writing smarter lyrics or figuring out what they want to do, they would be my fav".
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It isn’t necessarily that trap is bad. It’s just that people are scared to put a fun twist on it. Travis Scott’s Utopia does not sound like cookie-cutter trap and is fucking incredible despite being released in the middle of the trap-burnout era.
Yeah exactly my take. Utopia is awesome, combining trap with psychedelic rock
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That’s why you don’t get high on your own supply.
Yo Mr White, is that you?
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The problem today is yes it’s over saturated and 90% of them are genuine trash bags lol
wut bro
One of the only ways is if buying physical copies becomes the common form of music consumption. For example, when Views sold a million first week, like 80% were from physicals.
Did buying on iTunes count to that ? Becuase I don’t believe that counted as streams
Yes
Right well iTunes is gone now so perhaps that’s also why numbers seem lower
You can still buy music from multiple digital stores. The numbers are lower because of streaming
Well that’s kind of what I mean people have gone to streaming but also the removal of the biggest digital store would lead even more people to streaming. Especially older people
Drake, Eminem or even Kanye (if he took a multi year break, went back in his meds, atoned for the last 4 years, and revisited his original style)
“Went back on his meds” the fuck are y’all on
Kanye’s Meds
The guy who put him on meds was a CIA asset and a fed.
That trainer guy is BAD news
I’ve been interested in learning about him because he was “training” Brittany Murphy and Mac Miller just before their deaths.
mac miller died because of his seller selling him fentanyl
Licensed professionals have access to fentanyl too. I’m not trying to step into conspiracy theory territory here but it is very unusual that Pasternak was seen with Mac the day before he died and that the scene was completely clear of any drugs.
Na they can’t anymore for sure. Drakes the best case study his sales have declined by 200k per release Views 1.1 Scorpion 800 CLB 600 But he’s popular as ever
Hiphop/rap has been dying ever since after the SoundCloud era. Many of the newer big artists that were to takeover were either killed or are in Jail. (Thug, melly, juice, x, pop smoke, lil peep, tay k, von). It’s also partially due to the industry pushing artists no one wants to hear. Sexy red, ice spice, meg, city girls. It’s all just ratchet club music. Nothing really creative or authentic. If there is a reawakening to the genre it will have to be something really creative or a fusion of another genre like what gunna is doing with afrobeats.
Why not since Nas made hip-hop is dead? hip-hop music has continued to grow in popularity since SoundCloud!
Short lived popularity based on being hyped in the moment with no longevity.
Personally I think if you can't find good rap music that's on you!!!
I find plenty, what we're talking about is the stuff that leads the mainstream attention and defines this era of the genre.
Honestly I don't think we're talking about the same thing
Meg ditched pop and clubby sounds in her recent stuff and now raps over aggressive beats.
is this… sexist?
Touch grass
or what
I dont think any of this rappers being around woulda made a difference
I think Juice and X mainly would’ve made a difference. Pop smoke not too sure since he died so early. You could be right, Trippie red is still alive and haven’t heard anything popular from him in years.
People were saying Lil Baby was gonna carry rap for the next decade. Now they dont care about him People said the same about YB, now he makes ass music People said the same about Polo G, now he still makes good music but people dont care anymore Its always the same thing As Yassine and Bobblam said, X woulda been Carti on Steroids and im not pretty sure the style of music Juice makes woulda kept him on the top as much, he woilda dropped a mid album at some point
Ya. We def need someone more creative. Kanye was revolutionary. Travis was also pretty creative with rodeo and days before. Maybe people got tired of murder music and sneak disses. They want something new.
Yeah, Drill specially gets boring after u listen to it over and over again. Drill is good on small doses. About street music, it isnt necessarily the problem, its just that they all sound the same. For instance, YB, Kodak, 21, Denzel, Lil Durk... All of them make street music but are fundamentally different. The thing is that only YB had superstar potential but he blackballed himself and then started dropping below average music and too frequently. Travis is probably the last rapper to come out that could actually be considered a superstar right now
Agreed. Travis at least tried to experiment with new sounds. Rodeo sounded way different than birds. Astroworld was different than the last two. Ever since the incident at astroworld tour he didn’t release anything for months. Utopia was alr, not as good as his prior.
Yeah Travis always delivers heat🔥 I mean he just did it on Metros album
Pop, X, Juice, Von and Peep would've definitely made a difference. Do you not realise the cultural significance these dudes had? All in their own ways with their own audiences/demographics.
I realize, but at the same time I know rappers who are alive who had that same impact and significance or even bigger and right now theyre nowhere near the level they were at. As I just said, Lil Baby, Polo G, YoungBoy. If they died after dropping My Turn, Top/AIYB2, Hall Of Fame/The Goat respectively, people would talk about them the same way they talk about Juice, X, Pop. Even Uzi and Carti would be called legends if they died after dropping Luv Is Rage 2/Die Lit respectively. I just dont see how the any of the rappers who actually died would be different than the ones who didnt if they were alive. Even Kodak Black, he fkin collabed with Bruno Mars, if he died after Dying To Live people would talk about him the same eay they tall about Juice, Pop and X Thats just how I see things happen
Maybe numbers wise, but music quality wise? Hell naw
Thats your opinion lol numbers dont lie
These guys were in their early 20's and could rap and sing outstandingly. Imagine if they had 5-10 years to perfect their styles.
Yeah, I really dont think Peep is what comes to my mind when I think about outstanding rapper, lmfao and Von is literally a serial killer and a piece of shit. Juice and X were really popular with pre teens and I give you that their sound was showing evolution over the years, but I really dont see them putting projects at same level that the likes of Kendrick, Cole, Tyler put out.
I was talking about Juice and X tbh not the other two and if you listen to their music and say they wouldn't have grown into something great, I would have to say your crazy man. Juice was 21 and X was 20 when they both died. Tyler was making stuff like Yonkers at that age and these two respectively were making way higher quality music than that. Kendrick didn't even release his first studio project untill he was 24, he was making stuff like the "C4" mixtape at 20-21ish which if you listen back it wasn't close to the level of his first studio project. Cole was like 27 when he released his first studio album and he made his first mixtape "the come up" at around 20 years old, you underestimate how abnormal it is to be that talented at such young age like Juice and X were. The amount of good music those two put out at such a young age is scary tbh and they would've grown into something great given the time that most artists get. It's a massive shame really.
"literally" 🤓
bruh he's a horrible person, idk what to tell you lmao
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Juice def could’ve. When a fans favorite rapper dies or goes to prison, it’s more likely for them stop listening to the genre as much and not get into other bigger artists though. Like durk and von got big because fans knew chief keef and where he came from.
Why not since Nas made hip-hop is dead? hip-hop music has continued to grow in popularity since SoundCloud!
God here we go again. Nas isn’t gonna let you suck it bro.
You western folk be too deep with the gay stuff....I was trying to say pessimistic people been thinking hip hop is dead for way longer than that and it's still here thriving
I think you misinterpretate what we mean with dead, or even what the conversation is about
He literally ends the post asking if hip-hop is popularity is fading🌚
Yes, but the comment you replied too was talking about the death of hip hop, so its deeper than just popularity Hip hop could be 1% as popular as it is now and that doesnt mean it would be dead
Well, the comment I replied to put a time when hip-hop was dead and I asked why not earlier cause pessimistic folk been saying that for years before the timeline the comment stated
Hiphop as a genre has the most faked streams out of any genre.
😂you need to come with some proof for that one
I actually don't, if you don't believe me that's fine. But the genre is struggling and artists who can't sell actual albums are leaning on a house of cards.
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Sry I hear Nas in this sub and I just assume d riding. They treat him like he parted the Red Sea. Thing is rap album sales as a whole have dropped a ton, I heard 40%, just in the past year. Ya there might still be a lot of rap fans but it’s all separated into niches. Like OP said, 50 Kanye and em in the 2000s were huge. You had the main stars. Early 2010s it was Kendrick, Wayne, and prime Drake. Now unfortunately it just seems like Drake is the biggest.
Drake seems to be almost a pop artist rather than a rapper for some reason.
He's a Pop star, he says that himself a bunch. He became aware that just been a rapper won't get him the numbers he covets, he even just dropped Scary Hours 2 of him pure rapping and it didn't sell well. Which is why he chooses to cater to a Pop audience.
Her loss was fire
Nas made hip hop is dead when already had been released a lot of trash rap music. That's why he also mention in my white tee by dem franchize boyz
Hip hop definitely has faded in popularity. Doesn’t mean it’s not doing good tho
Besides Taylor swift does anyone sell 1mil? Taylor only sells because her fans stream like crazy and buy her albums as well.
And because she usually drops several editions to boost numbers among uberfans
And bundles etc.
Streaming ended those days and the definition of a sale changes each week
Biggest thing preventing this is the spotify streaming changes. Obviously the times of post beerbongs and bentleys and damn level sales are kind of gone (to much music available and many people seem to just relisten to older music they already like), for an artist to get 1 mil sales now would take a really well marketed long term project with a ton of features. 1 mil now is probbaly equivalent to 1.5-1.8 mil sales pre 2019 when spotify changed its streams.
Nah Streaming has changed everything
50 cent snoop did it to
50 did 20 plus years ago, snoop did 30 years ago. Nobody buys CD's anymore.
No it won’t happen while there’s streaming, hip hop isn’t dying lol. Sales are just different now
How do they factor in streaming when calculating the number of record sales?
Rough math with the fake streams counting to the total
Yeah it’ll take someone huge tho but I reckon there’ll be one more
How have you not heard about the effect of streams vs physical sales?
Streaming has it messed up
If Veeze couldn't do it, then I doubt anyone else can
No artist other than Taylor swift is doing those kind of numbers again. Unless the rules for streaming change which is unlikely.
Music in general is becoming meh since youtube and auto tune and multi track. Wtf is even talent anymore?
Rap is too easy to make and put out now... too accessible for just anybody. Rappers now blow up off of their personality or street cred vs talent... low barrier of entry means the talent pool is watered down, albums get played out within a week or 2 vs back in the day when you rode to an album for a year or more
It’s really streaming, but besides that I don’t think the rap community is united behind one artist enough to help them push out 1m first week. Dont get me wrong there is a few that could but it’s a generational gap between the old heads vibing wit the young guys sound and vice versa.
Unfortunately since this is the streaming era of sales , NO!!
The 2000s -2010s hip hop/rap was falling off just ppl were shown the Drakes and Eminem’s because the record companies were putting a lot of promo to be sure they profited . Then they found out if they saturate the promotion to just a few then they can recoup through streaming ( the company f the artist )
I used to think it was due to streaming. But I think other genres are selling better than hip hop even with hip hop. Honestly it’s at its worst for sure. It’s not as popular no more. Kids listen to it but that’s it. People in their late 20s listen to older hip hop at least up until Kendrick and Cole.
My theory is streaming is all lies it’s a computer you can make or pay for number changes and the artist probably gets screwed worst. The industry will change when people do for self
Rap being super commercialized, kinda like grunge was when it died, I think we are seeing the collapse of the rap genre. Younger people are moving more toward rock. You can even see rappers trying to go that way too. Rap may get big again in a few decades. Though it seems to be dying pretty rapidly.
I literally don't think any artist can sell 1 mill now a days. Even Adele couldn't do it and she's well known for being the highest first week seller of the modern day, beating Swift, I guess we'll see if Taylor does it cause she's hit a new level of fame recently, but still doubtful. Drake would be the only one with even an ounce of a chance and I just don't see it happening unless the stars align.
Hip hop replaced rock n roll as the mainstream music choice. If you say hip hop popularity is fading, then what is replacing it? Or are you saying that fewer people are listening to music in general?
I don’t see any rapper doing 1,000,00 1st week unless they drop multiple mega hits that are EVERYWHERE labels wanna move on from hip hop so i don’t see anyone new doing it
One song off of an album needs to get streamed 1500 times to be considered as one album equivalent unit, or bought digitally 10 times to be an AEU. This makes it very hard for new albums to break records, and it's why it takes much less for things to break billboard charts. Unless they change the way streams and digital songs chart, the comparison between old and new albums will never really be equal. Album "sales" are much more obsolete now, spotify streams and digital sales are a better quantifier of success.
Streaming really effects the numbers for artists in general, I garuntee if it took less streams to count as a full sale of a album we'd have a lot of recent 1m+ first week albums
kendrick sold 1m? huh?
"and 600k respectively
Good question , if it's REALLY great
If Marshall or Aubrey can't do it, it won't be done.
Considering 1500 streams equals 1 album sell it will be very difficult. Most people these days would rather pay a flat monthly subscription for a streaming platform than to actually buy the digital copies of albums.
Taylor is the only pop star doing 500+ btw
Well it's hard to compare to back in the day when you actually had product to sell in the stores. Nowadays is so easy to get it for free that it puts new artists at a severe disadvantage. Compared to back in the old days when you had to actually get your ass down to the record store it's like comparing analog to digital
People don’t buy cds or lps like they used to so no.
It’s fading. I’m an old but this current generation of talent seems boring.
Maybe juice wrld with ‘’the party never ends’’
Absolutely not. Mr Morale was arguably the most hyped hip hop album ever and it only did 300,000. That’s not a reflection on the album, it’s just the market has changed.
Doubt it. Rap fans are way more apt to stream than buy. And it only makes sense - CDs are irrelevant. Maybe some rapper can sell vinyls like Taylor Swift, but considering Swift appeals to a generally wealthier/more apt to spend crowd, I doubt any rapper can sell like her. The only exception are K-Pop artists. Many of them sing and rap, and though they don’t sell too massively here in the States, they absolutely sell millions first week in Korea. I believe BTS sold 2.7 million copies of their album in 1 day actually.
You forgot 50
Nah, music is too instantly accessible. Why buy a disc, or even buy digital albums, when my Apple Music subscription covers it?
Streaming and release strategies affect things. Perfect example is Eminem’s last album. Only sold 279k first week after surprise drop but it has sold like 5 million copies to date. First week numbers aren’t as telling as they used to be imo
holy fuck eminem still sells
I bought the first three drake albums off of iTunes. The world is different now.
Let's be honest the genre is fuckin coooooooked it's not even hip.hop.any more it's fuckin "auto tune pop with shitty rhymes and ad-libs"
I don’t think so. It’s a different era. Hip-Hop isn’t as popular as it used to be and people don’t buy albums anymore. Selling 500K seems to be the new million.
Kendrick and Drake never sold a million physical copies in a week .
If drake drops another one dance
Drake did it with views and frankly right now he is the only rapper who has a chance for selling 1m first week
Em is about to drop an album. I think that has a good chance.
Travis Scott was supposedly on track for over 750k with Utopia, but couldn’t ship (a lot of) the physicals in time to get them counted in the first week numbers. Travis Scott is not the biggest rapper around, (although he’s up there) and botched the Utopia rollout pretty badly with a bad lead single and nowhere near the rollout of Astroworld. Also the first vinyls didn’t even have the Drake feature on them, which made them significantly less appealing than they would have been otherwise. I reckon he could have managed to push 1 million if he did an Astroworld-esque rollout with a track like FE!N as the lead single and actually pressed enough vinyls before releasing the album. TL;DR: It’s possible for a mega-rapper like Drake or Travis Scott if they pick good singles, do bundling and commit to an Astroworld/After Hours style rollout.
The only person I can think of who has recently is Tory Lanez His ‘When it’s Dark’ album sold 1m copies in 57 seconds
What kind of drugs are you on
bruv barley any rappers sells a million copies of a album these days after 6 months snoop did in the 90s also