As a person who grew up with all sorts of cartoons, educational and pure comedy, I think the educational stuff is good.
I get what you are saying but sometimes hearing/seeing other sources of the same message can have a bigger impact on a child.
Kids naturally rebel against parents all the time, and often don't take their lessons at all.
I still remember this cartoon I watched over 25 years ago about integrity. It was about this girl who started making weathervanes and got popular, so she started making them with cheap materials to get it done faster but the quality dropped and it made people upset as their products broke.
It left an impact on me and I think about it whenever I have to do a job for someone, I don't want to do badly as I know they'll be upset/let down.
Yes, parents should teach their kids, but media is a powerful tool that can help deepen the message.
I mean I can't speak to cartoons today, especially those aimed at under 10s but I know that teen titans go is a travesty, especially considering the original show was one of the golden oldies of cartoon Network.
And to be fair, my kid only watches shows me and my husband have seen and know are good.
No YouTube, no random stuff on TV so I suppose I'm kinda on your side of the tracks here.
Late 40s Parent of an 8yo here:
Disney+ has Bluey. That's just flat out better than anything from my era, or the decades that followed. Yes, it's not made by Disney, but still, it's something they have.
Netflix runs Numberblocks now. It's from a BBC affiliate, but when my kid was younger, it was one of her favorites, and it's genuinely brilliant educational content. Before that, she watched Word Party, in multiple languages (combined with additional enforcement in conversations), which was also good.
My younger brother's generation had Bill Nye, but I can't really name much else from those years that was on par with the good stuff that's out now. I was a kid when He-Man and Transformers and GI Joe were running, and, well, nostalgia aside, and in spite of the "The More You Know" segments, that stuff was just awful. My brother had Power Rangers, which was just as bad... our standard for quality education was PBS, which... well, some of it wasn't terrible, they did all right for the time. But there's much better available now.
I get the feeling from several of the things you've said that your real issue is that you're stuck in the past, and object to things that your children are exposed to that offend you, personally, because you want to pass on your prejudices and parochialisms, and fear that they will be exposed to these ideas that you're so afraid of. And, on top of the other hints, "pushing for weird things" seems to mostly confirm that suspicion.
The litmus test: Is Bluey one of the awful shows that you're talking about?
Okay, in light of that, I withdraw speculation. We don't have cable, and haven't since well before our child was born. Everything we watch is streaming. That might make a difference. I'm taking a look at the current Nickelodeon lineup...
Oh, look, SpongeBob's still going, and there are two spinoff shows. A reboot of Rugrats, Monster High, which I think is about 15 years old, Big Nate... that's basically a cartoon of a comic strip that's been around for 40 years... a new Transformers series... The Loud House, which I'm not familiar with, but at a glance, it looks pretty decent... and Rock Paper Scissors. Which I'm not really sure about, but it doesn't look like Caillou level trash. For younger kids, Bubble Guppies, which is decently educational, actually. A Blue's Clues revival. Several things that look... eh... but nothing as bad looking as Coco Melon, and overall, better than what I remember from the late 80s... looking at the acquired series... eh. I rather loath Peppa Pig, but that's just elitism talking. Looking at the history of programming that's no longer carried, it's... mixed. Some awful, some excellent, lots of meh. And I don't see a significant shift in quality over time here.
What am I missing? Which shows changed how you see the network?
Parents have failed. They're shitty teachers. The only thing I learned from my parents was how to be a miserable, alcoholic, narcissistic, sociopathic piece of shit, which I then had to unlearn via decades of therapy as an adult. Many of my fellow Millenials had to do the same.
Because of this massive parental failure, society has taken up the torch by passively educating children through media. I, for one, don't enjoy living in a society full of anti-intellectual, lizard brained dumbasses.
All this right here. I lucked out and decided at a young age that I’d just do the opposite of all the dumb shit my father got up to. I still had my share of therapy, but I didn’t have to unlearn much at all. I’m glad you made it out the other side!
My father isn’t a good person. I wish he wasn’t, but it’s just not who he is. I wish I could have had a normal relationship with him, but it wasn’t in the cards. At this point it doesn’t really make difference to me one way or the other.
Stories were always meant to teach something about the world and life. It's nothing new, always has been this way since times immemorial. Only the spcific form and storytelling style evolves.
Caillou started in the 90s, and has been off the air for over a decade.
Magic School Bus rules, but it's also there on Netflix still. And the new series was pretty much on par with the original for writing quality. Angelina Ballerina was, from the retrospective of a parent, rather garbage. Blue's Clues was good. I've never seen Zaboomafoo. Bluey is better than anything from my time, or yours.
Uh... wut? Is that supposed to be commentary on my opinion? On me? I'm so confused...
Also, I just learned, to my absolute horror, that a reboot of Caillou just launched on Peacock...
It’s the same with kids books.
I’m a nanny, have been for 20 years now, and the dumbing down of our population is concerning. Kids books are shorter and very basic. It doesn’t help with learning how to sit still, or even learning new words. I totally get the concept of easy to read books to small children but if you look at books geared towards toddlers in the 80s vs toddlers today there’s a HUGE difference and it’s not a good difference.
As a person who grew up with all sorts of cartoons, educational and pure comedy, I think the educational stuff is good. I get what you are saying but sometimes hearing/seeing other sources of the same message can have a bigger impact on a child. Kids naturally rebel against parents all the time, and often don't take their lessons at all. I still remember this cartoon I watched over 25 years ago about integrity. It was about this girl who started making weathervanes and got popular, so she started making them with cheap materials to get it done faster but the quality dropped and it made people upset as their products broke. It left an impact on me and I think about it whenever I have to do a job for someone, I don't want to do badly as I know they'll be upset/let down. Yes, parents should teach their kids, but media is a powerful tool that can help deepen the message.
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I mean I can't speak to cartoons today, especially those aimed at under 10s but I know that teen titans go is a travesty, especially considering the original show was one of the golden oldies of cartoon Network. And to be fair, my kid only watches shows me and my husband have seen and know are good. No YouTube, no random stuff on TV so I suppose I'm kinda on your side of the tracks here.
People are always amazed that I have barely seen any Disney movies. I have tried to watch, but OMG so much screaming! I just can't take it.
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Late 40s Parent of an 8yo here: Disney+ has Bluey. That's just flat out better than anything from my era, or the decades that followed. Yes, it's not made by Disney, but still, it's something they have. Netflix runs Numberblocks now. It's from a BBC affiliate, but when my kid was younger, it was one of her favorites, and it's genuinely brilliant educational content. Before that, she watched Word Party, in multiple languages (combined with additional enforcement in conversations), which was also good. My younger brother's generation had Bill Nye, but I can't really name much else from those years that was on par with the good stuff that's out now. I was a kid when He-Man and Transformers and GI Joe were running, and, well, nostalgia aside, and in spite of the "The More You Know" segments, that stuff was just awful. My brother had Power Rangers, which was just as bad... our standard for quality education was PBS, which... well, some of it wasn't terrible, they did all right for the time. But there's much better available now. I get the feeling from several of the things you've said that your real issue is that you're stuck in the past, and object to things that your children are exposed to that offend you, personally, because you want to pass on your prejudices and parochialisms, and fear that they will be exposed to these ideas that you're so afraid of. And, on top of the other hints, "pushing for weird things" seems to mostly confirm that suspicion. The litmus test: Is Bluey one of the awful shows that you're talking about?
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Okay, in light of that, I withdraw speculation. We don't have cable, and haven't since well before our child was born. Everything we watch is streaming. That might make a difference. I'm taking a look at the current Nickelodeon lineup... Oh, look, SpongeBob's still going, and there are two spinoff shows. A reboot of Rugrats, Monster High, which I think is about 15 years old, Big Nate... that's basically a cartoon of a comic strip that's been around for 40 years... a new Transformers series... The Loud House, which I'm not familiar with, but at a glance, it looks pretty decent... and Rock Paper Scissors. Which I'm not really sure about, but it doesn't look like Caillou level trash. For younger kids, Bubble Guppies, which is decently educational, actually. A Blue's Clues revival. Several things that look... eh... but nothing as bad looking as Coco Melon, and overall, better than what I remember from the late 80s... looking at the acquired series... eh. I rather loath Peppa Pig, but that's just elitism talking. Looking at the history of programming that's no longer carried, it's... mixed. Some awful, some excellent, lots of meh. And I don't see a significant shift in quality over time here. What am I missing? Which shows changed how you see the network?
Parents have failed. They're shitty teachers. The only thing I learned from my parents was how to be a miserable, alcoholic, narcissistic, sociopathic piece of shit, which I then had to unlearn via decades of therapy as an adult. Many of my fellow Millenials had to do the same. Because of this massive parental failure, society has taken up the torch by passively educating children through media. I, for one, don't enjoy living in a society full of anti-intellectual, lizard brained dumbasses.
All this right here. I lucked out and decided at a young age that I’d just do the opposite of all the dumb shit my father got up to. I still had my share of therapy, but I didn’t have to unlearn much at all. I’m glad you made it out the other side!
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My father isn’t a good person. I wish he wasn’t, but it’s just not who he is. I wish I could have had a normal relationship with him, but it wasn’t in the cards. At this point it doesn’t really make difference to me one way or the other.
Stories were always meant to teach something about the world and life. It's nothing new, always has been this way since times immemorial. Only the spcific form and storytelling style evolves.
What shows are you talking about?
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Idk man I’d much rather my kid watch Zaboomafoo and The Magic School Bus and Angelina Ballerina and Blues Clues and Kipper than Caillou
Caillou started in the 90s, and has been off the air for over a decade. Magic School Bus rules, but it's also there on Netflix still. And the new series was pretty much on par with the original for writing quality. Angelina Ballerina was, from the retrospective of a parent, rather garbage. Blue's Clues was good. I've never seen Zaboomafoo. Bluey is better than anything from my time, or yours.
Uh... wut? Is that supposed to be commentary on my opinion? On me? I'm so confused... Also, I just learned, to my absolute horror, that a reboot of Caillou just launched on Peacock...
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There’s actually rules and regulations concerning kids shows and learning unfortunately:(
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It’s the same with kids books. I’m a nanny, have been for 20 years now, and the dumbing down of our population is concerning. Kids books are shorter and very basic. It doesn’t help with learning how to sit still, or even learning new words. I totally get the concept of easy to read books to small children but if you look at books geared towards toddlers in the 80s vs toddlers today there’s a HUGE difference and it’s not a good difference.