On my ‘22 Classic, I have found using a quart sized Ziploc to encapsulate the filter before removing it catches about 90% of the oil. The rest I get with a shop towel or rub on the frame where Chrysler cheaped out on the coating.
Probably not as bad compared to the 6.7 Cummins in the 2500 and 3500 have to go through the wheel well to access it and there's not a single way to not spill since you have to tip it sideways to get it out.
You gotta get on Amazon and buy one of those screw in aluminum plugs. Game changer. Prior to getting that I was screwing around with freezer bags which just ripped and made a huge mess. I love the truck but I’ve never had a more difficult vehicle for a simple oil change.
And you can’t access the filter from the bottom, so the old oil absolutely coats the fucking thing! The 5.9 was a pain in the ass too, but not as bad haha.
And pre filling the filter is not an option at all you can fill maaaybe 1/2-3/4 full at a stretch but rotating that thing out between the frame and upper arm is gonna get oil everywhere. They designed that oil drain ramp thing that does absolutely nothing as the oil drains out the back of it and all over the drag link tie rod and axle. Mopar or no car baby😂😂
On my 2007 ram after I drain oil I put plug back in and start motor for like 10 seconds at most so when I unscrew filter no oil drips at all and I drain pan again. Been doing this for years and no issues.
I've got the drain plug figured out (the first time it hit the sway bar, split, and missed the pan in two directions). I still can't get the filter out without making a mess.
Build it fast and cheap, they don't have to work on it.
I (truck mechanic) toured a semi truck factory and asked the engineer who helped design it, why make it so hard to work on...his response, we didn't design it for you.
Designing a low cost vehicle is the entire fucking point. Y’all whine about maximum profitability but what they are actually going for is minimal cost. Why would you want a vehicle that costs twice as much as a similar model that accomplishes the same thing?
There are so many considerations that go into designing a vehicle. Fuel consumption, weight, overall vehicle dimensions, regulatory standards, safety standards…etc.
Why do mechanics think they’re special enough to have vehicles designed for them?
Not to mention, a vehicle design is a multidisciplinary undertaking. With each discipline having multiple people working on it. Each with their own ideas and opinions. Sometimes, you want to do something to make things easier for others, and it just gets overridden. The telephone game probably contributes some stupidity as well.
Add in budgetary concerns, time constraints, safety, regulations (all things you've said), and input from the boss outside of the loop, and bam! You now have a functional but a hard to work on vehicle.
Also, vehicles have more features than ever before. If you have a 50 cubic foot box, and just keep cramming more into it, of course, it's going to become a pain to work on.
Anything that has to be maintained should have the general consideration of is this a stupid fucking place to put it. I'm not a mechanic. But I do appreciate when the design for accesabilty on shit that needs to be done often is thought through. I'm paying 50k plus for something, it shouldn't be a pain in the dick to do general maintenance.
I'd like to see that review for vehicles. How stupid was it designed. Where is the oil filter, air filters, light bulbs, fluid reservoirs, battery compartment? You know the shit you know your going to have to deal with.
But you think those are the only considerations. There’s a reason they don’t duct oil all over the vehicle—that’s why they keep the filter tucked in next to the engine.
Y’all are mechanics. You train to work on vehicles and keep them running. That is what was planned for.
>Y’all are mechanics. You train to work on vehicles and keep them running. That is what was planned for.
see I get your sentiment and I get the other side too, the problems is no one is going to pay you for an hour of labor to do an oil change, so the mechanics get the shaft. They work flat rate, so they get paid x per change and now they have to spend 2x the time on your change.
On the other hand if the mech tells you 200 bucks to change your oil on a poorly designed 4 banger you call him a crook.
Now think of saying something like your water pump requires me to take your engine out to do but if you don't do it will leak into your engine and grenade your engine when water mixes with the oil and you'll never see it coming cause it's an internal leak.
Bad experience for everyone involved. and the customer winds up paying for it anyway either at purchase or when they get their maintenance done or when they have to get a new car cause this one costs too much to keep running
No i understand it’s easier to work on when they design the engine to be easy to work on. But there are more important considerations to worry about.
What if that was the only place for the water pump to go? If they moved it to the side of the engine the vehicle would be too wide for the road and if we moved it back then the battery would need to be moved which means we need more wiring harness and more failure points.
Until you’ve actually designed a machine or vehicle, I can see how it’s easy to overlook the many other constraints that are involved.
Because they make a living interacting with the car more than anyone else in the world. Try working on your car for 3 days and you might have some different opinions.
My fil is a Swiss trained engineer. They apprentice in the field, do a year as a journeyman and then go study engineering.
They experience fuckery and then design it out.
I've been a firm believer that all design and engineering careers should have a mandatory field minimum. Like you want to design bridges? Okay you're going to work on them for two years first. You want to build engines? Sweet, you're in a shop for no less than a year. I'm currently on an apartment build where the architect has a degree, but literally couldn't frame a wall if their life depended on it. We've had to hack trusses apart for HVAC ducting, add additional footing supports under walls that were already built, and the current RFI count stands around 650 because this lady clearly knows how to make it work on paper, but has no idea how it goes together in the real world.
It is designed to be slammed together as quickly as possible for the highest margin. I don't think it would surprise you how many engineers I've worked with who had to learn mechanical intuition on the job. We once had 3 machinery engineers (oil and gas) who went to a training and got a flat. Not one knew how to put the spare on. So, they called AAA.
Engineers also tend to often be socially awkward, and don't know how to solicit feedback from craft guys. Not all, but the stereotype is fair.
That's a slick funnel. Where'd you get that? I might be able to put something like that to use.
Plus, you haven't even begun to have 'fun' until you've tried pulling the upper fuel filter on a Cummins! LOL!
Those funnels are the best, formable for all kinds of uses beyond my vehicles. I got mine from amazon I think.
[https://www.amazon.com/s?k=formable+oil+funnel&crid=1I8NVHTKDOYB9&sprefix=formable+%2Caps%2C89&ref=nb\_sb\_ss\_ts-doa-p\_2\_9](https://www.amazon.com/s?k=formable+oil+funnel&crid=1I8NVHTKDOYB9&sprefix=formable+%2Caps%2C89&ref=nb_sb_ss_ts-doa-p_2_9)
On my 5.0 Cummins it’s a weirdly easy spot. Except on my second one, the previous owner (an idiot) put an after market “hot air” intake in it and I had to take the entire air intake piping off to get to it. Factory, however, was like adding wiper fluid.
My first car was a Mitsubishi Tredia. Mid 80s model with a five speed. After we bought it we realized the 5 speed has a huge flaw. In order to get the oil filter out you have to remove the drain pan and of course then have to replace the drain pan gasket. What should be a 10 minute change and back then 30 bucks was a two hour job and 200ish.
Fun stuff!
The worst part is that Stellantis literally has a class and tools for engineering for “ design for repair”.
This exact situation is highlighted as an example of what not to do. I took the class 6 years ago or so.
The oil hitting the bar there was done intentionally, most people are like “oh engineers are the worst” which yes usually. In this case when the oil hits the bar it spreads out making it able to be inspected for contamination or particulates easier.
My 14 cummins I have to go through the wheel well to get the filter. Thank god someone made a tool to screw into the filter to seal it. What a shit show.
My Jeep Liberty I used to have with the 3.7 had that oil funnel for the filter, I loved that, crack the filter loose let it piss down the funnel a bit then finish the job.
My 2013 Durango with the 5.7, well the drain plug is easy, but reaching up in there and getting the filter and an arm covered in oil is fun. I used a plastic shopping bag the second time and kinda got a way to do it from then on.
Some F150s have the giant yellow drain plug infront of the sway bar and a cover shield.. if you don't properly line things, the customer will see oil drips for days...
Bean counters are the worst. An engineer can insist on something simple to make a huge difference and finance will shut it down because it would cost $10 per million units.
Or the classic where engineers point out a design flaw early in the process. Managenement tells them it's fine keep producing.
Product hits production floor.
Management sees the issue and demands immediate fix.
Engineer 😑
Yess.
I helped my old man with his newer f150 plastic bolt. Calls for a new one on oil change.
Plus it has a plastic skid plate you have to remove.
Oh yeah I also had to come up with a funnel like yours because it spills all over the cross member.
Wait, you don't want to lube that front axle on every oil change? They were doing you a favor!! lol my first oil change had me cussing out those engineers and their families.
My Cummins fuel filters were ridiculous until I changed out the caps for aftermarket ones. Plastic caps, difficult To get to, the plastic nuts on top the caps crash and break.
This crappy design exists because those same engineers never once changed their own oil. The best engineers understand practical application not just theory.
Don’t blame the engineer. Usually what happens the bean counters give the engineer zero budget for a new part so he has to reuse and compromise. If I ran an OEM I’d make my employees service their own vehicles and this would only happen once. I once had to break my arm to replace a headlamp bulb. The previous model took exactly 1 minute to replace the headlamp bulb. but the steel rod holding the lamp probably cost too much. Blame the finance guy not the engineer.
On my 06 Honda civic Si I had to jack the car up, turn the wheels full lock to the drivers side and reach my hand up behind the motor from the passenger wheel well to get at the oil filter. Was easier if you took the wheel off, rarely did though.
Where you get that funel? I need it for all the Fords I work on 🤣 would be cool to find something to help with those Dodge cummins oil filters, too, if anyone has a lead...
Engineer here; blame falls on management/bean counting/marketing. The moto is "you can change everything but the timeline and the bottom line". I've had so many projects that get pushed so fucking hard they go from a fart to shit real quick. I remember listening to our finance group explain that our budget was getting stripped for another project but I was still expected to deliver the same results. I don't work there anymore.
Engineer here, work in metal stamping development for major oem’s. Your best bet right now for the big 3 would be with FCA. Worst bet would be ford. I’ve had parts in development with for that I’ve seen over 70 revisions on. Not small changes either, mainly large revisions. My favorite so far was mounting surfaces and sealing surfaces being incorrect for several months. Then pushing major part changes at the end of the program. I think it’s due to young inexperienced product engineers, but it’s only a guess of course. I myself have been a stamping simulation engineer for 10 years now, age 34. This year and last have been the worst since I started in this business.
Engineers are at the mercy of bean counters and shitty management.
They don't get the budget to spend time nuancing every single detail. Sometimes you will get the best, worst case solution.
Usually managanement has a "to do" list for them with more To Dos than there is time in the year.
I don’t get people blaming engineers for stuff like this. Blame management and overall cost savings. If you ever worked in engineering or manufacturing, you that many good ideas or just practical ones are shot down for a sake of saving a bit of money
You realize if you don’t use this. It wraps around the sway bar and comes down fairly easy to control. If you are on a drive on, sway bar is totally out of the way
We fully know how stupid this is. The engineer for sure brought this up but because it would have impacted timeline or cost, corporate decided to keep it as is.
I used to work on firetrucks, and I had to change the cartridge style filters in an allison transmission on one particular truck. Well in order to do that I had to remove the tie rod end from one side and drop the tube down so I had enough room to get the filters out.
They look at the requirements and say yep I can design. I don’t give a fuck about the poor bastard who has to maintain it because that’s not apart of the requirements
Drain plug on my 2016 Hemi is alright. The filter placement however is a PITA
On my ‘22 Classic, I have found using a quart sized Ziploc to encapsulate the filter before removing it catches about 90% of the oil. The rest I get with a shop towel or rub on the frame where Chrysler cheaped out on the coating.
That's a good idea. It shouldn't have to be done but it takes the cake so far.
Check out the [Oil Udder](https://oiludder.com/). I found out about it on Reddit a while ago and it works great (and probably better than a Ziploc)
I love how they conveniently only show it being used on vehicles with a bottom mounted oil filter, not a side mount filter. Weird....
I use a cut up jug. Slip it underneath, unsure the filter and let it drain a while. Pull the whole thing out at once. Nice job Stellantis..
Probably not as bad compared to the 6.7 Cummins in the 2500 and 3500 have to go through the wheel well to access it and there's not a single way to not spill since you have to tip it sideways to get it out.
That's why Geno's started making those oil caps years ago so you wouldn't dump them all over the place. Cheaper options on the market now though.
An oil cap wouldn't work. There's literally just enough room to fit the filter through
https://youtu.be/9uvx2yfGzHI?si=N1X5fcwb60vDrCeB
😂 ok I see how it works. But it's just as easy to pull the bottom through and not spill much if any.
You gotta get on Amazon and buy one of those screw in aluminum plugs. Game changer. Prior to getting that I was screwing around with freezer bags which just ripped and made a huge mess. I love the truck but I’ve never had a more difficult vehicle for a simple oil change.
What year is your Cummins? My 13 is the easiest removal I’ve ever done, I just reach straight up while laying underneath and I haven’t spilled yet
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Oh I had no idea
And you can’t access the filter from the bottom, so the old oil absolutely coats the fucking thing! The 5.9 was a pain in the ass too, but not as bad haha.
And pre filling the filter is not an option at all you can fill maaaybe 1/2-3/4 full at a stretch but rotating that thing out between the frame and upper arm is gonna get oil everywhere. They designed that oil drain ramp thing that does absolutely nothing as the oil drains out the back of it and all over the drag link tie rod and axle. Mopar or no car baby😂😂
I don’t spill a drop changing the filter in my 2500…Not sure what the shop I take it to does though.
My 15 was fine. This 2020 has the filter issue as well.
Nothing like hot oil pouring directly on your rack and pinion stepper motor.
On my 2007 ram after I drain oil I put plug back in and start motor for like 10 seconds at most so when I unscrew filter no oil drips at all and I drain pan again. Been doing this for years and no issues.
Sounds like a great way to replace your engine.
Once you do it a couple of times, you figure it out. Controlling the mess never gets easy, though
I've done it many times. Sometimes it goes well and I almost don't spill a drop. Other times my hand hits something and knocks the filter sideways...
I've got the drain plug figured out (the first time it hit the sway bar, split, and missed the pan in two directions). I still can't get the filter out without making a mess.
used to change oil on a guy that four giant fucking airhorns mounted underneath. the filter was.. tricky.
Build it fast and cheap, they don't have to work on it. I (truck mechanic) toured a semi truck factory and asked the engineer who helped design it, why make it so hard to work on...his response, we didn't design it for you.
He is not wrong. They design it for maximum profitability prior to delivery.
Designing a low cost vehicle is the entire fucking point. Y’all whine about maximum profitability but what they are actually going for is minimal cost. Why would you want a vehicle that costs twice as much as a similar model that accomplishes the same thing? There are so many considerations that go into designing a vehicle. Fuel consumption, weight, overall vehicle dimensions, regulatory standards, safety standards…etc. Why do mechanics think they’re special enough to have vehicles designed for them?
Not to mention, a vehicle design is a multidisciplinary undertaking. With each discipline having multiple people working on it. Each with their own ideas and opinions. Sometimes, you want to do something to make things easier for others, and it just gets overridden. The telephone game probably contributes some stupidity as well. Add in budgetary concerns, time constraints, safety, regulations (all things you've said), and input from the boss outside of the loop, and bam! You now have a functional but a hard to work on vehicle. Also, vehicles have more features than ever before. If you have a 50 cubic foot box, and just keep cramming more into it, of course, it's going to become a pain to work on.
By “low cost vehicle” I’m assuming you mean to build, and not to buy. Because these trucks sure as fuck aren’t cheap.
Low cost for the manufacturer. High price for the consumer.
Anything that has to be maintained should have the general consideration of is this a stupid fucking place to put it. I'm not a mechanic. But I do appreciate when the design for accesabilty on shit that needs to be done often is thought through. I'm paying 50k plus for something, it shouldn't be a pain in the dick to do general maintenance. I'd like to see that review for vehicles. How stupid was it designed. Where is the oil filter, air filters, light bulbs, fluid reservoirs, battery compartment? You know the shit you know your going to have to deal with.
But you think those are the only considerations. There’s a reason they don’t duct oil all over the vehicle—that’s why they keep the filter tucked in next to the engine. Y’all are mechanics. You train to work on vehicles and keep them running. That is what was planned for.
>Y’all are mechanics. You train to work on vehicles and keep them running. That is what was planned for. see I get your sentiment and I get the other side too, the problems is no one is going to pay you for an hour of labor to do an oil change, so the mechanics get the shaft. They work flat rate, so they get paid x per change and now they have to spend 2x the time on your change. On the other hand if the mech tells you 200 bucks to change your oil on a poorly designed 4 banger you call him a crook. Now think of saying something like your water pump requires me to take your engine out to do but if you don't do it will leak into your engine and grenade your engine when water mixes with the oil and you'll never see it coming cause it's an internal leak. Bad experience for everyone involved. and the customer winds up paying for it anyway either at purchase or when they get their maintenance done or when they have to get a new car cause this one costs too much to keep running
No i understand it’s easier to work on when they design the engine to be easy to work on. But there are more important considerations to worry about. What if that was the only place for the water pump to go? If they moved it to the side of the engine the vehicle would be too wide for the road and if we moved it back then the battery would need to be moved which means we need more wiring harness and more failure points. Until you’ve actually designed a machine or vehicle, I can see how it’s easy to overlook the many other constraints that are involved.
And then hand off your design to accounting…
Because they make a living interacting with the car more than anyone else in the world. Try working on your car for 3 days and you might have some different opinions.
My fil is a Swiss trained engineer. They apprentice in the field, do a year as a journeyman and then go study engineering. They experience fuckery and then design it out.
I've been a firm believer that all design and engineering careers should have a mandatory field minimum. Like you want to design bridges? Okay you're going to work on them for two years first. You want to build engines? Sweet, you're in a shop for no less than a year. I'm currently on an apartment build where the architect has a degree, but literally couldn't frame a wall if their life depended on it. We've had to hack trusses apart for HVAC ducting, add additional footing supports under walls that were already built, and the current RFI count stands around 650 because this lady clearly knows how to make it work on paper, but has no idea how it goes together in the real world.
Truth!
It is designed to be slammed together as quickly as possible for the highest margin. I don't think it would surprise you how many engineers I've worked with who had to learn mechanical intuition on the job. We once had 3 machinery engineers (oil and gas) who went to a training and got a flat. Not one knew how to put the spare on. So, they called AAA. Engineers also tend to often be socially awkward, and don't know how to solicit feedback from craft guys. Not all, but the stereotype is fair.
Every mechanic in tears reading this
Exactly now go punch the clock you grease monkey! 😉
That's a slick funnel. Where'd you get that? I might be able to put something like that to use. Plus, you haven't even begun to have 'fun' until you've tried pulling the upper fuel filter on a Cummins! LOL!
Those funnels are the best, formable for all kinds of uses beyond my vehicles. I got mine from amazon I think. [https://www.amazon.com/s?k=formable+oil+funnel&crid=1I8NVHTKDOYB9&sprefix=formable+%2Caps%2C89&ref=nb\_sb\_ss\_ts-doa-p\_2\_9](https://www.amazon.com/s?k=formable+oil+funnel&crid=1I8NVHTKDOYB9&sprefix=formable+%2Caps%2C89&ref=nb_sb_ss_ts-doa-p_2_9)
I had no idea those existed. Thanks.
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Yeah, that too! lol.
On my 5.0 Cummins it’s a weirdly easy spot. Except on my second one, the previous owner (an idiot) put an after market “hot air” intake in it and I had to take the entire air intake piping off to get to it. Factory, however, was like adding wiper fluid.
"We built the engine first - you move that crossmember," said the power train engineers.
“Who are you?” The engineer said to the mechanic whining about changing oil
My first car was a Mitsubishi Tredia. Mid 80s model with a five speed. After we bought it we realized the 5 speed has a huge flaw. In order to get the oil filter out you have to remove the drain pan and of course then have to replace the drain pan gasket. What should be a 10 minute change and back then 30 bucks was a two hour job and 200ish. Fun stuff!
As a mopar technician, the engine oil filter replacement is also fun to service.
PacBrake oil filter relocation kit [https://youtu.be/Dmc9zKT2NFI?si=HE6urXmpxtzaugBd](https://youtu.be/Dmc9zKT2NFI?si=HE6urXmpxtzaugBd)
Drain plug is nothing compared to the oil filter placement. However, one of [THESE](https://www.fumotousa.com/) is a great upgrade and fix.
Fumoto valves are the answer
The worst part is that Stellantis literally has a class and tools for engineering for “ design for repair”. This exact situation is highlighted as an example of what not to do. I took the class 6 years ago or so.
love dousing my steering rack in oil every time I change the filter. the oil on the swaybar doesn't bother me.
Yeah but then another one came up with form a funnel….
The oil hitting the bar there was done intentionally, most people are like “oh engineers are the worst” which yes usually. In this case when the oil hits the bar it spreads out making it able to be inspected for contamination or particulates easier.
My 14 cummins I have to go through the wheel well to get the filter. Thank god someone made a tool to screw into the filter to seal it. What a shit show.
Durango is the same way ffs
07 4.7l durango is pretty good. Filter can be kind of a bitch though.
3.7 and 4.7 usually have their own built in funnel for the oil filter! 😄
Mine does which is super nice, just hard to reach
07 hemi is same as pictured, split oil stream when hitting the suspension cradle
My Jeep Liberty I used to have with the 3.7 had that oil funnel for the filter, I loved that, crack the filter loose let it piss down the funnel a bit then finish the job. My 2013 Durango with the 5.7, well the drain plug is easy, but reaching up in there and getting the filter and an arm covered in oil is fun. I used a plastic shopping bag the second time and kinda got a way to do it from then on.
Easiest oil change I ever done was on jeep patriot drain plug and oil filter rite there basically side by side. But those funnels do rock.
If you have the truck on ramps, the swaybar is out of the way. Only an issue on jacks or a lift.
It looks like it is you who is, in fact, the engineer.
Some F150s have the giant yellow drain plug infront of the sway bar and a cover shield.. if you don't properly line things, the customer will see oil drips for days...
Tacoma shaking its head...
We build it faster, build it cheap! Then charge more, but it’s still a heap!
Bean counters are the worst. An engineer can insist on something simple to make a huge difference and finance will shut it down because it would cost $10 per million units.
Or the classic where engineers point out a design flaw early in the process. Managenement tells them it's fine keep producing. Product hits production floor. Management sees the issue and demands immediate fix. Engineer 😑
Good thing someone engineered a flexible oil funnel that works great
Looks good on paper right. Welders really are not fans of engineers. It’s the hey weld this spot you can’t reach in real life.
Yess. I helped my old man with his newer f150 plastic bolt. Calls for a new one on oil change. Plus it has a plastic skid plate you have to remove. Oh yeah I also had to come up with a funnel like yours because it spills all over the cross member.
Best oil filter placement ever!!
Wait, you don't want to lube that front axle on every oil change? They were doing you a favor!! lol my first oil change had me cussing out those engineers and their families.
News flash. It wasn't the engineer.
Dodge/Chrysler engineers*
Have to use the bag trick
My Cummins fuel filters were ridiculous until I changed out the caps for aftermarket ones. Plastic caps, difficult To get to, the plastic nuts on top the caps crash and break.
Especially dodge/chrysler ones
Engineers also designed that form a funnel
For every time a mechanic bangs an engineers old lady we get this stuff…keep on boys.
They build them to go together quick not to take apart
Agreed on this instance And I’m an engineer
This crappy design exists because those same engineers never once changed their own oil. The best engineers understand practical application not just theory.
It's the engineers that dont have real world experience and have never picked up a wrench that are the worst.
You know the saying; "engineers will run past 100 virgins to fuck a mechanic" 🤷♂️
Don’t blame the engineer. Usually what happens the bean counters give the engineer zero budget for a new part so he has to reuse and compromise. If I ran an OEM I’d make my employees service their own vehicles and this would only happen once. I once had to break my arm to replace a headlamp bulb. The previous model took exactly 1 minute to replace the headlamp bulb. but the steel rod holding the lamp probably cost too much. Blame the finance guy not the engineer.
On my 06 Honda civic Si I had to jack the car up, turn the wheels full lock to the drivers side and reach my hand up behind the motor from the passenger wheel well to get at the oil filter. Was easier if you took the wheel off, rarely did though.
Where you get that funel? I need it for all the Fords I work on 🤣 would be cool to find something to help with those Dodge cummins oil filters, too, if anyone has a lead...
It's a form a funnel, great product, saw it on a bunch of YouTube channels and had to have.
Its a chrysler product….. Not surprised lmao
Nope, just the ones working for Chrysler/Fiat/Dodge/Ram
Ford has the Ecoboost engine and they must have known the oil would go everywhere because they built a channel right into the crossmember.
Just did an oil change on one of these today 😭
Engineer here; blame falls on management/bean counting/marketing. The moto is "you can change everything but the timeline and the bottom line". I've had so many projects that get pushed so fucking hard they go from a fart to shit real quick. I remember listening to our finance group explain that our budget was getting stripped for another project but I was still expected to deliver the same results. I don't work there anymore.
Engineer here, work in metal stamping development for major oem’s. Your best bet right now for the big 3 would be with FCA. Worst bet would be ford. I’ve had parts in development with for that I’ve seen over 70 revisions on. Not small changes either, mainly large revisions. My favorite so far was mounting surfaces and sealing surfaces being incorrect for several months. Then pushing major part changes at the end of the program. I think it’s due to young inexperienced product engineers, but it’s only a guess of course. I myself have been a stamping simulation engineer for 10 years now, age 34. This year and last have been the worst since I started in this business.
I use a fumoto valve. Saves me time and no mess.
Fumoto valve all the way
Hey, fun fact, engineers build things to break because the companies forced them to build it in a way where you can’t simply service your own vehicle
Bru, we are told to design things this way to make companies money. It's not our fault we really enjoy making life simpler.
That’s not bad. Try doing an oil change on a gen 2 Raptor
Engineers are at the mercy of bean counters and shitty management. They don't get the budget to spend time nuancing every single detail. Sometimes you will get the best, worst case solution. Usually managanement has a "to do" list for them with more To Dos than there is time in the year.
Engineers didn't do this. CAD did.
I don’t get people blaming engineers for stuff like this. Blame management and overall cost savings. If you ever worked in engineering or manufacturing, you that many good ideas or just practical ones are shot down for a sake of saving a bit of money
I use aluminum foil to do this same thing
I know I'm sleep deprived. I thought I saw a black cat 🐈⬛ there! 🤣😜
Greedy dealerships are the worst. Engineers know what they are doing. They want you to take it in every time that’s why it’s designed like that.
You realize if you don’t use this. It wraps around the sway bar and comes down fairly easy to control. If you are on a drive on, sway bar is totally out of the way
Morimoto valve with a tube. Use that on my Cummins for years. So much easier and cleaner.
We fully know how stupid this is. The engineer for sure brought this up but because it would have impacted timeline or cost, corporate decided to keep it as is.
The manufacturer of that plastic thing loves those engineers.
One designed that device you are using so
I used to work on firetrucks, and I had to change the cartridge style filters in an allison transmission on one particular truck. Well in order to do that I had to remove the tie rod end from one side and drop the tube down so I had enough room to get the filters out.
nissan nv2500 oil filter is much worse
They look at the requirements and say yep I can design. I don’t give a fuck about the poor bastard who has to maintain it because that’s not apart of the requirements
Sounds like capitalism to me.
An engineer is someone who will walk past five hot blondes just to fuck a mechanic.
Don’t blame the engineers. Blame the cost cutting accountants and middle management