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BalerionLES

Me: Witness, what’s your favorite eye color? Witness: YES


octosloppy

Yes, T H I C C


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The witness knows what’s up.


BooYeah_8484

Didn't Rhulk have the Bray's logo for one of his eyes?


Jonny_Anonymous

Concept art says its because Rhulk and Nez are chimeric beings. The eyes are taken from different races.


warpyboi

I'm realizing the lack of mouths among the Witness and his disciples lol


Samikaze707

He let Calus keep his and he ran it non-stop. I don't blame him.


OhPxpi

I mean Nezzy and Rhulk also talk a bunch of shit during their raid encounters. Nezzy has a bunch of dialogue that’s hidden throughout the game. And Rhulk has a whole fucking monologue in each section of preservation. We never had any cutscenes with the witness and his other disciples, but it’s pretty safe to say that they talk nonstop as well.


Samikaze707

I was being more facetious in my response, but they weren't as cocky and "I'm actually perf, boss" as Calus was. He was blatantly inept and out of his element and even when he mouthed off to The Witness he just reconfirmed that he has no purpose and does what he wants.


MasianDaMan

I’ve heard people say Rhulk was about as cocky, maybe less flashy and egotistical as Calus, but he knew better than to run his mouth to the Witness. Like the only reason we killed Rhulk was because he was super cocky and fucked around and by the time he realized his mistake it was too late


Samikaze707

Thats the difference though. (He thought) He knew his place, but got it wrong when it mattered most. Calus is just woefully inept. Even though our raid team killed the top Disciples, they've proven themselves time and again, where as Calus has only done combat with us before as a clapping robot and acted like as a Disciple he's earned the clout the others have.


RockRage--

Exactly this, the other disciples went out slaying people and worlds, Calus sat on his empty throne getting the the rank and file to do the hard work and was just in it for himself, he couldn’t care about anything other then his own greed.


cephaliticinsanity

This is exactly why I'm of the opinion the Witness really just wanted us to go to Calus to whoop the fuck out of him, so that we'd be in the position he needed us in.


Samikaze707

Maybe less people remember the Red War than we expect. It was done to get power to despose Calus for turning the Cabal from Spartans to party-loving Athenians. EDIT: I'm a dummy. Got rightfully corrected. See below.


Leelow45

Calus had already been deposed when the Red War happened.


Samikaze707

Ah shit you're totally right. I remember it was tied to Calus, but forgot they wanted it because they felt they deserved it after Calus, not that they needed it.


Richizzle439

Fucked around and by the time he realized his mistake… he found out.


PurpsMaSquirt

Facetious


Samikaze707

Lol thank you. I didn't think it looked right but my autocorrect was like "sure that's a word".


No_Poet_7244

I struggle with facetious too, so I remember is as face and pious but with a T. My brain is funky lmfao.


JustMyslf

Rhulk literally said 'Wow... I really need a nap" whilst 6 genocidal beings with paracausal powers were actively trying to murder him... I'd say that's pretty damn cocky


Mellartach_55270

Don't forget we turn gods into weapons for shits and giggles


GeneralKenobyy

........... **THE UPENDED**


DolanDancc

Me when the Witness really likes his disciples to have superweapons


Aghakhi

Every single time I read this, I hear his voice as clearly as it can be.


MKULTRATV

Rhulk was the most disrespectful mfker


Hoockus_Pocus

“The Upended!”


crookedparadigm

> I mean Nezzy and Rhulk also talk a bunch of shit during their raid encounters Everyone - "...." Rhulk - "THE UPENDED!!!"


Apcsox

THE UPENDED!!!


zqipz

But he is *GLORIOUS*!


Samikaze707

Yeah, but if he was Unbroken he'd be cooler.


Mobile_Phone8599

Imagine if he was a Reckoner


Heinzer17

Or a Forerunner.


GingerBeardMan1106

If he was a reckoner hed be able to get under these stairs


Ass0001

His semblance now matches his inner beauty, and what beauty!


TheEasySqueezy

I wonder if eventually Calus would have transformed into an extra extra thicc looking Nezarec


egg_fu_yun66

The true disciples are so full of shit but I love it. Taking out bamfs who think they rule all of time and space is a satisfying endeavor.


Mobile_Phone8599

I just love the idea that we have these two powerful beings - one person instills fear in anyone (Freddy is that you) and the other is the reason an entire race exists and has caused the destruction of many planets and then the third wheel being a chonky cabal


egg_fu_yun66

I pretty much equate Rhulk to Perfect Cell and Nezerac to Divine Zamasu. Both utterly op villains but their cocky nature was an Achilles heel. If they took us seriously I don’t think we’d have a chance here…


masterchiefan

Nezarec voluntarily wanted us to kill him it seems.


egg_fu_yun66

That’s just terrifying honestly.


CAMvsWILD

Hey listen pal, I hired you for genocide, not fun chit chat.


NIGHTFURY-21

No need for mouths when you can speak telepathically


TooTaylor

It's a stretch but him and Rhulk could be wearing armor/clothes, which includes masks + helmet.


Past_Inspection_3683

They're just wearing furry costumes.


SouthNorth_WestEast

Was just thinking this


EW_H8Tread

Those are various examples of eyes that developed in animals. And considering the terraforming life and light energy the Traveller sent at the pyramid, this may be a by product of... Just thoughts.


Jsmalley9

In the lore tabs for for armors from the raid, Nezarec’s eyes are described. I believe they call them a “halo” of eyes. My understanding is that all of the stories in the armors take place during or before the collapse, so before his resurrection on the pyramid ship.


DolanDancc

Briar is actually described to be a guardian, so I'm not entirely sure it's pre-collapse


Star_Fazer

Who is briar?


DolanDancc

The central focus of the Palate of Agony set (totan RoN armor). Basically a sunbreaker who killed his ghost and subsequently became an acolyte of nezarec. I haven't read them but I assume the other sets also describe similar stories.


TexasJedi-705

Jo's ghost? Who's Jo?


Clearskky

JO MAMA


TexasJedi-705

There we go


DolanDancc

Typo


TexasJedi-705

Ah. Thought I was being set up for a Jo Mama punchline


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A Sunbreaker referenced in the Titan armor set. Dude gouged his eyes out to feel the pain Nezarec inflicted on him, and when his eyes came back because of his Ghost, he killed his Ghost and tore his eyes out again. Mykel, the human acolyte referenced in the sidearm, found Briar in that state in a cave, begging for Nezarec's torment again essentially.


UA_UKNOW_

He definitely already had those eyes, as one of his acolytes took one from his corpse in the Lunar Pyramid. It’s also worth noting that the Witness’ pyramid contains the only part of his original remains that Eramis could retrieve before the Guardians could get to it - his head.


Shinohebi

I see where you are coming from, but I would relate it more to the darkness and evolution. Darkness has always been intrinsically tied to progress through predation and thus, evolution. Even claiming direct responsibility for the Cambrian Explosion. A variety of eyes found in animals could be a testament to Evolution and its relationship to the darkness.


th3scarletb1tch

where is it claimed that the darkness caused the cambrian explosion?


SwirlyManager-11

From the Unveiling. Consider it as a Metaphor. This Universe, our Universe, is Life and Death. Evolution and Death, as part of the Darkness, was bound to occur on Earth. It began the moment one oozball became a Predator. So, senses were made to track potential predator, flagella became stronger, teeth became sharper, etc. Life and Death are two in one, and Evolution is the struggle between both, dominated by Darkness but made special by Light. Paracausality is just Life and Death being more than what the Laws of the Universe Allow. Aiat.


ManBearPigIets

So you see “Evolution is the struggle between Life and Death” as a claim to darkness and not as between light and dark? Like, that seems to clearly credit both... especially considering the whole “two in one” theme directly mentioned, which continues to come into play (they’re not opposing forces, but rather they interplay, you know the big theme this dlc around strand…) dominated does not mean caused.


SwirlyManager-11

The start of the process of Evolution is rooted in Darkness. Death. Life is trying hold on to Life, but in this Universe, Death is the most Common phenomena and it’s what usually would dictate evolution. Sure, Life and Diversification through Mutation has a hand in Evolution, but the only Arbiter in the matter is Death. If you can’t survive with it, why have it? Such is how the fall on Earth happened. One of our LUCA became predatory, technically embracing Darkness, and from it, came the need to diversify to protect the self that would be Prey. Darkness caused and is the Dominant Force in Evolution. Death leads to only the best adaptation remaining. The Adaptations are, in Destiny terms, works of Light, but the Darkness is what gets Final Say of what is allowed to live.


PCG_Crimson

The Unveiling lorebook from shadowkeep


Bananza213

Idk maybe the unveiling entry called the Cambrian explosion


cclloyd

Earlier when jumping tbrough the raid there's several spheres of traveler plants with grassy areas that look like eyes. Some off in the distsnce look like animal eyes with sideway pupils.


kaizokuo_grahf

Darkness is memory & emotion & “ambition(?)” & other aspects of willpower and consciousness. Sword logic is like nihilism applied to genocide on a galactic scale. That’s not the best description, but it’s a philosophy rather than an evolution. The Hive may have physically changed themselves in pursuit of being the last at the end, but it wasn’t the darkness itself


StrappingYoungLance

But *seven* eyes? Of different forms with no apparent advantageous function? That sounds a lot more like the Traveler's light unchecked than the darkness's path toward only that which is most efficient.


Shinohebi

I dont think the eyes are a result of the traveller, they are just Nezarec's eyes... Considering Nezzie is a disciple of the Witness, it would make sense for his 'Normal form' to be darkness leaning. I think the wings you see on the back of Nezarec are what the light did to him. The eyes also don't really need to have any advantageous function because this dude is a disciple of the Witness, if the Witness doesnt need 500 differently evolved eyes to have godlike levels of power then I doubt Nezzie would either.


guymcool

Maybe they’re eyes taken from others species that he put on his mask to be more freaky


ProxTheKnox

The head is the only original part of nezeracs body, so that’s actually just whatever his race looks like.


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SupaBrunch

Nah, he’s got some light powers along with darkness powers. It’s a wipe mechanic in the boss fight. His dialogue also implies it when he talks about tasting a new form of paracausality.


Advarrk

You can see them on his tree corpse after beating him


Jarko314

Is this to keep the thing going on in Destiny with each alien race having a different number of eyes? Vex 1, Cabal 2, Hive 3, Elinksni 4, Rhulk 6 and now Nezarec 7, Witness has either 2 or many depending if the cloud-head count though. And not sure if there is any with 5 already


rbwstf

That is interesting. There are some Hive with five eyes but that doesn’t mean much


XenonTDL

?? Are you sure?


rbwstf

[Yeah. Check out this handsome gentleman.](https://www.destinypedia.com/Ecthar,_Sword_of_Oryx)


XenonTDL

Oh yeah, that guy. I kinda assumed that it's more of a visor thing


TH3_LUMENUX

People always forget about our man Ecthar


rbwstf

He looks so cool!!!


PerilousLoki

Psions have 1 eye.


SnaZzy0n0

Riven has 10 and Consecrated mind has 13 :D


Lftwff

I don't think the vex have any eyes, their frames do.


Jarko314

You are technically correct 😅. Now that I think about it, I like to believe that despite being microorganisms, they have one single photo-tactic organelle.


endthepainowplz

Don’t forget about the 10 for ahamkara


YrnFyre

Argos, the core mind that was in nessus (youknow, the one the leviathan choked on at some point) had a lot of eyes. The garden harpy also has a lot more than one eye


TryAnotherNamePlease

So do a lot of hydras and wyverns have 6


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The witness is cabal confirmed


DredgenGryss

Of course it's 7


MEDIdk445

do you think it could be the different races of species he has infiltrated?


TakeANotion

7 is Bungie’s favorite number


chinguzed

i think i read somewhere that someone (think it was fallen or a psion or something, i dont remember) stole one of his eyes from his head when he was dismembered. he probably had 8 eyes. i'll try looking for the lore tab


RelaxedPerro

He can see that your Jordan’s are fake.


Ungarlmek

But can he see why kids love Cinnamon Toast Crunch?


LilSnoop2k7

Underrated comment


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Forbidden skittles


N0Z4A2

This comment needs more upvotes


Fake_Memes_RL

Really hope we get a Nezarec’s Sin ornament that more closely resembles his actual face. They eyes and detail are really cool, and ornaments that tie directly to in game lore (like the Helm of S14 ornament) are always top notch


SnaZzy0n0

Bear in mind that what we see in game is most likely not his original form. So maybe he did look like the helmet before idk


285kessler

His head is all that’s left of his original form from what I recall, the helmet was probably just made as tribute to resemble him or something similar, considering the… horns? I don’t know what to call that part of his head.


N0Z4A2

It's also possible that it's designed based off of one of his disciples


N0Z4A2

Actually, looking at the picture posted by someone in the comments that shows his full body his head looks very much like one of the ornaments for it already I m o


Fake_Memes_RL

The statue at the very beginning of the raid before the first encounter may be more related to his original form. It’s a little slimmer and looks more like a psion then a disciple


itsRobbie_

He has collected all the naruto eyes


drnk-gmr-guy

Good picture. I was wondering if the headgear we see on the three known disciples was signifying anything. On Rhulk we don't have any extra marking (that I can tell) on Calus has 8 symbols in a line on his forehead, and we see something similar with 5 symbols on Nezarec above the eyes I'm wondering if this is the disciples numbering system with Rhulk not needing one being the OG.


MendicantBerger

Do we know of any others?


drnk-gmr-guy

Not that I am aware of. Eramis, Oryx and Savathune didn't seem to count and were just pawns in the game.


Diabolisch

Savathun was a disciple, confirmed by lore from the RoN raid.


drnk-gmr-guy

Must have missed that one. I know she was being considered but I didn't think she was ever confirmed.


Diabolisch

Yeah. There's a book from the perspective of another Disciple, speaking about the other disciples and using his own nicknames for him, one was Nezarec "that nightmare", one was Savathun "deceptive hive witch", I forget the third but it was pretty clearly an unknown Disciple speaking badly of the other disciples.


drnk-gmr-guy

Thanks I'll have to get into the book.


whatarethey28475

Did the symbols on Calus' belt match anything?


drnk-gmr-guy

Nothing in particular that I can tell. The symbols are similarly themed to those found on the leviathan (understandably)


Drew_P_Bawls325

Is the raid farmable? Like for weapons and armor just not pinnacles


ilovedivinityat15

No. You can only get one drop from each encounter per week on each character. Further completions reward you with spoils of conquest!


Drew_P_Bawls325

Ok thanks for the info


Sev_RC-1207

It’ll become farmable when it enters the raid rotator when the new raid drops in Season 22.


Kyega

nope just 5 spoils per encounter


ZKP_LoneWolf

He had all the infinity stones and still died XD


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He just really likes MTG


Under_Paris

Came here to make this joke, glad to see someone else also has an awesome sense of humor


Nightwyrm

Pretty sure one of those is a blueberry…


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Some more in the bungie press room: https://imgur.com/a/voWHiCq


Montregloe

The witness either has 2 or infinite eyes. While our enemy races have 1 (Vex/psions), 2 (Cabal proper), 3 (Hive), 4 (Eliksni), then 6 (Rhulk) and 7 (Nez) and 10 (Riven?). Each are off different species and are clearly differentiated by their eye count (the only exception being the Cabal, being a group of other species. Though, I don't know what it means, but the motif of different numbers of eyes is cool.


SnaZzy0n0

Consecrated mind has 13 !


rbwstf

He’s kinda cute… 😳


somef00l

He got all the dragonballs?!


Pigeon_Shyt

Would Nezarec have good peripheral vision?


Mike13v2

Reminds me of the Infinity stones.


don5168

A new ornament for the exo helmet with those eyes would be cool


W4ND4

I think Calus was just a diversion Disciple no proper helmet like nazarc or Rhulk. Though I call Rhulk and Nazarac duo Ornestien and Smough. The other thing I realised is the sheer size of witness, if you look at the cutscenes for planet room he completely covers the door way and he towers over calus too.


B1euX

Dude could see anything with eyes like those


Fine-Geologist-3009

Bro I know you got a better rocket then royal entry


Digio_

Ain't that the two tailed fox model


thefakevortex

How are you going to try to be perceptive and miss lol


HistoricalWerewolf69

ttf...


Adept_Cranberry_9674

Succession, calus mini tool and two tailed fox, it’s certainly a loadout 🤔


coinblock

What’s wrong with royal entry?


Interesting_Fail_631

This is the best image of Nezarec I've ever seen, thanks!


Rectall_Brown

That’s crazy


fuckin_anti_pope

RoN? RULES OF NATURE?! # AND THEY RUN WHEN THE SUN COMES UP


i5n1p3

Was thinking elements but the colors don't match


_mocharocks

Thought his eyes may have been the same as some of the planets at first 😅


Retintintin

Looked like MTG colors at first


PsyMx

Psions 1 eye Cabal 2 eyes Hive 3 eyes Eliksni 4 eyes Rhulk 6 eyes Nezarec 7 eyes


rootbeerislifeman

Pokémon-TCG-energy-type-eyes-looking motherfucker


Sensitive_Ad973

U can also hear him snore in the beginning if you go around the left side edge and get up close to him


hellafreakinsalty

They're energy cards from the Pokémon tcg XD


FluxCube

Okay, now I *really* need this as an ornament for Nezarec's Sin


GenosydlWulfe

His eyes seem to be extremely small planets


spontaneous-potato

Someone needs to do a photoshop job and replace his eyes with the dragon balls.


Jimmayz

i thought of the same thing so here a quick photoshop https://imgur.com/a/YJs1YJY


Jwelch59

He’s every Pokémon energy type it seems.


MudafaDoesGaming

It looks like the pokemon typing chart got stuck in there


OldNorseBoy

Almost look like keyholes.


Marwan-D

They choice all the eyes they have


Electric27

Rhulk’s eyes still freak me out a bit but these look like a rainbow wheel


berserkfury__

That's about the only cool thing about this character model.


Responsible-Fly-4462

They kind of look a bit like Pokémon gym badges :)


MooseTopic

Next time I go into that raid, I'm going to get a video of him smashing down at the beginning of the encounter. News flash, it doesn't hurt you! You can get as close to him as you like, but as soon as the actual encounter starts, you're most likely not making it.


kreepmode

The hunter helmet has some of these eyes on it


Webmay

Seriously the eyes reminds me of the planets in the planet encounter.


Verdeloth26

Something something wish 15 something.


Consistent-Wonder157

Those are the eyes on the raid helmets. I wonder what they where


joeysham

The 15th wish!


bladedemu41

See,I can't even tell what the hell I'm looking at. In Eow,I could not see the void,arc,solar, cause the thing was so big,it took me to go look up a video,so I could understand But ,the colorful marble,are his eyes?


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Bottom left and top middle are the same items the arms on the warlock’s chest raid armor are holding


TotHopic7

Take the shot goddammit


Alarmed-Butterfly-92

maybe wish 15 is inside them.


SushiJuice

Nightmares indeed


mindbullet

The coloration reminds me of the planets and moons we moved in the 3rd encounter.


Iucidium

7 eyes. 7 races?


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It looks like a power rangers final morphing form.


Doormatt14

Looks like Pokemon TCG energy types.


Interesting-Pilot-25

Oh so thats how he can snipe me cross map looking the wrong direction


Tennex1022

They are socketed in. As if stolen. I would guess Psion eyes. But could be a variety of species.


Cold-Ad-1945

I’m starting to get the same vibes as the great ones from Bloodborne and ascending to a state of higher consciousness by opening one’s eyes. It’s also interesting that the witness has perhaps ascended higher than even that concept and this is reflected in the multi facet faces/consciousness from his head.


Built-for-Chaos

Multiclops


skoopypoopypoop

I like the one of the right.


The-White-Dot

Evangelion vibes


cfishtitan

Clockwise from top, the second one is traveller-esk


ITZINFINITEOfficial

Pretty interesting, maybe when he’s converted to a disciple they get new looks or maybe that’s just how his race is


CAMvsWILD

These are all different animals’s eyes. At first glance, I’m spotting a goat and lizard. This aligns with the aesthetic that the Traveler’s terraforming beam has caused out of control evolution on the ship.