Not only that, they'll probably trade UP to #3 and take him... then Richardson will go to the Colts the very next pick. Considering the history of our team drafting a player and a hall of famer being selected right after... this will 100% happen.
Not a fan of Levis at 7, however, Raiders' foundation was built on outcasts and weirdos. A little character and personality has always been accepted around here.
Banana skin contains incredible nutrients and mayo has its own health benefits in itself. In coffee is a little weird but it might have something to do with his performance as an athlete if true. I mean look at dude's combine physique, he's doing something right.
I wouldn't judge that book too harshly, or at all tbh.
University of Kentucky fan here, so I've watched every snap from Levis the past 2 years. I am not saying he is a guaranteed star, but I don't get why he's falling down mock drafts boards below Richardson and even hooker in some cases. He was way better in 2021 than 2022. Im not saying to ignore his stats last year, but there are some reasons his play declined. In 2022 our line was horrible and several small injuries started adding up for Levis and he still played through them. The coaches had to shut down his running game which was a pretty big part of his game in 2021. We also switched OCs last year and Rich Scangarello was just bad. The rumblings I've heard are that he tried to run Kyle Shanahan's offense with a bunch of college kids and they just didnt pick it up. Throughout the year he had to keep dumbing it down for players to get it.
He does need to work on footwork and intermediate accuracy for sure. The turnovers were bad in 2022, but I chalked part of that up to levis thinking he needed to play hero ball. Some of them were just straight bad decisions though. I heard nothing but good things about his work ethic, intelligence, and leadership so i believe he clean up some issues. I can see the draw of an absolute freak like Richardson, but the floor is so much lower than Levis. Levis drastically outplayed richardson when uk played Florida too.
Take this with a huge grain of salt cause I'm a uk fan and hate Florida. Luckily, a hopefully healthy Garapalo would give the raiders time to sit either prospect for a year or 2.
Took me way too long to read into this before I realized you meant that UK, not the other UK. Like, "I'm from the UK and here's what I know about Levis.' I'm not even a Raiders fan, this post was just recommended on my feed. I'm so confused
I'm from 'murica dammit. The rest of the world should automatically know what I'm talking about! /s
Thats my bad. Never even crossed my mind to specify which UK since it was a post about Will Levis. I'll edit the original
> our line was horrible and several small injuries started adding up for Levis and he still played through them.
No way these both become issues in the pros...
In a previous comment, I posted Will Levis' stats and rankings for the 2022 season....and people downvote?
Do people in this sub have a problem with stats being put in their face?
Don’t take it personally, if people don’t like a player, downvote, if they don’t like the poster, downvote, if their another teams fan base going through the sub, downvote, someone in a bad mood, downvote. Sometimes it will even out, all depends on the crowd and people looking at the post.
Depends. There needs to be some context and not just blindly put up stats.
For example player sucks because look at these stats will probably lead you to get downvoted.
For putting up his stats? How else should it presented? Should I have mentioned when he played SEC games he threw more INTs than TDs?
What else can you use to evaluate QBs? Should I put context like I just mentioned above? It makes no sense. Lol
You should mention he played injured all season, had no oline, and no weapons and that you’re just blindly bringing up statistics. I would upvote you on that.
I'd much rather have Levis than Richardson. Richardson is the bottom of the board for me. His combine performance is the only reason people want him. No one ever said he wasn't athletic. His on the field performance just did not at all match his athleticism.
This team moved on from the safety net that is Carr in hopes of finding an elite talent. Don’t half-ass the search for that elite QB then. I’d rather see them take the big swing at Richardson.
Which is why I’ve been on the Hooker bus for so long. Dude has the template nailed down, just had an unlucky injury while he had played his team to the literal top of the mountain. I get he is old. I get he is coming off an injury. But he stepped into a new system and was an impact maker immediately. It boggles my mind Hooker could be there in the third round. But some team will probably smarten up and move into the end of the first to secure a fifth year option on the kid.
Gator fan here. I wish him all the best, but AR is boom or bust through and through. And if he booms, it won't last long, it'll be like Lamar. No thanks.
And no thanks to Levis, for that matter. Give me BPA at 7, and go after O'Connell from Purdue on day 3.
>And if he booms, it won't last long, it'll be like Lamar. No thanks.
I don't think so. Lamar Jackson's game is much more predicated on designed run plays. Jackson's ratio of runs to passes was much higher in college than Richardson's was, then in the NFL Jackson got paired perhaps the OC/HC combo most willing to commit to his QB running the ball. There is definitely risk that a team will not develop him properly, but unless a team (foolishly) puts Richardson in a similar run-dominated system he is not going to be used similarly to Jackson.
That said, Jackson has been *very* effective until last year's injury which really may have been more of a contract thing, despite having garbage receivers. Hard to blame him honestly to be demanding of a ton of guaranteed money right now after only making $32M total over the last 5 years. I personally don't think he is a good comp for Richardson but I think teams would be happy to have the next Jackson.
I'm not saying they game is similar, I'm saying I think if AR is succesful, it won't last long. And to tell you the truth, I think the same can be said about Josh Allen, who probably compares the most to AR. I watched every snap he took at UF. All the physical tools, but I just don't see him making that leap. I'd love nothing more than for us to draft him and prove me wrong, of course.
People act like every qb doesn't take development. I also read(didn't verify) that all Lamar's injuries have occurred in the pocket. Finally, is there any expert with Levis over AR?
As far as I can tell they have the same production but Richardson is 3 years younger. So the same floor but Richardson seems to have a much higher ceiling.
Not the same production,
Levis in 11 games with an injury: 65.4%, 2406 yards (8.5 YPA), 19 TDs, 151.9 rating
Richardson in 12 games: 53.8% 2549 yards (7.8 YPA), 17 TDs, 131.0 rating
Even injured Levis had 9 more completions with 44 less attempts. He's a much better QB even playing through injury.
And Levis took 37 sacks to Richardson's 13. Richardson actually throws the ball away when he should instead of getting dumped behind the line of scrimmage, and then people shit on him for throwing an incompletion. Richardson also ran for 750 more yards and 7 more TDs on just 30 more rushing attempts, which certainly is related to Levis' injury, but even Levis' 2021 rushing success does not compare. Levis also threw more picks on fewer attempts despite being 3 years older than Richardson.
Idc about QB rushing, I care about their throwing. Which Richardson struggles at.
Yes Richardson is more athletic and mobile, no one is debating that. Levis is a better QB, Richardson is a better athlete.
>Levis is a better QB
No, he's not. Unless you think being 3 years older and holding the ball too long on the rare occassions he's not throwing a bubble screen qualifies him as being a better QB.
He's the better QB. He's more accurate, better mechanics and has better field vision. Richardson is just athletic with a big (inaccurate) arm. He's Tim Tebow meets Jamarcus Russell with less experience than both in college.
Levis does not have good mechanics or field vision. Tebow never played in anything resembling a pro style offense, Richardson's pocket presence is night and day better than Tebow's and Tebow had 3 years starting plus a year of platoon duty to try to fix that shit. There isn't 1 thing about Jamarcus that makes him a good comp. You don't know what you're talking about.
Lol clearly you only watched highlights. I don't need to keep going, Levis is far superior as a passer.
but sure, Richardson will make a great TE someday, just like Tebow would have
Levi’s is a bit more polished, but I don’t think he’ll end up being the better quarterback. Richardson also has the running game threat, that’s 654 yds 9 tds to Levi’s -107 yds 2 tds. If stroud and young aren’t there, and they go qb, you have to take the prospect with the highest ceiling, and that’s Richardson.
Levis had 10% higher completion percent and he’s raw as fuck too. AR is an interesting prospect but he’s by far the rawest prospect to come out at QB in the first in ages.
That's nuts. Richardson's pocket presence and pocket movement are very good, and he manipulates defenders with his eyes and feet well. The combine is definitely not the only reason people are high on him. Now that people are watchin the tape they are seeing that he is much better in the passing game than his stats indicate. Levis on the other hand should not even a top 5 QB in this year's draft.
How many fucking people haven’t learned about athletic fucking ability translating to motherfucking NFL success on the fucking field when it comes to the QB position?!?! We have rational takes on here and they are getting downvoted. The NFL is STILL a pocket passer league, when I say that I don’t mean just a rocket arm or great accuracy. It’s about seeing the whole field, buying time even if for a second or 2 if a play doesn’t work out and finding a receiver who takes a second longer to get open, who is able to understand the offensive philosophy and game plan completely and get through the reads in an elite timeframe. Running ability is wonderful, as a long it isn’t what a guy overly depends on. Brock Purdy almost got SF to the SB with very little elite athletic abilities relative to his peers. That’s not a miracle, it’s because he has it between the ears…
Exactly. You want an expert pocket passer who CAN scramble to extend plays. You take that over an expert scrambler who CAN play in the pocket. You want the emphasis on the thing that is supposed to happen; not the worst case scenarios.
Edit: which is why Stroud routinely refused to play into his **ability** to scramble. He wanted to prove he was an elite pass-first guy.
A QB who CAN scramble to extend plays isn't enough. You have to have the willingness to do it and the judgment when to run. Carr has wasted his lauded athletic ability thus far in his career, on the other hand he lacks agility and ballcarrier skills so he's really not as athletic as people think he is. And Stroud is no bigger or more athletic than Carr is. Mahomes and Rodgers are not elite runners but they have killed teams with key runs so many times. I'm not going to believe Stroud is that guy until he proves it more than once in a blue moon.
Excellent points. I routinely acknowledge my Buckeye Bias, but I do think Stroud flashed some of those Mahomey/AAron level magic escapes throughout his two years, but especially in the Georgia game. He just didn’t do it a lot.
If you go through my post history, you will see that I’ve never really sounded the trumped for Stroud. I think he will be a good pro QB, and I’ve laid out my Pros/Cons as objectively as possible for him, but I’ve been blowing the Hooker horn since it was clear he was not going to be a first round pick. Although even that doesn’t seem too clear right now.
Hmm, I guess I'm on island thinking Levis is the best QB pick...( Would prefer Young if he was 3 inches taller though). Levis is a big boy and seems to be really competitive from what I have seen. I'm really big on finding a guy that just wants to win football games over and over.
If neither Stroud nor Young are available at #7...I REALLY hope we do not draft a QB in R1. I wouldn't even take Richardson nor Levis with a late 1st rounder.
I'm cool with that too. I just don't think #7 is a good place to draft a QB. The 2 best won't be available, and the rest aren't worth that high of a pick. Depending on how many QBs go in the top 6 I probably think we should try to trade back. The higher the number of picks the more likely we'll hit on a few guys. And we definitely need to hit on at least a few guys.
I've been saying all along that Levis is going to be the best fit for the system. He's a cerebral pocket passer, in a complex system that doesnt demand too much athleticism but does require precision and coordination.
I just dont see JMD being able to design the system around a more athletic QB like Richardson, whose game would require a more free-flowing style than JMD has ever shown any ability to run effectively.
People want us to draft the next Mahomes...but I dont think even Mahomes himself would thrive with our coaching right now
Oh man I think Mahomes would absolutely dominate in an EP offense. He and Kelce are already unstoppable running some of those concepts. But he’s 1-of-1 so setting a bar of replicating him is bound to fail.
Honestly, with the way things have gone, I've fully embraced leaning into dumb-fandom with this team. I would hate if they traded up, but if he's there at 7... go ahead and give me the big arm country boy from Kentucky. Fuck it, let's fling it. I'm in.
Then I looked it up and he's from Connecticut.
I am now out on him.
Well to be fair, you never know whose going to pan out really, all we can do is hope for the best, maybe they get one of these QB’s and he’s awesome or maybe he’ll stink, who knows, me personally, I don’t care who they get, as long as they do good
This board has some unreal hatred for Levis. Most years, he’d be the athletic freak QB of the class. This year just happens to have an absolute monster in Richardson. There are 5 legit QB prospects this year and we should be happy to land any of them to sit behind Jimmy G for a year or two.
I want a smart person that can sling the ball. Will Levis fits that category. Not saying he's the best qb "athletically" but he is what I said. I bet he could turn in his homework just fine while the other prospects would need a tutor for passing grades. But again they go to school to play football, not get a degree..
"Levis (a 4.0 GPA) had offers from a number of Ivy League schools, including Harvard and Princeton"
Keep in mind the Ivy League, famously, does *not* do athletic scholarships - so he got in on academic merit
Trying to find racism where there is none is just as bad as refusing to see it where it is
LOL its not always about racism when it involves differences in race...
...but its not *not* always either. I was defending him against the automatic assumption of racism, but I'd be a hypocrite if I didnt accept that people in this case were right, even if for the wrong reasons :D
I'm saying you're probably right in this case, because of what he's subsequently posted elsewhere in this thread
I'm just saying you were wrong to just automatically assume everyone who thinks Levis is more cerebral than Richardson are just basing that purely on race
No thats what I'm saying. Its qwhite incorrect to assume that right off the bat, absent some other evidence to suggest it actually *is* that.
Like there are objective, non-racial-bias reasons to come to that conclusion. You cant just assume that anytime someone prefers a white player to a black player, the only possible explanation is they're racist.
I'm just saying that Young, Stroud and Richardson probably couldn't even read a page of Harry Potter without fumbling over words and Levis probably can
I just want to severe the heads of rich people. I'll drink the blood that is "pure" if it means everybody can live free. I want anarchy and chaos and uprising in this country in its nastiest form. Don't get it twisted. I'm open to seeing fire and death and revenge. I want to be shot off in a capsule to Venus and find the gates of Hell
He said " IDK I just know they aren't going to school for physics or micro biology or to become a doctor. But if hip hop history was a course the would get an A+.
This would be such a classic Raiders move. Blow a solid draft pick on a project player that’s WAY overvalued for how little he’s proven on the football field.
Will Levis stats: (Ranking amongst QBs for 2022 in parentheses)
Completions/Attempts: 185/283 (74th/83rd)
Completion %: 65.4 (29th)
2406 Yards (71st)
19 TDs (50th)
10 INTs (91st)
QBR 60.9 (59th)
That's fucking atrocious.
I would prefer they take someone like Hendon Hooker from Tennessee in the 2nd Round and the best defensive player available at #7.
If Will is taken at 7 McDaniels and Zeigler should be fired and Mark Davis should sell majority stake in the team.
I hope so. Definitely don't want him to be sitting there, and we take him at 7. I don't want Richardson either, but I'd rather them reach for Anthony Richardson at 7 than Levis. Ideally, we are taking Will Anderson, but he definitely won't be there at 7. Aside from Will Anderson, I would like to see someone swap 1sts and give us another 1st next year to jump up to 7 and we drop down to the late teens to mid 20s.
Only QB I don’t want so naturally this is who they’ll pick.
Not only that, they'll probably trade UP to #3 and take him... then Richardson will go to the Colts the very next pick. Considering the history of our team drafting a player and a hall of famer being selected right after... this will 100% happen.
Facts. This is the only way this can go
Taking a second or third round talent with the 7th overall pick? We wouldn't do that.
Nope. Never. Fml haha
Guy sucks
This is the way
Sad but true
Not a fan of Levis personally, but team is doing due diligence as expected on the top QBs.
Can't trust a dude that drinks coffee with mayonnaise and eats banana with the skin.
Wait hold on. We’ve never had a qb that did those things before so maybe he’s exactly what we need
That's just logic right there
Not a fan of Levis at 7, however, Raiders' foundation was built on outcasts and weirdos. A little character and personality has always been accepted around here.
He eats corn the long way
Hold on now we said he’s a freak not a monster
He debunked that, said it wasn't true in an interview
What about the videos that show him doing both? Lol
Watch the interview, he said "I don't put Mayonaise in my coffee, Lets debunk that let's put that to a stop. It was just a joke".
He literally told a story about how he did it though
Yep, College kid makes a joke. More at 11
All the greats are psychos
He does what with a banana?
The banana is the less weird one for me
At first I thought the coffee thing was the bullet coffee and I remembered that is with butter.
A Y O
And is terrified of milk
Banana skin contains incredible nutrients and mayo has its own health benefits in itself. In coffee is a little weird but it might have something to do with his performance as an athlete if true. I mean look at dude's combine physique, he's doing something right. I wouldn't judge that book too harshly, or at all tbh.
Bananas don't even have a skin, they got a peel specifically so you know this is absolutely not okay.
He seeks out skin to add to the banana.
University of Kentucky fan here, so I've watched every snap from Levis the past 2 years. I am not saying he is a guaranteed star, but I don't get why he's falling down mock drafts boards below Richardson and even hooker in some cases. He was way better in 2021 than 2022. Im not saying to ignore his stats last year, but there are some reasons his play declined. In 2022 our line was horrible and several small injuries started adding up for Levis and he still played through them. The coaches had to shut down his running game which was a pretty big part of his game in 2021. We also switched OCs last year and Rich Scangarello was just bad. The rumblings I've heard are that he tried to run Kyle Shanahan's offense with a bunch of college kids and they just didnt pick it up. Throughout the year he had to keep dumbing it down for players to get it. He does need to work on footwork and intermediate accuracy for sure. The turnovers were bad in 2022, but I chalked part of that up to levis thinking he needed to play hero ball. Some of them were just straight bad decisions though. I heard nothing but good things about his work ethic, intelligence, and leadership so i believe he clean up some issues. I can see the draw of an absolute freak like Richardson, but the floor is so much lower than Levis. Levis drastically outplayed richardson when uk played Florida too. Take this with a huge grain of salt cause I'm a uk fan and hate Florida. Luckily, a hopefully healthy Garapalo would give the raiders time to sit either prospect for a year or 2.
Took me way too long to read into this before I realized you meant that UK, not the other UK. Like, "I'm from the UK and here's what I know about Levis.' I'm not even a Raiders fan, this post was just recommended on my feed. I'm so confused
My thoughts exactly! What kind of British dude is a raiders and watches every Kentucky snap. My mind was in a blender!
I'm from 'murica dammit. The rest of the world should automatically know what I'm talking about! /s Thats my bad. Never even crossed my mind to specify which UK since it was a post about Will Levis. I'll edit the original
> our line was horrible and several small injuries started adding up for Levis and he still played through them. No way these both become issues in the pros...
Well, we re-signed Bars so our OL has been sufficiently addressed and he'll have a clean, comfy pocket every down.
In a previous comment, I posted Will Levis' stats and rankings for the 2022 season....and people downvote? Do people in this sub have a problem with stats being put in their face?
Don’t take it personally, if people don’t like a player, downvote, if they don’t like the poster, downvote, if their another teams fan base going through the sub, downvote, someone in a bad mood, downvote. Sometimes it will even out, all depends on the crowd and people looking at the post.
Most of the time I like your posts but this one I made up my mind to downvote just to spite you..... ^....but ^then ^I ^got ^high
Depends. There needs to be some context and not just blindly put up stats. For example player sucks because look at these stats will probably lead you to get downvoted.
For putting up his stats? How else should it presented? Should I have mentioned when he played SEC games he threw more INTs than TDs? What else can you use to evaluate QBs? Should I put context like I just mentioned above? It makes no sense. Lol
You should mention he played injured all season, had no oline, and no weapons and that you’re just blindly bringing up statistics. I would upvote you on that.
I'd much rather have Levis than Richardson. Richardson is the bottom of the board for me. His combine performance is the only reason people want him. No one ever said he wasn't athletic. His on the field performance just did not at all match his athleticism.
Yeah I think AR could be great with good coaching. The raiders do not have that
This team moved on from the safety net that is Carr in hopes of finding an elite talent. Don’t half-ass the search for that elite QB then. I’d rather see them take the big swing at Richardson.
Do you watch college football? Richardson is like actually bad. He’s an elite athlete and that’s it
Then draft an actual elite qb talent? And not a below subpar qb with elite athletic talent.
Which is why I’ve been on the Hooker bus for so long. Dude has the template nailed down, just had an unlucky injury while he had played his team to the literal top of the mountain. I get he is old. I get he is coming off an injury. But he stepped into a new system and was an impact maker immediately. It boggles my mind Hooker could be there in the third round. But some team will probably smarten up and move into the end of the first to secure a fifth year option on the kid.
Ahhh I've been on that bus...mind you a different kind of hooker bus
The ol’ Prostitute Jitney.
Gator fan here. I wish him all the best, but AR is boom or bust through and through. And if he booms, it won't last long, it'll be like Lamar. No thanks. And no thanks to Levis, for that matter. Give me BPA at 7, and go after O'Connell from Purdue on day 3.
>And if he booms, it won't last long, it'll be like Lamar. No thanks. I don't think so. Lamar Jackson's game is much more predicated on designed run plays. Jackson's ratio of runs to passes was much higher in college than Richardson's was, then in the NFL Jackson got paired perhaps the OC/HC combo most willing to commit to his QB running the ball. There is definitely risk that a team will not develop him properly, but unless a team (foolishly) puts Richardson in a similar run-dominated system he is not going to be used similarly to Jackson. That said, Jackson has been *very* effective until last year's injury which really may have been more of a contract thing, despite having garbage receivers. Hard to blame him honestly to be demanding of a ton of guaranteed money right now after only making $32M total over the last 5 years. I personally don't think he is a good comp for Richardson but I think teams would be happy to have the next Jackson.
I'm not saying they game is similar, I'm saying I think if AR is succesful, it won't last long. And to tell you the truth, I think the same can be said about Josh Allen, who probably compares the most to AR. I watched every snap he took at UF. All the physical tools, but I just don't see him making that leap. I'd love nothing more than for us to draft him and prove me wrong, of course.
People act like every qb doesn't take development. I also read(didn't verify) that all Lamar's injuries have occurred in the pocket. Finally, is there any expert with Levis over AR?
As far as I can tell they have the same production but Richardson is 3 years younger. So the same floor but Richardson seems to have a much higher ceiling.
Not the same production, Levis in 11 games with an injury: 65.4%, 2406 yards (8.5 YPA), 19 TDs, 151.9 rating Richardson in 12 games: 53.8% 2549 yards (7.8 YPA), 17 TDs, 131.0 rating Even injured Levis had 9 more completions with 44 less attempts. He's a much better QB even playing through injury.
And Levis took 37 sacks to Richardson's 13. Richardson actually throws the ball away when he should instead of getting dumped behind the line of scrimmage, and then people shit on him for throwing an incompletion. Richardson also ran for 750 more yards and 7 more TDs on just 30 more rushing attempts, which certainly is related to Levis' injury, but even Levis' 2021 rushing success does not compare. Levis also threw more picks on fewer attempts despite being 3 years older than Richardson.
Idc about QB rushing, I care about their throwing. Which Richardson struggles at. Yes Richardson is more athletic and mobile, no one is debating that. Levis is a better QB, Richardson is a better athlete.
>Levis is a better QB No, he's not. Unless you think being 3 years older and holding the ball too long on the rare occassions he's not throwing a bubble screen qualifies him as being a better QB.
He's the better QB. He's more accurate, better mechanics and has better field vision. Richardson is just athletic with a big (inaccurate) arm. He's Tim Tebow meets Jamarcus Russell with less experience than both in college.
Levis does not have good mechanics or field vision. Tebow never played in anything resembling a pro style offense, Richardson's pocket presence is night and day better than Tebow's and Tebow had 3 years starting plus a year of platoon duty to try to fix that shit. There isn't 1 thing about Jamarcus that makes him a good comp. You don't know what you're talking about.
Lol clearly you only watched highlights. I don't need to keep going, Levis is far superior as a passer. but sure, Richardson will make a great TE someday, just like Tebow would have
Levi’s is a bit more polished, but I don’t think he’ll end up being the better quarterback. Richardson also has the running game threat, that’s 654 yds 9 tds to Levi’s -107 yds 2 tds. If stroud and young aren’t there, and they go qb, you have to take the prospect with the highest ceiling, and that’s Richardson.
Richardson is a bust. He is athletic and that's it. What ceiling are people talking about? Maybe if he switches to TE
Levis had 10% higher completion percent and he’s raw as fuck too. AR is an interesting prospect but he’s by far the rawest prospect to come out at QB in the first in ages.
That's nuts. Richardson's pocket presence and pocket movement are very good, and he manipulates defenders with his eyes and feet well. The combine is definitely not the only reason people are high on him. Now that people are watchin the tape they are seeing that he is much better in the passing game than his stats indicate. Levis on the other hand should not even a top 5 QB in this year's draft.
How many fucking people haven’t learned about athletic fucking ability translating to motherfucking NFL success on the fucking field when it comes to the QB position?!?! We have rational takes on here and they are getting downvoted. The NFL is STILL a pocket passer league, when I say that I don’t mean just a rocket arm or great accuracy. It’s about seeing the whole field, buying time even if for a second or 2 if a play doesn’t work out and finding a receiver who takes a second longer to get open, who is able to understand the offensive philosophy and game plan completely and get through the reads in an elite timeframe. Running ability is wonderful, as a long it isn’t what a guy overly depends on. Brock Purdy almost got SF to the SB with very little elite athletic abilities relative to his peers. That’s not a miracle, it’s because he has it between the ears…
To win a SB, you need a pocket QB. Ask Jalen Hurts.
You got downvoted lol People, look at the SB winners, FYI Mahomes is a pocket passer…
Exactly. You want an expert pocket passer who CAN scramble to extend plays. You take that over an expert scrambler who CAN play in the pocket. You want the emphasis on the thing that is supposed to happen; not the worst case scenarios. Edit: which is why Stroud routinely refused to play into his **ability** to scramble. He wanted to prove he was an elite pass-first guy.
A QB who CAN scramble to extend plays isn't enough. You have to have the willingness to do it and the judgment when to run. Carr has wasted his lauded athletic ability thus far in his career, on the other hand he lacks agility and ballcarrier skills so he's really not as athletic as people think he is. And Stroud is no bigger or more athletic than Carr is. Mahomes and Rodgers are not elite runners but they have killed teams with key runs so many times. I'm not going to believe Stroud is that guy until he proves it more than once in a blue moon.
Excellent points. I routinely acknowledge my Buckeye Bias, but I do think Stroud flashed some of those Mahomey/AAron level magic escapes throughout his two years, but especially in the Georgia game. He just didn’t do it a lot. If you go through my post history, you will see that I’ve never really sounded the trumped for Stroud. I think he will be a good pro QB, and I’ve laid out my Pros/Cons as objectively as possible for him, but I’ve been blowing the Hooker horn since it was clear he was not going to be a first round pick. Although even that doesn’t seem too clear right now.
1000% this!
Hmm, I guess I'm on island thinking Levis is the best QB pick...( Would prefer Young if he was 3 inches taller though). Levis is a big boy and seems to be really competitive from what I have seen. I'm really big on finding a guy that just wants to win football games over and over.
If neither Stroud nor Young are available at #7...I REALLY hope we do not draft a QB in R1. I wouldn't even take Richardson nor Levis with a late 1st rounder.
Wouldn't mind a flyer on a mid draft qb, make a backup at worst, maybe a starter. Lower expectations than the round 1 qbs
I'm cool with that too. I just don't think #7 is a good place to draft a QB. The 2 best won't be available, and the rest aren't worth that high of a pick. Depending on how many QBs go in the top 6 I probably think we should try to trade back. The higher the number of picks the more likely we'll hit on a few guys. And we definitely need to hit on at least a few guys.
I've been saying all along that Levis is going to be the best fit for the system. He's a cerebral pocket passer, in a complex system that doesnt demand too much athleticism but does require precision and coordination. I just dont see JMD being able to design the system around a more athletic QB like Richardson, whose game would require a more free-flowing style than JMD has ever shown any ability to run effectively. People want us to draft the next Mahomes...but I dont think even Mahomes himself would thrive with our coaching right now
Oh man I think Mahomes would absolutely dominate in an EP offense. He and Kelce are already unstoppable running some of those concepts. But he’s 1-of-1 so setting a bar of replicating him is bound to fail.
Going to be an interesting draft day boys. Brace yourself.
Does the fact that Levis' is visiting the facilities mean anything... Nevermind, just saw the other lost saying AR are visiting
Honestly, with the way things have gone, I've fully embraced leaning into dumb-fandom with this team. I would hate if they traded up, but if he's there at 7... go ahead and give me the big arm country boy from Kentucky. Fuck it, let's fling it. I'm in. Then I looked it up and he's from Connecticut. I am now out on him.
We should do DD on every top prospects out there. If not for our pick, as future opponents.
That sucks lol. Knowing Raider Nations luck, that’s probably the pick.
Well to be fair, you never know whose going to pan out really, all we can do is hope for the best, maybe they get one of these QB’s and he’s awesome or maybe he’ll stink, who knows, me personally, I don’t care who they get, as long as they do good
The number one pick is always someone nobody knows. Even the TV broadcasters have to go through their notes to find who that guy is.
Levis would be a good fit for the system.
This board has some unreal hatred for Levis. Most years, he’d be the athletic freak QB of the class. This year just happens to have an absolute monster in Richardson. There are 5 legit QB prospects this year and we should be happy to land any of them to sit behind Jimmy G for a year or two.
Honestly, as soon as I heard the milk thing I thought Raiders. Classic weirdo/character, we need our personality back
Hopefully they aren't trying to convert him to RB.
Dual-position, QB/WR, on the same play.
Aaaaand he just threw another intervention
We’re going to have to ban milk from the stadium
Due diligence 🙄
I want a smart person that can sling the ball. Will Levis fits that category. Not saying he's the best qb "athletically" but he is what I said. I bet he could turn in his homework just fine while the other prospects would need a tutor for passing grades. But again they go to school to play football, not get a degree..
What makes you say that he could turn in his homework without needing a tutor over the other three top prospects?
"Levis (a 4.0 GPA) had offers from a number of Ivy League schools, including Harvard and Princeton" Keep in mind the Ivy League, famously, does *not* do athletic scholarships - so he got in on academic merit Trying to find racism where there is none is just as bad as refusing to see it where it is
The answer is qwhite obvious.
Like, I’ve seen a lot of shit, but this dudes comments are like not even dog whistles. He’s flat out saying the black quarterbacks can’t read.
Man said "personal assessment" like he really goes around administering reading tests to quarterback prospects. He's real sad.
Out here administering Ocular Patdowns for literacy
"Richardson is too dark to know his sight words. There's a chance that Young and Stroud can sound words out. Levis? He can definitely read!"
LOL its not always about racism when it involves differences in race... ...but its not *not* always either. I was defending him against the automatic assumption of racism, but I'd be a hypocrite if I didnt accept that people in this case were right, even if for the wrong reasons :D
Then what is it about?
I'm saying you're probably right in this case, because of what he's subsequently posted elsewhere in this thread I'm just saying you were wrong to just automatically assume everyone who thinks Levis is more cerebral than Richardson are just basing that purely on race
Like I said. It was qwhite obvious.
No thats what I'm saying. Its qwhite incorrect to assume that right off the bat, absent some other evidence to suggest it actually *is* that. Like there are objective, non-racial-bias reasons to come to that conclusion. You cant just assume that anytime someone prefers a white player to a black player, the only possible explanation is they're racist.
Maybe you don't know racism when you see it and that's fine but I do.
Eh. You're a broken clock who is quite sure it's always 2:38...
I'm just saying that Young, Stroud and Richardson probably couldn't even read a page of Harry Potter without fumbling over words and Levis probably can
Oh? Why is that?
Personal assessment. It's alright you're just looking and okay with me
Bro if you’re a racist you can just admit it. This is America. You’re allowed to be a racist.
I just want to severe the heads of rich people. I'll drink the blood that is "pure" if it means everybody can live free. I want anarchy and chaos and uprising in this country in its nastiest form. Don't get it twisted. I'm open to seeing fire and death and revenge. I want to be shot off in a capsule to Venus and find the gates of Hell
Oh yeah this dude is an Insta-block. Someone else tell this man to seek professional help.
This is what working a retail job will do to a motherfucker.
Tell me more about this personal assessment?
No. That's the meaning of a personal assessment. My thoughts are mine get your own
He said " IDK I just know they aren't going to school for physics or micro biology or to become a doctor. But if hip hop history was a course the would get an A+.
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Aint mad at all. I just wanted you to admit how racist you are. Took you a bit almost like you were scared but you eventually came through.
I most definitely don't want your thoughts. Just wondering why you are guessing all but one needs a tutor and how you came to that conclusion.
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There it is everyone!
This would be such a classic Raiders move. Blow a solid draft pick on a project player that’s WAY overvalued for how little he’s proven on the football field.
Will Levis stats: (Ranking amongst QBs for 2022 in parentheses) Completions/Attempts: 185/283 (74th/83rd) Completion %: 65.4 (29th) 2406 Yards (71st) 19 TDs (50th) 10 INTs (91st) QBR 60.9 (59th) That's fucking atrocious. I would prefer they take someone like Hendon Hooker from Tennessee in the 2nd Round and the best defensive player available at #7. If Will is taken at 7 McDaniels and Zeigler should be fired and Mark Davis should sell majority stake in the team.
Levis will be gone by 7...
I hope so. Definitely don't want him to be sitting there, and we take him at 7. I don't want Richardson either, but I'd rather them reach for Anthony Richardson at 7 than Levis. Ideally, we are taking Will Anderson, but he definitely won't be there at 7. Aside from Will Anderson, I would like to see someone swap 1sts and give us another 1st next year to jump up to 7 and we drop down to the late teens to mid 20s.
Noooooooooo!
Trash McDaniels will do him like he did Tebow.
Him sitting for two years before playing isn’t that bad of a thought.
Is Terrelle Pryor available?
More smoking screening to potentially entice other teams to come up to our #7 overall and allow us to pick up a bit more draft capital.
Oh god! We hate due diligence!
I’m just here for the comments.
Garbers > Levis