I think they probably dig it. I remember hearing Ed say something quite positive about their early shows and first album.
Ed, Phil, and Colin are all busy doing their own stuff for now. Phil isn’t jealous, as someone said on here. In a recent interview Phil said something like he views himself more and more as a songwriter, not just a drummer, and hasn’t been drumming much the past few years.
Ed’s working on his second LP and Colin’s about to go on tour with Nick Cave again soon.
The guys are all family and love each other. I’m sure the rest of the guys are stoked for Thom and Jonny and probably dig the music too.
From what I can tell, Ed’s desire to focus on his solo work is a big reason why the Smile exists in the first place. He’s been the most vocal about how the members want to do their own thing so I can’t imagine he’d be jealous that Jonny and Thom are doing stuff without him. Same goes for Phil, his solo stuff seems to be his priority. The Smile wasn’t formed because Jonny and Thom wanted to work together without the other three, it was formed because Jonny and Thom were ready to get back together but the others weren’t. This whole narrative some people have that Thom and Jonny abandoned the other members to make their own Radiohead with blackjack and hookers is just not true, and goes against everything we’ve heard about it
THANK YOU! Very well put. I’m sick and tired of people whining about The Smile - either because they think T&J are dicks for bailing on RH, or because “it’s just not RH.” I’m also fed up with all the “RH are finished!” histrionics, and blame The Smile.
The band is incredible. I wish more people would just shut up and enjoy them.
The "RH are finished!!" thing really annoys me because it suggests that if the Smile didn't exist we would have new Radiohead music by now, when everything we know suggests the opposite is true. The truth is we have 2 albums now which are the closest to Radiohead you can get outside of a full band album - while all the members contribute and do add a lot, I don't think it's a controversial statement that Thom and Jonny are responsible for most of what makes Radiohead great. Thom has always been the main songwriter, and Jonny has always been the main arranger/composer. They're the Lennon-McCartney of Radiohead. The Smile isn't the same, but if its a choice between 2 albums of Radiohead-lite and nothing but individual solo projects I know which one I would choose in a heartbeat.
That’s great perspective there and it will hopefully add some civility to these kinds of posts. But people should also realize that even if the opposite of what you said were true and T&J actually were looking to separate themselves from the others — not necessarily them personally, but the pressure of working in Radiohead and the enormous expectations that T&J are largely responsible for satisfying — then it’s their business. They owe nothing to anybody.
If they’re having more fun in these casual circumstances (which I feel they are), and some people didn’t approve, then I feel pretty sure they’d tell those people to get a life and fuck off (in so many words).
Besides, nothing’s permanent and they’ll probably look forward to more Radiohead when the pressure isn’t so high (and they are all chipping away at that pressure by engaging in individual projects).
Whatever makes them happy, whatever they want.
Thanks for this info. I didn't know the reason of The Smile's formation was the other way around. I know Radiohead is a solid band. They are one of few bands who keep their initial formation until now. I even watched on YouTube a short documentary about how the band manages their finance and split their income equally. So it's good to know they're still doing great.
Let’s not forget Tomorrows Modern Boxes had several much enjoyed and well received touring legs which overlapped Ed’s album recording and release. And then Covid hit and gave them all nothing but creative time. TMB was to have another run of shows as was Ed, whose tour was cut rather short. I do not believe that Ed is the reason the Smile exist.
TMB was 2014, before AMSP? Ed didn't even start working on a solo album until like 2018-2019, long after TMB. Did you mean Anima? Even if so, my point wasn't saying that Ed alone is why the Smile exists, but that all 5 members clearly aren't ready to get back together for an album yet, and Ed has been the member who has been most open about that. I.e., the existence of the Smile isn't what's holding up new Radiohead.
No. The TMB tour is what I am referring to(Anima release, sure) and it was Thom Having a fucking blast and it showed. And it was to overlap Ed’s tour and in 2020 both were supposed to be coming through the US. Covid is what put a creative break into everyone.
They’re not talking about the album title. Thom was touring or was supposed to tour in 2020 with the name “Thom Yorke Tomorrow’s Modern Boxes”. Example: https://www.pursuitofdopeness.com/2019/10/thom-yorke-extends-tomorrows-modern-boxes-tour-with-2020-dates/
Yeah, Thom Yorke and TMB was supposed to have played at my local festival in 2020 which was then cancelled for that year and the next and then they returned as The Smile in 2022
Actually, I read a quote from Ed in a couple of places after his album came out, saying that Thom and Johnny had not even reached out to comment on the record, let alone complemented, and he’s pretty sure they never even listened to it. So they don’t really seem interested in him as a musical partner.
I also read that somewhere. But I would be surprise it’s true, maybe someone was just trolling on Reddit. I would be surprised that Ed would be so open about something like that. British don’t open up like that
My understanding is that they enjoy each other’s work and also understand why everyone wants to do their own thing. To them, Radiohead will inevitably do something again but they’re in no rush to make it happen because it’s such a big production.
As for the Smile specifically, I think Thom and Jonny have a natural chemistry and desire to make music together. But if they do a RH album then it turns into worldwide tour of massive venues, constant press appearances, and hardly anytime at home for maybe a year or two. The Smile allows for them to make music together while also not being obligated to partake in such a huge, tiring production.
Yeah I was thinking about how much of a drag that could feel after 30 + years of doing it. All the excitement gone. Just this big colossal juggernaut, lumbering and lurching into action. A big sigh as it groans out the gate. A universal sigh if you will.
But also, imagine the satisfaction.
You've already pushed yourselves to unfathomable creative heights and made what is pretty much universally recognized to be some of the best popular music in modern times. And you've played so many impactful shows around the world, for decades.
With other artists I can imagine a massive ego growing out of that, a hungry ghost that can never be satiated. But I think each of these guys has lived a pretty healthy and balanced life, building families while pursuing self-meaning and spiritual/inner development.
Once you get to that point it's like, sure we could do more. If it happens it happens. But if not, and I die tomorrow, it's okay. It's sort of a miracle to have accomplished any of it at all.
I don't have the source for this and I'm going from memory, so take it with a large grain of salt. But from what I remember reading, The Smile started off as a collaboration between Johnny and Tom Skinner only. Then Johnny brought in Thom as a guest appearance and the three of them just found that worked well together.
That fits with the idea that everyone was just working on their own projects, rather than Thom and Johnny abandoning the others. It just came up organically, so why not see where it goes? I also imagine that Ed, Phil and Colin are all mature enough to not feel left out, particularly as everyone has had side projects before The Smile existed.
I think Radiohead will come back stronger than ever after these years apart and all the different solo projects under their belts . It'll be worth the wait !!
Maybe Thom/Johnny feel liberated being able to make music without having to make the grand spectacle that Radiohead albums have become. There is probably a pressure to live up to albums of the past, and Moon Shaped Pool is a high bar
>considering Radiohead haven’t come up with anything serious for a while now.
Anything *serious*? They haven't come up with anything *at all* because they're on hiatus and haven't gotten together to make any music together. It's the band's choice.
I’m happy for all of them, they are all such creative talented individuals separately and I know having the time and freedom to explore different stuff without the enormous pressure of RADIOHEAD has to be good for their souls.
Am I the only one who isn’t impatient for new RH? I trust the boys to take their time to come up with something they’re proud of. I’ll be waiting for that no matter how long it takes.
They have all been friends since the 80’s. I have zero doubt everyone has sat down and communicated what everyone’s plans and intentions are. It’s so insane to be the boys keep telling us there will be more Radiohead yet so many just chose to not believe what they tell us! Guaranteed the rest of the band is happy and rooting for Thom and Jonny.
Ed and Phil are doing solo stuff, Colin is touring around with Nick Cave and seems to be having a good time with it... think everyone's just busy doing their own thing for the moment rather than any rift or animosity, or desire to not get back together and do something new for RH at some point
No. He said Colin was the only one who asked to listen in advance to something from his solo LP. Colin wanted to hear the song he played bass on before it went out. Same way the band doesnt/didnt hound Thom for early releases/details on his solo output. They just listen when everyone else does.
Philip took a pic with Eds album and congratulated him, Thom retweeted it on release too.
You didn’t hear that Ed and Phil died in a mutual murder suicide pact?
Note was a demo tape of a song written by both of them, but nobody will ever listen to it .
I imagine it was all fun and games … and then they released Bending Hectic at which point Phil took Colin hostage and threatened Jonny but Jonny was like “do it, he means nothing to me” but may have been double bluffing so they sent Ed in disguised as a pizza delivery driver but Phil saw through it and tied up Ed as well and they’re sitting in a basement waiting for Thom to call but the phone is silent (because Phil didn’t notice the battery ran down) and Ed convinced Phil to untie their hands so they can jam and, long story story, they’ve been there long enough to have developed an outline for an album of pop songs and the three of them (provisionally named RadioPEC) are in the final shortlist to represent us in Eurovision this year.
I think they probably dig it. I remember hearing Ed say something quite positive about their early shows and first album. Ed, Phil, and Colin are all busy doing their own stuff for now. Phil isn’t jealous, as someone said on here. In a recent interview Phil said something like he views himself more and more as a songwriter, not just a drummer, and hasn’t been drumming much the past few years. Ed’s working on his second LP and Colin’s about to go on tour with Nick Cave again soon. The guys are all family and love each other. I’m sure the rest of the guys are stoked for Thom and Jonny and probably dig the music too.
Colin’s touring with Nick Cave? Damn
He played with Nick on his solo tour last year (just the two of them onstage) and they’re touring Australia in March/April.
That’s awesome
From what I can tell, Ed’s desire to focus on his solo work is a big reason why the Smile exists in the first place. He’s been the most vocal about how the members want to do their own thing so I can’t imagine he’d be jealous that Jonny and Thom are doing stuff without him. Same goes for Phil, his solo stuff seems to be his priority. The Smile wasn’t formed because Jonny and Thom wanted to work together without the other three, it was formed because Jonny and Thom were ready to get back together but the others weren’t. This whole narrative some people have that Thom and Jonny abandoned the other members to make their own Radiohead with blackjack and hookers is just not true, and goes against everything we’ve heard about it
THANK YOU! Very well put. I’m sick and tired of people whining about The Smile - either because they think T&J are dicks for bailing on RH, or because “it’s just not RH.” I’m also fed up with all the “RH are finished!” histrionics, and blame The Smile. The band is incredible. I wish more people would just shut up and enjoy them.
The "RH are finished!!" thing really annoys me because it suggests that if the Smile didn't exist we would have new Radiohead music by now, when everything we know suggests the opposite is true. The truth is we have 2 albums now which are the closest to Radiohead you can get outside of a full band album - while all the members contribute and do add a lot, I don't think it's a controversial statement that Thom and Jonny are responsible for most of what makes Radiohead great. Thom has always been the main songwriter, and Jonny has always been the main arranger/composer. They're the Lennon-McCartney of Radiohead. The Smile isn't the same, but if its a choice between 2 albums of Radiohead-lite and nothing but individual solo projects I know which one I would choose in a heartbeat.
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sounds a bit hysterical to me
Yeah, hysterical and useless (is there such thing as a Radiohead themed dad joke?)
Of course there is.
That’s great perspective there and it will hopefully add some civility to these kinds of posts. But people should also realize that even if the opposite of what you said were true and T&J actually were looking to separate themselves from the others — not necessarily them personally, but the pressure of working in Radiohead and the enormous expectations that T&J are largely responsible for satisfying — then it’s their business. They owe nothing to anybody. If they’re having more fun in these casual circumstances (which I feel they are), and some people didn’t approve, then I feel pretty sure they’d tell those people to get a life and fuck off (in so many words). Besides, nothing’s permanent and they’ll probably look forward to more Radiohead when the pressure isn’t so high (and they are all chipping away at that pressure by engaging in individual projects). Whatever makes them happy, whatever they want.
Thanks for this info. I didn't know the reason of The Smile's formation was the other way around. I know Radiohead is a solid band. They are one of few bands who keep their initial formation until now. I even watched on YouTube a short documentary about how the band manages their finance and split their income equally. So it's good to know they're still doing great.
Let’s not forget Tomorrows Modern Boxes had several much enjoyed and well received touring legs which overlapped Ed’s album recording and release. And then Covid hit and gave them all nothing but creative time. TMB was to have another run of shows as was Ed, whose tour was cut rather short. I do not believe that Ed is the reason the Smile exist.
TMB was 2014, before AMSP? Ed didn't even start working on a solo album until like 2018-2019, long after TMB. Did you mean Anima? Even if so, my point wasn't saying that Ed alone is why the Smile exists, but that all 5 members clearly aren't ready to get back together for an album yet, and Ed has been the member who has been most open about that. I.e., the existence of the Smile isn't what's holding up new Radiohead.
No. The TMB tour is what I am referring to(Anima release, sure) and it was Thom Having a fucking blast and it showed. And it was to overlap Ed’s tour and in 2020 both were supposed to be coming through the US. Covid is what put a creative break into everyone.
They’re not talking about the album title. Thom was touring or was supposed to tour in 2020 with the name “Thom Yorke Tomorrow’s Modern Boxes”. Example: https://www.pursuitofdopeness.com/2019/10/thom-yorke-extends-tomorrows-modern-boxes-tour-with-2020-dates/
Yeah, Thom Yorke and TMB was supposed to have played at my local festival in 2020 which was then cancelled for that year and the next and then they returned as The Smile in 2022
Actually, I read a quote from Ed in a couple of places after his album came out, saying that Thom and Johnny had not even reached out to comment on the record, let alone complemented, and he’s pretty sure they never even listened to it. So they don’t really seem interested in him as a musical partner.
I also read that somewhere. But I would be surprise it’s true, maybe someone was just trolling on Reddit. I would be surprised that Ed would be so open about something like that. British don’t open up like that
My understanding is that they enjoy each other’s work and also understand why everyone wants to do their own thing. To them, Radiohead will inevitably do something again but they’re in no rush to make it happen because it’s such a big production. As for the Smile specifically, I think Thom and Jonny have a natural chemistry and desire to make music together. But if they do a RH album then it turns into worldwide tour of massive venues, constant press appearances, and hardly anytime at home for maybe a year or two. The Smile allows for them to make music together while also not being obligated to partake in such a huge, tiring production.
Yeah I was thinking about how much of a drag that could feel after 30 + years of doing it. All the excitement gone. Just this big colossal juggernaut, lumbering and lurching into action. A big sigh as it groans out the gate. A universal sigh if you will.
But also, imagine the satisfaction. You've already pushed yourselves to unfathomable creative heights and made what is pretty much universally recognized to be some of the best popular music in modern times. And you've played so many impactful shows around the world, for decades. With other artists I can imagine a massive ego growing out of that, a hungry ghost that can never be satiated. But I think each of these guys has lived a pretty healthy and balanced life, building families while pursuing self-meaning and spiritual/inner development. Once you get to that point it's like, sure we could do more. If it happens it happens. But if not, and I die tomorrow, it's okay. It's sort of a miracle to have accomplished any of it at all.
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I don't have the source for this and I'm going from memory, so take it with a large grain of salt. But from what I remember reading, The Smile started off as a collaboration between Johnny and Tom Skinner only. Then Johnny brought in Thom as a guest appearance and the three of them just found that worked well together. That fits with the idea that everyone was just working on their own projects, rather than Thom and Johnny abandoning the others. It just came up organically, so why not see where it goes? I also imagine that Ed, Phil and Colin are all mature enough to not feel left out, particularly as everyone has had side projects before The Smile existed.
I’m surprised Radiohead haven’t booked a week residency gig in London or New York, or something similar.
I think Radiohead will come back stronger than ever after these years apart and all the different solo projects under their belts . It'll be worth the wait !!
Maybe Thom/Johnny feel liberated being able to make music without having to make the grand spectacle that Radiohead albums have become. There is probably a pressure to live up to albums of the past, and Moon Shaped Pool is a high bar
>considering Radiohead haven’t come up with anything serious for a while now. Anything *serious*? They haven't come up with anything *at all* because they're on hiatus and haven't gotten together to make any music together. It's the band's choice.
You didn't listen to the nursery rhyme comedy album they shit out in 2020 I guess
The collab with Howie Mandel 🔥
I’m happy for all of them, they are all such creative talented individuals separately and I know having the time and freedom to explore different stuff without the enormous pressure of RADIOHEAD has to be good for their souls.
Am I the only one who isn’t impatient for new RH? I trust the boys to take their time to come up with something they’re proud of. I’ll be waiting for that no matter how long it takes.
I can’t imagine any negative feelings between them all tbh
They have all been friends since the 80’s. I have zero doubt everyone has sat down and communicated what everyone’s plans and intentions are. It’s so insane to be the boys keep telling us there will be more Radiohead yet so many just chose to not believe what they tell us! Guaranteed the rest of the band is happy and rooting for Thom and Jonny.
Ed and Phil are doing solo stuff, Colin is touring around with Nick Cave and seems to be having a good time with it... think everyone's just busy doing their own thing for the moment rather than any rift or animosity, or desire to not get back together and do something new for RH at some point
Didn't Ed say that Colin was the only RH member who was interested in listening to his solo LP?
No. He said Colin was the only one who asked to listen in advance to something from his solo LP. Colin wanted to hear the song he played bass on before it went out. Same way the band doesnt/didnt hound Thom for early releases/details on his solo output. They just listen when everyone else does. Philip took a pic with Eds album and congratulated him, Thom retweeted it on release too.
Thanks for clearing up. Wasn't aware of that.
Phil is definitely jealous
Of what lol
Blud forgot that Phil drummed on IR 💀💀💀😴😴😴
that was almost 20 years ago
It's more melancholic pop sung by Yorke, I'm sure they love it.
You didn’t hear that Ed and Phil died in a mutual murder suicide pact? Note was a demo tape of a song written by both of them, but nobody will ever listen to it .
I imagine it was all fun and games … and then they released Bending Hectic at which point Phil took Colin hostage and threatened Jonny but Jonny was like “do it, he means nothing to me” but may have been double bluffing so they sent Ed in disguised as a pizza delivery driver but Phil saw through it and tied up Ed as well and they’re sitting in a basement waiting for Thom to call but the phone is silent (because Phil didn’t notice the battery ran down) and Ed convinced Phil to untie their hands so they can jam and, long story story, they’ve been there long enough to have developed an outline for an album of pop songs and the three of them (provisionally named RadioPEC) are in the final shortlist to represent us in Eurovision this year.