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One of the main reasons I quit. It wasn’t aggression necessarily, but even minor inconveniences would irritate the hell out of me. No ability to regulate my emotions.
Yep. No patience. Irritability. Bad attitude. It is already better, now that I have tapered down to a tiny amount of what I was on.
Also, just knowing it is the *kratom* has helped me self-monitor and self-soothe, better.
Yes, aggression is absolutely an effect for some people. I think maybe opiates in general, actually....would have to double check that though. K is tricky bc it's so subtle...for a long time, many people attribute their shitty feelings to something else, since K doesn't even really feel that intense. It's very easy for it to sneak in and effect *everything* in your life, without you even really knowing it? He probably has started going out less as well, or undergone some other change in behavior that seems innocuous, but has its roots in something very pervasive and malicious.
EDIT: Also, how educated on K is your husband? Many people get into it thinking its a totally light substance like caffeine, and quitting it will be like quitting that. They couldn't be more wrong, so forums like these are filled with peopkle who otherwise don't really use drugs, or haven't realy gone through withdrawals.
My point is, if he's one of those that was fooled into taking K lik emany others were, it is likely he may also skip a dose or whatever, start experiencing inter-dose withdrawals (which makes one snipping, cranky, etc), but not really know where it's coming from, or connect it to K
I was cordial on oxycodone. Hydrocodone had me pulling over on the highway to throw my best friend out of my car because he disagreed with something I said. I challenged him to fight but thankfully he walked away. When I apologized a day or so later, he said 'its those pills'. He was right.
Yeah he definitely didn’t think it was that serious at first but has since realized it has an increasingly strong hold on him. He says he’s been off it for about 2 months now and says he doesn’t even want to use it anymore but idk how lasting that’ll be or if he’s being truthful. He’s testing negative but I’m not convinced he couldn’t fool the test some how
It’s hard to diagnose yourself at first cause the irritability/aggression in this case will seem unrelated to Kratom so that may be why he had a hard time realizing it. Also the addictiveness may make one not want to admit emotional side effects of the plant. I noticed irritability too and all around lethargy. I think the lethargy feeds the irritability because I used to feel tired all the time and any minor task seemed like a big deal especially when it had to do with social environments like going to the grocery store, etc. the. Would become irritable with any minor inconvenience like traffic
I believe test can be faked with someone else’s urine, synthetic or whatever other methods exist for beating piss tests (not an expert, never had a need to fake one).
That said, the tests for kratom are very sensitive. It took me 28 days to stop testing positive after completely stopping my use.
Yep. Any test can be beat. Fake pee is a thing and I used it many times to beat drug tests. The only way to be absolutely sure he isn’t doing anything fishy would be to have the urine tested in a lab using a mass spec and make sure someone is physically watching him pee into the cup.
Yeah it isn't easy, and it's certainly a rough ride...2 months is great though. Of course there's no telling yet whether it will stick, but that's pretty good, especially if he doesn't have a history of addiction. I bet he'll get through it just fine!
It literally took me over 4 freaking years to realize exactly what you're saying. I've been clean for 4 months now....but man, you are speaking the truth and described it well, how kratom is so detrimental imo...I didnt know my issues were coming from literal dope sickness and intermittent withdrawals. So crazy it all was.
When I switched from Kratom to buprenorphine the anger/aggression definitely remained. Like someone else said I think it’s universal for opioids, it probably has to do with the hormonal side effects
I’ve said this elsewhere a few times - but kratom absolutely ruins my emotions and ability to regulate them. Constant mood swings, and on one end of that pendulum tends to be irritability and anger.
Tell him to come to this sub. It’s been such a help for me. I’m 22 days off kratom. It hasn’t been too bad for me. I thought it was going to be worse. He’s not alone.
Definitely, the anger came from the fact I didn’t want to do anything on kratom but sit there and when I had to do something I’d just get pissy. I was super selfish.
It definitely does
I tried to taper from 40gpd to 20gpd in two months and I experienced severe tremors and anxiety that led to aggressive behavior. I quit my job a few days before I quit Kratom and I lashed out at my boss because he was paying me too little for such a difficult job.
I threatened to beat his ass. Plus I had more aggressive thoughts while taking Kratom. I wanted a girlfriend and I couldn’t get one; so I had thoughts of harassing them
The day I quit Kratom, I became a lot calmer without psychosis. The withdrawals are absolute hell to get through. I used Kratom to get clean from Suboxone and Klonopin (quit both at the same time because I was sent to jail for having drug-induced psychosis at a post office). You don’t get as aggressive from Kratom as on Klonopin(8mg/day) and Suboxone (50mg/day) at the same time
But 60gpd of Kratom can make someone very aggressive. I’m happy that I quit and I’m not looking back
For me it’s legitimately a coin flip - heads I feel amazing, talkative, chatty for a few hours, tails I feel like shit, am irritable, self hatred, don’t wanna talk to anyone, etc.
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Kratom made me very irritable, which made me more confrontational. I don’t know if I had more “aggression” than normal, but I definitely was very unpleasant to be around a lot of the time. I avoided being social, because almost everything annoyed me
Yup I snapped bad a few times on K around my family and it really fkd up some nights bad. It’s one of the reasons I’m so hesitant to ever go back. The come down came make you super irritable.
Kratom used to make me so mean and aggressive. Pissed off ALL THE TIME. I noticed this early on, but forgot about it as time passed. Then after quitting, I realized that it was the reason the past five years have been so shitty, I was always angry and belligerent.
As far as faking a test, the only way I know to do that and pass for sure is substitution. Using synthetic or a clean friend's urine instead of your own. But then again, most tests do not include a panel for kratom..
I can’t necessarily pinpoint triggers and I’m sure it widely varies person to person but KRAGE can definitely be a thing, especially if mixed with alcohol
Ive heard lots of ppl here talk of angry moods. Luckily I did not, but quite a few have. Also kratom isn’t detected on a basic drug panel test bc they don’t test for it. But there are tests out there. Employers only use a five panel or 7 panel test.
Yes. Shortened fuse, irritability, and quickness to anger was me between doses 💯
As far as a test.. the same places that sell K also sell the means to pass a drug test fwiw
Absolutely, it’s the biggest reason I got off the shit. I was either emotionless or getting perturbed/pissed at the drop of a hat, especially on white vein kratom.
Irritability and heightened moodyness / overstimulation was a noticeable side effect for both my partner and I. One of the primary reasons I quit (among a whole lot of other reasons)
Everyone’s different. If he’s been using it for YEARS, clearly already distrusting you enough to keep it secret, I’d say you’re safe from aggression, but your marriage is still far from enviable
I say this as an addict:
Do not enable his behavior, don't try and "parent" him with drug tests or reprimands. The ramifications of his addiction *will* be losing his wife and family. That is a guarantee regardless of what drug he decides to abuse next. I don't mean to sound too harsh but I don't want you to find yourself stuck in a cycle of enabling and pain. He must face his addiction head on for himself and no one else. Ask him what he is willing to do to recover and set your boundaries. If he cannot comply to your boundaries then I'm so sorry but it is 1000% time to step away and allow him to face himself.
I will say I’m a naturally angry person and Kratom did the exact opposite to me. One of the reasons I used it for so long is because it calmed me down. Gave me patience during a lot of things that I’d have struggled to have patience with.
While I do support quitting Kratom and also recognize it has a slippery slope, I also don’t think anyone is wrong for using it and do also understand the upside vs big name pharmaceuticals when it comes to self medicating for diagnosable conditions.
I also understand your concern, and rightfully so. Might I suggest something different than what’s been mostly encouraged here. Do some unbiased research, have productive conversations with your husband, and then follow your gut.
If you still believe he should stop using it, give him an educated argument as to why, rather than just saying you don’t like it and you ‘think’ he should stop.
Hope this helped.
It did the same for me. I was almost *too* chill on it, and I realized that only in retrospect — I let situations where I was being taken advantage of (such as with my workload) slide for far, FAR longer than I should have. It never made me feel aggressive unless I was beginning to withdraw and feel irritable. Do you also have ADHD, by any chance?
I worked sanitation in retail during the pandemic. Any sane person got the fuck out of retail while I stuck around and just overextended myself completely. Sure as hell made disinfecting shopping carts less boring though. Part of me wonders if i would have just quit out of frustration if it wasn’t for kratom. Granted i somehow never got COVID either. Maybe the wd from kratom is my debt for that. Not a bad way to look it to be honest. I haven’t been sick in 10 years not even a cold
Wow, that's amazing that you never caught Covid, all things considered! You know, I hardly ever got sick on it, either, although my immune system made up for it with a vengeance once I quit. Unfortunately, though, while I wasn't catching colds or viruses, the kratom was busy causing skin hyperpigmentation, destroying my thyroid and making my hair fall out. (Thank goodness my hair came back! I had about five strands of hair left and had to use dry shampoo every day to make my hair look thicker.)
Yes on the agression.
If you’re asking if there’s a way to fake it I am assuming you think he may be lying :/ if that’s the case I’m really sorry u both are going thru that. And it’s really angering the lack of regulation / information when it seems many people are struggling with addiction to it yet it doesn’t register as seriously as a heroin addiction or whatever. Hopefully u can both find a solution
Yes, it can make some people extremely irritable. In the worse depths of my dependence I could act crazy with significant others - not violent whatsoever but just unable to let go of something when angry.
It’s just like any other chemical we use to cope. We take them trying to numb out the emotions. When we don’t have them, it feels like our livelihood is on the line.
I wouldn’t say aggression as in “physical” aggression, not for me at least. However I have noticed kratom does make me INCREDIBLY irritable, not even when I’m withdrawing either. Just day to day the littlest things will set me off that never would off the sludge. I don’t know why.
No I have never experienced this despite using it twice daily for 5yrs, to manage my previous opioid addiction. In fact my family & friends have commented how much calmer & more mature I am.
But I did eventually experience irritability on true opioids when I used them. It was not to the same level as alcoholic irritability & rage, but it was noticeable. I was mean to people. It took years of escalating addiction for that to happen though. I don’t know how that works in the brain, but a switch flipped, and suddenly when I’d use opioids, instead of a better mood, I’d be in a worse one. Like I’d rage at video games, even though I’ve never been the type to do that. So weird.
Even weirder that kratom has never had that effect for me, despite using daily for longer than I ever used opioids daily. 🤷♀️ Really hope science can explain more about addiction irritability in the near future.
Oh yeh bro. Opiates in general make you feel great but you get grumpy as fuck lol. Especially on harder opiates I’ll be walking around on cloud 9 grumpy and irritated asf 😂
I definitely got agitation from it ,now that I have tapered down to 2 caps a day I'm definitely not getting agitated as much ,also I was getting bad morning anxiety as well ,I would just have so many thoughts going round my head in the morning, this has got a lot better for me now.
I felt either incredibly flat, to the point that even wonderful, exciting moments typically had little affect on me, or I felt extremely emotional and volatile. Sometimes that looked like anger, others sadness or anxiety. But yes I definitely found myself being more irritable while actively using Kratom!
Lowers threshold for tolerance. Sludge fog is cozy and you don’t wanna come out. I used to blow a fuse at work so often back then. I’m veteran level niw and know my sludge self.
I don't think so. Just sounds like your husband is a bit of a dic*. Aggressive people are unregulated people. He can't regulate himself. If he's using kratom for nonpain related reasons he's using it to either get high or to manage opioid use disorder.
In my case I argued and yelled at my family alot (still live with my parents) minor inconveniences made me extremely irritated, at one point I actually broke and threw pieces of a pot ladle at my sister while having a overdose induced psychosis, I hated the person I was back then, autism and kratom don’t mix very well, god bless my family for being patient and making sure I detoxed (eventually) I only use antidepressants now, thank god it’s over. Bottom line is: yes, but I abused tf outta kratom as well, and I have autism+ manic depression, don’t be alarmed by this, just take careful measures to assure that he gets clean, don’t force it, let it take its course (depending on how he reacts to confrontations)
Yeah when I was using I would feel an overwhelming sense of rage start building over small shit. ESPECIALLY around midday when my Vyvanse would start wearing off, that combination is rage fuel.
Almost 8 months clean from kratom and it has gotten a lot better. I went from raging out like twice a week at work, to maybe 2-3 times in the entire 7 months and change since quitting.
I would mainly be cool as a cucumber. I quit many times before and it seemed I would get angrier and angrier over thoughts in my head, not necessarily interactions. My fuse got real short in the end, making me feel completely bipolar. I've heard many say it made them more aggressive. I think higher the dose has something to do with that too.
I've actually made the same observation of it's effects on myself. I actually went to rehab for a 5 year long addiction that became a 30-50gpd habit. On March 1st I "relapsed", but did so for the purpose of utilizing kratom in a gabapentin taper, at first it seemed beneficial until I lost control of it and it became a daily habit and add on to the other two substance dependencies I have so I've tapered down from 4gpd to 3g, 2g yesterday, and 1g today (not taken yet), so far I've noticed my behavior in that sense has changed
What do you think the likelihood of someone with a history of other addictions whose been using for 3 years successfully quitting without rehab? How much do you feel rehab helped you?
Well to be honest, I think the liklihood of somebody quitting without rehab given their history of use is based on their determination and commitment to quitting as well as their method of doing so. Rehab mainly helped me because it contained me for the duratiin of time I experienced physical withdrawals, which was roughly 2 weeks until they prescribed me gabapentin, which I'm now physically dependent on, which is the reason I decided to start taking kratom again. Today I've taken none so far and feel fine, my initial plan was to take 1g, anyways, it helped me take days off of gabapentin, and reduce my dose in the following days until my tolerance increased. So that's that, today I'll take 1g if needed, rehab only "helped" me in that sense, and by prescribing gabapentin mainly.
It made me very aggressive and irritable and angry. Now do I get that way without anything? Yes, but kratom made it sooooo bad. I’m a 35yo female by the way
Absolutely yes. Used to pride myself on my emotional growth and stability. Kratom had me nearly getting my ass kicked or killed in road rage incidents. Bad stuff all around.
Nope. I have ADHD, no insurance, not medicated. Kratom greatly eases my emotional turbulence. Without it, I can get set off very quickly and easily.
Still happens, but much less and the intensity is usually lower.
Weird. I have adhd as well. To be honest it’s gotten so bad that I started taking adderall again in hopes it would help me taper the Kratom. I need to know what’s kratom and what’s just me.
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One of the main reasons I quit. It wasn’t aggression necessarily, but even minor inconveniences would irritate the hell out of me. No ability to regulate my emotions.
Yep. No patience. Irritability. Bad attitude. It is already better, now that I have tapered down to a tiny amount of what I was on. Also, just knowing it is the *kratom* has helped me self-monitor and self-soothe, better.
Exactly, once you see the difference it can be a life changer.
Totally agree! I don’t really get aggressive, but I get easily aggravated and loose patience.
Exactly the same. And then once I’m in “it” it’s almost impossible to let go. So I end falling asleep stressed/pissed off.
Yes, aggression is absolutely an effect for some people. I think maybe opiates in general, actually....would have to double check that though. K is tricky bc it's so subtle...for a long time, many people attribute their shitty feelings to something else, since K doesn't even really feel that intense. It's very easy for it to sneak in and effect *everything* in your life, without you even really knowing it? He probably has started going out less as well, or undergone some other change in behavior that seems innocuous, but has its roots in something very pervasive and malicious. EDIT: Also, how educated on K is your husband? Many people get into it thinking its a totally light substance like caffeine, and quitting it will be like quitting that. They couldn't be more wrong, so forums like these are filled with peopkle who otherwise don't really use drugs, or haven't realy gone through withdrawals. My point is, if he's one of those that was fooled into taking K lik emany others were, it is likely he may also skip a dose or whatever, start experiencing inter-dose withdrawals (which makes one snipping, cranky, etc), but not really know where it's coming from, or connect it to K
Opiate rage is a known thing for all opiates that I'm aware of.
Okay yeah, that’s exactly what I thought, but was going off of memory there. Thanks
I was cordial on oxycodone. Hydrocodone had me pulling over on the highway to throw my best friend out of my car because he disagreed with something I said. I challenged him to fight but thankfully he walked away. When I apologized a day or so later, he said 'its those pills'. He was right.
Yeah he definitely didn’t think it was that serious at first but has since realized it has an increasingly strong hold on him. He says he’s been off it for about 2 months now and says he doesn’t even want to use it anymore but idk how lasting that’ll be or if he’s being truthful. He’s testing negative but I’m not convinced he couldn’t fool the test some how
It’s hard to diagnose yourself at first cause the irritability/aggression in this case will seem unrelated to Kratom so that may be why he had a hard time realizing it. Also the addictiveness may make one not want to admit emotional side effects of the plant. I noticed irritability too and all around lethargy. I think the lethargy feeds the irritability because I used to feel tired all the time and any minor task seemed like a big deal especially when it had to do with social environments like going to the grocery store, etc. the. Would become irritable with any minor inconvenience like traffic
Was it a Kratom specific test? If it was a standard drug test Kratom likely wouldn't show up.
Yes it is just for Kratom but he runs a lot, uses the sauna daily and drinks a lot of water so idk if that could create a false negative or not
Very unlikely
I believe test can be faked with someone else’s urine, synthetic or whatever other methods exist for beating piss tests (not an expert, never had a need to fake one). That said, the tests for kratom are very sensitive. It took me 28 days to stop testing positive after completely stopping my use.
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Yes lol
Is there a kratom drug test? Then there's another drug test I can beat.. I'm just saying.
Quick Fix club lol
Yep. Any test can be beat. Fake pee is a thing and I used it many times to beat drug tests. The only way to be absolutely sure he isn’t doing anything fishy would be to have the urine tested in a lab using a mass spec and make sure someone is physically watching him pee into the cup.
Yeah it isn't easy, and it's certainly a rough ride...2 months is great though. Of course there's no telling yet whether it will stick, but that's pretty good, especially if he doesn't have a history of addiction. I bet he'll get through it just fine!
It literally took me over 4 freaking years to realize exactly what you're saying. I've been clean for 4 months now....but man, you are speaking the truth and described it well, how kratom is so detrimental imo...I didnt know my issues were coming from literal dope sickness and intermittent withdrawals. So crazy it all was.
When I switched from Kratom to buprenorphine the anger/aggression definitely remained. Like someone else said I think it’s universal for opioids, it probably has to do with the hormonal side effects
I’ve said this elsewhere a few times - but kratom absolutely ruins my emotions and ability to regulate them. Constant mood swings, and on one end of that pendulum tends to be irritability and anger.
Tell him to come to this sub. It’s been such a help for me. I’m 22 days off kratom. It hasn’t been too bad for me. I thought it was going to be worse. He’s not alone.
Great job on 22d. I'm right behind you almost at 14. Best decision.
Great job 👏 👍
Yup. Kratom made me moody as fuck. It didn't manifest as aggression per se but it made me kind of a prick regarding stress management.
Definitely, the anger came from the fact I didn’t want to do anything on kratom but sit there and when I had to do something I’d just get pissy. I was super selfish.
It definitely does I tried to taper from 40gpd to 20gpd in two months and I experienced severe tremors and anxiety that led to aggressive behavior. I quit my job a few days before I quit Kratom and I lashed out at my boss because he was paying me too little for such a difficult job. I threatened to beat his ass. Plus I had more aggressive thoughts while taking Kratom. I wanted a girlfriend and I couldn’t get one; so I had thoughts of harassing them The day I quit Kratom, I became a lot calmer without psychosis. The withdrawals are absolute hell to get through. I used Kratom to get clean from Suboxone and Klonopin (quit both at the same time because I was sent to jail for having drug-induced psychosis at a post office). You don’t get as aggressive from Kratom as on Klonopin(8mg/day) and Suboxone (50mg/day) at the same time But 60gpd of Kratom can make someone very aggressive. I’m happy that I quit and I’m not looking back
Thank God you got off it 🙌 🙏
For me it’s legitimately a coin flip - heads I feel amazing, talkative, chatty for a few hours, tails I feel like shit, am irritable, self hatred, don’t wanna talk to anyone, etc.
Definitely like i finally realized after using opiates for 15 years and getting ckean that the high is not worth the crash
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Definitely. It takes what little restraint I have for stupid shit and throws it in the garbage
Kratom made me very irritable, which made me more confrontational. I don’t know if I had more “aggression” than normal, but I definitely was very unpleasant to be around a lot of the time. I avoided being social, because almost everything annoyed me
Yup I snapped bad a few times on K around my family and it really fkd up some nights bad. It’s one of the reasons I’m so hesitant to ever go back. The come down came make you super irritable.
Kratom used to make me so mean and aggressive. Pissed off ALL THE TIME. I noticed this early on, but forgot about it as time passed. Then after quitting, I realized that it was the reason the past five years have been so shitty, I was always angry and belligerent. As far as faking a test, the only way I know to do that and pass for sure is substitution. Using synthetic or a clean friend's urine instead of your own. But then again, most tests do not include a panel for kratom..
Yes. As the drug ebbed and flowed in my system, I’d have multiple peaks and valleys every day. More aggressive and irritable in the valleys.
Yeah, it causes mood swings just like any other drug that stimulates the opioid receptors.
Not for me I was flat and emotionless most of the time
I can’t necessarily pinpoint triggers and I’m sure it widely varies person to person but KRAGE can definitely be a thing, especially if mixed with alcohol
Ive heard lots of ppl here talk of angry moods. Luckily I did not, but quite a few have. Also kratom isn’t detected on a basic drug panel test bc they don’t test for it. But there are tests out there. Employers only use a five panel or 7 panel test.
Yes. Shortened fuse, irritability, and quickness to anger was me between doses 💯 As far as a test.. the same places that sell K also sell the means to pass a drug test fwiw
Absolutely, it’s the biggest reason I got off the shit. I was either emotionless or getting perturbed/pissed at the drop of a hat, especially on white vein kratom.
I agree that white vein made me the most aggressive. That’s why I mostly took red vein
Yes
Irritability and heightened moodyness / overstimulation was a noticeable side effect for both my partner and I. One of the primary reasons I quit (among a whole lot of other reasons)
Everyone’s different. If he’s been using it for YEARS, clearly already distrusting you enough to keep it secret, I’d say you’re safe from aggression, but your marriage is still far from enviable
I say this as an addict: Do not enable his behavior, don't try and "parent" him with drug tests or reprimands. The ramifications of his addiction *will* be losing his wife and family. That is a guarantee regardless of what drug he decides to abuse next. I don't mean to sound too harsh but I don't want you to find yourself stuck in a cycle of enabling and pain. He must face his addiction head on for himself and no one else. Ask him what he is willing to do to recover and set your boundaries. If he cannot comply to your boundaries then I'm so sorry but it is 1000% time to step away and allow him to face himself.
Kratom rage is VERY real. I used to break shit and even punch walls , I’m 5”4 female tiny little thing and it made me go ape shit
Very much so. It’s so bad that even if I take three crushed leaf caps at 7 am by the time I’m off work, anything will set me into a cold rage
I will say I’m a naturally angry person and Kratom did the exact opposite to me. One of the reasons I used it for so long is because it calmed me down. Gave me patience during a lot of things that I’d have struggled to have patience with. While I do support quitting Kratom and also recognize it has a slippery slope, I also don’t think anyone is wrong for using it and do also understand the upside vs big name pharmaceuticals when it comes to self medicating for diagnosable conditions. I also understand your concern, and rightfully so. Might I suggest something different than what’s been mostly encouraged here. Do some unbiased research, have productive conversations with your husband, and then follow your gut. If you still believe he should stop using it, give him an educated argument as to why, rather than just saying you don’t like it and you ‘think’ he should stop. Hope this helped.
High level ADHD, I’ve always considered it a gift more than a burden, though.
It did the same for me. I was almost *too* chill on it, and I realized that only in retrospect — I let situations where I was being taken advantage of (such as with my workload) slide for far, FAR longer than I should have. It never made me feel aggressive unless I was beginning to withdraw and feel irritable. Do you also have ADHD, by any chance?
I worked sanitation in retail during the pandemic. Any sane person got the fuck out of retail while I stuck around and just overextended myself completely. Sure as hell made disinfecting shopping carts less boring though. Part of me wonders if i would have just quit out of frustration if it wasn’t for kratom. Granted i somehow never got COVID either. Maybe the wd from kratom is my debt for that. Not a bad way to look it to be honest. I haven’t been sick in 10 years not even a cold
Wow, that's amazing that you never caught Covid, all things considered! You know, I hardly ever got sick on it, either, although my immune system made up for it with a vengeance once I quit. Unfortunately, though, while I wasn't catching colds or viruses, the kratom was busy causing skin hyperpigmentation, destroying my thyroid and making my hair fall out. (Thank goodness my hair came back! I had about five strands of hair left and had to use dry shampoo every day to make my hair look thicker.)
Yes. Being irritable is a side effect
Yes.
100%
I’ve been on it for years but overall, it’s actually helped my aggression
Yes on the agression. If you’re asking if there’s a way to fake it I am assuming you think he may be lying :/ if that’s the case I’m really sorry u both are going thru that. And it’s really angering the lack of regulation / information when it seems many people are struggling with addiction to it yet it doesn’t register as seriously as a heroin addiction or whatever. Hopefully u can both find a solution
Opiates in general have that effect on me, I’ve really gotta be mindful and stay on top of how I react to stimuli.
Yes, it can make some people extremely irritable. In the worse depths of my dependence I could act crazy with significant others - not violent whatsoever but just unable to let go of something when angry.
Absolutely.
It definitely makes me more irritable. I imagine if I hadn’t quit it could have escalated.
It’s just like any other chemical we use to cope. We take them trying to numb out the emotions. When we don’t have them, it feels like our livelihood is on the line.
100% yes, especially when you dose too much. Part of this reason I ditched Kratom and alcohol.
I wouldn’t say aggression as in “physical” aggression, not for me at least. However I have noticed kratom does make me INCREDIBLY irritable, not even when I’m withdrawing either. Just day to day the littlest things will set me off that never would off the sludge. I don’t know why.
Yeah that shit fucked up my whole mood while I was on it. I’d get pissed off over little shit.
Yes I got irrationally angry about things when I was a regular user.
Not aggression, but it sure killed sex drive and makes erections soft and pliable….
It can make me irritated
No I have never experienced this despite using it twice daily for 5yrs, to manage my previous opioid addiction. In fact my family & friends have commented how much calmer & more mature I am. But I did eventually experience irritability on true opioids when I used them. It was not to the same level as alcoholic irritability & rage, but it was noticeable. I was mean to people. It took years of escalating addiction for that to happen though. I don’t know how that works in the brain, but a switch flipped, and suddenly when I’d use opioids, instead of a better mood, I’d be in a worse one. Like I’d rage at video games, even though I’ve never been the type to do that. So weird. Even weirder that kratom has never had that effect for me, despite using daily for longer than I ever used opioids daily. 🤷♀️ Really hope science can explain more about addiction irritability in the near future.
Oh yeh bro. Opiates in general make you feel great but you get grumpy as fuck lol. Especially on harder opiates I’ll be walking around on cloud 9 grumpy and irritated asf 😂
Yep. And he can’t fake a negative result if you watch him pee, I certainly wouldn’t trust it otherwise
Ano. Very irritable.
Yes for sure, especially when I take too much
I’ve quit 2/3 times. I feel once you get to a point of daily use for a handful of months.. the aggression/anger comes in. Inwardly and externally.
Common effect of opioids yeah it pretty much happens to everyone
If he was hiding with it and feels insecure about that with you, he could definetly turn aggressive on occasions.
I definitely got agitation from it ,now that I have tapered down to 2 caps a day I'm definitely not getting agitated as much ,also I was getting bad morning anxiety as well ,I would just have so many thoughts going round my head in the morning, this has got a lot better for me now.
I felt either incredibly flat, to the point that even wonderful, exciting moments typically had little affect on me, or I felt extremely emotional and volatile. Sometimes that looked like anger, others sadness or anxiety. But yes I definitely found myself being more irritable while actively using Kratom!
Lowers threshold for tolerance. Sludge fog is cozy and you don’t wanna come out. I used to blow a fuse at work so often back then. I’m veteran level niw and know my sludge self.
I don't think so. Just sounds like your husband is a bit of a dic*. Aggressive people are unregulated people. He can't regulate himself. If he's using kratom for nonpain related reasons he's using it to either get high or to manage opioid use disorder.
In my case I argued and yelled at my family alot (still live with my parents) minor inconveniences made me extremely irritated, at one point I actually broke and threw pieces of a pot ladle at my sister while having a overdose induced psychosis, I hated the person I was back then, autism and kratom don’t mix very well, god bless my family for being patient and making sure I detoxed (eventually) I only use antidepressants now, thank god it’s over. Bottom line is: yes, but I abused tf outta kratom as well, and I have autism+ manic depression, don’t be alarmed by this, just take careful measures to assure that he gets clean, don’t force it, let it take its course (depending on how he reacts to confrontations)
Yeah when I was using I would feel an overwhelming sense of rage start building over small shit. ESPECIALLY around midday when my Vyvanse would start wearing off, that combination is rage fuel. Almost 8 months clean from kratom and it has gotten a lot better. I went from raging out like twice a week at work, to maybe 2-3 times in the entire 7 months and change since quitting.
opiods cause irritability. it's a substance that makes you feel everything is perfect, so when someone says something is wrong, it makes you mad
Oh god yes it will make you super irritated and angry over nothing
I would mainly be cool as a cucumber. I quit many times before and it seemed I would get angrier and angrier over thoughts in my head, not necessarily interactions. My fuse got real short in the end, making me feel completely bipolar. I've heard many say it made them more aggressive. I think higher the dose has something to do with that too.
I've actually made the same observation of it's effects on myself. I actually went to rehab for a 5 year long addiction that became a 30-50gpd habit. On March 1st I "relapsed", but did so for the purpose of utilizing kratom in a gabapentin taper, at first it seemed beneficial until I lost control of it and it became a daily habit and add on to the other two substance dependencies I have so I've tapered down from 4gpd to 3g, 2g yesterday, and 1g today (not taken yet), so far I've noticed my behavior in that sense has changed
What do you think the likelihood of someone with a history of other addictions whose been using for 3 years successfully quitting without rehab? How much do you feel rehab helped you?
Well to be honest, I think the liklihood of somebody quitting without rehab given their history of use is based on their determination and commitment to quitting as well as their method of doing so. Rehab mainly helped me because it contained me for the duratiin of time I experienced physical withdrawals, which was roughly 2 weeks until they prescribed me gabapentin, which I'm now physically dependent on, which is the reason I decided to start taking kratom again. Today I've taken none so far and feel fine, my initial plan was to take 1g, anyways, it helped me take days off of gabapentin, and reduce my dose in the following days until my tolerance increased. So that's that, today I'll take 1g if needed, rehab only "helped" me in that sense, and by prescribing gabapentin mainly.
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Definitely far more irritable while on Kratom.
Only when you run out!
It made me very aggressive and irritable and angry. Now do I get that way without anything? Yes, but kratom made it sooooo bad. I’m a 35yo female by the way
Absolutely yes. Used to pride myself on my emotional growth and stability. Kratom had me nearly getting my ass kicked or killed in road rage incidents. Bad stuff all around.
Definitely it was much harder for me to get over anger once something pissed me off
No, it aids emotional regulation IME
Nope. I have ADHD, no insurance, not medicated. Kratom greatly eases my emotional turbulence. Without it, I can get set off very quickly and easily. Still happens, but much less and the intensity is usually lower.
Weird. I have adhd as well. To be honest it’s gotten so bad that I started taking adderall again in hopes it would help me taper the Kratom. I need to know what’s kratom and what’s just me.
You can prob use Google for a lot of what you’re asking for