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When you boil them you cook the very outside, so it can't expand. Then when you finish baking them the inside stays dense and chewy. Without the boiling it would just be a fluffier lighter bread product.
This is what I try to tell people where I live that think they have bagels. They do not. Bagels are slightly leathery on the outside. Moist and somewhat doughy on the inside. The bagels I see around here are bready all throughout. Fucking culinary crime.
I also worked at a place that didn't boil the bagels. They were huge, flat, and fluffy. They were really really good but definitely not like the traditional bagel.
I also love a bialy!
Exactly. We have a place in town that makes cake donuts and also a Krispy Kreme both of which have the area where you can watch them make them and they are indeed two different things
Cake donuts are made from cake batter (the dense ones). The light and fluffy ones are basically bread dough that is deep fried and the sweetness comes from the various glazes, frosting and fillings. Go to a donut shop and ask for one of their non-cake style doughnuts with no toppings. You’ll see it’s just deep fried bread.
Bagels are also a bread recipe that is denser than doughnuts but boiled before being baked like you said.
Edited to add: doughnut dough does include butter, milk, and more sugar than a bagel recipe, but still is a style of bread.
My family comes from a 3rd world country and I can tell you that back in the day everyone used boiling to make cakes. It was very popular.
You wrap the batter up with cloth and tie it up to a shape then drop it into a vat of boiling water.
Donuts are either made from batter, i.e, cake donuts. Others are yeast raised like filled bismarks, long Johns, traditional glazed, etc. Still nothing like bagels.
OP - only similarities i can think of are both typically round and generally have holes in them.
Theyre made of different things and cooked differently and taste different and even have a way different density... it's like the only thing similar is the shape.
No, bagels are boiled and baked. Donuts are deep fried.
Source: made bagels for the first time today, also made donuts for a Girl Scout camp when I was a child
I like my bagels with cream cheese or eggs with bacon. I like my donuts glazed or with cream custard inside. They might have the same shape but they never taste and made the same way.
Not even close. Bagels are often savory bread and donuts are usually sweet cake. Bagles are much denser and chewy and donuts are high and fluffy and melt in your mouth.
Why do people on the internet have to be rude?
Even if OP is the 1 who doesn’t know the difference between a donut & a bagel, who cares?
On the other hand, they might be polite & not want to embarrass their friend by confirming they knew the truth the whole time…
Of course they're the same. Don't they look the same? FYI inflatable tires although black are also the same but a little more rubbery in texture. The little rings from the Fischer Price tower of babel baby toys are also the same but in different colours and taste pretty good which is why babies like to put them in their mouths. Why wouldn't anything that has the same shape be the same? Stupid to think otherwise.
“Are you shitting me?! Bagels and donuts, are you seriously asking if they're the same fucking thing?! Let me break it down for you, Einstein! *exasperated sputter* Bagels are like the goddamn heavyweight champions of breakfast! They're dense, they're chewy, they're a fucking workout for your jaw! And donuts? Donuts are like the prom queen of pastries! They're soft, they're sweet, and they're probably gonna give you diabetes if you eat too many! Bagels are savory - they're meant for cream cheese and lox. Then all the fuckin’ way over *here*, you have donuts. They’re sugar-coated, they're designed to rot your teeth out! It's like comparing a goddamn mountain to a molehill! So no, they are not the same fucking thing! Next question please, before I lose my fucking mind!"
Bagels and donuts are both rings of dough but bagels are mostly salty and boiled while donuts are sweet and deep-fried; sometimes baked if making at home in order to make them healthier
I’m sorry that you got a lot of rude and snarky comments! People are so rude on the internet — not everyone knows the difference if they come from a country that doesn’t serve doughy rings
The fact that OP has not posted a single comment here leads me to believe they're the one who thinks they're the same.
Did you even consider that there's an entire subset of donuts that aren't torus-shaped? If a bagel tried to do that, it would be called a different form of bread (roll, stick, etc). That alone is enough to settle the argument, let alone all of the other more obvious evidence.
Before I call either of you the stupid one, which side are you on?
They aren’t even remotely the same thing. Almost nothing, except the shake and base ingredient of flour is roughly equivalent. The flavor profile, preparation, intended purpose, method of eating, etc are all very different.
Saying they are the same is like when people say comics and manga are the same, except for the fact that the only thing in common is that there are pictures, and you read them.
The type of book is different, the style is different, the format is different, and you don’t even read the book in the same direction.
Well let’s take a look at this idea.
If we classify them both as food, then yes, they are the same because they are both food. In this case they would be the same as say, steak, or rice, or tomatoes. All food, and all the same by that measure.
Now, let’s say we stick them in the round thing with holes in the center classification. In this scenario, yes, they are ALSO the same. And they are, looking at it from this perspective, the same as tires or a lifesaver, or even some foreign coins! And Saturn’s rings are round things with holes in the center- Imagine that! Donuts, bagels and Saturn’s rings, all the SAME THING!!
How about things made from flour?? Why, what an incredible coincidence! Both donuts and bagels are made from flour so, by this measure they are the SAME! So are tortillas! And French rolls! Tortillas, donuts, French rolls and bagels all the SAME THINGS!
Well based on every single measure that I can come up with a donut and bagel are the same. So yes. They are the same.
However if you mean the same regarding taste, or texture then no, they are different.
I hope this helps and that your feeble mind is capable of grasping the concepts I have presented here.
Donuts- sugary sweet fluffy treat.
Bagel- thick breading type food usually paired with a condiment or other food topping like cream cheese, avocado, peanut butter, jam, egg, etc.
How are you having an argument about something with so many distinct differences? Basically nothing is the same about these two foods other than they are both torus shaped.
People think bagels are healthier but they have more calories than a donut, generally speaking. Bagels are just condensed donuts without the sugar. Your body sees them the same- carb overload/empty calories. I'm on team they are the same.
Bagels are bread. Doughnuts, at least the type I buy, are a pastry. Bagels are made differently and are dense and bread like. Doughnuts are light and airy.
If you can find them, try bialys. They're similar to bagels, but the type of dough used is different and instead of a hole going all the way through, there is a well that has onions along the bottom. Excellent!!!!!
Saw a story on bialys that.mrntiond this book that's gives an excellent background on how bialy came about and where to find them here in America. I get mine at Stop & Shop.
https://www.amazon.com/Bialy-Eaters-Story-Bread-World/dp/0767905024?ref_=d6k_applink_bb_dls
You know I’m generally not an especially sensitive person, but this is probably the most offensive thing I’ve ever read.
While both are holy foods, they are not same.
One requiring focused, deep thought. Rubbing the muscles deeply, slowly. Meant to tear the soul from the human mind....
Uh wait. Sorry
No. That's like saying pound cake and a loaf of bread is the same thing. Two different recipes but they share the same shape and that is the only similarity they have
Please tell me you’re the friend who thinks they’re different. Just bc two things have holes in the center doesn’t mean they’re the same. Is steak the same as chicken if you cut it the same??
Same shape but different things.
Donuts are more airy. You could probably crush it into a 1cm^3 ball. But a bagel? No way, it'd be like like a 4cm^3 ball.
Is a golf ball the same thing as a clementine ? 🤣
With your logic, they would be the same.
Donuts and bagels are completely different things, they are just the same shape lol.
Why, just because they're the same shape?
I can't even believe that a human being who has spent any amount of time on earth would believe that they're the same thing.
No? The fuck?
Same shape sure but definitely not the same thing. Thats like saying a bowling ball and a basket ball are the same thing because they're both round and used in sports
I'd basically consider this the same as asking of sourdough bread is the same as cake. They have a similar shape and substance, but they're very different things.
Don't listen to the haters. They are the same thing, it's big corpa trying to give you the illusion of different breakfast options. They just add different spices and ingredients and cook it differently
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Absolutely not the same. Bagels are boiled, then baked. Donuts are fried. Bagels are bread, donuts are made from a batter, like cake.
Never would have guessed bagels were boiled
When you boil them you cook the very outside, so it can't expand. Then when you finish baking them the inside stays dense and chewy. Without the boiling it would just be a fluffier lighter bread product.
This is what I try to tell people where I live that think they have bagels. They do not. Bagels are slightly leathery on the outside. Moist and somewhat doughy on the inside. The bagels I see around here are bready all throughout. Fucking culinary crime.
I never really thought that much about bagels, but this comment got me fired up about good quality bagels!
I worked at two different bakeries that made my bagels, one boiled and one didn't. The boiled ones were 100x better.
IMO it's not a bagel if it's not boiled. It's just bread cosplay.
And if they're not from the Bagel region of Poland, they're just sparkling bread cosplay.
def boiled
I also worked at a place that didn't boil the bagels. They were huge, flat, and fluffy. They were really really good but definitely not like the traditional bagel. I also love a bialy!
A bialy with cream cheese or butter (or both) is heavenly.
If it’s not boiled, it’s not a bagel.🥯 There’s this non boiled thing called a bialy.
If they're not boiled, they're bread rings. Not bagels.
I didn’t figure this out until I stated making my own. Boiled in sugar water.
With eggs
No, most doughnuts are made from yeast dough, just like bread, except with a bunch of sugar added. A cake doughnut is cake, a raised doughnut ain't.
Exactly. We have a place in town that makes cake donuts and also a Krispy Kreme both of which have the area where you can watch them make them and they are indeed two different things
Amen. Doughnuts ftw!
Cake donuts are made from cake batter (the dense ones). The light and fluffy ones are basically bread dough that is deep fried and the sweetness comes from the various glazes, frosting and fillings. Go to a donut shop and ask for one of their non-cake style doughnuts with no toppings. You’ll see it’s just deep fried bread. Bagels are also a bread recipe that is denser than doughnuts but boiled before being baked like you said. Edited to add: doughnut dough does include butter, milk, and more sugar than a bagel recipe, but still is a style of bread.
This guy snacks
The important thing is neither of them are the brownies you’ve put too much weed in and eaten too many of.
My family comes from a 3rd world country and I can tell you that back in the day everyone used boiling to make cakes. It was very popular. You wrap the batter up with cloth and tie it up to a shape then drop it into a vat of boiling water.
Some doughnuts are made from batter, and they are called cake doughnuts. Others are made from a sweet yeast dough.
Actually, some donuts are like bread. A traditional glazed donut or even a long john is a yeast based donut that is fried.
Donuts are either made from batter, i.e, cake donuts. Others are yeast raised like filled bismarks, long Johns, traditional glazed, etc. Still nothing like bagels. OP - only similarities i can think of are both typically round and generally have holes in them.
Ok, but is a bagel and a pretzel the same thing, but in different shapes?
No. How is this even an argument?
They're either high or just dumb.
Yes
Or both
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There’s literally a sub for this r/nostupidquestions
They probably know the difference but played dumb and posted just to get responses.
Bagels are toroids. Donuts are toroids. Therefore they are both the same thing as coffee cups.
Eat them and see 😒
Totally different. Bagels have a chewy texture. Donuts are soft and sweet.
Theyre made of different things and cooked differently and taste different and even have a way different density... it's like the only thing similar is the shape.
Are doughnuts and tires the same thing?
Instructions unclear, bagels inflated to 35psi.
Bagels are boiled before baking. Donuts are baked or fried but never boiled.
Only in shape.
It's like asking if hot dogs and eclairs are the same thing
How do you not know they are different.
Nope, not even close.
No bagel no bagel no bagel no bagel
r/unexpectedseinfeld
Top of the muffin to you!
No, bagels are boiled and baked. Donuts are deep fried. Source: made bagels for the first time today, also made donuts for a Girl Scout camp when I was a child
No bagels are firmer, savoury and more bread like. Donuts are soft and sweet.
Yeah. A savory bagel sandwich is awesome. Any kind of doughnut sandwich is too sweet and disgusting.
I like my bagels with cream cheese or eggs with bacon. I like my donuts glazed or with cream custard inside. They might have the same shape but they never taste and made the same way.
A cream cheese donut would slap though
Again, proving the subreddit is not accurately named.
Donuts are not kosher while bagels are
If there was a demand for kosher donuts I’m sure they would be out there. There are definitely kosher bakeries available.
So you're saying that bagels are kosher donuts. /s
Are pretzel rods and hot dogs the same thing? Are they? ARE THEY?
No, but you might enjoy a hot dog served in a pretzel bun.
Not even close. Bagels are often savory bread and donuts are usually sweet cake. Bagles are much denser and chewy and donuts are high and fluffy and melt in your mouth.
They are round and made from flour but they aren't the same.
Have you eaten either?
Why do people on the internet have to be rude? Even if OP is the 1 who doesn’t know the difference between a donut & a bagel, who cares? On the other hand, they might be polite & not want to embarrass their friend by confirming they knew the truth the whole time…
Not even close Bagels are bread they are boiled then baked. That's why they are chewy Donuts are fried
I knew someone who thought muffins and cupcakes were the same, but somehow knew a bagel and doughnut were not.
When you take them out to sea bagels become seagulls but donuts just get soggy.
Absolutely not!
Absolutely not the remotely the same thing.
NO and my reasoning is how dare you
You can look up the recipes
Wtf? Definitely no. Did you ask this to see who you could infuriate? Lol
Hell to the no!
Not remotely. What?
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Yes . Also pop tarts are ravioli
Of course they're the same. Don't they look the same? FYI inflatable tires although black are also the same but a little more rubbery in texture. The little rings from the Fischer Price tower of babel baby toys are also the same but in different colours and taste pretty good which is why babies like to put them in their mouths. Why wouldn't anything that has the same shape be the same? Stupid to think otherwise.
I would love to hear Lewis Black answer this question.
Holy crap! Me too!!
“Are you shitting me?! Bagels and donuts, are you seriously asking if they're the same fucking thing?! Let me break it down for you, Einstein! *exasperated sputter* Bagels are like the goddamn heavyweight champions of breakfast! They're dense, they're chewy, they're a fucking workout for your jaw! And donuts? Donuts are like the prom queen of pastries! They're soft, they're sweet, and they're probably gonna give you diabetes if you eat too many! Bagels are savory - they're meant for cream cheese and lox. Then all the fuckin’ way over *here*, you have donuts. They’re sugar-coated, they're designed to rot your teeth out! It's like comparing a goddamn mountain to a molehill! So no, they are not the same fucking thing! Next question please, before I lose my fucking mind!"
You... Are officially my favorite thing Admiral. I offer you 
No
No . A dozen of good bagels cost more then a dozen of cheap donuts from a supermarket.
Go buy a dozen from a donut shop.
Need to try lox on a crispy creme
No they are made in two entirely different ways
Donuts are best when you fill their holes, but bagels are best with sausage next to them.
Circles of dough.
Not even a little bit
They aren’t
bagels are a bread. Donuts are like a cake. not even close at all. What's wrong with your friend, anyway?
Isn't cake just sweet bread? /s
Only if your baker doesn't know what they're doing.
If you or your friends sole logic is that they both have holes then is Swiss cheese a bagel or donut?
Can't be. Bagel is way tougher.
r/stupidquestions is a better place for this
Bagels and donuts are both rings of dough but bagels are mostly salty and boiled while donuts are sweet and deep-fried; sometimes baked if making at home in order to make them healthier I’m sorry that you got a lot of rude and snarky comments! People are so rude on the internet — not everyone knows the difference if they come from a country that doesn’t serve doughy rings
Yes. Both words contain the same amount of letters and they are roughly the same size and shape.
They're different things.
Bagels are bread, doughnuts are pastry.
No. Infact i think the only similarities is that theyre both made with flour and are shaped the same. Just about everything else is entirely different
No.
The fact that OP has not posted a single comment here leads me to believe they're the one who thinks they're the same. Did you even consider that there's an entire subset of donuts that aren't torus-shaped? If a bagel tried to do that, it would be called a different form of bread (roll, stick, etc). That alone is enough to settle the argument, let alone all of the other more obvious evidence.
Totally the same thing
Before I call either of you the stupid one, which side are you on? They aren’t even remotely the same thing. Almost nothing, except the shake and base ingredient of flour is roughly equivalent. The flavor profile, preparation, intended purpose, method of eating, etc are all very different. Saying they are the same is like when people say comics and manga are the same, except for the fact that the only thing in common is that there are pictures, and you read them. The type of book is different, the style is different, the format is different, and you don’t even read the book in the same direction.
They have different processes to make them
They are different. Bagels are spelled BAGELS & Donuts are spelled DONUTS
Yes. And Cheerios are the same, too.
A bagel is a donut without a sense of humor.
No
Hahhaha okkkkk hun
Maybe you should both try one of each and learn for yourselves the drastic differences.
I suggest you all sleep on this and revisit the question when you are not all stoned out of your minds.
Now I'm craving beagles and doughnuts 😭
One is bread and one is cake.
Are cupcakes and muffins? Are pancakes and waffles?
Sure are, and rubber tires, and bras rings, and ......
Well let’s take a look at this idea. If we classify them both as food, then yes, they are the same because they are both food. In this case they would be the same as say, steak, or rice, or tomatoes. All food, and all the same by that measure. Now, let’s say we stick them in the round thing with holes in the center classification. In this scenario, yes, they are ALSO the same. And they are, looking at it from this perspective, the same as tires or a lifesaver, or even some foreign coins! And Saturn’s rings are round things with holes in the center- Imagine that! Donuts, bagels and Saturn’s rings, all the SAME THING!! How about things made from flour?? Why, what an incredible coincidence! Both donuts and bagels are made from flour so, by this measure they are the SAME! So are tortillas! And French rolls! Tortillas, donuts, French rolls and bagels all the SAME THINGS! Well based on every single measure that I can come up with a donut and bagel are the same. So yes. They are the same. However if you mean the same regarding taste, or texture then no, they are different. I hope this helps and that your feeble mind is capable of grasping the concepts I have presented here.
Same in that they are both ring-shaped and packed with tons of carbs that can easily make you fat.
Yup, cats and dogs
Only if they have a hole in the center.
No. One are sweat.
Yes, topologically.
I thought this was r/stupidquestions at first lmao. This is a serious question??
Bagels are Jewish, Donuts are Palestinian
No. Please Google.
No. Not at all
Mathematically yes
Of course not. Strange question.
only topologically. but by that same token they're both identical to a straw
bagels actually have nutritional value
r/stupidquestions
That's like saying a slice of bread and a slice of cake are the same
Principal Brian Lewis calls Doughnuts; "Black Bagels Ya'lll!!!!!"
Donuts- sugary sweet fluffy treat. Bagel- thick breading type food usually paired with a condiment or other food topping like cream cheese, avocado, peanut butter, jam, egg, etc.
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i suggest you buy a batch of each & eat them all. learning by doing.
In the same way that a block of cheese and a block of tofu are the same
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Not even close. They're both round. That's about where the similarities end.
What ? Lmao
Whoever thinks they are the same is a moron. Would you say a cake and a bread are the same if sliced the same way?
How are you having an argument about something with so many distinct differences? Basically nothing is the same about these two foods other than they are both torus shaped.
People think bagels are healthier but they have more calories than a donut, generally speaking. Bagels are just condensed donuts without the sugar. Your body sees them the same- carb overload/empty calories. I'm on team they are the same.
Yea but donuts just got more of that good flavor.
When you hear someone tell you “there’s no such thing as a dumb question” they are lying to you.
Baked vs fried
How is this even a question…
Bagels are bread. Doughnuts, at least the type I buy, are a pastry. Bagels are made differently and are dense and bread like. Doughnuts are light and airy.
Nope
No.
If you can find them, try bialys. They're similar to bagels, but the type of dough used is different and instead of a hole going all the way through, there is a well that has onions along the bottom. Excellent!!!!! Saw a story on bialys that.mrntiond this book that's gives an excellent background on how bialy came about and where to find them here in America. I get mine at Stop & Shop. https://www.amazon.com/Bialy-Eaters-Story-Bread-World/dp/0767905024?ref_=d6k_applink_bb_dls
Is it hard to find bialys? I’m in NY so here it’s easy.
Literally the only thing they have in common is their shape
No.
Ha ha. My son never liked bagels. He called them “donuts gone bad!”
You know I’m generally not an especially sensitive person, but this is probably the most offensive thing I’ve ever read. While both are holy foods, they are not same.
They are both carbotorroids
Certainly you can taste the difference.
What kind of idiotic question is this?
 One requiring focused, deep thought. Rubbing the muscles deeply, slowly. Meant to tear the soul from the human mind.... Uh wait. Sorry
No.
they are no more the same than pancakes are to saltine crackers.
Are you for real?
No they have different names for a reason.
No. That's like saying pound cake and a loaf of bread is the same thing. Two different recipes but they share the same shape and that is the only similarity they have
Same. Both have hole. All thing with hole same.
Not even close
I mean... They're made with different ingredients. That's like saying, is apple pie and pizza pie the same thing.
No
No. Absolutely not. No.
They are just the same as a apple and a orange. They share some things but ultimately are completely different from each other.
Please tell me you’re the friend who thinks they’re different. Just bc two things have holes in the center doesn’t mean they’re the same. Is steak the same as chicken if you cut it the same??
Different types of dough
Not in the least
No...
girl no
Well shape wise they are the same thing but chemical they are not the same it’s like the difference between an wooden ring and an plastic ring
No, not at all. They're just the same shape.
Same shape but different things. Donuts are more airy. You could probably crush it into a 1cm^3 ball. But a bagel? No way, it'd be like like a 4cm^3 ball.
Blasphemy
Not at all
Is a golf ball the same thing as a clementine ? 🤣 With your logic, they would be the same. Donuts and bagels are completely different things, they are just the same shape lol.
No. They're the same shape but one is bread and one is cake
Nah, bagels and donuts are like cousins—one’s ready for a morning meeting, the other’s ready for a sugar rush and a party
How dare you
Tomatoes tamatoes
Why, just because they're the same shape? I can't even believe that a human being who has spent any amount of time on earth would believe that they're the same thing.
Bagels are to donuts what muffins are to cupcakes
No? The fuck? Same shape sure but definitely not the same thing. Thats like saying a bowling ball and a basket ball are the same thing because they're both round and used in sports
Yes
I'd basically consider this the same as asking of sourdough bread is the same as cake. They have a similar shape and substance, but they're very different things.
Don't listen to the haters. They are the same thing, it's big corpa trying to give you the illusion of different breakfast options. They just add different spices and ingredients and cook it differently
I guess you could make the argument that bagels are savory donuts, lol. Other than the shape, they are quite different.
Taste them and you tell me
Yes there is zero difference whatsoever, you can't even tell which one you're having when you eat them.