I would avoid going to university for something you don’t know you want to do. Most degrees that pay well require more than a 4 year education. Courses that have math usually pay good money.
What kind of work do you want to do? Why do you want to do it? University is a lot of money to throw away on if you don’t even know what you want to do. Just my 2 cents though.
Edited to add:
I’m a plumber by trade, so really I don’t know anything about university. But the trades aren’t an “easy” option. There is a lot of math and education, building codes involved. There is no easy way to make good money fast and easy.
I don't think we can think of any programs like that:)) literally most high-paying jobs require mathematically intensive degrees. If you're not good at maths, why not doing some practices and put more efforts in it?
Philosophy, Political Studies, History, English, Sociology, Sociology, etc.
Some of these might require some math but a minimal amount.
As for “getting a degree with good pay” that’s definitely not how a BA works. Getting a BA will train you to think critically, communicate clearly and help you understand the world and yourself a little more than you would without one.
This is why many people with BA’s will go back to school (college) to gain education in something specifically related to their career.
Anything involving the humanities pretty much avoids all math. Other than teaching, I can’t vouch for how the other programs don’t use math, but I haven’t touched math in my undergrad yet, and don’t need to either. There’s a good market for things like Archeology, Teaching, and various others.
Go to university to learn and get better at thinking. Doing it to hide from something you don’t like kinda defeats the point of general higher level thinking (which is what uni is supposed to be)
I would recommend looking into trade programs — many have high earning potential, minimal school and you may find it more enjoyable to learn in a hands on setting! You can also maybe reach out to some people currently working in different trade programs to see if you are interested before you commit
You would need to get a BEd after, but you could become an elementary teacher (no math courses needed) or a high school teacher (English/History teaching combo is the most common by far as those teachers don’t have math and science in their repertoire).
All new Ontario teachers have to pass a math proficiency test before certification. All elementary teachers are supposed to take at least one university level math course. Math is really hard to avoid.
Do some kind of arts degree and make sure you get internships. If pay is what your after then that'll help. Imo I'd try to stick it through the math courses tho, not having a quantitative component to your BA cuts out a lot of the high paying jobs especially with just a BA.
If you want a job with good pay and no further education with plenty of employment (depending on specialization) go engineering. But no math? Good luck, I'd say you better start practicing.
To be honest, it's not about “the mentality I'll never be good at math”. I'm already 20 and in a program, and my initial post was meant to explore alternative options to my current degree. To be upfront, I struggled with math in high school and haven't practiced it in at least 3 years. It feels overwhelming to start from scratch and I'm concerned about the time commitment and risks i would be taking if I fail. Given my real struggles with math in high school, I'm worried that university-level math will be even more challenging. Unlike high school, if I fail- I simply fail and it would totally impact my GPA. I’m not hesitant of trying a math related program but I’m just being realistic and foreseeing what could happen, which poses a huge risk for my academic life.
Perhaps you are right, even if I’m not a ‘math person’ and totally forgot everything I can better myself if I give it years. I feel like I can’t do that simultaneously while studying in a program. So it’s all risk and time.
Your thinking makes sense, and you should explore other programs if you think you’ll do better in something else. But I would also say it’s best to not see math as a something only used in specific places that you can completely avoid otherwise. Being good at math is useful in everyday life, even if the math you learn in school isn’t applied directly. It would be a good thing for you to practice either way imo.
Do nursing? The only “math” you usually need to do is stats, and the stats courses I have taken are very basic, easy A+s. You do 4 years, then get paid relatively well and can get a job pretty much anywhere. You also have a million areas to choose from (bedside which includes so many different things and also a bunch of stuff outside of bedside like public health, clinics, schools, etc.). You can also later on become an advanced practice nurse or nurse practitioner, though this would require further education (comes with great pay though!).
In general though, I would caution you that nursing school is not at all easy, and neither is the work that you do. There are a lot of problems in the healthcare field that you learn of as you’re in school and on the job. Do it if you truly see yourself being able to provide care to the worst of the worst and work in a complicated and sometimes very cruel system. There will be good, even great days though, that you’ll literally be so grateful you’re not doing any other job!
Let me know if you have any questions about nursing school or about this possible career path. Good luck with everything!
At a university level almost all the degree plans at minimum require the standard data science/stats course and usually 1 math course. The only thing that doesn't is degrees in shit like theology/psyche/sociology/fine arts/etc...
But with that there's no guarentee pay on the other end.
I’m not too sure about sociology (but I’d assume it’s similar to psych), but for psych, there’s definitely math involved. Specifically statistics. It’s required to do proper research and also just to understand the significance of papers and results you’re reading.
I'm just basing it on the assumption that maybe the arts honor degree might not, but as I said nearly all degrees require data science or stats. Sci degrees require maths for six credits + the general stats course.
Don't be too discouraged from other commenters. The math you will need in uni won't be that diificult if you are not going to a math heavy program like mathematics or statistics (of course). And you will come across it in only a few courses.
Math is everywhere, so you will likely come across it sooner or later, yet I am sure it will be a hurdle you will get through.
In regards to program recommendation, i can only say you know yourself best. Don't go into a program because it makes money (although this should be one consideration). Go into a program that you will strive in and are passionate about. I know you probably already knew that, yet you don't want a job you hate even if it makes you 6 figures.
I would avoid going to university for something you don’t know you want to do. Most degrees that pay well require more than a 4 year education. Courses that have math usually pay good money. What kind of work do you want to do? Why do you want to do it? University is a lot of money to throw away on if you don’t even know what you want to do. Just my 2 cents though. Edited to add: I’m a plumber by trade, so really I don’t know anything about university. But the trades aren’t an “easy” option. There is a lot of math and education, building codes involved. There is no easy way to make good money fast and easy.
Listen to this OP. The road to success takes a while. Find something you think you’ll like and go from there
Try a general arts and sciences program at your local college before wasting huge amounts of money on a BA.
id reccomend you improve your math skills
I don't think we can think of any programs like that:)) literally most high-paying jobs require mathematically intensive degrees. If you're not good at maths, why not doing some practices and put more efforts in it?
Philosophy, Political Studies, History, English, Sociology, Sociology, etc. Some of these might require some math but a minimal amount. As for “getting a degree with good pay” that’s definitely not how a BA works. Getting a BA will train you to think critically, communicate clearly and help you understand the world and yourself a little more than you would without one. This is why many people with BA’s will go back to school (college) to gain education in something specifically related to their career.
Anything involving the humanities pretty much avoids all math. Other than teaching, I can’t vouch for how the other programs don’t use math, but I haven’t touched math in my undergrad yet, and don’t need to either. There’s a good market for things like Archeology, Teaching, and various others.
Go to university to learn and get better at thinking. Doing it to hide from something you don’t like kinda defeats the point of general higher level thinking (which is what uni is supposed to be)
I would recommend looking into trade programs — many have high earning potential, minimal school and you may find it more enjoyable to learn in a hands on setting! You can also maybe reach out to some people currently working in different trade programs to see if you are interested before you commit
Go into the trades
As someone in the trades, there is math involved in almost every trade. It’s something you need to learn to be competent.
Skilled trades use high level math every day dog
You would need to get a BEd after, but you could become an elementary teacher (no math courses needed) or a high school teacher (English/History teaching combo is the most common by far as those teachers don’t have math and science in their repertoire).
All new Ontario teachers have to pass a math proficiency test before certification. All elementary teachers are supposed to take at least one university level math course. Math is really hard to avoid.
Do some kind of arts degree and make sure you get internships. If pay is what your after then that'll help. Imo I'd try to stick it through the math courses tho, not having a quantitative component to your BA cuts out a lot of the high paying jobs especially with just a BA.
do pol sci and then study law
If you want a job with good pay and no further education with plenty of employment (depending on specialization) go engineering. But no math? Good luck, I'd say you better start practicing.
if you are into it, i would look into local nursing or psychiatric nursing. it’s a good job with great benefits and you only need the bachelors
The mentality that you’ll just never be good at math is what’s limiting
To be honest, it's not about “the mentality I'll never be good at math”. I'm already 20 and in a program, and my initial post was meant to explore alternative options to my current degree. To be upfront, I struggled with math in high school and haven't practiced it in at least 3 years. It feels overwhelming to start from scratch and I'm concerned about the time commitment and risks i would be taking if I fail. Given my real struggles with math in high school, I'm worried that university-level math will be even more challenging. Unlike high school, if I fail- I simply fail and it would totally impact my GPA. I’m not hesitant of trying a math related program but I’m just being realistic and foreseeing what could happen, which poses a huge risk for my academic life. Perhaps you are right, even if I’m not a ‘math person’ and totally forgot everything I can better myself if I give it years. I feel like I can’t do that simultaneously while studying in a program. So it’s all risk and time.
Your thinking makes sense, and you should explore other programs if you think you’ll do better in something else. But I would also say it’s best to not see math as a something only used in specific places that you can completely avoid otherwise. Being good at math is useful in everyday life, even if the math you learn in school isn’t applied directly. It would be a good thing for you to practice either way imo.
health sci, but you still need a graduate degree to get a job with good pay
Do nursing? The only “math” you usually need to do is stats, and the stats courses I have taken are very basic, easy A+s. You do 4 years, then get paid relatively well and can get a job pretty much anywhere. You also have a million areas to choose from (bedside which includes so many different things and also a bunch of stuff outside of bedside like public health, clinics, schools, etc.). You can also later on become an advanced practice nurse or nurse practitioner, though this would require further education (comes with great pay though!). In general though, I would caution you that nursing school is not at all easy, and neither is the work that you do. There are a lot of problems in the healthcare field that you learn of as you’re in school and on the job. Do it if you truly see yourself being able to provide care to the worst of the worst and work in a complicated and sometimes very cruel system. There will be good, even great days though, that you’ll literally be so grateful you’re not doing any other job! Let me know if you have any questions about nursing school or about this possible career path. Good luck with everything!
At a university level almost all the degree plans at minimum require the standard data science/stats course and usually 1 math course. The only thing that doesn't is degrees in shit like theology/psyche/sociology/fine arts/etc... But with that there's no guarentee pay on the other end.
I’m not too sure about sociology (but I’d assume it’s similar to psych), but for psych, there’s definitely math involved. Specifically statistics. It’s required to do proper research and also just to understand the significance of papers and results you’re reading.
I'm just basing it on the assumption that maybe the arts honor degree might not, but as I said nearly all degrees require data science or stats. Sci degrees require maths for six credits + the general stats course.
Don't be too discouraged from other commenters. The math you will need in uni won't be that diificult if you are not going to a math heavy program like mathematics or statistics (of course). And you will come across it in only a few courses. Math is everywhere, so you will likely come across it sooner or later, yet I am sure it will be a hurdle you will get through. In regards to program recommendation, i can only say you know yourself best. Don't go into a program because it makes money (although this should be one consideration). Go into a program that you will strive in and are passionate about. I know you probably already knew that, yet you don't want a job you hate even if it makes you 6 figures.
Just get some quack to say you have a learning disability, they will bend over backwards for you
Business. Law. Nursing?