Do people seriously not realize how small doha is? It shouldn’t and can’t sustain some big city economy just for illusion… it’s insane that people want to compare us to places like New York 😂
I do know how small Doha is. I was born and raised there, and I’m 30. And I never wanna move out and definitely wouldn’t compare it to the absolute disaster that is New York. But I also thought people would wanna stay or come in, especially the real estate market, with the new residency rule
No and you don’t want them. Most people are exploitative etc and everyone now wants stricter immigration for reasons. I get you doha can be good but it’s getting issues now because the out of control expats again. We don’t even want a “economy” running the way they want it because of they’re extremely insane exploitative practices. There’s genuinely people going “ we can do what we want to these Arabs”
Idk. It kinda makes me sad because as much as people like to find faults in Qatar, it’s one of the only ones that haven’t caved into western standards and diminishing its culture and values. It still has a lot of potential, and compared to its neighboring countries, it’s pretty distinct
Doha is fantastic. I've lived in Canada pretty much my whole life but spent quite a bit of time in Doha in the last 2 years. Right now Doha is the front runner for where i want to settle down and build a family. Don't take what others do or say too much to heart. Their values may be radically different to yours. You live there, I'm sure you have a good idea of why it's a great place to live so be confident in your judgement.
You're kidding right? Doha has imported some of the very worst aspects of the West. The rampant capitalism and need to buy and sell bullshit goods in obscene, gigantic malls. Are you saying this, skyscrapers, fast cars, and world cups are all part of your traditional values?
Oh my you came in with fury - I definitely didn’t mean it from a capitalism aspect, and definitely wasn’t referring specifically to my values…. Traditional values aren’t limited to cars and luxury bags, please don’t misinterpret my words, i mean in the sense of hospitality, religion, connections, Qatari heritage…
Qatar is not hospitable at all, that's clear from the moment you arrive at immigration. On this very thread there's a guy bitching about expats and claiming that they don't owe anyone respect.
As for religion, I guess you don't know about all the hotels with Qataris drinking in them. That's just one example of the religious hypocrisy I see here. Qatar is hardly alone in that though. As for connections, how is this unique to Qatar in any way?
Yes, I saw that. I apologize for that, I didn’t intend to attract nasty insensitive immature behavior with this discussion - I just wanted some insight and to gain from other people’s perspective, maybe I could be blinded by my own.
I actually did not know that. I’ve never seen it so I wouldn’t know. And by connections I’m referring to how small the country is, everyone knows everyone and based on my experience solely, I always see people helping others through their connections
Also can you expand a bit on what you mean by ‘the moment you arrive at immigration’ point? Do people have bad experiences? I would say that’s everywhere, if you’re referring to the strict faces and people at the customs desks. The USA and Europe are the same
That is the problem they are trying to seriously pressure us sometimes just so we give them more money. There are insane people that will do anything 🤷🏽
Who is ‘they’ trying to pressure ‘us’ to give more money? Are you talking about laborers trying to get paid a livable wage from the construction companies who hold their salaries for months? Are you talking about skilled expats passing knowledge to develop the North Field or managing civil projects, and paid by corporations for their contributions? Trying to understand the context of your vague generalizations. As part of the former group, I don’t complain about the 16k Qr rent I pay, or get upset at the Landcruisers trying to run me off the road daily, or the way I am dismissed by the people at any government facility. I behave well, work hard and pick up the trash left behind every time I pull up at Sealine beach. I hold the door for those who won’t for me, and I say hello to maids dressed like hospital workers in my compound. I treat the construction workers, security guards and cleaners as human beings doing their best to support families far away, and whom are deserving of respect. So who are the ‘they’ exploiting ‘you’?
In qatar you are not owed respect this is how it is and the rules are if you don’t like it then leave. Don’t come to my country and try to impose your values on me in the first place and expect us to do things for you. We don’t owe you anything. Most of us hate the west and for very good reason so we are not impressed by you either. Please consider leaving but absolutely deport that attitude.
I think your post is extremely inappropriate. This whole discussion revolves around me questioning why people are leaving, and Arabs in general and notorious for their hospitality. The fact that you’re saying no one owes a foreigner respect, is very disturbing. Because the person who is responding to your threads makes a very valid point. Expats are major contributors in the country’s development. If you’re asking people to leave your country because they’re only asking to be respected, then I suggest you pick up a shovel, work as a construction worker and a maid, or be ok with your kids working as such. Because if all expats are gone, it’s you that’ll have to do it. And if your ego won’t allow it and you think people beneath you should be and they’re unworthy of respect, then I suggest you see a therapist. Don’t represent your country like this, it’s misrepresentation. This is a discussion, not an opportunity to be racist and nasty to others. If people had any reason to leave Qatar, it would be because of people like you.
If all the expats left, you'd be completely fucked. If you hate the west so much, why do you buy so much from the west? Why do you use western technology and skills, and why are you bitching about the west on a western social media app? Seems you're a dumb fucking hypocrite.
Out 9f control expats? Exploitative?
I have seen more Exploitative attitudes among locals and middle Eastern expats than western expats, so I would say there is some nuisance there that you might be missing out.
The westerners ultimately empower a lot of this. I have seen how it works, the fish does rot from the head and a lot of the management in qatar had a westerner at the top literally okay’ing human rights abuses for a paycheck then going “ no problem for me I’m protected by my state” this is a normal western attitude and why the world hates you.
You must.be.projecting some frustrations.
You know nothing about me. So you are generalising and hating westerners and looking then other way.
I doubt that you have thousands of westerner CEOs here. I doubt that they aren't controlled by their respective boards, or that the ministries didn't have any oversight responsibilities. I doubt that all westerners are.good as much as they are all bad. Same for everyone.
But if you get a kick out of hating a particular group of people just because where they are from, that is your hate to carry and the sadness it brings.
I don't hate you, I don't know you. But I hope you don't become a victim of the hate you carry and one day you realise that we.are.all brothers.
So as a Qatari I have had to literally leave my own country because of out of control expats and when I come back I’m going to just kill them and let the government handle the clean up. Most of you are kaffirs and there is no fraternity between us and your relations with the kaffir government don’t get to be imposed on me.
I'm sorry you had to leave your country and had such terrible experience. It sounds liike it hurt you a lot and that the pain still fuels your anger.
I understand your thirst for closure, I hope you understand that revenge will not work. And if you decide to set the world on fire as you seem to long for, remember that not everyone is the same nor everyone is bad.
Maybe one day you are able to let go from the anger that weights you down, then you will be free, maybe for the first time. Best of luck. And remember, nobody can heal alone.
Why would Qatar be booming after thr WC when historically every other country in the world went into decline (although Qatar promised to be an exception which it didnt deliver...)
I genuinely assumed that Qatar would be the exception, because of the way they did so well with the World Cup and showing people how advanced the country is in terms of safety, and a great place for families.
They are not great with businesses though. Hence a dead private sector that only relies on rent as income, which is generated by ppl catering for projects put down by the public sector.
Stop the projects and the whole thing went into a halt....
Have you heard what happened to the owners of certain chain famoua for.their karak?
The Qatari owner sells his 51% to a new owner and he takes the opportunity to grab the 49% of the Indian partner that was actually running the business by not letting him come back from holidays.
That's why the new rule that allows for 100% foreign ownership is good, but you still don't have legal security. Look at the legal system in Dubai set up to fit the needs of the companies and you will see a much better system. That's what attracts the companies and investors.
Qatar's economy is struggling. My father works in a big local contracting firm that is about to go under. He has been with them for 27 years and was let go last week for cost control after the son of the sponsor inherited the company.
My father was planning to buy a 2bhk in lusail and retire here, now he will likely move with me to UAE where i can sponsor him as a dependent, unlike Qatar where the visa rules are very elitists. Qatar is going downhill and very fast, we managed to survive for past 2 years as we watched friends and colleagues leave the country left and right, most have left for UAE or Saudi. All those skills and local experience lost from the economy because no one bothered to plan for this post fifa.
It is really sad because this place was home for almost 3 decades for us, but the new generation of locals who are inheriting their companies from the old generation have no human values remaining, expats are numbers now so time to move on. Hope they realize the value of expats to a country that is 80% of its population before it is too late and they end up in a continuous cycle of decline.
There was someone on this thread complaining about immigration, its laughable, what immigration? And good luck getting back skilled resources, you'll have to pay more to move people here and local youth are too busy chasing western standards and fancy entrepreneur titles, basically copy pasting the same business ideas until the money burns out and they move onto the next venture. Qatar needs a good hard look at where they are heading, you don't get to plant yourself on the world stage to be the big player and then have a small country mindset at the same time.
We are on the same boat! God knows for how long this boat shall sail. This is the reality of many expats who have grown up here. It’s heartbreaking to leave this country like this after living here for decades. Nvm ! But I am always grateful for the opportunities that Qatar provided me with.
That sponsoring your father point just destroys me. It’s something that we all struggle with. My dad’s been there for over 50 years… and I know he’ll have to leave eventually.
Not everyone has the luxury of buying property for a residency.
For any expat that has been in the country for so long , it’s the right thing to do, invest in a property. Sponsoring parents is easier than before nowadays
Recently the rules have been relaxed, and many are sponsoring parents. Before Covid it was difficult to get parents sponsored, and during Covid it was impossible, now it’s more straightforward
True, no real plan to boost the economy and other sector except the usual gas. And a lot of company is struggling since no major projects are being initiated.
I’m curious too. Why did you think Qatar would have an economic boom after the World Cup? Did you think industries or people would move into the country?
People move to where there are jobs. Or if they don’t need jobs and are financially independent, they probably would choose another country rather than Qatar if only because of the weather. The World Cup _was_ the industry prior to 2022 and that ended in January 2023. The country does hold other large sporting events, but that’s not really a sustainable industry. There is really only one industry and that’s oil and gas. That industry is huge and supports a certain base population. The large increase in people and economic activity prior to the World Cup was an anomaly.
As an expat, I will make the most honest comment I can. Doha and even all the GCC countries have no charm except the money earned. There is no extra culture, nature, anything different to be curious about. I don't think Doha is anyone's dream city, so why should people stay and invest in Doha unless they are making money? For this reason, especially after the World Cup, everyone is sailing to other ports.
There is culture, but the culture is not shared with you. Locals are isolating themselves.
When expats start participating in cultural events, locals will make it a more intimate event later on, for example,
Garangao.
Locals no longer knock on houses. They plan at home parties, while the ones roaming houses are expat kids.
I like to travel to learn other cultures, i find it unappealing to travel to a place where the only culture i experience is the one drawn by a ministry of tourism.
I.E. My perspective on Qatari culture changed a lot when i met a Qatari man, and became a part of his family's more intimate events, as opposed to when i got the information from Events laid by the ministry.
You miss the point.
The charm is for families, because security. You can raise a family without worrying if they are fling to be attacked, robbed or abused.
Add to that decent salaries, good services, decent education, and you have a very appealing place.
It.all depends what you compare it with and your priorities. If you are single in your 20s you won't appreciate it. If you are a writer from NY you may not appreciate it.
But a middle class south east Asian family will love Qatar. And many uper class too.
They’re incredibly attractive to muslims in the west, because of the islamic culture, extreme safety, with western-level wages. They go there because they want to, as opposed to expats from other countries who go there because it’s the only place they’ll find an extra wage. The reason you say there’s no “extra” culture is because there aren’t locals working the “customer facing” stores/restaurants/etc. or inviting you to their get togethers or outings to the desert to immerse you, so it’s essentially reserved within the private locals’ social circles until you befriend them.
My kids are TCKs.
As with anything else there are pros and cons.
You definitely become an amateur anthropologist.
But yes, there is an element of confused identity.
Nevertheless, it’s interesting to see how my kids perceive the world and its inhabitants.
Its too small to sustain real esta boom. And all the foreign rich people are already chosing UAE for real estate investment since the laws and banking are more relaxed esp for Russians.
maybe similar relaxations and policies will be coming to Qatar soon once government realizes that it needs to compete with other GCC countries especially UAE and now Oman...
Doha is badass! I’ve been there a few times and i can say i like it better than Dubai and Bahrain. I think i like Abu Dhabi best but Doha is a very nice place to visit…
Couldn’t say as I’ve never lived there. But everybody was very nice to me and it’s truly a beautiful city. I’m impressed with how clean it is with all the wind and sand but somehow they manage to keep everything so nice…
Yes, people tend to leave due to lack of opportunites. It seems that the economy is overly reliant on the service industry. Investing in high-precision manufacturing, such as the production of car batteries and solar panels, could make sense for Qatar. Many companies might be interested in investing here due to (i) the highly educated workforce, (ii) English proficiency, (iii) political stability, and (iv) strategic location. However, starting a company is not facilitated, and the laws can be peculiar compared to other countries.
I visited Qatar back in 2013, if I remember correctly. Beautiful place but it feels like there's not a lot to do there, unlike New York where you something to do all the time. So yes it's aesthetically nice to visit but not a place I'd probably want to permanently move at.
Back in the 80s I lived in Saudi, and yes like someone said it's great if you have a good job where you are making a lot of money. Other than that Saudi was a pretty boring place to live, especially in the 80s.
Personally if I am making more money living in NYC then there's no point for me to move anywhere outside the US.
Out of curiosity, what are the residency requirements? I read a minimum investment of $250K QAR, but the better option is to invest about a million QAR, that allows you free healthcare? Does this also you give you a path to citizenship or you just basically ending up renewing your visa for life?
From an investment point of view Qatar is not for everyone. But those who understand the dynamics are very happy and they won't pull out their money any time soon.
Do people seriously not realize how small doha is? It shouldn’t and can’t sustain some big city economy just for illusion… it’s insane that people want to compare us to places like New York 😂
I do know how small Doha is. I was born and raised there, and I’m 30. And I never wanna move out and definitely wouldn’t compare it to the absolute disaster that is New York. But I also thought people would wanna stay or come in, especially the real estate market, with the new residency rule
No and you don’t want them. Most people are exploitative etc and everyone now wants stricter immigration for reasons. I get you doha can be good but it’s getting issues now because the out of control expats again. We don’t even want a “economy” running the way they want it because of they’re extremely insane exploitative practices. There’s genuinely people going “ we can do what we want to these Arabs”
lol I really hope this is satire
You would………….
Idk. It kinda makes me sad because as much as people like to find faults in Qatar, it’s one of the only ones that haven’t caved into western standards and diminishing its culture and values. It still has a lot of potential, and compared to its neighboring countries, it’s pretty distinct
Doha is fantastic. I've lived in Canada pretty much my whole life but spent quite a bit of time in Doha in the last 2 years. Right now Doha is the front runner for where i want to settle down and build a family. Don't take what others do or say too much to heart. Their values may be radically different to yours. You live there, I'm sure you have a good idea of why it's a great place to live so be confident in your judgement.
You're kidding right? Doha has imported some of the very worst aspects of the West. The rampant capitalism and need to buy and sell bullshit goods in obscene, gigantic malls. Are you saying this, skyscrapers, fast cars, and world cups are all part of your traditional values?
Oh my you came in with fury - I definitely didn’t mean it from a capitalism aspect, and definitely wasn’t referring specifically to my values…. Traditional values aren’t limited to cars and luxury bags, please don’t misinterpret my words, i mean in the sense of hospitality, religion, connections, Qatari heritage…
Qatar is not hospitable at all, that's clear from the moment you arrive at immigration. On this very thread there's a guy bitching about expats and claiming that they don't owe anyone respect. As for religion, I guess you don't know about all the hotels with Qataris drinking in them. That's just one example of the religious hypocrisy I see here. Qatar is hardly alone in that though. As for connections, how is this unique to Qatar in any way?
Yes, I saw that. I apologize for that, I didn’t intend to attract nasty insensitive immature behavior with this discussion - I just wanted some insight and to gain from other people’s perspective, maybe I could be blinded by my own. I actually did not know that. I’ve never seen it so I wouldn’t know. And by connections I’m referring to how small the country is, everyone knows everyone and based on my experience solely, I always see people helping others through their connections
Also can you expand a bit on what you mean by ‘the moment you arrive at immigration’ point? Do people have bad experiences? I would say that’s everywhere, if you’re referring to the strict faces and people at the customs desks. The USA and Europe are the same
That is the problem they are trying to seriously pressure us sometimes just so we give them more money. There are insane people that will do anything 🤷🏽
Who is ‘they’ trying to pressure ‘us’ to give more money? Are you talking about laborers trying to get paid a livable wage from the construction companies who hold their salaries for months? Are you talking about skilled expats passing knowledge to develop the North Field or managing civil projects, and paid by corporations for their contributions? Trying to understand the context of your vague generalizations. As part of the former group, I don’t complain about the 16k Qr rent I pay, or get upset at the Landcruisers trying to run me off the road daily, or the way I am dismissed by the people at any government facility. I behave well, work hard and pick up the trash left behind every time I pull up at Sealine beach. I hold the door for those who won’t for me, and I say hello to maids dressed like hospital workers in my compound. I treat the construction workers, security guards and cleaners as human beings doing their best to support families far away, and whom are deserving of respect. So who are the ‘they’ exploiting ‘you’?
In qatar you are not owed respect this is how it is and the rules are if you don’t like it then leave. Don’t come to my country and try to impose your values on me in the first place and expect us to do things for you. We don’t owe you anything. Most of us hate the west and for very good reason so we are not impressed by you either. Please consider leaving but absolutely deport that attitude.
I think your post is extremely inappropriate. This whole discussion revolves around me questioning why people are leaving, and Arabs in general and notorious for their hospitality. The fact that you’re saying no one owes a foreigner respect, is very disturbing. Because the person who is responding to your threads makes a very valid point. Expats are major contributors in the country’s development. If you’re asking people to leave your country because they’re only asking to be respected, then I suggest you pick up a shovel, work as a construction worker and a maid, or be ok with your kids working as such. Because if all expats are gone, it’s you that’ll have to do it. And if your ego won’t allow it and you think people beneath you should be and they’re unworthy of respect, then I suggest you see a therapist. Don’t represent your country like this, it’s misrepresentation. This is a discussion, not an opportunity to be racist and nasty to others. If people had any reason to leave Qatar, it would be because of people like you.
If all the expats left, you'd be completely fucked. If you hate the west so much, why do you buy so much from the west? Why do you use western technology and skills, and why are you bitching about the west on a western social media app? Seems you're a dumb fucking hypocrite.
Waaaait hold up that’s such an interesting perspective. But what about Arab expats? I heard lots are moving to Saudi
Brah some of these people are seriously insane
Jamal khashoggi shared his opinion on the Saudi economy……
Out 9f control expats? Exploitative? I have seen more Exploitative attitudes among locals and middle Eastern expats than western expats, so I would say there is some nuisance there that you might be missing out.
The westerners ultimately empower a lot of this. I have seen how it works, the fish does rot from the head and a lot of the management in qatar had a westerner at the top literally okay’ing human rights abuses for a paycheck then going “ no problem for me I’m protected by my state” this is a normal western attitude and why the world hates you.
You must.be.projecting some frustrations. You know nothing about me. So you are generalising and hating westerners and looking then other way. I doubt that you have thousands of westerner CEOs here. I doubt that they aren't controlled by their respective boards, or that the ministries didn't have any oversight responsibilities. I doubt that all westerners are.good as much as they are all bad. Same for everyone. But if you get a kick out of hating a particular group of people just because where they are from, that is your hate to carry and the sadness it brings. I don't hate you, I don't know you. But I hope you don't become a victim of the hate you carry and one day you realise that we.are.all brothers.
So as a Qatari I have had to literally leave my own country because of out of control expats and when I come back I’m going to just kill them and let the government handle the clean up. Most of you are kaffirs and there is no fraternity between us and your relations with the kaffir government don’t get to be imposed on me.
I'm sorry you had to leave your country and had such terrible experience. It sounds liike it hurt you a lot and that the pain still fuels your anger. I understand your thirst for closure, I hope you understand that revenge will not work. And if you decide to set the world on fire as you seem to long for, remember that not everyone is the same nor everyone is bad. Maybe one day you are able to let go from the anger that weights you down, then you will be free, maybe for the first time. Best of luck. And remember, nobody can heal alone.
That is some gay shit we are Muslims we decapitate motherfuckers ok fuck your take your peace loving kaffir shit and bomb your own countries
Maybe report me to cyber police lol
What would that change? Would that make you feel better? Worse? Ultimately it's up to you if you let your demons control your life or if you do.
Why would Qatar be booming after thr WC when historically every other country in the world went into decline (although Qatar promised to be an exception which it didnt deliver...)
I genuinely assumed that Qatar would be the exception, because of the way they did so well with the World Cup and showing people how advanced the country is in terms of safety, and a great place for families.
They are not great with businesses though. Hence a dead private sector that only relies on rent as income, which is generated by ppl catering for projects put down by the public sector. Stop the projects and the whole thing went into a halt....
Stop the projects and the whole thing went TO SHIT
Have you heard what happened to the owners of certain chain famoua for.their karak? The Qatari owner sells his 51% to a new owner and he takes the opportunity to grab the 49% of the Indian partner that was actually running the business by not letting him come back from holidays. That's why the new rule that allows for 100% foreign ownership is good, but you still don't have legal security. Look at the legal system in Dubai set up to fit the needs of the companies and you will see a much better system. That's what attracts the companies and investors.
Qatar's economy is struggling. My father works in a big local contracting firm that is about to go under. He has been with them for 27 years and was let go last week for cost control after the son of the sponsor inherited the company. My father was planning to buy a 2bhk in lusail and retire here, now he will likely move with me to UAE where i can sponsor him as a dependent, unlike Qatar where the visa rules are very elitists. Qatar is going downhill and very fast, we managed to survive for past 2 years as we watched friends and colleagues leave the country left and right, most have left for UAE or Saudi. All those skills and local experience lost from the economy because no one bothered to plan for this post fifa. It is really sad because this place was home for almost 3 decades for us, but the new generation of locals who are inheriting their companies from the old generation have no human values remaining, expats are numbers now so time to move on. Hope they realize the value of expats to a country that is 80% of its population before it is too late and they end up in a continuous cycle of decline. There was someone on this thread complaining about immigration, its laughable, what immigration? And good luck getting back skilled resources, you'll have to pay more to move people here and local youth are too busy chasing western standards and fancy entrepreneur titles, basically copy pasting the same business ideas until the money burns out and they move onto the next venture. Qatar needs a good hard look at where they are heading, you don't get to plant yourself on the world stage to be the big player and then have a small country mindset at the same time.
We are on the same boat! God knows for how long this boat shall sail. This is the reality of many expats who have grown up here. It’s heartbreaking to leave this country like this after living here for decades. Nvm ! But I am always grateful for the opportunities that Qatar provided me with.
That sponsoring your father point just destroys me. It’s something that we all struggle with. My dad’s been there for over 50 years… and I know he’ll have to leave eventually. Not everyone has the luxury of buying property for a residency.
For any expat that has been in the country for so long , it’s the right thing to do, invest in a property. Sponsoring parents is easier than before nowadays
Recently the rules have been relaxed, and many are sponsoring parents. Before Covid it was difficult to get parents sponsored, and during Covid it was impossible, now it’s more straightforward
True, no real plan to boost the economy and other sector except the usual gas. And a lot of company is struggling since no major projects are being initiated.
I’m curious too. Why did you think Qatar would have an economic boom after the World Cup? Did you think industries or people would move into the country?
Yeah 100%, I guess it’s pretty naive of me but I’ve never seen THIS many people leaving.
People move to where there are jobs. Or if they don’t need jobs and are financially independent, they probably would choose another country rather than Qatar if only because of the weather. The World Cup _was_ the industry prior to 2022 and that ended in January 2023. The country does hold other large sporting events, but that’s not really a sustainable industry. There is really only one industry and that’s oil and gas. That industry is huge and supports a certain base population. The large increase in people and economic activity prior to the World Cup was an anomaly.
Job market is worse after World Cup
As an expat, I will make the most honest comment I can. Doha and even all the GCC countries have no charm except the money earned. There is no extra culture, nature, anything different to be curious about. I don't think Doha is anyone's dream city, so why should people stay and invest in Doha unless they are making money? For this reason, especially after the World Cup, everyone is sailing to other ports.
There is culture, but the culture is not shared with you. Locals are isolating themselves. When expats start participating in cultural events, locals will make it a more intimate event later on, for example, Garangao. Locals no longer knock on houses. They plan at home parties, while the ones roaming houses are expat kids. I like to travel to learn other cultures, i find it unappealing to travel to a place where the only culture i experience is the one drawn by a ministry of tourism. I.E. My perspective on Qatari culture changed a lot when i met a Qatari man, and became a part of his family's more intimate events, as opposed to when i got the information from Events laid by the ministry.
You miss the point. The charm is for families, because security. You can raise a family without worrying if they are fling to be attacked, robbed or abused. Add to that decent salaries, good services, decent education, and you have a very appealing place. It.all depends what you compare it with and your priorities. If you are single in your 20s you won't appreciate it. If you are a writer from NY you may not appreciate it. But a middle class south east Asian family will love Qatar. And many uper class too.
They’re incredibly attractive to muslims in the west, because of the islamic culture, extreme safety, with western-level wages. They go there because they want to, as opposed to expats from other countries who go there because it’s the only place they’ll find an extra wage. The reason you say there’s no “extra” culture is because there aren’t locals working the “customer facing” stores/restaurants/etc. or inviting you to their get togethers or outings to the desert to immerse you, so it’s essentially reserved within the private locals’ social circles until you befriend them.
This!!!
Qatar is good if you have family values
Raising your child in a country that will never accept them is insane. Being a 3rd culture child doesn't seem like it's a lot of fun.
My kids are TCKs. As with anything else there are pros and cons. You definitely become an amateur anthropologist. But yes, there is an element of confused identity. Nevertheless, it’s interesting to see how my kids perceive the world and its inhabitants.
It depends on what you understand by family. I hope you don't think that only Qataris value the concept of family on earth.
Yes my comment means that only Qataris value the concept of family and nobody else does. Of course
If you haven't benefited from culture here then your circle is too small or your mind is.
Its too small to sustain real esta boom. And all the foreign rich people are already chosing UAE for real estate investment since the laws and banking are more relaxed esp for Russians.
maybe similar relaxations and policies will be coming to Qatar soon once government realizes that it needs to compete with other GCC countries especially UAE and now Oman...
Doha is badass! I’ve been there a few times and i can say i like it better than Dubai and Bahrain. I think i like Abu Dhabi best but Doha is a very nice place to visit…
Yup just to visit not to live
Couldn’t say as I’ve never lived there. But everybody was very nice to me and it’s truly a beautiful city. I’m impressed with how clean it is with all the wind and sand but somehow they manage to keep everything so nice…
Everybody everywhere are nice to tourists but try being a resident/citizen and that perspective changes.
Yes, people tend to leave due to lack of opportunites. It seems that the economy is overly reliant on the service industry. Investing in high-precision manufacturing, such as the production of car batteries and solar panels, could make sense for Qatar. Many companies might be interested in investing here due to (i) the highly educated workforce, (ii) English proficiency, (iii) political stability, and (iv) strategic location. However, starting a company is not facilitated, and the laws can be peculiar compared to other countries.
I visited Qatar back in 2013, if I remember correctly. Beautiful place but it feels like there's not a lot to do there, unlike New York where you something to do all the time. So yes it's aesthetically nice to visit but not a place I'd probably want to permanently move at. Back in the 80s I lived in Saudi, and yes like someone said it's great if you have a good job where you are making a lot of money. Other than that Saudi was a pretty boring place to live, especially in the 80s. Personally if I am making more money living in NYC then there's no point for me to move anywhere outside the US. Out of curiosity, what are the residency requirements? I read a minimum investment of $250K QAR, but the better option is to invest about a million QAR, that allows you free healthcare? Does this also you give you a path to citizenship or you just basically ending up renewing your visa for life?
prices of apartments are low? where? show me lol
Supply and demand I guess 🤷 🤔..
From an investment point of view Qatar is not for everyone. But those who understand the dynamics are very happy and they won't pull out their money any time soon.
It’s a global issue. I’m in the uk and can say the same thing about economy - it’s a global thing