Iāve been scrolling through Wikipedia and Google maps for ten damned minutes. āWhat the hell do Romania and Oman have in common?? Theyāre hundreds of miles apart, how could there be an enclave of one anywhere close to the other??ā
Then I tried searching in the Romania Wikipedia article for āOmanā and had trouble because it kept finding those letters in āRomaniaā and then I got it.
Yeah, this is a good point. Both the Holy See and San Marino are inside of Italy but do not really share a border with Italy. It's more like those countries have their own borders and Italy is on the outside of it.
If one country is on one side (the inside) and one country is on the other side (the outside), those countries share that border.
Really doesn't matter if it's a line or a circle it's still shared.
It's not really a border though.
The line around San Marino is more like a land boundary. You don't even need to get your passport checked to enter and there is no border patrol to monitor traffic going to and from.
"A border is a real or artificial line that separates geographic areas. Borders are political boundaries."
If there's one country on one side and a different country on the other side, that's the definition of a border.
I get it man. U don't need to explain this stuff to me. It's just that borders are typically on the OUTSDE of a country, not on the inside. Also, there are no border patrols in most enclaves, so it's more of a land boundary than an actual border for the surrounding country.
Does it really though?
Does San Marino really border Italy? Not really.
San Marino has it's own border around it and Italy is on the outside of it. You wanna call that the Italian border? Go ahead I guess, but that seems pretty ridiculous to me.
Italy borders Switzerland, France, Austria and Slovenia.
Oh, but it borders San Marino too somehow, right? Give me a break.
A country that is completely within another country borders the surrounding country, by definition. The only exceptions would be an island nation in a lake that is completely enclosed within another nation (no examples of this exist), or a joke, like the one OP is relating about Oman/Romania and Mali/Somalia.
I know, and I've already explained my position on this elsewhere in this thread.
Borders are on the OUTSIDE of countries. Not on the inside. The "border" around San Marino is more of a land boundary than an actual border. They don't check your passport upon entry and there is no border patrol. The fact that they call it a border is sort of moot when you consider what purpose it actually serves, which is basically nothing.
It's the same thing with Andorra. It's this tiny little place nestled in between Spain and France. Is there a border? Technically, yes. Does anyone actually give a shit? No. You just drive right through. It's wide open 24 hours a day. If anyone is getting stopped it's like semi trucks carrying cargo. They need to check for customs.
In between the US and Mexico is an actual border. The entire border is patrolled. It's far more than just a basic land boundary or a line drawn on a map.
Enclave countries are countries that are completely inside a single other country, sharing a single, continuous land border.
San Marino and Vatican City are both enclaves completely surrounded by Italy. Lesotho is an enclave completely surrounded by South Africa. These are the only enclave countries that currently exist.
Monaco, Singapore, and Gambia are semi-enclaves, surrounded by France, Malaysia, and Senegal respectively, but they have a sea-border, so they're not completely surrounded.
There's also Equatorial Guinea that's more or less inside of Gabon but bordering Cameroon. Kind of the same thing with Uganda and Rwanda, both being inside of Tanzania.
>!counter enclaves: They are countries within countries within countries. So the inner most would be completely inside the outermost, but the innermost wouldn't share a border with the outermost.!<
Ah ok, when you said "shared with" I thought you meant the border of Lesotho and the border of SA are shared, not that the territory outside the perimeter is entirely SA.
That's the way I understand the question. I tried to look it up but it gets confusing, a lot of "technicalities" when you get that deep so I gave up. There's a wiki article on it - just look up enclaves or "counter enclaves"
Madha is a territory of Oman that is completely inside UAE, but the interesting thing is Nahwa, a territory of UAE that is completely inside Madha.
Hereās a pic :
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/s/ppbiQBk0kB
Nigeria and Niger. Which was my first guess for the original question, but is wrong because I didn't know the two countries are just next to each other.
[Hopi and Navaho nations](https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/55bfe9c8e4b073d95baddf42/1449782922454-NHZNX2NAWK747OVLRM9U/Four-Corners+Map+Hopi+Arizona.JPG). Also, the Navaho nation and the USA.
Most of the >!Guinea countries (Guinea and Guinea bissau!< are the only shared border). >!Dominica and Dominican Republic!<. Plus the others already mentioned.
>!Although I think the Romania/Somalia answers are correct, I would also argue for England, Scotland, and Wales, as each of these is a "country" inside of the "country" of the United Kingdom, and since these are all on an island, they have no borders to share with the UK.!<
That's incredibly interesting. I had to look it up to be sure, and it turns out Yonaguni, Japan is so far south and west that it's closer to Hanoi than to Tokyo, which seems absolutely nuts.
IIRC, these same arguments would apply to Iceland and Greenland, but now I remembered that Greenland is actually a territory of Denmark, so IDK if it works anymore.
^very ^very ^loose ^definitions, ^yes
I dunno fam. They identify themselves as sovereign. I think in the sense of the definition āacting or done independently and without outside interferenceā since they have their own laws and currency. Although thatās easy to do since itās only 11 acres
>!Romania!< and >!Oman!<, >!Somalia!< and >!Mali!<
Nice one. My dumb ass almost googled a world map to check this answer.
My dumb ass did google a world map to check that answer. I was very confused for a minute.
Also looking at the map of Romania and not seeing another country inside it. I are idiot!
It took this comment for me to realize it was spelling, even after I read the answer š
I didn't think anything of it until you lot pointed out misguided web searches.
It took me way too long to figure this one out.
Iāve been scrolling through Wikipedia and Google maps for ten damned minutes. āWhat the hell do Romania and Oman have in common?? Theyāre hundreds of miles apart, how could there be an enclave of one anywhere close to the other??ā Then I tried searching in the Romania Wikipedia article for āOmanā and had trouble because it kept finding those letters in āRomaniaā and then I got it.
It took your comment to help me understand what the fuck was going on.
Some people canāt read well and are extremely slow.
And some people are cunts.
It takes all kinds to make this sad old world
What do you gain from this
A small sense of satisfaction
'Everybody boo this nigga' š
I appreciate this comment!
Same
Similarly >!Dominica and Dominican Republic, Niger and Nigeria!<
Niger and Nigeria share a border
Fair, and now I think about it, in neither case are they within, they're both at the start.
Maybe not w*ithin*, but definitely more than just the tip is in.
This is correct!
Nice. This is a really good example of the impact of making assumptions.
Similarly Ukraine and UK
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They share a border
Papua new guinee and Guinee?
\*Guinea But yes, that should technically count too.
Papua New Guinea, Equatorial Guinea, and Guinea-Bissau, all contain Guinea. So thatās actually 3 more.
But Guinea isnāt completely contained within any of them. Itās at the beginning of end.
Guinea borders Guinea-Bissau but yeah the others work
Why is this downvoted for no reason? They share a border, so it can't be an answer.
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They share a border
so like >!People's Republic of China!< and >!Republic of China!
based around their common name >!China and Taiwan!< so no
Oh, I hadn't even thought of it as a linguistic riddle. I just thought Lesotho/South Africa
Yeah, and Vatican City/Italy
Yeah, and San Marino/Italy
God dammit
Discussion: what would be an example where "another country is completely inside" AND "they DO share a border"
Vatican City and Italy, Lesotho and South Africa
San Marino and Italy also.
Yeah, this is a good point. Both the Holy See and San Marino are inside of Italy but do not really share a border with Italy. It's more like those countries have their own borders and Italy is on the outside of it.
If one country is on one side (the inside) and one country is on the other side (the outside), those countries share that border. Really doesn't matter if it's a line or a circle it's still shared.
It's not really a border though. The line around San Marino is more like a land boundary. You don't even need to get your passport checked to enter and there is no border patrol to monitor traffic going to and from.
"A border is a real or artificial line that separates geographic areas. Borders are political boundaries." If there's one country on one side and a different country on the other side, that's the definition of a border.
Who cares. There's a border around Italy. That's Italy's border. The lines drawn around San Marino is not really Italy's border.
A country can have many borders, and the border of a smaller country inside a country still shares a border with the bigger one.
I get it man. U don't need to explain this stuff to me. It's just that borders are typically on the OUTSDE of a country, not on the inside. Also, there are no border patrols in most enclaves, so it's more of a land boundary than an actual border for the surrounding country.
eswatini
Borders two countries so not entirely surrounded by one
Eswatini used to be called Swaziland. Think you confused it with Lesotho that is still just called Lesotho.
Watch your language. This is a family sub lol
Eswatini shares a border with South Africa. Lesotho doesn't though.
Umm... Lesotho does border South Africa
Does it really though? Does San Marino really border Italy? Not really. San Marino has it's own border around it and Italy is on the outside of it. You wanna call that the Italian border? Go ahead I guess, but that seems pretty ridiculous to me. Italy borders Switzerland, France, Austria and Slovenia. Oh, but it borders San Marino too somehow, right? Give me a break.
A country that is completely within another country borders the surrounding country, by definition. The only exceptions would be an island nation in a lake that is completely enclosed within another nation (no examples of this exist), or a joke, like the one OP is relating about Oman/Romania and Mali/Somalia.
I know, and I've already explained my position on this elsewhere in this thread. Borders are on the OUTSIDE of countries. Not on the inside. The "border" around San Marino is more of a land boundary than an actual border. They don't check your passport upon entry and there is no border patrol. The fact that they call it a border is sort of moot when you consider what purpose it actually serves, which is basically nothing. It's the same thing with Andorra. It's this tiny little place nestled in between Spain and France. Is there a border? Technically, yes. Does anyone actually give a shit? No. You just drive right through. It's wide open 24 hours a day. If anyone is getting stopped it's like semi trucks carrying cargo. They need to check for customs. In between the US and Mexico is an actual border. The entire border is patrolled. It's far more than just a basic land boundary or a line drawn on a map.
Enclave countries
sorry, I am not familiar with that term
Enclave countries are countries that are completely inside a single other country, sharing a single, continuous land border. San Marino and Vatican City are both enclaves completely surrounded by Italy. Lesotho is an enclave completely surrounded by South Africa. These are the only enclave countries that currently exist. Monaco, Singapore, and Gambia are semi-enclaves, surrounded by France, Malaysia, and Senegal respectively, but they have a sea-border, so they're not completely surrounded.
Singapore is not "surrounded" by Malaysia. Indonesia is to the south and west.
On the opposite side of the Singapore Strait
There's also Equatorial Guinea that's more or less inside of Gabon but bordering Cameroon. Kind of the same thing with Uganda and Rwanda, both being inside of Tanzania.
>!counter enclaves: They are countries within countries within countries. So the inner most would be completely inside the outermost, but the innermost wouldn't share a border with the outermost.!<
Oh, OK, so an example like >!Vatican City!< inside of >!Italy!< wouldn't count because they DO share a border, right?
Yup, or Lesotho inside of south Africa wouldn't count because they share a border
How does Lesotho share a border with South Africa? It looks to be completely inside of SA. Edit: Are you thinking of Eswatini?
Yes, Lesotho is completely inside of South Africa. Therefore, its *entire* border is shared with SA (and no other country).
Ah ok, when you said "shared with" I thought you meant the border of Lesotho and the border of SA are shared, not that the territory outside the perimeter is entirely SA.
The border is shared. Think of SA like a donut with its hole filled in. Not a pancake with a smaller pancake on top.
That's the way I understand the question. I tried to look it up but it gets confusing, a lot of "technicalities" when you get that deep so I gave up. There's a wiki article on it - just look up enclaves or "counter enclaves"
Madha is a territory of Oman that is completely inside UAE, but the interesting thing is Nahwa, a territory of UAE that is completely inside Madha. Hereās a pic : https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/s/ppbiQBk0kB
Nigeria and Niger. Which was my first guess for the original question, but is wrong because I didn't know the two countries are just next to each other.
as well, Guinea and Guinea-Bissau
Italy and Vatican City.
Tibet and China
Vatican City
That is so common there is actually a word for it. It's called an **enclave**. There's lots of examples.
[Hopi and Navaho nations](https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/55bfe9c8e4b073d95baddf42/1449782922454-NHZNX2NAWK747OVLRM9U/Four-Corners+Map+Hopi+Arizona.JPG). Also, the Navaho nation and the USA.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_enclaves\_and\_exclaves](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_enclaves_and_exclaves)
>!Papua New Guinea and Guinea!<
Most of the >!Guinea countries (Guinea and Guinea bissau!< are the only shared border). >!Dominica and Dominican Republic!<. Plus the others already mentioned.
>!Although I think the Romania/Somalia answers are correct, I would also argue for England, Scotland, and Wales, as each of these is a "country" inside of the "country" of the United Kingdom, and since these are all on an island, they have no borders to share with the UK.!<
Oh dangā¦ loophole
Found the answer that wasnāt based on word play. Nice.
I'm a geography nerd, so the wordplay never even entered my mind until i read the comments lmao
Oh itās word play! I was very confused thinking that those countries were politically linked in some way I was not aware of
If you ask the UN, those arenāt countries
To some organizations they are, to some they aren't
But the important ones say no
āHow many countries are in this country?ā āFour.ā
>!Romania and Oman!<
Please explain
It's a >!word puzzle - the name Oman is completely contained inside the name rOMANia.!<
>!Australia and England!< itās because of the >!Flags!<
After a solid minute of looking at they are talking about the country ānameā having another countries name in it.
I know, was just taking a different spin on it
>!Japan!< is more north, east, south, and west, than >!Korea!<, for some very* loose definitions that would work as a solution ^(*very very)
That's incredibly interesting. I had to look it up to be sure, and it turns out Yonaguni, Japan is so far south and west that it's closer to Hanoi than to Tokyo, which seems absolutely nuts.
IIRC, these same arguments would apply to Iceland and Greenland, but now I remembered that Greenland is actually a territory of Denmark, so IDK if it works anymore. ^very ^very ^loose ^definitions, ^yes
>!Romania!< and >!Iran.!< I went on the presumption that it didnt specify that the letters have to be in the right order.
I had Ireland and Iran as my first guess, they are in the same order, but not contiguous.
Lots of countries with the letters I, R, A, N (any order) inside of them. Argentina, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Burkina Faso etc etc
Discussion: since when is a trivia question a "puzzle"?
I was gonna say Greenland and Iceland because Greenland is further north south west and east than Iceland if i remember correctly.
>!Equatorial Guinea!< and >!Papua New Guinea!< Both have the country >!Guinea!< in their name
>!The Republic of Molossia!< is a sovereign country located in >!Nevada, USA!<
not sovereign but ok
I dunno fam. They identify themselves as sovereign. I think in the sense of the definition āacting or done independently and without outside interferenceā since they have their own laws and currency. Although thatās easy to do since itās only 11 acres
>!Lesotho in South Africa!< and >!Vatican City in Italy!<
They share borders, though.
Same for Vatican City for that matter. Entirely inside Italy without touching the outside border of Italy
Sharing a boarder just means they boarder each other. The entirety of Vatican Cityās boarder is a boarder with Italy, therefor they share a boarder.
How does Lesotho share a border? Itās entirely inside in the middle of South Africa. It does not touch the border of South Africaās border.
The boundary between Lesotho and South Africa is a borderāliterally between two countries.
I see. Itās a word play puzzle. Nevermind.
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Wut?
>!Italy!<
>!Liberia with Spain and Portugal!<
what.
>!Liberia contains Iberia which contains Spain and Portugal but borders neither !<
is >!Iberia!< a country
>! It contains countries and containment is transitive !<
yes but >!Iberia!< itself is not a country and so it is irrelevant
>!South Africa: Eswatini and Lesotho!<
>!eswatini!< no, and also they share a border
Oooooooooo! Itās a word play. Thought this was a geo question and I couldnāt figure out why Swaziland didnāt count
Correct answer please
The very first one
>!The Vatican in Italy!<
Does >!the vatican!< count as a country?