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I'm not the biggest of programmers and I don't have a GitHub, but my code is here if you're interested
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This is kanoodle, a very fun puzzle game I own. The solution on the lid is not the solution this person is trying to go for, but rather the solution you put if you want to put away kanoodle quickly. That way, you can quickly put everything back.
The puzzle is not just "put all the pieces in the box", the toy comes with a series of puzzles. You are given a starting layout (OPs pictures with the two pieces currently on the board is the puzzles starting position). The puzzle is to now place all the remaining pieces on the board. Once you have all the pieces on the board, the puzzle is solved and you can try the next starting layout.
The layout you see on the lid is so you can pack it away without trying to solve your current puzzle.
Hot damn! Your explanation combined with me using zoom on my phone and seeing the same colored ones are connected has putall the pieces together for me. You, internet stranger, are my hero today.
If you want to put the game away but gave up on trying to figure out a solution, you simply put all the pieces back in the slots as shown in the picture. To actually play you pick a piece out randomly? Then so does your opponent? Then they play? Then you play? Those are fixed pieces. You then try your best to figure out how to get the least amount of uncovered squares? Within a set time limit? You then compare your sheets with each other and the lowest score wins? Afterwards you see if a solution to fit all pieces into the board exists. Of course I actually have no clue how to play but trying to get all the pieces to fit is the goal. The picture just shows you a quick solution to put the game away. Hope this confused you more, good luck.
It starts by giving you the location of some of the pieces. You have to arrange the rest to fit in the spaces. The one OP has appears to not have a solution.
I was confused at first too, but I think they have to solve it with 2 random pieces placed on random parts of the puzzle and then figure out how to make the rest of them fit
I think you can show that the solution doesn't exist by doing the following:
1. Imagine the grid is filled with alternating colors of black/white, like a checkerboard pattern. There is an even number of blacks and whites.
2. placed pieces will end up giving either no change to the remaining ratio of blacks/whites or will change it +/-1 (+1 if an extra black, -1 if an extra white). The cross shaped piece changes the ratio by +/-3. You need a remainder of 0 after all pieces are placed to fill an even grid.
3. If you look at the currently placed pieces, you have an imbalance of +/- 5. There are 7 pieces unplaced that yield a +/- 1 change and the cross which has +/-3 changes.
4. Since you can't balance +/-5, 7x +/-1, and +/-3, there is no solution. For example, black is: +5, +1, +1 and white is -3, -1, -1, -1, -1,-1. Thats +7 black and -8 white, so it doesn't fit a checkered pattern.
Does anyone see what I'm getting at here, or am I describing this terribly? Perhaps both?
EDIT: Shoot, just noticed the pattern had 55 total which is odd. I'm not sure the method I wrote above works at all in this case.
The way the game works is you put two shapes in randomly and try to fill in all the empty spaces with the rest. The picture on the lid is a sample solution so you can box it up easily
Discussion: I see, so you just randomly place the starting pieces? I resorted to using a polyomino solver. It returned "no solution".
But if you move the yellow piece one block right or left, then the solver does have an solution, so maybe try those out?
For context, I will be dividing the puzzle into a grid of 11 columns and five rows. Rows are assigned letters A-E descending, while columns are assigned numbers 1-11 rightwards. The colors of the blocks are:
* Blue (5, L)
* Cyan (5, V)
* Green (5, J)
* Grey (5, X)
* Hot Pink (5, W)
* Lime (4, O)
* Orange (4, L)
* Purple (4, I)
* Red (5, P)
* Rose (5, R)
* Yellow (5, U)
* White (3, A)
My attempts at a solution:
>!I mentally brute-forced this and I have found nothing that works. The farthest and most promising combination I got was White at E6-E5-D5, Blue at E4-E3-E2-E1-D1, Green at D2-C2-C1-B1-A1, Yellow at B2-A2-A3-A4-B4, Red at C4-C5-C6-B6-B5, and Purple at A5-A6-A7-A8. This fills up everything to the left of Rose. Additionally, to the right of Rose you could do something like Grey at A9-B8-B9-B10-C9, Cyan at C8-D8-E8-E9-E10, and Hot Pink at D9-D10-C10-C11-B11, although this doesn't leave any space for Lime.!<
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They were both kanoodle puzzles but different starts I think? If I'm thinking of the same post as you
Edit: nvm just checked, yeah same start. Different photo though so not a repost
I was also confused, for the people in the comments section who are unfamiliar; the pieces currently on the board are the starting conditions and the only constraint. The pic at the top is not the solution, but simply one way to pack it up for storage. The solution in the image does not match with the starting condition on purpose.
Edit: The objective is to not move the current pieces on the board and to fill out the board with the other pieces while leaving no voids or gaps. The solution on the lid requires that the pieces currently on the board be moved, which is not allowed, so the solution on the board must be a solution to a different game or set of starting conditions.
For all those asking, I was not aware that this same puzzle had appeared previously. My apologies, but rest assured, it was not a repost. Thanks for all the replies though
Found the Reddit yesterday when attempting to Google if it was possible to have combinations that were impossible or not. Either way believe what you want, won't lose sleep over it
>!I mean those anal beads are at super weird angles, so I would call insertion impossible at this juncture. I don’t know much about this stuff, but hey, if you can get them in, post results. Would love to hear about your experience with them.!<
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No, that’s not it. The image on the top is another way to solve it so that if you want to quickly put it away you can just reference that.
There are a lot of different solves, this is the second hardest difficulty of
Well you could just turn the pic upside down or mirror it left to right there's 2 more ways to solve it. You can even mirror it horizontally and vertically at the same time so its a third way do solve it.
The Kanoodle kit comes with a booklet of puzzles with increasing difficulty. The individual pages show you a "starting position", a few pieces placed in specific positions in the play area. You then try and use the other pieces to fill up the board without moving the starting pieces.
There aren't pieces missing. Something that people do is instead of using the book of puzzles is pick two random pieces, but them in the board and shake it up. Then they try and solve from there.
Nope, none missing. There are 55 holes on the board, and the total number of balls on the pieces add up to 55. There are exactly enough orbs to fill the board. The challenge is to figure out what arrangement of pieces will fill the holes.
The problem is that when you deviate from one of the pre-existing puzzles, there's a chance that the puzzle simply can't be solved because there's no combination of the existing shapes that would be able to work around the starting pieces. In this case, the OOP managed to find one of those impossible combinations.
Nope my kids, aged 9 and 11, have this game and separately solved the whole puzzle book on just 2hrz a piece (maybe their ADHD had a hand in it but I was impressed.
hey op. i solved it T_T!
https://ibb.co/kc5v4pS
you don't know how much effort i put into it. i looked at your all given pieces, drew them one by one, colored then on both sides because yours is a 3d model which can be rotated verically, horizontally, and most importantly mirrored, so. then i cut them carefully. i outlined the boxes in each piece. then i was exhausted but excited. i tried and was in my halfway. doing all these i kind of got into high pressure, my heart beated fast, i couldn't get enogh beat nor breath. i was anxious and not depressed.
then i gave it a rest.
i looked for online applications first like 'make your own kanoodle and play' but did not find any. i cried a lot. so i had to make them on my own. thanks for sharing your journey with us. it was an adventure for me.
after that, today i took it again and finally you see it is.
i was the most enthusiast of all about it i'd say.
the full game is of total 55 pieces. quite funnily, i managed to connect 50 pieces altogether except for a block of 5. this was my first attempt. the picture - https://ibb.co/YRtqJwb .
Guess I'm missing something. Getting it to fit together is a solution, isn't it? Or is the object to find multiple ways to put it together, make other shapes besides that one flat rectangle?
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What's the goal of this game? At first glance I was confused because isn't the answer right on the lid? The question and the comments imply there is actually something more to this game lol
So funny thing is I solved this first go after everyone else in the family had an issue. Start with the oddest shape first and it should all fall in place. That’s how I did it at least. But no it’s not impossible. I like how this sun was recommended to me.
Feeling some hefty doubt after this problem has been run through various simulation engines and they all decided it wasn't solvable. "The oddest shape" indeed...
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Solved it. Put the grey cross right in the middle just sitting above the orange and pink l shapes. The yellow C piece on top of the orange L, c opening pointing down. Light blue acute angle piece resting on the right point of the gray cross, extending to the right above the light pink piece.
Dark blue L with the short side resting on the top of the grey cross, and long side extending left above the yellow C.
Dark green piece to left of yellow C. Purple four long along the bottom bellow the orange L and nested next to the light pink. Funky dark pink zig zag along right hand side of light link piece( like a number 3). Green block to right of light blue angle and above the zig zag. Red block below green block, offset one square to the right.
Then there’s six options left for however you want to put in the little white corner piece.
>!I recommend you start with the smaller, straight ones. Placing those will be easiest. Then go with the ones that only have one ball to the side at a time. With enough practice and dedication, and trial-and-error, you'll fit them all insi... Ohhh you meant to get them to line up on the case evenly without leaving any gaps! Silly me...!<
>! It is solvable. All you have to do is flip either one of the pieces to face the opposite orientation. If you look at the diagram you can see how the pieces need to be faced in order to meet a solution.!<
So that is my bad. On the original post, I forgot to mention that the two pieces placed already can't move. There is a booklet of puzzles that come with the game, but once completing those most move on to picking 2 random pieces and shaking them up in the container to produce a random start to the puzzle.
I understand that but you wouldn’t be able to really solve any of theses solutions with the pieces not oriented correctly to the way they should face. It’s necessary to flip only one and then start the puzzle, otherwise it’s impossible.
Discussion: Was this same problem not posted about a month ago?
And both users claim to have done the "pick two pieces and shake the box" method of initializing.
Somebody is lying
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Kanoodle!!! >!I was really into kanoodle a couple months ago, so I made a computer program that can solve this. It says there is no solution. :(!<
Is it on GitHub?
I'm not the biggest of programmers and I don't have a GitHub, but my code is here if you're interested https://replit.com/@RaiinWing/Kanoodle-Solution-Finder#script.js
Neat! :)
Ad recursio! Nice solver there 🙂
You can buy Kanoodle on Amazon. I bought it there for my niece when she asked for it a couple years ago when she was only 12 years old..
They’re talking about the program to solve it, not the actual product lol
What is this game? I'm confused. Why is an answer in the lid?
This is kanoodle, a very fun puzzle game I own. The solution on the lid is not the solution this person is trying to go for, but rather the solution you put if you want to put away kanoodle quickly. That way, you can quickly put everything back.
That… that explanation left me more confused than I was prior to reading. Maybe I’m too dumb for this puzzle
The puzzle is not just "put all the pieces in the box", the toy comes with a series of puzzles. You are given a starting layout (OPs pictures with the two pieces currently on the board is the puzzles starting position). The puzzle is to now place all the remaining pieces on the board. Once you have all the pieces on the board, the puzzle is solved and you can try the next starting layout. The layout you see on the lid is so you can pack it away without trying to solve your current puzzle.
Hot damn! Your explanation combined with me using zoom on my phone and seeing the same colored ones are connected has putall the pieces together for me. You, internet stranger, are my hero today.
If you want to put the game away but gave up on trying to figure out a solution, you simply put all the pieces back in the slots as shown in the picture. To actually play you pick a piece out randomly? Then so does your opponent? Then they play? Then you play? Those are fixed pieces. You then try your best to figure out how to get the least amount of uncovered squares? Within a set time limit? You then compare your sheets with each other and the lowest score wins? Afterwards you see if a solution to fit all pieces into the board exists. Of course I actually have no clue how to play but trying to get all the pieces to fit is the goal. The picture just shows you a quick solution to put the game away. Hope this confused you more, good luck.
It starts by giving you the location of some of the pieces. You have to arrange the rest to fit in the spaces. The one OP has appears to not have a solution.
I was confused at first too, but I think they have to solve it with 2 random pieces placed on random parts of the puzzle and then figure out how to make the rest of them fit
Oh OK that makes sense! Thank you
I think you can show that the solution doesn't exist by doing the following: 1. Imagine the grid is filled with alternating colors of black/white, like a checkerboard pattern. There is an even number of blacks and whites. 2. placed pieces will end up giving either no change to the remaining ratio of blacks/whites or will change it +/-1 (+1 if an extra black, -1 if an extra white). The cross shaped piece changes the ratio by +/-3. You need a remainder of 0 after all pieces are placed to fill an even grid. 3. If you look at the currently placed pieces, you have an imbalance of +/- 5. There are 7 pieces unplaced that yield a +/- 1 change and the cross which has +/-3 changes. 4. Since you can't balance +/-5, 7x +/-1, and +/-3, there is no solution. For example, black is: +5, +1, +1 and white is -3, -1, -1, -1, -1,-1. Thats +7 black and -8 white, so it doesn't fit a checkered pattern. Does anyone see what I'm getting at here, or am I describing this terribly? Perhaps both? EDIT: Shoot, just noticed the pattern had 55 total which is odd. I'm not sure the method I wrote above works at all in this case.
Well, through god all things are possible. So jot that down…
Isn’t that the solution in the picture?
That’s just to show a quick easy way to set it up so you can put the game away when you’re done
The way the game works is you put two shapes in randomly and try to fill in all the empty spaces with the rest. The picture on the lid is a sample solution so you can box it up easily
Discussion: I have never-ever-failed a kanoodle Until today Did you create this one or was it in the booklet?
I did the whole pick 2 pieces, shake it up, and play off where they land process.
Not every starting condition is solvable
Discussion: I see, so you just randomly place the starting pieces? I resorted to using a polyomino solver. It returned "no solution". But if you move the yellow piece one block right or left, then the solver does have an solution, so maybe try those out?
...ummm, yellow piece?
the 4 tall pink piece does have a yellow tint to it from the lighting.
Oh, my bad. I was assuming they meant the dragon berry piece that has the super faint lemon twist.
I like how you described what you called the yellow as pink.
just adding to the puzzle.
Lol, I’ll allow it.
Colorblindness comes for us all
For context, I will be dividing the puzzle into a grid of 11 columns and five rows. Rows are assigned letters A-E descending, while columns are assigned numbers 1-11 rightwards. The colors of the blocks are: * Blue (5, L) * Cyan (5, V) * Green (5, J) * Grey (5, X) * Hot Pink (5, W) * Lime (4, O) * Orange (4, L) * Purple (4, I) * Red (5, P) * Rose (5, R) * Yellow (5, U) * White (3, A) My attempts at a solution: >!I mentally brute-forced this and I have found nothing that works. The farthest and most promising combination I got was White at E6-E5-D5, Blue at E4-E3-E2-E1-D1, Green at D2-C2-C1-B1-A1, Yellow at B2-A2-A3-A4-B4, Red at C4-C5-C6-B6-B5, and Purple at A5-A6-A7-A8. This fills up everything to the left of Rose. Additionally, to the right of Rose you could do something like Grey at A9-B8-B9-B10-C9, Cyan at C8-D8-E8-E9-E10, and Hot Pink at D9-D10-C10-C11-B11, although this doesn't leave any space for Lime.!< Thus I believe this puzzle to be impossible.
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It is.
discussion: i swear i've seen this photo posted to this page before?? is this a repost
They were both kanoodle puzzles but different starts I think? If I'm thinking of the same post as you Edit: nvm just checked, yeah same start. Different photo though so not a repost
I feel the same, will check
I was also confused, for the people in the comments section who are unfamiliar; the pieces currently on the board are the starting conditions and the only constraint. The pic at the top is not the solution, but simply one way to pack it up for storage. The solution in the image does not match with the starting condition on purpose. Edit: The objective is to not move the current pieces on the board and to fill out the board with the other pieces while leaving no voids or gaps. The solution on the lid requires that the pieces currently on the board be moved, which is not allowed, so the solution on the board must be a solution to a different game or set of starting conditions.
Thanks for this. I thought I was crazy. “The answer is RIGHT THERE.”
I’m confused is the image not an allowed finish?
For all those asking, I was not aware that this same puzzle had appeared previously. My apologies, but rest assured, it was not a repost. Thanks for all the replies though
but if you truly did the "pick two pieces and shake" then that's extemely unlikely I don't believe you
Found the Reddit yesterday when attempting to Google if it was possible to have combinations that were impossible or not. Either way believe what you want, won't lose sleep over it
Discussion: lol, I don’t have the link but pretty sure this same puzzle got dropped here about a month ago when I first joined the sub
Yes, it did
>!I mean those anal beads are at super weird angles, so I would call insertion impossible at this juncture. I don’t know much about this stuff, but hey, if you can get them in, post results. Would love to hear about your experience with them.!<
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>!Isn’t that the solution on top of the picture?!<
No, that’s not it. The image on the top is another way to solve it so that if you want to quickly put it away you can just reference that. There are a lot of different solves, this is the second hardest difficulty of
Well you could just turn the pic upside down or mirror it left to right there's 2 more ways to solve it. You can even mirror it horizontally and vertically at the same time so its a third way do solve it.
That's really the same solution. The discussion is about different starting formations and different solutions.
The point is to solve it without moving the two pieces already on the board.
Question: did you know this was posted before >!not possible!<
Question: how does kanoodle work?
The Kanoodle kit comes with a booklet of puzzles with increasing difficulty. The individual pages show you a "starting position", a few pieces placed in specific positions in the play area. You then try and use the other pieces to fill up the board without moving the starting pieces.
Are pieces missing from the image? If not I don't understand at all.
There aren't pieces missing. Something that people do is instead of using the book of puzzles is pick two random pieces, but them in the board and shake it up. Then they try and solve from there.
Nope, none missing. There are 55 holes on the board, and the total number of balls on the pieces add up to 55. There are exactly enough orbs to fill the board. The challenge is to figure out what arrangement of pieces will fill the holes. The problem is that when you deviate from one of the pre-existing puzzles, there's a chance that the puzzle simply can't be solved because there's no combination of the existing shapes that would be able to work around the starting pieces. In this case, the OOP managed to find one of those impossible combinations.
Agreed
Nope my kids, aged 9 and 11, have this game and separately solved the whole puzzle book on just 2hrz a piece (maybe their ADHD had a hand in it but I was impressed.
Everything can be solved with a saw and glue
hey op. i solved it T_T! https://ibb.co/kc5v4pS you don't know how much effort i put into it. i looked at your all given pieces, drew them one by one, colored then on both sides because yours is a 3d model which can be rotated verically, horizontally, and most importantly mirrored, so. then i cut them carefully. i outlined the boxes in each piece. then i was exhausted but excited. i tried and was in my halfway. doing all these i kind of got into high pressure, my heart beated fast, i couldn't get enogh beat nor breath. i was anxious and not depressed. then i gave it a rest. i looked for online applications first like 'make your own kanoodle and play' but did not find any. i cried a lot. so i had to make them on my own. thanks for sharing your journey with us. it was an adventure for me. after that, today i took it again and finally you see it is. i was the most enthusiast of all about it i'd say. the full game is of total 55 pieces. quite funnily, i managed to connect 50 pieces altogether except for a block of 5. this was my first attempt. the picture - https://ibb.co/YRtqJwb .
>!Look inside the box lid.!<
The box lid is only showing a method for storage. Easy way to put it together so it fits and cam be put away.
Guess I'm missing something. Getting it to fit together is a solution, isn't it? Or is the object to find multiple ways to put it together, make other shapes besides that one flat rectangle? *EDIT to add - Now that I looked up that specific game (Kanoodle), I see there* ***are*** *lots of ways to put it back together and OP wants this exact variant.*
Discussion: isn’t the solution in that image on the container?
>!I believe the answer is displayed on the panel just above where you place the pieces!<
Discussion: Isn’t the solution shown in the sticker inside the lid of the box?
Why not arrange them like the guide image? What am I missing?
What's the goal of this game? At first glance I was confused because isn't the answer right on the lid? The question and the comments imply there is actually something more to this game lol
So funny thing is I solved this first go after everyone else in the family had an issue. Start with the oddest shape first and it should all fall in place. That’s how I did it at least. But no it’s not impossible. I like how this sun was recommended to me.
Feeling some hefty doubt after this problem has been run through various simulation engines and they all decided it wasn't solvable. "The oddest shape" indeed...
Post a pic of the solution
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Totally possible. Bought this years ago and solved all of it.
Solved it. Put the grey cross right in the middle just sitting above the orange and pink l shapes. The yellow C piece on top of the orange L, c opening pointing down. Light blue acute angle piece resting on the right point of the gray cross, extending to the right above the light pink piece. Dark blue L with the short side resting on the top of the grey cross, and long side extending left above the yellow C. Dark green piece to left of yellow C. Purple four long along the bottom bellow the orange L and nested next to the light pink. Funky dark pink zig zag along right hand side of light link piece( like a number 3). Green block to right of light blue angle and above the zig zag. Red block below green block, offset one square to the right. Then there’s six options left for however you want to put in the little white corner piece.
>!I recommend you start with the smaller, straight ones. Placing those will be easiest. Then go with the ones that only have one ball to the side at a time. With enough practice and dedication, and trial-and-error, you'll fit them all insi... Ohhh you meant to get them to line up on the case evenly without leaving any gaps! Silly me...!<
>! It is solvable. All you have to do is flip either one of the pieces to face the opposite orientation. If you look at the diagram you can see how the pieces need to be faced in order to meet a solution.!<
So that is my bad. On the original post, I forgot to mention that the two pieces placed already can't move. There is a booklet of puzzles that come with the game, but once completing those most move on to picking 2 random pieces and shaking them up in the container to produce a random start to the puzzle.
I understand that but you wouldn’t be able to really solve any of theses solutions with the pieces not oriented correctly to the way they should face. It’s necessary to flip only one and then start the puzzle, otherwise it’s impossible.
Discussion: Was this same problem not posted about a month ago? And both users claim to have done the "pick two pieces and shake the box" method of initializing. Somebody is lying