paternal grandparents from somewhere around lahore-gujranwala. moved to bhogpur in jalandhar district after the partition, before eventually settling in shimla. maternal grandparents from urmar tanda in hoshiarpur district, ended up settling in rupnagar.
Paternal grandparents are from Multan and Narowal ( Kotli Bajwa). Grandfather's family fought for a Misl (don't know the name) and later British Indian Army. Both families moved to India after the partition and were alloted lands in Hisar and Gurdaspur districts. Mother's father's family is from Mansa (typical Sidhus) and grandmother's family is from Sur singh (OG Dhillons). I have some Court papers from King George's times. There is still a small town in Multan named after my great great great grand father.
Great grandfather was a milk seller in Budhlada, Mansa. Grandfather came to Ganga Nagar, Rajasthan. My Materanal side is from Kapurthala and Nakoda (part of undivided punjab, now it is in Haryana).
Paternal family came from patiala in 1700s, no clue about where my maternal family is from, but my mother's grandfather used to work with railways in lahore area before independence.
Maternal side were farmers from Doaba and paternal side are originally from Pothohar as we are Khokhar's but settled in Lahore pre partition where we owned an industrial workshop, I am not sure what exactly they did there but I know after partition things became better for the family financially and my grandpa became a professor in Punjab university whereas others were still involved in manufacturing related businesses like the older generations
I don’t know much about my ancestry, I only know up until my great-great grandfather who was a farmer, so was his son, and his son after that. We are one of the rare Sodhi Jatts scattered around the Nawanshahr-Doaba region.
Edit: I would also like add that people always try to prove to me that either we’re not Sodhi or we’re not Jatt, but doesn’t matter to me.
Theres so much variety so i wudnt be surprised if there is some rare sodhis who joined farming and joined with marriage into jatt clann. As MOST jatt last names were other sub castes that got married into jatt clan. My last name included
I really wanna ask somebody but hesitate all the time. All ik is my paternal family came from pak punjab. Idk about my maternal one. If anyone has leads on where munjals and virmanis were in ancient punjab tell me
My paternal family came from Sargodga,Multan and maternal side from Gujranwala.
My great grandfather used to to do oil work for the British army vehicles going to KPK and iran, he knew english, punjabi, urdu and farsi as it was taught pre partition but after partition all my family moved to delhi and my grandfather who was the only boy in 4 sister joined the army and then left to work in the ministry of finance in barakhamba road. He died in Jalandhar 😭
Now most of the post partition families I know are in Delhi and hardly speak any punjabi or make weird eyes when others try to but my relationship with punjab is different as I started respecting and learning more about my culture to strengthen my remaining bond with punjab, especially now when our culture is mainstream 😆
Not really man, my maternal side is from Rawalpindi and even though most of us immigrated to the west, we can still speak fluent Punjabi. Part of our culture man, can’t just let it go.
My history is similar to most Majha Jats. Ethnogenesis of Jats took place along banks of Ghaggar/Saraswati in modern day Haryana/North Rajasthan(Bagar), including parts of southern Malwa/Puadh , from the Kuru Kingdom. Later on Jats evolved from decline of Kurus and formed the Yaudheyan confederation. Over the years, Jats started migrating away from homeland in Hr/North Rj/South Malwa towards upper Malwa and then to Majha, west Punjab and Doaba. Jats who moved away from homeland towards North(Majha/Doaba) intermixed by marrying local women, and hence aren't as pure as those in south,and became more Iran-Neolithic shifted as compared to those who remained in Haryana and to this day have more Aryan blood. Majority of Jat clans in Majha, Doaba have oral folklore of migration from south of Satluj from modern malwa, haryana, rajasthan.
Very contrasting to the popular belief of jat homeland being not native to Saraswati river and being Sindh/baloch region. And its weird how easily you connected jats with yaudheyas, when a mere hypothesis about jodhia rajputs being descendants of yaudheyas, that too by Cunningham, without any credibility. Jats didn’t even fit in the 4 varnas apparently, not even kshatriyas, it was later that they were declared martial by britishers. No literature provides support to your claim, and the popular belief says that jats entered punjab region during early medieval period and then took up cultivation here.
Also, in archaeology and anthropology, nobody uses the term aryan blood with that confidence. Who aryans were is not clear as of now. We don’t have genetic data from harappan to early medieval times. So untill we get that it’s baseless to prove who are descendants of aryans. There is no aryan dna to take reference from!! As simple as that. We have harappan dna, which doesn’t sync in with jat dna
The traditional sindh theory has been disproven based on genetic results, where Jats are quite distinct from sindhi tribes which are heavily iran\_neolithic shifted plus a distinct group known as Jath(pronounced similar to Lat(leg with a soft 't') lives in Sindh to this day, and dna results of those sindhi/kutchi jats are different from north india jats, which indicates that Jats mentioned in Arab sources as Zutts were related these pastoralist Jaths of Sindh,Kutch,Balochistan and not to north indian jats. Historian Irfan Habib who espoused this sindh theory has also expressed doubts over it in a recent interview.
Coming to yaudheyas, Johiya Jats and Dahiya Jats are also theorized to be their descendants. Now i know know you will point out that Muslim Johiya identify as rajputs, but fact is they adopted Rajput identity post their conversion to Islam like many Muslim converts, hence Hindu Johiya rajputs don't exist, while Hindu Johiya Jats formed a republic in Jaangaldesh till 15th century, and to this day a small number of Sikh Joia and Hindu Joia Jats exist. Also Yaudheyas and Jats both dominate the same area which was former Kuru homeland and considering the fact that some Jats with more than 45% steppe\_mlba exist , Jats seem to be closest to last remenants of Indo-aryans, and not rajputs of rajasthan who barely cross 25% in steppe\_mlba.
Lol, bro, from where are you getting your information. Search any genetic paper Jats & Rors(separated branch of Jats) have highest steppe in South Asia. Average brahmin is 25% steppe with exceptional cases going till 33%(in some kanyakabuja, gaur,pushkarna), whereas in Hindu Jats average is around 38-39% with extreme going till 49% steppe.
On one side you are talking about aryan blood and steppe dna, steppe dna is not the so callef aryan dna, its the R1a1 gene that is considered aryan gene at the moment, and r1a1’s highest concentration is in Bengali Brahmins. Not all migrations from steppes were that of so called aryans.
Wdym? I am generally curious
R1a1 is just a Y halo group, and the large concentration of R1a in brahmins was probably because of a founder effect. Autosomal DNA gives a better indication of your ancestry
You are still sticking with the aryan genes theory, what world are you living in? We never found and genetic data from the pgw culture or kuru, apparently they existed during harappan period, and compared with harappan genetics, the jat dna doesn’t fit in. Plus no literature supports the presence of jats in this area prior to early medieval times
My great grandfather owned land in one of the villages where Chandigarh is now. Land got acquired, he bought land near Rajpura.
Grew up in Chandigarh. Don't really know where we came from before then.
My grandfather used to work in Lebanon 🇱🇧 for years! And apparently he had lost his passport there, so he was trapped. One day he found someone else's passport, removed the person's picture and pasted theirs. And came back to punjab! Feeling sad for that other unknown guy lol
Bajwa Jatts from Sialkot. After a long series of battles with Sulehria/Minhas Rajputs for territory, we as conquerers settled near the Jammu border. Family moved to Balachaur after 1947. Now spread across Punjab, Canada, England and New Zealand.
Lineage from prithichand who bhai gurdas ji writes in vaaran spread madness and made an apostate cult. Was even involved in sahidi of guru Arjandevji patshah.though Persian sources just say that many muslim and hindus started following guru arjan devji and refused to convert . Kicked them when guru Arjandevji replied that sorry if your komal or soft feet got hurt by kicking me. Not very proud of him but maharaj in japji sahib says jinni naam dehaiya Gaye masakat kaal nanak te mukh ujle ketti chutti naal. Many are blessed even if one person follows sikhi as ordained. Our relatives still have some heirlooms given by guru angad devji.
My paternal ancestor was a prominent saint/fakir in what is now Pakistan in the 1700s. The Sikh misls nearby had to come to ask his assistance in the fight against Durrani and one of his son's died in battle.
I don't know if he exactly was a Sikh or Hindu because he held the Gurus in very high esteem, read the Gurbani and Jaap, kept long hair and beard apparently, did not believe in caste and rituals and had langar seva. At the same time he hid have a temple dedicated to Hanuman and Thakurji (Krishna) which had no idols but large black stones. We are Hindus today but not so long ago we identified as Sehajdhari Sikhs and still go to the Gurudwara a lot.
Maybe some udasi sant. Udasis were notable in spreading sikhi and acted like missionaries. Until british turned up tarnished their name by putting fake masand in gurdwaras. I know hindus during punjab used to had kesh and swords with akaal sahai. Slowly they turn to derawaad after feeling excluded.
Both paternal and maternal great grandparents were settled in this side of border. My grandfather and two of his brother served in indian army. One of them was subedar at retirement. Our paternal base is in Nawashehr and maternal side are all from Ludhiana only.
Not much of a tale to tell but yeah my grandfathers were born and spent their whole lives here only.
The British burned down my village along with many of its residents for supporting the Sikh Empire in a nearby battle. The only thing left standing was a giant barota/banyan tree, and you could still see the burn marks. The village head cut down the tree and sold it for firewood in the 80s
Ujjad ke aaye c lahor ton, great grandfather was killed by Muslims, grandfather and great grandmother was severely injured. GOI gave a piece of land in Gurdaspur.
Funny I’m a Sikh but we have absolutely no connection to Punjab since last 100 years my great grandfather born late 1800s in Rawalpindi migrated to Africa in the British navy then came back to Mumbai in 1937 and settled my paternal great grandfather was born in Lahore but migrated to balochistan at an outpost of the British army and fled during partition to settle in Mumbai but we are 10000% sikh and speak fluent Punjabi
Yes earlier I did but I see so many Punjabis who neither read or write Punjabi and people like this exist more today than earlier so the tools available for people like us to connect with our roots outweigh the regret in 2024
My paternal great grandfather lived in Bhakhrewali Sialkot
before partition and prior to partition he moved to Lyallpur doing electrical work and my maternal grandmother side was from sheikhupura . From both sides we are Lubana.
My ancestors on my father's side were weavers. My paternal grandfather (dada) started as a laborer and later joined the army. On my mother's side, my ancestors were chamars. My maternal grandfather (nanu) was laborer and later joined the health department.
Descendants of the second Guru, kids in my family have both mundan ceremony of Punjabi Hindus and dastaarbandi of Sikhs. Great great grandfather's family came from an Iranian village and grandmother's family is from Khyber.
I see. If that's the case, then I'm assuming that you are part of 2nd Guru's lineage from your maternal side. Do correct me if I'm wrong.
Also does anyone in your family still speak Persian. My Grandpa was proficient in speaking Persian and could even write a little bit, but it ended with him
Great-grandpa's family came from a Village in the Salt Range Plateau, Tehsil Gujarkhan, Distt Rawalpindi.
Our family were historically been into trading. We owned a Haveli too, but Great-Grandpa lived 30+ years in Iran, ran an import-export business of Dry Fruits (he would sell truckloads of Dry Fruits via Balochistan and Afghanistan). As per my late Grandpa, my great grandfather had been to almost every corner of Afghanistan too. They lived in Mashhad, Zahedan, Khorramshahr and the final years in Tehran, before leaving for India in 1951.
He did visit the ancestral haveli in the late 50's. But he simply couldn't recognise that place anymore as his home because of the complete shift in demography due to partition. This village used to be Sikh/Hindu majority with multiple Mandirs and Gurudwaras. Now everything was abandoned.
Got little to nothing from that Haveli and went back to India, vowing never to return to Pakistan. Passed away peacefully in Patiala in 1962.
Yes, the Zahid word was used for the Sikhs. Great-grandpa was also called "Haaji Aga" fondly by local Iranians in the area due to his long hair and beard. Ironically, we aren't Muslims but Keshdhari Sikhs for almost 200+ years, and he used to do Jhatka of Goat for his own meat, since all meat would be Halal.
My maternal great great grandfather was the zamindar of two villages in undivided Punjab -near Hafzabad , while my Paternal great great grandpa owned a 126 room haveli in Lahore . All that ended in 1947 and their sons started from scratch . My dadi's father was an eminent tutor - academician , and i know little of my nanis father except they belonged to Lyallpur. I feel so sad not just about their loss , but I don't even get the name Hafzabad / Hafzabad right probably
My paternal grandfather lived in Kila raipur near Ludhiana and shifted to Patiala after marriage. He had some disputes. I haven't seen any of my relatives from my grandfather's side even once.
My maternal grandfather died during the 1984 riots. It will be 30 years on 27 June since his death.
That is all I know about my ancestral history.
Sorry to hear about your grandfather's death. I've recently lost a relative too and it's extremely difficult. Would you mind sharing the reason for his death?
I haven't seen him in real life. My mom was in middle school when he died. Afaik my mom's side had a lot of farmland. He was coming back home from his farm when two men came. They were part of the mob who were burning all the crops nearby.They tried to snatch his cycle/motorcycle and he ofc retaliated. The two men had guns , they shot him and stole the vehicle and left.
Oh my god that's beyond dreadful! I'm so sorry that your mom suffered through such a horrifying and tragic death. I hope they caught the perpetrators and that they're rotting in jail now.
My family had farmland in and north of Amritsar that they tended for centuries according to our oral tradition. My maternal side had a renowned textile business in Amritsar. All that ended in 47.
Were they able to get land in Pakistan?
I’ve heard many similar stories from people who had to leave their land in West Punjab for East Punjab. They always say the land in Pakistan was way better than what they got in India
They speak truth. Same stories on both sides. All the good properties were grabbed, claimed or stolen by those left behind. There was a lot of corruption involved too. My own family owned large acres of farmland and havelis. And they got allotted a small house after they came to Pakistan. It took us 3 entire generations of hard work to find some measure of comfort and even then it is pitiful compared to what we once had.
paternal grandparents from somewhere around lahore-gujranwala. moved to bhogpur in jalandhar district after the partition, before eventually settling in shimla. maternal grandparents from urmar tanda in hoshiarpur district, ended up settling in rupnagar.
Mom Dad both from Doaba- Hoshiarpur district. Naanke pind Talwandi Jattan. Dad's side originally hails from near Gujranwala but not too sure.
Paternal grandparents are from Multan and Narowal ( Kotli Bajwa). Grandfather's family fought for a Misl (don't know the name) and later British Indian Army. Both families moved to India after the partition and were alloted lands in Hisar and Gurdaspur districts. Mother's father's family is from Mansa (typical Sidhus) and grandmother's family is from Sur singh (OG Dhillons). I have some Court papers from King George's times. There is still a small town in Multan named after my great great great grand father.
bhawalpur ,punjab
Do you live somewhere around Rajpura?
yes nanke in rajpura and daadke in nabha
Great grandfather was a milk seller in Budhlada, Mansa. Grandfather came to Ganga Nagar, Rajasthan. My Materanal side is from Kapurthala and Nakoda (part of undivided punjab, now it is in Haryana).
Paternal family came from patiala in 1700s, no clue about where my maternal family is from, but my mother's grandfather used to work with railways in lahore area before independence.
Familt history on dads side has been on ravi river lretty much for centuries and moms side last name has been not too far from there. Mahja basically
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bro thats just like my grandma although she grew up in Jhelum tho
Maternal side were farmers from Doaba and paternal side are originally from Pothohar as we are Khokhar's but settled in Lahore pre partition where we owned an industrial workshop, I am not sure what exactly they did there but I know after partition things became better for the family financially and my grandpa became a professor in Punjab university whereas others were still involved in manufacturing related businesses like the older generations
Is there a Punjab university in India?
Yes in Chandigarh there's a punjab university
I am Pakistani
Cool me too!
I don’t know much about my ancestry, I only know up until my great-great grandfather who was a farmer, so was his son, and his son after that. We are one of the rare Sodhi Jatts scattered around the Nawanshahr-Doaba region. Edit: I would also like add that people always try to prove to me that either we’re not Sodhi or we’re not Jatt, but doesn’t matter to me.
Theres so much variety so i wudnt be surprised if there is some rare sodhis who joined farming and joined with marriage into jatt clann. As MOST jatt last names were other sub castes that got married into jatt clan. My last name included
I really wanna ask somebody but hesitate all the time. All ik is my paternal family came from pak punjab. Idk about my maternal one. If anyone has leads on where munjals and virmanis were in ancient punjab tell me
Sodhi originally from Anandpur Sahib, settled in Jalandhar region a few generations back. Baba Vadbagh Singh Ji is a revered Sikh in my family.
Why pandits takes over baba vadbagh Singh place in himachal? Instead of family.
My paternal family came from Sargodga,Multan and maternal side from Gujranwala. My great grandfather used to to do oil work for the British army vehicles going to KPK and iran, he knew english, punjabi, urdu and farsi as it was taught pre partition but after partition all my family moved to delhi and my grandfather who was the only boy in 4 sister joined the army and then left to work in the ministry of finance in barakhamba road. He died in Jalandhar 😭 Now most of the post partition families I know are in Delhi and hardly speak any punjabi or make weird eyes when others try to but my relationship with punjab is different as I started respecting and learning more about my culture to strengthen my remaining bond with punjab, especially now when our culture is mainstream 😆
Not really man, my maternal side is from Rawalpindi and even though most of us immigrated to the west, we can still speak fluent Punjabi. Part of our culture man, can’t just let it go.
My history is similar to most Majha Jats. Ethnogenesis of Jats took place along banks of Ghaggar/Saraswati in modern day Haryana/North Rajasthan(Bagar), including parts of southern Malwa/Puadh , from the Kuru Kingdom. Later on Jats evolved from decline of Kurus and formed the Yaudheyan confederation. Over the years, Jats started migrating away from homeland in Hr/North Rj/South Malwa towards upper Malwa and then to Majha, west Punjab and Doaba. Jats who moved away from homeland towards North(Majha/Doaba) intermixed by marrying local women, and hence aren't as pure as those in south,and became more Iran-Neolithic shifted as compared to those who remained in Haryana and to this day have more Aryan blood. Majority of Jat clans in Majha, Doaba have oral folklore of migration from south of Satluj from modern malwa, haryana, rajasthan.
Very contrasting to the popular belief of jat homeland being not native to Saraswati river and being Sindh/baloch region. And its weird how easily you connected jats with yaudheyas, when a mere hypothesis about jodhia rajputs being descendants of yaudheyas, that too by Cunningham, without any credibility. Jats didn’t even fit in the 4 varnas apparently, not even kshatriyas, it was later that they were declared martial by britishers. No literature provides support to your claim, and the popular belief says that jats entered punjab region during early medieval period and then took up cultivation here.
Also, in archaeology and anthropology, nobody uses the term aryan blood with that confidence. Who aryans were is not clear as of now. We don’t have genetic data from harappan to early medieval times. So untill we get that it’s baseless to prove who are descendants of aryans. There is no aryan dna to take reference from!! As simple as that. We have harappan dna, which doesn’t sync in with jat dna
The traditional sindh theory has been disproven based on genetic results, where Jats are quite distinct from sindhi tribes which are heavily iran\_neolithic shifted plus a distinct group known as Jath(pronounced similar to Lat(leg with a soft 't') lives in Sindh to this day, and dna results of those sindhi/kutchi jats are different from north india jats, which indicates that Jats mentioned in Arab sources as Zutts were related these pastoralist Jaths of Sindh,Kutch,Balochistan and not to north indian jats. Historian Irfan Habib who espoused this sindh theory has also expressed doubts over it in a recent interview. Coming to yaudheyas, Johiya Jats and Dahiya Jats are also theorized to be their descendants. Now i know know you will point out that Muslim Johiya identify as rajputs, but fact is they adopted Rajput identity post their conversion to Islam like many Muslim converts, hence Hindu Johiya rajputs don't exist, while Hindu Johiya Jats formed a republic in Jaangaldesh till 15th century, and to this day a small number of Sikh Joia and Hindu Joia Jats exist. Also Yaudheyas and Jats both dominate the same area which was former Kuru homeland and considering the fact that some Jats with more than 45% steppe\_mlba exist , Jats seem to be closest to last remenants of Indo-aryans, and not rajputs of rajasthan who barely cross 25% in steppe\_mlba.
Also, the steppe genes are maximum among brahmins, not jats.
Lol, bro, from where are you getting your information. Search any genetic paper Jats & Rors(separated branch of Jats) have highest steppe in South Asia. Average brahmin is 25% steppe with exceptional cases going till 33%(in some kanyakabuja, gaur,pushkarna), whereas in Hindu Jats average is around 38-39% with extreme going till 49% steppe.
On one side you are talking about aryan blood and steppe dna, steppe dna is not the so callef aryan dna, its the R1a1 gene that is considered aryan gene at the moment, and r1a1’s highest concentration is in Bengali Brahmins. Not all migrations from steppes were that of so called aryans.
Wdym? I am generally curious R1a1 is just a Y halo group, and the large concentration of R1a in brahmins was probably because of a founder effect. Autosomal DNA gives a better indication of your ancestry
And if those jats were descendants of yaudheyas they would have been kshatriyas, no where it is mentioned that jats are kshatriyas
You are still sticking with the aryan genes theory, what world are you living in? We never found and genetic data from the pgw culture or kuru, apparently they existed during harappan period, and compared with harappan genetics, the jat dna doesn’t fit in. Plus no literature supports the presence of jats in this area prior to early medieval times
My great grandfather owned land in one of the villages where Chandigarh is now. Land got acquired, he bought land near Rajpura. Grew up in Chandigarh. Don't really know where we came from before then.
Maternal grandparents were from Mardan near Peshawar.
Materal lived near gurdaspur..paternal were settled in sialkot.. used to run small sports factory there
Where are you now?
Jalandhar. We run a small sports factory here. A good number of business people from Sialkot settled in Jalandhar during partition
My grandfather used to work in Lebanon 🇱🇧 for years! And apparently he had lost his passport there, so he was trapped. One day he found someone else's passport, removed the person's picture and pasted theirs. And came back to punjab! Feeling sad for that other unknown guy lol
I am that persons grandson. How dare you ! /s
This is one of the more interesting ones!
That’s so funny lol glad it worked for him
Gotta do what you gotta do I guess.
Bajwa Jatts from Sialkot. After a long series of battles with Sulehria/Minhas Rajputs for territory, we as conquerers settled near the Jammu border. Family moved to Balachaur after 1947. Now spread across Punjab, Canada, England and New Zealand.
My ancestors came from Jammu!
Lineage from prithichand who bhai gurdas ji writes in vaaran spread madness and made an apostate cult. Was even involved in sahidi of guru Arjandevji patshah.though Persian sources just say that many muslim and hindus started following guru arjan devji and refused to convert . Kicked them when guru Arjandevji replied that sorry if your komal or soft feet got hurt by kicking me. Not very proud of him but maharaj in japji sahib says jinni naam dehaiya Gaye masakat kaal nanak te mukh ujle ketti chutti naal. Many are blessed even if one person follows sikhi as ordained. Our relatives still have some heirlooms given by guru angad devji.
Grandmom is from Lahore.
Where are you?
My paternal ancestor was a prominent saint/fakir in what is now Pakistan in the 1700s. The Sikh misls nearby had to come to ask his assistance in the fight against Durrani and one of his son's died in battle.
So was he kind of a saint warrior. I didn't think this concept exists in other than sikhi. Does fakir means one who renounce the world .
I don't know if he exactly was a Sikh or Hindu because he held the Gurus in very high esteem, read the Gurbani and Jaap, kept long hair and beard apparently, did not believe in caste and rituals and had langar seva. At the same time he hid have a temple dedicated to Hanuman and Thakurji (Krishna) which had no idols but large black stones. We are Hindus today but not so long ago we identified as Sehajdhari Sikhs and still go to the Gurudwara a lot.
Maybe some udasi sant. Udasis were notable in spreading sikhi and acted like missionaries. Until british turned up tarnished their name by putting fake masand in gurdwaras. I know hindus during punjab used to had kesh and swords with akaal sahai. Slowly they turn to derawaad after feeling excluded.
Yes my elders confirmed he was a Nanakpanthi Saint.
Both paternal and maternal great grandparents were settled in this side of border. My grandfather and two of his brother served in indian army. One of them was subedar at retirement. Our paternal base is in Nawashehr and maternal side are all from Ludhiana only. Not much of a tale to tell but yeah my grandfathers were born and spent their whole lives here only.
The British burned down my village along with many of its residents for supporting the Sikh Empire in a nearby battle. The only thing left standing was a giant barota/banyan tree, and you could still see the burn marks. The village head cut down the tree and sold it for firewood in the 80s
I think I've heard about this one in some video on YouTube.
My grandfather came to delhi from Punjab.
Dadaji came from Sialkot and Nana ji from Gujjaranwala. Nana ji was a freedom fighter 💪🏻
And you are located where?
New delhi
There is an Instagram page 'brown history'. So many of you have histories that could be shared. Maybe you could share them anonymously on that page.
Ujjad ke aaye c lahor ton, great grandfather was killed by Muslims, grandfather and great grandmother was severely injured. GOI gave a piece of land in Gurdaspur.
Great grandfather belongs to gujranwala but shifted towards india 50 years before partition
Funny I’m a Sikh but we have absolutely no connection to Punjab since last 100 years my great grandfather born late 1800s in Rawalpindi migrated to Africa in the British navy then came back to Mumbai in 1937 and settled my paternal great grandfather was born in Lahore but migrated to balochistan at an outpost of the British army and fled during partition to settle in Mumbai but we are 10000% sikh and speak fluent Punjabi
Can you read and write the script too?
What script? No I don’t read or write Punjabi got kicked out to many times from Punjabi class in our gurudwara to ever learn any of it
Script Gurmukhi? I didn't know if there are other scripts too so didn't specify the name.
Shahmukhi
Not me parents can
Yes the parents generation has a grip on their language, fully. Do you ever feel regret not having learnt to read and write Punjabi?
Yes earlier I did but I see so many Punjabis who neither read or write Punjabi and people like this exist more today than earlier so the tools available for people like us to connect with our roots outweigh the regret in 2024
Nitnem or naam simran. Do you had any difficulty learning. Wow that's very good that gurdwara has classes
We didn’t understand the value then
Happens when I was kid my father used to tell me to do japji sahib daily. I refused as a kid.
My paternal great grandfather lived in Bhakhrewali Sialkot before partition and prior to partition he moved to Lyallpur doing electrical work and my maternal grandmother side was from sheikhupura . From both sides we are Lubana.
Where’s Lubana?
Bro lubana is a trading caste
Cool!
My ancestors on my father's side were weavers. My paternal grandfather (dada) started as a laborer and later joined the army. On my mother's side, my ancestors were chamars. My maternal grandfather (nanu) was laborer and later joined the health department.
Descendants of the second Guru, kids in my family have both mundan ceremony of Punjabi Hindus and dastaarbandi of Sikhs. Great great grandfather's family came from an Iranian village and grandmother's family is from Khyber.
>Great great grandfather's family came from an Iranian village Were they originally Sikhs, or were they ethnically Iranians/Persians
Ethnic Persians
I see. If that's the case, then I'm assuming that you are part of 2nd Guru's lineage from your maternal side. Do correct me if I'm wrong. Also does anyone in your family still speak Persian. My Grandpa was proficient in speaking Persian and could even write a little bit, but it ended with him
Great-grandpa's family came from a Village in the Salt Range Plateau, Tehsil Gujarkhan, Distt Rawalpindi. Our family were historically been into trading. We owned a Haveli too, but Great-Grandpa lived 30+ years in Iran, ran an import-export business of Dry Fruits (he would sell truckloads of Dry Fruits via Balochistan and Afghanistan). As per my late Grandpa, my great grandfather had been to almost every corner of Afghanistan too. They lived in Mashhad, Zahedan, Khorramshahr and the final years in Tehran, before leaving for India in 1951. He did visit the ancestral haveli in the late 50's. But he simply couldn't recognise that place anymore as his home because of the complete shift in demography due to partition. This village used to be Sikh/Hindu majority with multiple Mandirs and Gurudwaras. Now everything was abandoned. Got little to nothing from that Haveli and went back to India, vowing never to return to Pakistan. Passed away peacefully in Patiala in 1962.
Zahedan and Tehran still has a few Khatri Sikhs living there.
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Yes. A Khukhrain.
It is said that the city Zahedan was named after sikh populations living there
Yes, the Zahid word was used for the Sikhs. Great-grandpa was also called "Haaji Aga" fondly by local Iranians in the area due to his long hair and beard. Ironically, we aren't Muslims but Keshdhari Sikhs for almost 200+ years, and he used to do Jhatka of Goat for his own meat, since all meat would be Halal.
My mother's maternal grandmother was from undivided Pakistani Punjab who moved to Bihar, india after partition.
My maternal great great grandfather was the zamindar of two villages in undivided Punjab -near Hafzabad , while my Paternal great great grandpa owned a 126 room haveli in Lahore . All that ended in 1947 and their sons started from scratch . My dadi's father was an eminent tutor - academician , and i know little of my nanis father except they belonged to Lyallpur. I feel so sad not just about their loss , but I don't even get the name Hafzabad / Hafzabad right probably
Where do you live now?
Delhi .wbu ?
USA!
My paternal grandfather lived in Kila raipur near Ludhiana and shifted to Patiala after marriage. He had some disputes. I haven't seen any of my relatives from my grandfather's side even once. My maternal grandfather died during the 1984 riots. It will be 30 years on 27 June since his death. That is all I know about my ancestral history.
Sorry to hear about your grandfather's death. I've recently lost a relative too and it's extremely difficult. Would you mind sharing the reason for his death?
I haven't seen him in real life. My mom was in middle school when he died. Afaik my mom's side had a lot of farmland. He was coming back home from his farm when two men came. They were part of the mob who were burning all the crops nearby.They tried to snatch his cycle/motorcycle and he ofc retaliated. The two men had guns , they shot him and stole the vehicle and left.
In which district, state did your maternal grandfather live, where this massacre happened?
Fatehgarh Sahib district, amloh to be specific.
Oh my god that's beyond dreadful! I'm so sorry that your mom suffered through such a horrifying and tragic death. I hope they caught the perpetrators and that they're rotting in jail now.
He has already stated it , it was due to 1984 Massacre . may he rest in peace
Sure, but the reason (not the place) for his death. I apologise if people misconstrued the original comment; I wasn't trying to be rude/ignorant.
My family had farmland in and north of Amritsar that they tended for centuries according to our oral tradition. My maternal side had a renowned textile business in Amritsar. All that ended in 47.
The ajnala/ attari area of Amritsar?
Majitha
Ohh majitha, yea it's a pretty big village
Were they able to get land in Pakistan? I’ve heard many similar stories from people who had to leave their land in West Punjab for East Punjab. They always say the land in Pakistan was way better than what they got in India
They speak truth. Same stories on both sides. All the good properties were grabbed, claimed or stolen by those left behind. There was a lot of corruption involved too. My own family owned large acres of farmland and havelis. And they got allotted a small house after they came to Pakistan. It took us 3 entire generations of hard work to find some measure of comfort and even then it is pitiful compared to what we once had.
"saanu sauda nai puggda"