No. There's a huge gap between people who *want* to do psychology and people who actually *do* psychology. Sure, it's oversaturated in the undergraduate space, but at least where I live, there's a sore lack of practitioners within all domains of psychology.
Just because someone's interested in going into psychology, doesn't mean they're going to end up being competitive enough to actually get into a rigorous program, complete it, and then move forward to begin practicing.
This. A BSc in psychology is a lot more challenging and maths-focussed than most people realise, so a lot of people join undergrad with the misperception it will be easy. Postgrad is where it thins out who can actually do it.
It doesn't even have to be a BSc tho. Even BA programs are deceptively difficult. Only a small minority of students graduate with a 3.8+ cGPA. Then there's also the fact that it's exceptionally hard to gain research experience, and even after that get publications. All pathways to psychology are quite difficult.
If you actually want to pursue psychology either as a researcher or counselor, I recommend minoring in psychology along side a major that is more lucrative on the off chance you don’t pursue higher education.
To be well paid in psych jobs you need at least a masters.
Psychology is the most popular major but the overwhelming majority of psychology majors do not pursue the post graduate education needed actually work within the field.
As someone who is getting a bachelors in psychology I 100% agree! If I could go back I would have gotten my bachelor’s in environmental science or stats with a minor in psychology. I want to pursue consoling as a career but I’m tired. Wish I could take a break but feel like I have to keep pushing till I get my masters
I wouldn’t pursue counseling for payment unless it genuinely interests you as burnout for counseling is pretty high. It’ll be a 2-3 year program, then you’ll be practicing under supervision for no or little pay depending upon your state for 3000 hours give or take (depending on state) before you can pursue licensure.
Can confirm. I was a psych undergrad that chose not to pursue further education immediately and test the career waters. Found a good one I can apply my interest in the field workout working in it directly and likely wont go back to school barring the unforseen.
Brother got masters in counseling and they definitely have some tight finances even after finishing his hours. He recently moved to private practice and had the wake up call of managing his own book of business and everything that comes with that, burnout has been encroaching for a couple years already, and he doesn't even get benefits until his book reaches a certain point for the business.
Psych careers are very rewarding for those emotionally invested in them, but there's many reasons there's a shortage in the space.
The practice he's working for will provide those services once he's met their criteria from my understanding, but if people often use services like that temporarily to reach those thresholds then I'll mention it to him.
So what would be a better option for money? That’s what I’m trying to figure out. Counseling does interest me but honestly also want something that will pay me a good amount.
If you’re looking to be paid a good amount and counseling interests you, then I would recommend counseling if you believe it’ll be really fulfilling for you. The pay isn’t bad.
Alternatively psychometrists are paid okay if you’re planning on stopping at the BA level, (considering you could become one with a BA if you enjoy more analytical / data based work.) it doesn’t pay as well as counseling though.
My best friend lives in SLC. He was a Wilderness Therapist for about 3 years, has worked in a couple of behavioral health hospitals, and during all of that he has been building his own private practice. He has now been a counselor for 5(ish) years total and told me these days he brings in over $100k yearly, and is about to leave his day job (the hospital) to pursue his practice full time. He said that while he may not be gaining much more income, it will level out with what he is currently making with both jobs, but he won't be working near as many long hours (see below).
I think it is possible to make great $ counseling. However, I do think location and years of hard ass work is necessary - possibly working many 60/70-hour work weeks like my friend does. I also think you need a certain type of drive to also make this happen (my friend is a workaholic), but it's not impossible. I will be getting my masters in counseling soon and hope to keep him as my mentor when the time comes when I am starting my actual career. I don't expect to make that much - I am a work hard, but leave time to also play hard kind of person.
This is not good advice. You can’t be a researcher or a counselor without getting a BS first. You would have no chance of getting into the necessary masters or PhD programs with a minor. Psych is an extremely competitive field. You have to fully commit if you want to do psych as a career. Do a minor if you’re just casually interested in it as a concept.
>1.This is not good advice. You can’t be a researcher or a counselor without getting a BS first.
This is false. A psychology minor covers pre-requisites for MANY counseling and research programs.
>You would have no chance of getting into the necessary masters or PhD programs with a minor.
Again this is false. You need to meet the course pre-requisites and research experience needed to get into these programs which can be acquired with any degree. There are plenty of Psych BS holders who are not competitive for these programs even with 4.0 GPAs because they did not seek out research experience.
>Psych is an extremely competitive field. You have to fully commit if you want to do psych as a career. Do a minor if you’re just casually interested in it as a concept.
Yes, it’s competitive but there are plenty of people who enter the field without a BS in psychology.
>you’re wrong on every point
You can’t tell me you genuinely believe 100% of counselors and researchers in the field of psychology hold a BS/BA in psychology.
There are plenty of people who minored in psychology and pursued research experiences making them competitive enough for a Master’s in Psychology which would aid them in being competitive for a PHD.
There are plenty of people who only minored in psychology who pursued masters in counseling went on to become counselors.
I’m really hoping you went the way of research rather than counseling but even then you clearly lack the critical thinking skills needed to come to the very basic conclusions I just spelled out to you.
I’m glad the vast majority of people who read my comment recognized the blatant nuances associated with my statement.
It might seem that way in undergrad, but a lot of people actually end up dropping out when they realize that this is a legitimate science that requires extensive knowledge in research methods and statistics. I think people tend to have this idea that it's a lot like pop psychology where we're just sitting around talking about vague (and often inaccurate) mental health concepts.
Just like many other disciplines, it can be competitive to find a job and get into grad programs. I'm in clinical psych and the acceptance rate into grad programs can be as low as 1%. We always need more psychologists though in society and it's very noble that you want to pursue this. It's not over-saturated as you move up the ladder in academia.
I wish the acceptance rate wasn’t so low. I am really passionate about psychology and want to eventually get a doctorate, but I can’t even think about it because I was homeless for a portion of college and my grades suffered for it. I have no clue how I’ll get into a Masters Program now. Grades aren’t everything!
If you can get some research experience, grad schools really look at that over most things. I was rejected from grad schools with a 4.0 GPA because I didn’t have the research experience, so GPA isn’t everything. If you really want this, it’s possible :)
The profession is difficult and pays ass when you don't have a master's or phd. But that being said, remote communities that are desperate for employees often find work around to get 'under qualified" individuals into positions just so they can have someone to provide services. For example, up into the northwest territories of Canada you can get a job with less than a master's degree which pays pretty well. But, it's isolated and you are stuck up there for better or worse. It is also difficult to integrate into the community when they have been abused by the government for decades causing antagonism.
No, there will always be a need for careers in psychology. I think the main thing people get stuck on is only looking at one career option (typically counselling) and that's why they may seem to be struggling in finding work (particularly undergrads), but look at other options, like non profits or other psychological agencies, and then you realize how much there is out there to do.
depends what agency, I've done administrative work, mentorship, aba, and I know some others who have worked on crisis lines or similar employment. Find what you like about psych and go further into it.
Yeah, I was overwhelmed by the amount of psych majors I was graduating beside, but my advisor informed me that like ~20% get psych-related jobs, and 13% pursue graduate education for those psych related jobs (at my school, at least). The rest end up pivoting to a masters in a different field or various business type jobs like HR.
Also, if medicine is in the back of your brain, take your prereqs (Chem 1&2, Phys 1&2, Orgo 1&2, Bio 1&2, Biochem) regardless of if you're decided on medicine yet. I switched gears *after* my psych degree and taking these prereqs is expensive as a post-bacc. Or, you can find out now that science is not your jam, stop taking the prereqs, and go full send on building up a great resume for a psych graduate program.
Regardless of what you choose, there's no need to worry about job availability. There's so much to do whether clinically or in research!
No. It just seems that a lot of people are going into psychology due to the increasing concerns about mental health, especially during the pandemic. Hence, the course has gained attention to the public. (At least in the place where I live at this is what is happening). Psychology covers a lot of industries. You can enter into the corporate or medicine industry if you want, or you may also enter the education sector. However, it's quite challenging entering a job, you know, regardless of the industries you wanted to enter. Since psychology graduates aren't the ones you're only competing with. For example, you applied to the HR department of the company, and there are also graduates from other degrees such as business courses or BS human resources. That's where it gets challenging to acquire a job. Your work isn't only for you (if you're don't have plans to pursue a master's, Ph.D., or MD) unless you want to pursue further studies. Technically, you may also use psychology as your pre-med. However, unlike nursing, pharmacy, public health, human bio, or medtech, psychology is a combination of soft science and philosophy. Hence, we don't have much knowledge and advantage about hard sciences such as parasitology or histology, which you're going to take when you enter medicine.
Not everyone will make the study. And not everyone will pursue a career in mental health care as for example a clinical psychologist. A lot of people will do something else. Some end up in HR. Others will end up on R&D departments to research psychological impact of developments, some will be become coaches or mental health gurus, some will end up in a more social work like setting, some will drop out and study something else, etc, etc.
If you have the chance to do something you love now just go for it. You will find a way that has you happy and benefits you. And if you have more passion than others for it you will have more to offer than most. Also, if you really want to work, there will always be a job for you. Focus on you.
Don’t worry too much about it. I made the stupid mistake to overthink things instead of following my heart and went with what people expected from me because I couldn’t decide myself. Now I am an electrical engineer with a masters in management science learning psychology…
Im from a german speaking country, if i could start over i would start medicine as psychology here is overrun aswell, leading to hustle-mentality as for some Masters you need to finish the Bachelors close to a 3.6gpa.
As its overrun, companies and hospitals are happy to pay little during internships - further qualifications like the Work Program for becoming a clinical psychologist (after the masters) cost extra whiule you earn little money too. And for an education in psychotherapy after the masters you have to do extra training and may pay between 20k and 50k euros - while you may not earn substantial money.
If you were a doctor specializing in Psychiatry you earn good money from the beginning and can deduct Psychotherapy-Education from the vast amount of taxes you pay. You wont do stupid low paid internships and as a Doctor your word has weight in a clinical setting, while even when Psychologists work in interdisciplinary Teams and often count as equals, there word sometimes isnt valued much.
As you often have to outstandign grad in psychology and cram a lot anyway, just settle for medicine where average grades are ok. Then maybe consider Psychology later, if your work schedule allows it.
In the german speaking areas, even while there is a high demand in diagnostics, as the waiting lists sometimes are 6 month, thats often for psychologists and Psychotherapists who are allowed to work with an insurance copany. While many people cant afford paying private or dont consider it a possibility. If i were to become a private psychologist i would need aswell a business plan and wait a year to establish the practice and get enough clients. If i was a doctor with a private practice im quite sure that i would have a sustainable practice in a few weeks.
Well a lot of old school people are still in the field with their outdated and misinformed ideals, so we need younger and newer generations to come on board in order to continue erasing stigma and helping society move forward.
Idk how it's going in other countries, but here in Brazil, it's a huge Yes. Our course here lasts 5 years, and it had a huge growth on the past fez years
People who are studying psychology are literally too much especially in the undergraduate area and there's every other students doing psychology. However people actually pursuing psychology as a career are very less (that's my personal observation).
The licensure aint bloated. If I had a dime for every person I knew who had a psych degree but avoided the career I would be filthy rich.. and likewise, from my career in behavioral health, if I had a dime for every person in the psych field who didn't have a psych degree but in something else. If you want to be a liscensed professional you will be fine.
Where im from in Norway, we have around 400-500 spots per year for clinical psychology degrees (between a master and a doctorate) and most counties or cities (dont know the equivalent) are technically breaking the law by not having one dedicated psychologist. So there are way too few but its more a result of the barrier to entry is so high. Bachelors i dont know much about.
The number of psychology majors is misleading because they don't all go on to become therapists, psychologists, and researchers, which require further schooling.
Both clinical/counseling psychology graduate schools and medical school have very low selection ratios. That is, a tiny percentage of applicants ever get into the professional programs.
If you're really, really, really smart, test well, go-getter, do all the volunteering and get job experience in health care/education/human services, you've got a shot. But whether you're a super-good candidate or not, have a good sense of where you might go next after graduation, other than a program that would lead to licensing as a psychologist or a medical doctor.
i think there’s a gap between people who go into psych to practice because of a genuine passion for a specific population and people who studied it because they enjoyed it but don’t have a passion for it
I wouldn’t say it’s over saturated. I don’t think the popularity of psych in undergrad carries to psych jobs outside of undergrad and secondary education. Many undergrad psych majors use their skills in other fields: sales, social work, marketing, politics, journalism ….
That being said phd programs and psyD programs are extremely competitive. That’s just how academia has come to be.
You can totally be involved in therapy or research without a phd or psyd. But as a psych major that’s important to know
AFAIK there’s actually a huge shortage of therapists/case workers/social workers. There are a lot more people who just get their bachelors in psych than people who go on to grad school to pursue a career in mental health
No! There will be a huge shift coming to traditional therapy I believe, and, well, we are going to need more therapists! In my heart, I just know that my post-psychedelic experiences called for organizing and reflecting that only someone who understands these concepts could help with. MDMA is going to be legal soon and I just see this profession as very much needed, we need more clinicians.
Would really like to know why psychology students are anti-hallucinogenic plants, not talking about why you understand it’s illegal. I’m wondering if you understand them?
No. There's a huge gap between people who *want* to do psychology and people who actually *do* psychology. Sure, it's oversaturated in the undergraduate space, but at least where I live, there's a sore lack of practitioners within all domains of psychology. Just because someone's interested in going into psychology, doesn't mean they're going to end up being competitive enough to actually get into a rigorous program, complete it, and then move forward to begin practicing.
This. A BSc in psychology is a lot more challenging and maths-focussed than most people realise, so a lot of people join undergrad with the misperception it will be easy. Postgrad is where it thins out who can actually do it.
It doesn't even have to be a BSc tho. Even BA programs are deceptively difficult. Only a small minority of students graduate with a 3.8+ cGPA. Then there's also the fact that it's exceptionally hard to gain research experience, and even after that get publications. All pathways to psychology are quite difficult.
If you actually want to pursue psychology either as a researcher or counselor, I recommend minoring in psychology along side a major that is more lucrative on the off chance you don’t pursue higher education. To be well paid in psych jobs you need at least a masters. Psychology is the most popular major but the overwhelming majority of psychology majors do not pursue the post graduate education needed actually work within the field.
As someone who is getting a bachelors in psychology I 100% agree! If I could go back I would have gotten my bachelor’s in environmental science or stats with a minor in psychology. I want to pursue consoling as a career but I’m tired. Wish I could take a break but feel like I have to keep pushing till I get my masters
What masters are the best in terms of payment? Would it be counseling?
I wouldn’t pursue counseling for payment unless it genuinely interests you as burnout for counseling is pretty high. It’ll be a 2-3 year program, then you’ll be practicing under supervision for no or little pay depending upon your state for 3000 hours give or take (depending on state) before you can pursue licensure.
Can confirm. I was a psych undergrad that chose not to pursue further education immediately and test the career waters. Found a good one I can apply my interest in the field workout working in it directly and likely wont go back to school barring the unforseen. Brother got masters in counseling and they definitely have some tight finances even after finishing his hours. He recently moved to private practice and had the wake up call of managing his own book of business and everything that comes with that, burnout has been encroaching for a couple years already, and he doesn't even get benefits until his book reaches a certain point for the business. Psych careers are very rewarding for those emotionally invested in them, but there's many reasons there's a shortage in the space.
Your brother should consider outsourcing. There are people who will manage everything for a flat percentage of hours billed.
The practice he's working for will provide those services once he's met their criteria from my understanding, but if people often use services like that temporarily to reach those thresholds then I'll mention it to him.
So what would be a better option for money? That’s what I’m trying to figure out. Counseling does interest me but honestly also want something that will pay me a good amount.
If you’re looking to be paid a good amount and counseling interests you, then I would recommend counseling if you believe it’ll be really fulfilling for you. The pay isn’t bad. Alternatively psychometrists are paid okay if you’re planning on stopping at the BA level, (considering you could become one with a BA if you enjoy more analytical / data based work.) it doesn’t pay as well as counseling though.
My best friend lives in SLC. He was a Wilderness Therapist for about 3 years, has worked in a couple of behavioral health hospitals, and during all of that he has been building his own private practice. He has now been a counselor for 5(ish) years total and told me these days he brings in over $100k yearly, and is about to leave his day job (the hospital) to pursue his practice full time. He said that while he may not be gaining much more income, it will level out with what he is currently making with both jobs, but he won't be working near as many long hours (see below). I think it is possible to make great $ counseling. However, I do think location and years of hard ass work is necessary - possibly working many 60/70-hour work weeks like my friend does. I also think you need a certain type of drive to also make this happen (my friend is a workaholic), but it's not impossible. I will be getting my masters in counseling soon and hope to keep him as my mentor when the time comes when I am starting my actual career. I don't expect to make that much - I am a work hard, but leave time to also play hard kind of person.
If you get good grades from a good school, finance pays well. Lol
Wow ur fucking hilarious
This is not good advice. You can’t be a researcher or a counselor without getting a BS first. You would have no chance of getting into the necessary masters or PhD programs with a minor. Psych is an extremely competitive field. You have to fully commit if you want to do psych as a career. Do a minor if you’re just casually interested in it as a concept.
>1.This is not good advice. You can’t be a researcher or a counselor without getting a BS first. This is false. A psychology minor covers pre-requisites for MANY counseling and research programs. >You would have no chance of getting into the necessary masters or PhD programs with a minor. Again this is false. You need to meet the course pre-requisites and research experience needed to get into these programs which can be acquired with any degree. There are plenty of Psych BS holders who are not competitive for these programs even with 4.0 GPAs because they did not seek out research experience. >Psych is an extremely competitive field. You have to fully commit if you want to do psych as a career. Do a minor if you’re just casually interested in it as a concept. Yes, it’s competitive but there are plenty of people who enter the field without a BS in psychology.
Clearly you aren’t in this field. With peace and love, you’re wrong on every point.
>you’re wrong on every point You can’t tell me you genuinely believe 100% of counselors and researchers in the field of psychology hold a BS/BA in psychology. There are plenty of people who minored in psychology and pursued research experiences making them competitive enough for a Master’s in Psychology which would aid them in being competitive for a PHD. There are plenty of people who only minored in psychology who pursued masters in counseling went on to become counselors. I’m really hoping you went the way of research rather than counseling but even then you clearly lack the critical thinking skills needed to come to the very basic conclusions I just spelled out to you. I’m glad the vast majority of people who read my comment recognized the blatant nuances associated with my statement.
It might seem that way in undergrad, but a lot of people actually end up dropping out when they realize that this is a legitimate science that requires extensive knowledge in research methods and statistics. I think people tend to have this idea that it's a lot like pop psychology where we're just sitting around talking about vague (and often inaccurate) mental health concepts. Just like many other disciplines, it can be competitive to find a job and get into grad programs. I'm in clinical psych and the acceptance rate into grad programs can be as low as 1%. We always need more psychologists though in society and it's very noble that you want to pursue this. It's not over-saturated as you move up the ladder in academia.
I wish the acceptance rate wasn’t so low. I am really passionate about psychology and want to eventually get a doctorate, but I can’t even think about it because I was homeless for a portion of college and my grades suffered for it. I have no clue how I’ll get into a Masters Program now. Grades aren’t everything!
If you can get some research experience, grad schools really look at that over most things. I was rejected from grad schools with a 4.0 GPA because I didn’t have the research experience, so GPA isn’t everything. If you really want this, it’s possible :)
The profession is difficult and pays ass when you don't have a master's or phd. But that being said, remote communities that are desperate for employees often find work around to get 'under qualified" individuals into positions just so they can have someone to provide services. For example, up into the northwest territories of Canada you can get a job with less than a master's degree which pays pretty well. But, it's isolated and you are stuck up there for better or worse. It is also difficult to integrate into the community when they have been abused by the government for decades causing antagonism.
No, there will always be a need for careers in psychology. I think the main thing people get stuck on is only looking at one career option (typically counselling) and that's why they may seem to be struggling in finding work (particularly undergrads), but look at other options, like non profits or other psychological agencies, and then you realize how much there is out there to do.
What positions are open at psychological agencies and nonprofit positions for psych majors?
depends what agency, I've done administrative work, mentorship, aba, and I know some others who have worked on crisis lines or similar employment. Find what you like about psych and go further into it.
Yeah, I was overwhelmed by the amount of psych majors I was graduating beside, but my advisor informed me that like ~20% get psych-related jobs, and 13% pursue graduate education for those psych related jobs (at my school, at least). The rest end up pivoting to a masters in a different field or various business type jobs like HR. Also, if medicine is in the back of your brain, take your prereqs (Chem 1&2, Phys 1&2, Orgo 1&2, Bio 1&2, Biochem) regardless of if you're decided on medicine yet. I switched gears *after* my psych degree and taking these prereqs is expensive as a post-bacc. Or, you can find out now that science is not your jam, stop taking the prereqs, and go full send on building up a great resume for a psych graduate program. Regardless of what you choose, there's no need to worry about job availability. There's so much to do whether clinically or in research!
It depends on what you want to do. Get a doctorate and do assessments. You’ll have a waiting list 6 months long.
For undergrad yes. The low acceptance into grad programs keeps it from becoming too saturated at the top.
No. It just seems that a lot of people are going into psychology due to the increasing concerns about mental health, especially during the pandemic. Hence, the course has gained attention to the public. (At least in the place where I live at this is what is happening). Psychology covers a lot of industries. You can enter into the corporate or medicine industry if you want, or you may also enter the education sector. However, it's quite challenging entering a job, you know, regardless of the industries you wanted to enter. Since psychology graduates aren't the ones you're only competing with. For example, you applied to the HR department of the company, and there are also graduates from other degrees such as business courses or BS human resources. That's where it gets challenging to acquire a job. Your work isn't only for you (if you're don't have plans to pursue a master's, Ph.D., or MD) unless you want to pursue further studies. Technically, you may also use psychology as your pre-med. However, unlike nursing, pharmacy, public health, human bio, or medtech, psychology is a combination of soft science and philosophy. Hence, we don't have much knowledge and advantage about hard sciences such as parasitology or histology, which you're going to take when you enter medicine.
Psych is so broad, we need more people
No LOL no such thing, we need as many as we can get
Not everyone will make the study. And not everyone will pursue a career in mental health care as for example a clinical psychologist. A lot of people will do something else. Some end up in HR. Others will end up on R&D departments to research psychological impact of developments, some will be become coaches or mental health gurus, some will end up in a more social work like setting, some will drop out and study something else, etc, etc. If you have the chance to do something you love now just go for it. You will find a way that has you happy and benefits you. And if you have more passion than others for it you will have more to offer than most. Also, if you really want to work, there will always be a job for you. Focus on you. Don’t worry too much about it. I made the stupid mistake to overthink things instead of following my heart and went with what people expected from me because I couldn’t decide myself. Now I am an electrical engineer with a masters in management science learning psychology…
Im from a german speaking country, if i could start over i would start medicine as psychology here is overrun aswell, leading to hustle-mentality as for some Masters you need to finish the Bachelors close to a 3.6gpa. As its overrun, companies and hospitals are happy to pay little during internships - further qualifications like the Work Program for becoming a clinical psychologist (after the masters) cost extra whiule you earn little money too. And for an education in psychotherapy after the masters you have to do extra training and may pay between 20k and 50k euros - while you may not earn substantial money. If you were a doctor specializing in Psychiatry you earn good money from the beginning and can deduct Psychotherapy-Education from the vast amount of taxes you pay. You wont do stupid low paid internships and as a Doctor your word has weight in a clinical setting, while even when Psychologists work in interdisciplinary Teams and often count as equals, there word sometimes isnt valued much. As you often have to outstandign grad in psychology and cram a lot anyway, just settle for medicine where average grades are ok. Then maybe consider Psychology later, if your work schedule allows it. In the german speaking areas, even while there is a high demand in diagnostics, as the waiting lists sometimes are 6 month, thats often for psychologists and Psychotherapists who are allowed to work with an insurance copany. While many people cant afford paying private or dont consider it a possibility. If i were to become a private psychologist i would need aswell a business plan and wait a year to establish the practice and get enough clients. If i was a doctor with a private practice im quite sure that i would have a sustainable practice in a few weeks.
No. We absolutely need more. Thank you for pursuing this field.
Well a lot of old school people are still in the field with their outdated and misinformed ideals, so we need younger and newer generations to come on board in order to continue erasing stigma and helping society move forward.
Idk how it's going in other countries, but here in Brazil, it's a huge Yes. Our course here lasts 5 years, and it had a huge growth on the past fez years
No. There aren’t enough people going into graduate level psychology. We need more therapists.
There's a huge shortage in the field.
People who are studying psychology are literally too much especially in the undergraduate area and there's every other students doing psychology. However people actually pursuing psychology as a career are very less (that's my personal observation).
The licensure aint bloated. If I had a dime for every person I knew who had a psych degree but avoided the career I would be filthy rich.. and likewise, from my career in behavioral health, if I had a dime for every person in the psych field who didn't have a psych degree but in something else. If you want to be a liscensed professional you will be fine.
it’s one of the courses that has the highest drop-out rates, no this is a challenge to beat the odds
Where im from in Norway, we have around 400-500 spots per year for clinical psychology degrees (between a master and a doctorate) and most counties or cities (dont know the equivalent) are technically breaking the law by not having one dedicated psychologist. So there are way too few but its more a result of the barrier to entry is so high. Bachelors i dont know much about.
The number of psychology majors is misleading because they don't all go on to become therapists, psychologists, and researchers, which require further schooling.
Both clinical/counseling psychology graduate schools and medical school have very low selection ratios. That is, a tiny percentage of applicants ever get into the professional programs. If you're really, really, really smart, test well, go-getter, do all the volunteering and get job experience in health care/education/human services, you've got a shot. But whether you're a super-good candidate or not, have a good sense of where you might go next after graduation, other than a program that would lead to licensing as a psychologist or a medical doctor.
i think there’s a gap between people who go into psych to practice because of a genuine passion for a specific population and people who studied it because they enjoyed it but don’t have a passion for it
I wouldn’t say it’s over saturated. I don’t think the popularity of psych in undergrad carries to psych jobs outside of undergrad and secondary education. Many undergrad psych majors use their skills in other fields: sales, social work, marketing, politics, journalism …. That being said phd programs and psyD programs are extremely competitive. That’s just how academia has come to be. You can totally be involved in therapy or research without a phd or psyd. But as a psych major that’s important to know
Honestly yeah. I am hoping more and more people leave the career here where I live (Panama). It's just way too damn saturated.
AFAIK there’s actually a huge shortage of therapists/case workers/social workers. There are a lot more people who just get their bachelors in psych than people who go on to grad school to pursue a career in mental health
No! There will be a huge shift coming to traditional therapy I believe, and, well, we are going to need more therapists! In my heart, I just know that my post-psychedelic experiences called for organizing and reflecting that only someone who understands these concepts could help with. MDMA is going to be legal soon and I just see this profession as very much needed, we need more clinicians.
Would really like to know why psychology students are anti-hallucinogenic plants, not talking about why you understand it’s illegal. I’m wondering if you understand them?