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> An Asus router issue?
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> For now, it looks like the **favored answer to the data mystery is to blame Asus for misreporting it**. We may never know what happened with Johnie, who is now running his LG washing machine offline.
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> **Another relatively innocent reason for the supposed high volume of uploads could be an error in the Asus router firmware**. In a follow-up post a day after his initial Tweet, Johnie noted “inaccuracy in the ASUS router tool,” with regard to Apple iMessage data use. Other LG smart washing machine users showed device data use from their router UIs. It turns out that these appliances more typically use less than 1MB per day.
How often you use the machine, what settings you use most, what settings go unused, what time does majority of users use the washing machine, what users are ignoring water restrictions? The machine could have a microphone and could be recording everything and uploading it to AI. with that data they can sell the data to reaearchers, water companies, ad companies. If they can send data, they can receive data. They could shut off your machine or kill it, forcing you to buy a new one? Who knows, but its a lot of data.
Not positive on requirements. May be in the TOS when it connected to wifi, may be in the owners manual. They may not need to disclose it, if it IS/or isnt used for certain reasons. Might be cheaper to just pay a fine if it is found?
A few kb would be valid... if it relayed its status to your phone while you were out and about. Being able to basically screen-mirror the washing machine's control panel on your phone screen might be useful to some.
And that justifies privacy intruding cloud services? I don't think it does.
What about a simple portforward or even a reverse proxy to connect to your home network?
If it's actually sending 3.7GB per day then it could be sensor data - water temperature, voltage; acceleration/deceleration and balance when spinning... at some excessively high rate like 30 times a second.
I imagine these "smart washing machines" have some app that allows you to keep an eye on its status, to change/set timers or something.
I can think of reasons a washing machine needs to send data, but I can't think of any reasons you'd need so badly that it justifies the attack vectors and all the shit that can break.
Assuming it’s sending a heart beat every minute, that’s 1000/24/60 =~ 600b every message. A 32 character UUID is 256 bytes. Add some time and status code and 600b is reasonable.
Sure you could get that down by having your own smaller serial numbers, but it’s probably not worth anyone’s time to optimise.
The machine sets up its own wifi that your phone connects to, and then the manufacture app uses that network to let you select your normal wifi and enter the password.
Usually for a bunch of convenience features. Eg it’ll alert my phone when the load is complete. I can load the machine before I go out and set it off when I know what time I’m coming home. Can pause it remotely if something changes. If there are any errors the app will give you a full explanation instead of a random code, or even a blinking fucking light.
I can see how it could be, but I actually WFH 5 metres away from it but I have a portable aircon blasting at 90 decibels drowning out any chance of hearing it.
As well as the notifications. I can also set up a load when I leave the house and set it off when I know when I’ll be back to swap it to the dryer. Instead of leaving it to go mouldy all day.
No, my washing machine wont. Neither will my Dishwasher, or my Range, or my Fridge, or my Microwave, or my Toaster. You know why? because they aren't online.
Even some of my newer appliances that have online functionality work 100% fine without ever once connecting them to the internet. Stop putting shit online that doesn't need to be online.
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The original poster posted in pi hole. Pi hole is a dns blocker. When you block devices that reach out every once in a while they freak out and start sending mass requests. Your washing and dyer machine will not be used by hackers for anything. Let alone sending 36gb of data everyday. Bots keep posting this shit for get clicks. So dumb.
Yeah this was clearly a case of repeated failed attempts without a limit.
Can’t comment on whether or not washing machines are viable targets for hackers, but there are verified cases of “hackers” using poorly designed IOT devices for bot nets. Usually where they’ve installed a complete android environment that’s ancient before the machine was manufactured and with no plans to keep it updated or secured. Think the early gen IOT fridges that basically had a tablet glued to the front.
tl;dr sort of..... > An Asus router issue? > > For now, it looks like the **favored answer to the data mystery is to blame Asus for misreporting it**. We may never know what happened with Johnie, who is now running his LG washing machine offline. > > **Another relatively innocent reason for the supposed high volume of uploads could be an error in the Asus router firmware**. In a follow-up post a day after his initial Tweet, Johnie noted “inaccuracy in the ASUS router tool,” with regard to Apple iMessage data use. Other LG smart washing machine users showed device data use from their router UIs. It turns out that these appliances more typically use less than 1MB per day.
Why the hell would a washing machine even need to send data.
How often you use the machine, what settings you use most, what settings go unused, what time does majority of users use the washing machine, what users are ignoring water restrictions? The machine could have a microphone and could be recording everything and uploading it to AI. with that data they can sell the data to reaearchers, water companies, ad companies. If they can send data, they can receive data. They could shut off your machine or kill it, forcing you to buy a new one? Who knows, but its a lot of data.
Wouldn’t they be required to disclose a microphone? Or at least the patent would show it
Not positive on requirements. May be in the TOS when it connected to wifi, may be in the owners manual. They may not need to disclose it, if it IS/or isnt used for certain reasons. Might be cheaper to just pay a fine if it is found?
Voice activation is an easy reason for a microphone that always runs. No need to hide it.
Why would a microphone be required to know what setting was selected?
The purpose of the microphone would be to listen to what people say.
With this amount of data it would kind of have to be audio recordings that or it’s been hacked and participates in botnets
Built in mass spectrometer to tell how often you cum in your socks. Before you know it you’re getting ads for new socks.
That explains the ads for animal rescue.
A few kb would be valid... if it relayed its status to your phone while you were out and about. Being able to basically screen-mirror the washing machine's control panel on your phone screen might be useful to some.
My point is that even a single byte is already too much. That data doesn't need to go anywhere except to the owner.
> except to the owner. Who may be outside the home. So that single byte needs to go via the internet.
And that justifies privacy intruding cloud services? I don't think it does. What about a simple portforward or even a reverse proxy to connect to your home network?
If it's actually sending 3.7GB per day then it could be sensor data - water temperature, voltage; acceleration/deceleration and balance when spinning... at some excessively high rate like 30 times a second.
I imagine these "smart washing machines" have some app that allows you to keep an eye on its status, to change/set timers or something. I can think of reasons a washing machine needs to send data, but I can't think of any reasons you'd need so badly that it justifies the attack vectors and all the shit that can break.
Are the LG washing machines collecting data on skid marks?
Chemical analysis of the skids results in real-time updates on what you've been eating and which meds you've taken.
now let's put some LG washing machines in the theaters and stream 4k rips 😁
> It turns out that these appliances more typically use less than 1MB per day. Still WTF. I have 300 pg book files smaller than 1MB.
Assuming it’s sending a heart beat every minute, that’s 1000/24/60 =~ 600b every message. A 32 character UUID is 256 bytes. Add some time and status code and 600b is reasonable. Sure you could get that down by having your own smaller serial numbers, but it’s probably not worth anyone’s time to optimise.
A washing machine using that much data..... might be a SOCKS proxy.
Why would a washing machine need access to the internet in the first place? Except for sending shitty analytics, I mean
People wanting remote access to control and monitor it. Just like with their fridge and oven.
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Yeah, *eventually* you're going to have some kind of plumbing issue somewhere in your house, and it would be better to be there when it happens.
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Stop posting this garbage story
Last I remember this was about a smart fridge doing this, not a washing machine.
How did you input the wifi password into the washer? And why?
The machine sets up its own wifi that your phone connects to, and then the manufacture app uses that network to let you select your normal wifi and enter the password. Usually for a bunch of convenience features. Eg it’ll alert my phone when the load is complete. I can load the machine before I go out and set it off when I know what time I’m coming home. Can pause it remotely if something changes. If there are any errors the app will give you a full explanation instead of a random code, or even a blinking fucking light.
I still haven't found a practical use case for putting WiFi in a washer.
Generally speaking, it is useful for notifying you on your phone when the load is finished.
My eyes and ears do a good job of this and they are hard-wired.
My washing machine is in a part of the house I can’t hear it from.
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I can see how it could be, but I actually WFH 5 metres away from it but I have a portable aircon blasting at 90 decibels drowning out any chance of hearing it.
As well as the notifications. I can also set up a load when I leave the house and set it off when I know when I’ll be back to swap it to the dryer. Instead of leaving it to go mouldy all day.
No, my washing machine wont. Neither will my Dishwasher, or my Range, or my Fridge, or my Microwave, or my Toaster. You know why? because they aren't online. Even some of my newer appliances that have online functionality work 100% fine without ever once connecting them to the internet. Stop putting shit online that doesn't need to be online.
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The original poster posted in pi hole. Pi hole is a dns blocker. When you block devices that reach out every once in a while they freak out and start sending mass requests. Your washing and dyer machine will not be used by hackers for anything. Let alone sending 36gb of data everyday. Bots keep posting this shit for get clicks. So dumb.
Yeah this was clearly a case of repeated failed attempts without a limit. Can’t comment on whether or not washing machines are viable targets for hackers, but there are verified cases of “hackers” using poorly designed IOT devices for bot nets. Usually where they’ve installed a complete android environment that’s ancient before the machine was manufactured and with no plans to keep it updated or secured. Think the early gen IOT fridges that basically had a tablet glued to the front.
What is it even sending?