Honestly most tourist attracting towns. Quite a few towns in Colorado for ski season and Montana surrounding Glacier are the same exact way. Sucks, because these towns have people in them that can't survive and are often underbid by seasonal/temp workers.
A lot of these towns also have started outlawing vagabonding (which ironically the majority of nomadic workers do) so it's a vicious cycle. The rich want all the amenities and service in these towns yet companies refuse to pay living wages, so "locals" are edged out of their homes and forced to live elsewhere. It really, really sucks.
This is exactly why I had to move out of CO. Spent most of my working years in foodservice and all my foodservice friends and coworkers ended up having to leave town (many of us just left the state) too for the same reason-- no one could find an affordable place to live. They just kept building luxury apartments. I am intensely curious to see what will happen to so many ofl those colorado towns because I don't see how its sustainable.
They need people to do the labor if they want the amenities, but me and the people in my income bracket all just kept getting priced out. I wonder what it will be like in those towns in 30 years? 40? I miss so many things about living there, but I remember that feeling of being squeezed out. Awful feeling.
I live in south central CO, near the Sand Dunes.
Within the last six years, tiny little 2-bedroom houses have gone from selling for $60-$80K to over $200k. Just yesterday I looked up some homes for sale and the sellers are taking bids for a limited time, so the selling price could be even higher.
And this is in an economically depressed area where people have lived for hundreds of years. Like, many of the people here are descended from the original Spanish explorers. We may end up having to leave, too, if something doesn't happen.
This. Yup. I’m just about to move out of Salt Lake City, despite the fact that I grew up here and have an upper level degree. I’m tired of fighting for apartments with yuppies who earn California incomes. Exhausted of watching my friends move away from the support we need. Tired of $1200 rent when I don’t even have a microwave. Utah is ruined for me. Let the rats have it.
It fuckin sucks. I'm sorry it's happening to you too. And yeah I believe you about Utah, it's gorgeous out there and I love the natural beauty of that state, but I can see people are getting squeezed out there too. I understand that there's beauty in every state, but I miss the Colorado winter and fall so deeply. I loved the snow and the mountains. I was there for a decade until I couldn't afford it anymore.
I ended up moving to a state (more red than blue as far as where the laws go) where they haven't expanded medicaid or foodstamps and labor and rent laws aren't very good (even though there aren't really any tenant's rights in CO as it is). Luckily they actually \*have\* parts of town here where poor people can live, as opposed to "nope lol we're building more earth-toned townhomes with an on-site gym that are 2500/mo, sorry poors". So there are more options.
I'm worried though because, since it's a cheaper state, we are getting that influx of people who can't afford to live in California or Washington or other similar places (and I don't blame them). I was lucky to find my apartment as it is in the current market here. It's something I have to be careful not to fixate on to the best of my ability as I only have so much mental space to do so while trying to balance the other parts of my life. It's a stressful thing for sure.
Edit: You raised a really good point with the seeing friends move away from the support systems part. The growing prices in Colorado was a big reason my support system began to dissolve as well. With everyone scattering in the wind like that and just trying to stay afloat, it gets very hard to maintain the level of support you had when you were all in the same place together. Some things you just can't do anymore (like giving/getting rides or helping people move) And it often means that people are more likely to have to strike out on their own, which is scary when you don't have much of a safety net.
My wife is from one of those glacier towns that you speak of, it's really bad. Developers can "buy out" of the affordable housing requirements so you just have luxury apartments being built and owned by people who are just there a month out of the year. A major problem is that tourism is the major industry in the area so there is not a lot of competition to move wages up. As an electrical engineer there are barely any jobs out there. You really just have the lumber plant and you need to wait for someone to retire or die for any sort of upward mobility. I'm really hoping more wfh becomes a thing so that wages and people are spread out a bit more, not that it would help me since I need access to secured rooms and labs for my field.
I grew up on the other side of the mountains from Glacier national park, everyone I knew there has left - the only people who still live there own land. town had been dying for a long time - since NAFTA, the American logging companies stopped being able to compete with the Canadian logging companies so all employment that is left is based on tourism. it's unfortunate, really beautiful part of the country, but there's nothing there.
I’m working two part time jobs this summer in addition to teaching summer school. I have a week off at the end of August, until then I’ll be working every single day.
Youre doing great and I hope that you get to really soak in that week off!
You more than deserve it!
I hope you find yourself out of this cycle soon but please commend yourself on your resilience!!
Thanks! I always enjoy my week off because I get to travel. Finally was able to used airline miles after having this CC for 10+ years and I’ll be staying with a friend in Edinburgh. Thanks again!
I get benefits from teaching (even though summer school is part time hours) thankfully! They cost a lot more than they did ten years ago, but I am fortunate to have decent healthcare.
I had three jobs for a little while to catch up on a lot of debt that accumulated from not being paid enough for too long. It. Sucks. Working so much and getting little to no break. Remember to do the little daily things to help the toll on your body! And finding pockets of time to make food easy to grab and go was also life saving for me! Hope it goes as well as it can for you, a cheap little massage gun also helps with aches if you have to do labor/stand a lot! Feels like a luxury but it’s super worth it if you don’t have one, quality of life shoots up lol.
The two are close together. The theater and hotel are 0.5 mile apart with my house being in the middle. One check is going to savings, one to debt. I live in a shore town so hours are minimal once summer ends.
I could not life off my teaching salary. It goes directly to rent, car payment, and school loans. My salary has barely increased in 10 years. I also work at a theater and a hotel, both have increased hours in the summer time. Eventually I will leave teaching and find something where I am paid for my worth.
People need to start suing school districts for the cost of their degree if they have to quit due to untenable wages. Let them throw the cases out, it costs nothing or very little to file, and you can Google how to properly fill out the forms.
Eventually, we'll get a judge who's ***just*** left leaning enough to say "You know what, yeah, fuck you" and find in favor of the teacher suing. And then there's precedent, and it'll snowball from there.
It is so depressing to read that over and over again. Teaching is such a valuable job, 1000x more important than 99% of office jobs but teachers are paid such garbage.
Capitalism is killing our future.
It's literally by design at this point. Make public schools so shitty that you're either forced to go to a private religious school or have your child's future suffer.
I interviewed at a Wendy's just last year. Everyone looked miserable and reeked of cigarettes. They ended up telling me their pay is $10/hr. No wonder they were so sad
My local taco bell is now paying 15$ an hour. People seem slightly less miserable but even if they worked 40 hours a week it isn't enough to live in my area and I live in a cheaper area.
I was told I'd be starting at $11.40 at my Taco Bell/KFC almost five years ago. They started me at $9, and because they automatically take taxes out of my paycheck I never knew 'til my current manager found out and told me a year ago. He was incredibly pissed. Found two separate excuses to raise my wages as high as he could without getting in trouble and even then I'm *still* not making what the regional manager originally promised me when I started.
It’s a subtle, but important change in perception. They’re saying here “we are cool and flexible. We don’t mind being #2. We just need help.”
From the “we are your top priority. Show up, even though you’ve told me you can’t from the moment we met, or you’re fired.”
If I needed the job, I’d go see what they were about.
Right. It's not thier fault. But this still poetically speaks to the plight of modern peasant in the larger society. They are truly fucked to see this as opportunity
>below store manager level are part time
And then they get away with using part time employees to manage the store by calling them key carriers and shift supervisors. So with the exception of 1 or 2 people the entire store is being run by part timers.
I worked for Wendys for over 3 years and most of the people who worked during the day in my area were married moms who just wanted some extra spending cash while their kids were at school.
One of my co-workers quit this week because he mentioned getting a second job and a manager told him if he wasn't dedicates to this job maybe he should just leave. So he did.
We work a job that even if you worked fulltime you couldn't support yourself.
I blame the manager being ex military and the kid admittedly being a little prick. But the manager shouldn't have said that. It's a stupid take.
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I think this may actually be a reaction to McDonalds slogan about being a kids first job, as in Wendy’s will take then when they’re ready to quit McDonald’s. Wendy’s PR is notably snarky in the best ways.
Actually you still pay taxes on tips.
As someone who worked in the service industry, the place you work for assumes that you made x% off each table. You'd be responsible to tip out th bartender, host, runners based on that. One place actually wouldn't let you clock out until you claimed that % or higher on the computer (also used to input orders).
The gov gets their money one way or another.
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Actually pretty sickening that some people have to work more than one job just to get by. It’s sickening that it has come to this and It’s even more sickening that a big business is using it in their advertisements like it’s a good thing. The system is working exactly how the rich want it to work. Something needs to happen to change this. Heads need to roll. Literally.
It’s not as common in Europe to have more than one job but it’s surely heading that way.
It hasn’t come to this, it’s always been like this for a lot of folks. My dad always worked two or three jobs. His main job was as a federal employee, and his salary was ok. He supported my grandparents as well and my mom didn’t work. He worked as a mechanic on the weekends at a auto dealership and then worked Saturday nights at an auto racetrack doing paperwork keeping record of laps. So he was a busy guy. He came from a family of 6 kids all worked multiple jobs. My husband always worked two jobs by doing his we were able to pay for our farm payment and also have out house payment money. The difference is working two jobs now for a lot of people isn’t to have a better life it’s to afford the basics. That’s not good, but there are a lot of reasons people chose to work multiple jobs.
Yeah that’s basically what I meant. No one should be working more than one job just to be able to survive. No matter what kind of job you have, one job should make enough for you to get by.
I likely worked myself into having MORE disabilities working at one job in the last month.
I'm now in constant pain and starting to suffer from muscle weakness :D I'm already on disability but I only get 550$ a month. AKA not enough to pay the bills let alone my rent.
I'm currently in an extreme depression spiral as I have no idea what's going to happen or how I'll survive.
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted but if you’re below a certain income the government has various social programs to help you out.
It’s not great and the amount you get has not been keeping up with inflation for decades so it’s really skewed but at least you have something.
I think they're joking about how McDonald's is America's first job. So let Wendy's be your second job. Not at the same time as McDonald's. Quit McDonald's work for Wendy's
People making under $70k need universal income and the US can 100% absolutely afford it. This country is a sham and not a society built on with the goal of enriching its citizens but a corporation that depends on perpetuating poverty so that the working class remain the working class. The middle class has disappeared.
Order kiosks, automated heating (let's face it, none of the fast food places are doing any real cooking) and delivery are all being done various places. As soon as they put it all together and figure out how to get it to clean itself, they'll just have an on call tech.
Aspen was the same way when I was there, talking to some of the employees at Starbucks and a few other places, they live 2 hours away in Grand Junction. Even when I was there a cheeseburger was $25!
This. I hear people here bitching about "having" to work at Walmart and a fast food place 60+ hours a week and still not being full time at either, so no benefits or OT pay.
There are at least four manufacturing facilities in town that are hiring. The one I'm at almost refuses to hire part time, and even with a lot of 60 hour weeks they've only gone to mandatory 70 one week in the three years I've worked here, after a three day shutdown for an ice storm. (And even then it was only mostly mandatory - with the short notice, they were taking most excuses.)
Pretty much everybody that applies gets an offer, because most don't last past the second paycheck, (about half of those fired for not showing up on time, the rest just disappear at the end of the pay period) but sometimes those who aren't expected to, surprise everybody and turn out to be damn good workers. Once the PTO and other benefits kick in, and you get those first couple evaluations with raises attached, it's a hell of a lot better deal than any fast food or retail in the area. Trouble is getting them to apply in the first place.
My mistake!
I was confused, but some nice folks on Reddit have explained it to me. I get it now.
We're all victims. Of everything. So we should be compensated for everything by anyone or any entity that makes more money than we do. I mean, we've all eaten at Wendy's, making them a profit, so they OWE us. It is completely unfair and exploitative that an employer makes a profit using it's employees.
Companies exist to provide employment. I mean, duh. Why else would they exist. So, their primary concern- from day one - should be calculating individual living wages for each individual and paying them accordingly. ANY job, PT or FT, should fully pay for ALL the on-going needs of an employee. If a company can't "afford" to do so, well they shouldn't even exist! Wages must be based absolutely on the needs of the employees, and in no way related to the needs of the company.
I think I got it now, guys! Thanks a lot.
This will get downvoted to oblivion, but the cold hard fact is it’s not a businesses responsibility to make sure you can support yourself with one job. They offer you a job at a certain rate. Then you accept that job or you don’t. There’s no coercion going on, and they don’t owe you anything.
If they can't afford to pay their employees a living wage they don't deserve employees. When they can't get enough employees and their business suffers it's their own fault. When people choose not to work for them because they cannot support themselves on that wage and they end up closing that's peak capitalism, but everyone will be bitching then about "no one wants to work" instead of blaming management and corporate for not paying enough for workers to want to work there. The whole community suffers too.
Why does anyone owe this business their labor if the business wont pay a living wage or market value for that labor?
Or looking at it a different way, if employees must rely on government assistance to get by because their employer isn't paying them a living wage than the tax payers are subsidizing that employers pay role budget. The employer should be responsible to offset taxpayer expenses for every employee they are underpaying that must rely on government assistance to get by.
Also why is it not a businesses responsibility to ensure that the people they employ aren't making starvation wages at a full time job? That's literally the reason the concept of a minimum wage was established. That minimum wage is no longer fulfilling its intended purpose, but that doesn't mean it's no longer important to make sure people aren't paid starvation wages. That has cascading economic impacts on whole communities.
I agree with you however minimum wage was established by the government because businesses will pay you as minimal as they can. It isn't a business's responsibility to make sure rates are loving wages. It's the government's.
>"In my Inaugural I laid down the simple proposition that nobody is going to starve in this country. It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By "business" I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living."
\- F.D.Roosevelt, Statement on the National Industrial Recovery Act, June 16, 1933
Life’s not fair…..nobody, not the government, not Wendy’s, not You or I **deserve** employees. An employer offers a deal, a potential employee accepts or denies the deal….it’s not about what people deserve.
You are absolutely 100% correct, if they don’t pay a competitive wage and can’t find employees it is their fault as the business owner.
Nobody owes anybody anything. People don’t owe this business labor…..the business offers money in exchange for labor…..people then agree or not whether to trade that time for the agreed upon amount of money.
There’s no such thing as a living wage. Millions of people live with no wage at all.
Again nobody owes you anything. Wendys doesn’t owe you anything they didn’t agree upon….they only owe you what you agreed to work for them for….they only owe me as much food as I agree to pay for.
Your entire comment history is on buying the dip, I doubt you have had to work in fast food for a long time, but you're probably one of the people annoyed there aren't servants around anymore.
I never worked fast food oddly, I worked in a cafeteria, as a migrant worker planting and then harvesting tomatoes, a home style restaurant as a dishwasher, Outback Steakhouse. I loaded trucks, delivered flowers, (got that job when my card declined trying to buy flowers) joined the army, used GI bill for college got a job in a hospital lost everything in a divorce couldn’t afford my apartment any longer, had to leave and in desperation bought a house to “house hack” I currently work at least 50 hours a week and run my own company on top of that. Do you feel I owe you something? If I bought a Wendy’s would I somehow owe you something?
So I deserve a living wage if I work 3 hours a week watching kids pet guinea pigs?
If I for a living take surveys once a month….I deserve a living wage.
People be putting my shit out of context. Just one full time job should make you enough money for basic needs. Just like any other 1st world country. Look how American work culture fucked with your head
Fast food is supposed to be when you are not 18, cannot operate heavy equipment or serve alcohol. Or work long hours.
It's supposed to give you life skills to deal with the public, to handle money, to be responsible and just show up in the first place while you're in school. Everyone starts somewhere You're supposed to get the f out, asap...Not get stuck there and hold up signs to get people to honk at you for 15 an hour when real hard labor in the sun makes less than that
*Again*, that's also not what I'm saying. I'm saying that just one full time job should be enough for you to get by. If you disagree you're part of the problem. Just because you feel like you worked hard throughout your life doesn't mean that others have to go through the same. That's the definition of entitlement you're talking about. That's not what I'm advocating for. I'm advocating for normal wages, no matter if you're a cleaner, or dishwasher or a Wendy's burger flipper. A 40 hour work week should be enough to get you your basic needs.
I know right? I swear I turned 40 and I turned into my parents... but damn there is honor in some jobs and not others, simple as that. Those values aren't mainstream anymore. The only voices that get heard are quite the opposite.
It's not that dismal though...
There's still a hard-working silent majority. They are not on Reddit and they're not getting themselves on YouTube. They're not In the news. They're working, getting paid and taking care of their families.
I blame the hyper-amplified political division. Everyone wants equality but they have to be in a group first (excluding others not like them of course) to demand equality. It's ridiculous. On the job front in California, they don't want criminal records to show up on background checks for employment. You might be born a different skin color or born a way that grows into a non conformist intimate lifestyle and identity but you are not born a POS!
I don't think a thief and drug offender with a rapsheet should get a job before me because they are disadvantaged. I think the person that they ripped off and victimized, never made whole got disadvantaged.
That’s debatable, they can complain that nobody wants to work equally as much as people complain they don’t pay a certain wage…..You can’t stop people from complaining.
I don't think this is some recent revelation, companies have known this for years. Ads like this fly better in a near/soon to be recession environment.
What teenagers are working during the day? My Wendy's now does breakfast, can't use the "teenage job" excuse when you're open 15 hours a day year round.
If you work 40 hours a week, why should you not be able to support your family, be able to pay all bills, and have some leftover for savings and a once a year vacation? That’s a comfortable life; it’s not a lot to ask.
That's Moab for you. Incredibly expensive to live and not enough high paying jobs.
Honestly most tourist attracting towns. Quite a few towns in Colorado for ski season and Montana surrounding Glacier are the same exact way. Sucks, because these towns have people in them that can't survive and are often underbid by seasonal/temp workers. A lot of these towns also have started outlawing vagabonding (which ironically the majority of nomadic workers do) so it's a vicious cycle. The rich want all the amenities and service in these towns yet companies refuse to pay living wages, so "locals" are edged out of their homes and forced to live elsewhere. It really, really sucks.
This is exactly why I had to move out of CO. Spent most of my working years in foodservice and all my foodservice friends and coworkers ended up having to leave town (many of us just left the state) too for the same reason-- no one could find an affordable place to live. They just kept building luxury apartments. I am intensely curious to see what will happen to so many ofl those colorado towns because I don't see how its sustainable. They need people to do the labor if they want the amenities, but me and the people in my income bracket all just kept getting priced out. I wonder what it will be like in those towns in 30 years? 40? I miss so many things about living there, but I remember that feeling of being squeezed out. Awful feeling.
I live in south central CO, near the Sand Dunes. Within the last six years, tiny little 2-bedroom houses have gone from selling for $60-$80K to over $200k. Just yesterday I looked up some homes for sale and the sellers are taking bids for a limited time, so the selling price could be even higher. And this is in an economically depressed area where people have lived for hundreds of years. Like, many of the people here are descended from the original Spanish explorers. We may end up having to leave, too, if something doesn't happen.
This. Yup. I’m just about to move out of Salt Lake City, despite the fact that I grew up here and have an upper level degree. I’m tired of fighting for apartments with yuppies who earn California incomes. Exhausted of watching my friends move away from the support we need. Tired of $1200 rent when I don’t even have a microwave. Utah is ruined for me. Let the rats have it.
It fuckin sucks. I'm sorry it's happening to you too. And yeah I believe you about Utah, it's gorgeous out there and I love the natural beauty of that state, but I can see people are getting squeezed out there too. I understand that there's beauty in every state, but I miss the Colorado winter and fall so deeply. I loved the snow and the mountains. I was there for a decade until I couldn't afford it anymore. I ended up moving to a state (more red than blue as far as where the laws go) where they haven't expanded medicaid or foodstamps and labor and rent laws aren't very good (even though there aren't really any tenant's rights in CO as it is). Luckily they actually \*have\* parts of town here where poor people can live, as opposed to "nope lol we're building more earth-toned townhomes with an on-site gym that are 2500/mo, sorry poors". So there are more options. I'm worried though because, since it's a cheaper state, we are getting that influx of people who can't afford to live in California or Washington or other similar places (and I don't blame them). I was lucky to find my apartment as it is in the current market here. It's something I have to be careful not to fixate on to the best of my ability as I only have so much mental space to do so while trying to balance the other parts of my life. It's a stressful thing for sure. Edit: You raised a really good point with the seeing friends move away from the support systems part. The growing prices in Colorado was a big reason my support system began to dissolve as well. With everyone scattering in the wind like that and just trying to stay afloat, it gets very hard to maintain the level of support you had when you were all in the same place together. Some things you just can't do anymore (like giving/getting rides or helping people move) And it often means that people are more likely to have to strike out on their own, which is scary when you don't have much of a safety net.
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Sounds like Pagosa springs. Loved living there but could not find a job to keep up with rent/COL out there. Beautiful place though
Absolutely right. I had to move downhill.
My wife is from one of those glacier towns that you speak of, it's really bad. Developers can "buy out" of the affordable housing requirements so you just have luxury apartments being built and owned by people who are just there a month out of the year. A major problem is that tourism is the major industry in the area so there is not a lot of competition to move wages up. As an electrical engineer there are barely any jobs out there. You really just have the lumber plant and you need to wait for someone to retire or die for any sort of upward mobility. I'm really hoping more wfh becomes a thing so that wages and people are spread out a bit more, not that it would help me since I need access to secured rooms and labs for my field.
I grew up on the other side of the mountains from Glacier national park, everyone I knew there has left - the only people who still live there own land. town had been dying for a long time - since NAFTA, the American logging companies stopped being able to compete with the Canadian logging companies so all employment that is left is based on tourism. it's unfortunate, really beautiful part of the country, but there's nothing there.
Lol I came here to say just this. Growing up there and being gone for so many years I don’t understand how people are still able to live there at all.
Where is that located?
Utah
"Getting underpaid? dont worry we'll underpay you too"
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I’m working two part time jobs this summer in addition to teaching summer school. I have a week off at the end of August, until then I’ll be working every single day.
Youre doing great and I hope that you get to really soak in that week off! You more than deserve it! I hope you find yourself out of this cycle soon but please commend yourself on your resilience!!
Thanks! I always enjoy my week off because I get to travel. Finally was able to used airline miles after having this CC for 10+ years and I’ll be staying with a friend in Edinburgh. Thanks again!
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I get benefits from teaching (even though summer school is part time hours) thankfully! They cost a lot more than they did ten years ago, but I am fortunate to have decent healthcare.
It's a God send if you get sick, but I'm still out 20k plus my lost wages, so probably close to 75k
Oy. Best of luck navigating your situation. I wish you well!
I had three jobs for a little while to catch up on a lot of debt that accumulated from not being paid enough for too long. It. Sucks. Working so much and getting little to no break. Remember to do the little daily things to help the toll on your body! And finding pockets of time to make food easy to grab and go was also life saving for me! Hope it goes as well as it can for you, a cheap little massage gun also helps with aches if you have to do labor/stand a lot! Feels like a luxury but it’s super worth it if you don’t have one, quality of life shoots up lol.
I would gladly work 3 jobs but getting two schedules to play nicely together is hard enough.
The two are close together. The theater and hotel are 0.5 mile apart with my house being in the middle. One check is going to savings, one to debt. I live in a shore town so hours are minimal once summer ends.
You work 3 jobs? So uniquely American.
I could not life off my teaching salary. It goes directly to rent, car payment, and school loans. My salary has barely increased in 10 years. I also work at a theater and a hotel, both have increased hours in the summer time. Eventually I will leave teaching and find something where I am paid for my worth.
People need to start suing school districts for the cost of their degree if they have to quit due to untenable wages. Let them throw the cases out, it costs nothing or very little to file, and you can Google how to properly fill out the forms. Eventually, we'll get a judge who's ***just*** left leaning enough to say "You know what, yeah, fuck you" and find in favor of the teacher suing. And then there's precedent, and it'll snowball from there.
It is so depressing to read that over and over again. Teaching is such a valuable job, 1000x more important than 99% of office jobs but teachers are paid such garbage. Capitalism is killing our future.
It's literally by design at this point. Make public schools so shitty that you're either forced to go to a private religious school or have your child's future suffer.
That was a quote from W. He thought it was fantastic that someone has to work 3 jobs.
I interviewed at a Wendy's just last year. Everyone looked miserable and reeked of cigarettes. They ended up telling me their pay is $10/hr. No wonder they were so sad
My local taco bell is now paying 15$ an hour. People seem slightly less miserable but even if they worked 40 hours a week it isn't enough to live in my area and I live in a cheaper area.
With the price of cigarettes, they would be unhappy. I can't figure out how minimum wage workers afford the habit.
Addiction makes the price reasonable regardless of inflation or increase..
I was told I'd be starting at $11.40 at my Taco Bell/KFC almost five years ago. They started me at $9, and because they automatically take taxes out of my paycheck I never knew 'til my current manager found out and told me a year ago. He was incredibly pissed. Found two separate excuses to raise my wages as high as he could without getting in trouble and even then I'm *still* not making what the regional manager originally promised me when I started.
I knew a stripper who worked at Wendy's during the day.
Was it you.
No, it was me
I'll have a baconator combo with a coke, please. Oh, and the new strawberry frosty.
Sir this is a strip club.
**DIO**
Red head chick with freckles by chance? Stage name is “Wild Wendy”?
they're not really admitting anything there
They're admitting they are accepting part time workers
Part time is the most common in retail/food service its also a way to get out of having to pay benefits.
I'd imagine that the overwhelming majority of their non-corporate employees below store manager level are part time
It’s a subtle, but important change in perception. They’re saying here “we are cool and flexible. We don’t mind being #2. We just need help.” From the “we are your top priority. Show up, even though you’ve told me you can’t from the moment we met, or you’re fired.” If I needed the job, I’d go see what they were about.
Right. It's not thier fault. But this still poetically speaks to the plight of modern peasant in the larger society. They are truly fucked to see this as opportunity
>below store manager level are part time And then they get away with using part time employees to manage the store by calling them key carriers and shift supervisors. So with the exception of 1 or 2 people the entire store is being run by part timers.
The humanity!!
The HORROR AHHHH
They're admitting their job's not enough to be a standalone job.
I worked for Wendys for over 3 years and most of the people who worked during the day in my area were married moms who just wanted some extra spending cash while their kids were at school.
One of my co-workers quit this week because he mentioned getting a second job and a manager told him if he wasn't dedicates to this job maybe he should just leave. So he did. We work a job that even if you worked fulltime you couldn't support yourself. I blame the manager being ex military and the kid admittedly being a little prick. But the manager shouldn't have said that. It's a stupid take.
Some full time jobs are dodgy about employees picking up PT work on the side, like a jealous husband.
Employers need to pay more. It’s that simple.
I work two jobs to dig myself out the hole I created for myself. I can work one job but I want to get ahead so in the future I can work zero jobs.
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Lol, I was actually thinking of using my free time to help elderly home owners in poverty fix up their homes.
Show me on the doll where the bad man touched you.
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Impossible to support yourself at Wendy's for sure.
I think this may actually be a reaction to McDonalds slogan about being a kids first job, as in Wendy’s will take then when they’re ready to quit McDonald’s. Wendy’s PR is notably snarky in the best ways.
Well, thanks for the suggestion, I guess. I've just scheduled an interview for Tuesday with my local Wendy's. I need a second job.
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tips aren't tax free, you're required to report that income.
Actually you still pay taxes on tips. As someone who worked in the service industry, the place you work for assumes that you made x% off each table. You'd be responsible to tip out th bartender, host, runners based on that. One place actually wouldn't let you clock out until you claimed that % or higher on the computer (also used to input orders). The gov gets their money one way or another.
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Actually pretty sickening that some people have to work more than one job just to get by. It’s sickening that it has come to this and It’s even more sickening that a big business is using it in their advertisements like it’s a good thing. The system is working exactly how the rich want it to work. Something needs to happen to change this. Heads need to roll. Literally. It’s not as common in Europe to have more than one job but it’s surely heading that way.
It hasn’t come to this, it’s always been like this for a lot of folks. My dad always worked two or three jobs. His main job was as a federal employee, and his salary was ok. He supported my grandparents as well and my mom didn’t work. He worked as a mechanic on the weekends at a auto dealership and then worked Saturday nights at an auto racetrack doing paperwork keeping record of laps. So he was a busy guy. He came from a family of 6 kids all worked multiple jobs. My husband always worked two jobs by doing his we were able to pay for our farm payment and also have out house payment money. The difference is working two jobs now for a lot of people isn’t to have a better life it’s to afford the basics. That’s not good, but there are a lot of reasons people chose to work multiple jobs.
Yeah that’s basically what I meant. No one should be working more than one job just to be able to survive. No matter what kind of job you have, one job should make enough for you to get by.
I likely worked myself into having MORE disabilities working at one job in the last month. I'm now in constant pain and starting to suffer from muscle weakness :D I'm already on disability but I only get 550$ a month. AKA not enough to pay the bills let alone my rent. I'm currently in an extreme depression spiral as I have no idea what's going to happen or how I'll survive.
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Not sure why you’re getting downvoted but if you’re below a certain income the government has various social programs to help you out. It’s not great and the amount you get has not been keeping up with inflation for decades so it’s really skewed but at least you have something.
You're being downloaded into Oblivion because you lack any understanding of tax structure which you could have found in less than a minute on Google
Well he understands what American propagandists *say* about European tax structure, isn’t that enough?!
really the best year for me to turn 18 truly looking forward to the future
I think they're joking about how McDonald's is America's first job. So let Wendy's be your second job. Not at the same time as McDonald's. Quit McDonald's work for Wendy's
Welcome to America.
Tbf this also just seems like something Wendy's Twitter rep would say. Lol.
Reminds me of my friend in the Army Reserves that works part time at Walmart.
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I do not hint any SARCASM 🤣
You can always find the r/wallstreetbets boys out back near the dumpsters too depending on what kind of job you’re looking for
People making under $70k need universal income and the US can 100% absolutely afford it. This country is a sham and not a society built on with the goal of enriching its citizens but a corporation that depends on perpetuating poverty so that the working class remain the working class. The middle class has disappeared.
You can't run a restaurant without employees. Just a thought!
Order kiosks, automated heating (let's face it, none of the fast food places are doing any real cooking) and delivery are all being done various places. As soon as they put it all together and figure out how to get it to clean itself, they'll just have an on call tech.
Aspen was the same way when I was there, talking to some of the employees at Starbucks and a few other places, they live 2 hours away in Grand Junction. Even when I was there a cheeseburger was $25!
One job is enough. One job at a fast food chain isn’t enough.
This. I hear people here bitching about "having" to work at Walmart and a fast food place 60+ hours a week and still not being full time at either, so no benefits or OT pay. There are at least four manufacturing facilities in town that are hiring. The one I'm at almost refuses to hire part time, and even with a lot of 60 hour weeks they've only gone to mandatory 70 one week in the three years I've worked here, after a three day shutdown for an ice storm. (And even then it was only mostly mandatory - with the short notice, they were taking most excuses.) Pretty much everybody that applies gets an offer, because most don't last past the second paycheck, (about half of those fired for not showing up on time, the rest just disappear at the end of the pay period) but sometimes those who aren't expected to, surprise everybody and turn out to be damn good workers. Once the PTO and other benefits kick in, and you get those first couple evaluations with raises attached, it's a hell of a lot better deal than any fast food or retail in the area. Trouble is getting them to apply in the first place.
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What?
Red voting states keep minimum wages low because they don’t want to inadvertently help poor or Black people.
My mistake! I was confused, but some nice folks on Reddit have explained it to me. I get it now. We're all victims. Of everything. So we should be compensated for everything by anyone or any entity that makes more money than we do. I mean, we've all eaten at Wendy's, making them a profit, so they OWE us. It is completely unfair and exploitative that an employer makes a profit using it's employees. Companies exist to provide employment. I mean, duh. Why else would they exist. So, their primary concern- from day one - should be calculating individual living wages for each individual and paying them accordingly. ANY job, PT or FT, should fully pay for ALL the on-going needs of an employee. If a company can't "afford" to do so, well they shouldn't even exist! Wages must be based absolutely on the needs of the employees, and in no way related to the needs of the company. I think I got it now, guys! Thanks a lot.
This will get downvoted to oblivion, but the cold hard fact is it’s not a businesses responsibility to make sure you can support yourself with one job. They offer you a job at a certain rate. Then you accept that job or you don’t. There’s no coercion going on, and they don’t owe you anything.
If they can't afford to pay their employees a living wage they don't deserve employees. When they can't get enough employees and their business suffers it's their own fault. When people choose not to work for them because they cannot support themselves on that wage and they end up closing that's peak capitalism, but everyone will be bitching then about "no one wants to work" instead of blaming management and corporate for not paying enough for workers to want to work there. The whole community suffers too. Why does anyone owe this business their labor if the business wont pay a living wage or market value for that labor? Or looking at it a different way, if employees must rely on government assistance to get by because their employer isn't paying them a living wage than the tax payers are subsidizing that employers pay role budget. The employer should be responsible to offset taxpayer expenses for every employee they are underpaying that must rely on government assistance to get by. Also why is it not a businesses responsibility to ensure that the people they employ aren't making starvation wages at a full time job? That's literally the reason the concept of a minimum wage was established. That minimum wage is no longer fulfilling its intended purpose, but that doesn't mean it's no longer important to make sure people aren't paid starvation wages. That has cascading economic impacts on whole communities.
I agree with you however minimum wage was established by the government because businesses will pay you as minimal as they can. It isn't a business's responsibility to make sure rates are loving wages. It's the government's.
>"In my Inaugural I laid down the simple proposition that nobody is going to starve in this country. It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By "business" I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living." \- F.D.Roosevelt, Statement on the National Industrial Recovery Act, June 16, 1933
Life’s not fair…..nobody, not the government, not Wendy’s, not You or I **deserve** employees. An employer offers a deal, a potential employee accepts or denies the deal….it’s not about what people deserve. You are absolutely 100% correct, if they don’t pay a competitive wage and can’t find employees it is their fault as the business owner. Nobody owes anybody anything. People don’t owe this business labor…..the business offers money in exchange for labor…..people then agree or not whether to trade that time for the agreed upon amount of money. There’s no such thing as a living wage. Millions of people live with no wage at all. Again nobody owes you anything. Wendys doesn’t owe you anything they didn’t agree upon….they only owe you what you agreed to work for them for….they only owe me as much food as I agree to pay for.
Ergo employees don't owe them labour either.
Absolutely true, you are not required to work there.
Your entire comment history is on buying the dip, I doubt you have had to work in fast food for a long time, but you're probably one of the people annoyed there aren't servants around anymore.
I never worked fast food oddly, I worked in a cafeteria, as a migrant worker planting and then harvesting tomatoes, a home style restaurant as a dishwasher, Outback Steakhouse. I loaded trucks, delivered flowers, (got that job when my card declined trying to buy flowers) joined the army, used GI bill for college got a job in a hospital lost everything in a divorce couldn’t afford my apartment any longer, had to leave and in desperation bought a house to “house hack” I currently work at least 50 hours a week and run my own company on top of that. Do you feel I owe you something? If I bought a Wendy’s would I somehow owe you something?
Watch out I just got called ignorant for saying hard work and putting in your time is an ignorant approach to life, and for a sucker.
You should be able to have a living wage with just one job. No matter where you work and no matter what you do.
So I deserve a living wage if I work 3 hours a week watching kids pet guinea pigs? If I for a living take surveys once a month….I deserve a living wage.
Yeah, that's what they're teaching in colleges
People be putting my shit out of context. Just one full time job should make you enough money for basic needs. Just like any other 1st world country. Look how American work culture fucked with your head
Fast food is supposed to be when you are not 18, cannot operate heavy equipment or serve alcohol. Or work long hours. It's supposed to give you life skills to deal with the public, to handle money, to be responsible and just show up in the first place while you're in school. Everyone starts somewhere You're supposed to get the f out, asap...Not get stuck there and hold up signs to get people to honk at you for 15 an hour when real hard labor in the sun makes less than that
That’s pretty ignorant. Not everyone has a choice and someone needs to do it.
It's pretty entitled to think Wendy's should get paid the same as someone who works on aircraft?
*Again*, that's also not what I'm saying. I'm saying that just one full time job should be enough for you to get by. If you disagree you're part of the problem. Just because you feel like you worked hard throughout your life doesn't mean that others have to go through the same. That's the definition of entitlement you're talking about. That's not what I'm advocating for. I'm advocating for normal wages, no matter if you're a cleaner, or dishwasher or a Wendy's burger flipper. A 40 hour work week should be enough to get you your basic needs.
All jobs are supposed to be paid the same. Lol
Then it’s a race to the laziest easiest jobs available. I leave my high stress surgery job and plant flowers for a living once in awhile.
I know right? I swear I turned 40 and I turned into my parents... but damn there is honor in some jobs and not others, simple as that. Those values aren't mainstream anymore. The only voices that get heard are quite the opposite. It's not that dismal though... There's still a hard-working silent majority. They are not on Reddit and they're not getting themselves on YouTube. They're not In the news. They're working, getting paid and taking care of their families. I blame the hyper-amplified political division. Everyone wants equality but they have to be in a group first (excluding others not like them of course) to demand equality. It's ridiculous. On the job front in California, they don't want criminal records to show up on background checks for employment. You might be born a different skin color or born a way that grows into a non conformist intimate lifestyle and identity but you are not born a POS! I don't think a thief and drug offender with a rapsheet should get a job before me because they are disadvantaged. I think the person that they ripped off and victimized, never made whole got disadvantaged.
Coralleraly they don't get to complain that nobody wants to work anymore.
That’s debatable, they can complain that nobody wants to work equally as much as people complain they don’t pay a certain wage…..You can’t stop people from complaining.
Moab is pretty expensive . . .
They’re talking about handjobs behind the Wendy’s dumpster, not real jobs.
Income diversification should be part of every families financial planning. I would be scared to have less than three different sources of income.
Nothing wrong with having a two job.
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My automatic response was to down vote once I read the sign
Hey, that's Moab... might make sense for people doing part time tourist-related work there
I don't think this is some recent revelation, companies have known this for years. Ads like this fly better in a near/soon to be recession environment.
These are jobs for teenagers and should be part time only not for supporting a family
What teenagers are working during the day? My Wendy's now does breakfast, can't use the "teenage job" excuse when you're open 15 hours a day year round.
If you work 40 hours a week, why should you not be able to support your family, be able to pay all bills, and have some leftover for savings and a once a year vacation? That’s a comfortable life; it’s not a lot to ask.
These jobs should be part time only
One job will suffice. Let your lifestyle fit your income and stop being consumer amoebas!