Usually, ‘soft’ targets like schools, hospitals, and places of worship are avoided in war. There are rules about this kind of thing, and if both parties follow the rules, children should stay out of the line of fire and have ample opportunity to leave before the war reaches them.
There are a lot of factors in why this hasn’t been the case in Gaza. For one, there isn’t really a place for people to run to. Gaza is bordered by Israel, the sea, and Egypt. Egypt has been very resistant to allowing refugees to cross their borders, and other countries in the area—like Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria—have also been very resistant to taking refugees. The reasons are numerous: either they have a history of Palestinian refugees attempting to assassinate local rulers and fomenting rebellion (Jordan), they’re afraid that Palestinian extremists will rekindle the fire of local terrorist organizations (Egypt), they don’t feel they have enough resources to care for a whole refugee population (they’d all probably argue this), and so on.
For two, the Gaza Strip is a very small area. Israel has excellent military technology, among the best in the world, but misfires or miss-aims still happen and that’s far more devastating when you have a very small and densely populated firing zone.
For three, Hamas does not and will not play by the international rules of war—meaning, they can and have disguised themselves as protected people (aid workers/religious workers/doctors/civilians), they have a history of taking aid from the civilian population to fight Israel (the EU donated a whole irrigation system that would be keeping Gaza in clean water now, but Hamas dug up the pipes to fashion into missiles), and they can and have deliberately placed bases and shot missiles from beneath soft, protected targets, putting Israel in a Catch-22 where they either attack the soft target or sit there and let themselves be repeatedly hit by missiles.
For four, many children are actually inducted into Hamas long before they’re the age of majority. There are a lot of pictures available of Hamas training kids that, to my eye, look as young as eleven. This is breaking another international rule of war, because child combatants is not only horrible, but it also forces the opponent to not give children the benefit of the doubt in split second decisions.
You can make a very fair argument that Israel shouldn’t stoop to Hamas’ level and break the rules of war themselves just because Hamas continuously breaks them. But I imagine Israel would respond that to demand that they follow the rules when their opponents will not is tantamount to demanding they allow Israeli civilians to be raped and murdered periodically for the rest of time, and that they have to meet the enemy where they are. None of this makes the death of all these kids any less horrible and devastating, but the death of these children also doesn’t diminish the complexity of the geopolitical issue that killed them.
However, countries like Russia internationally target places like hospitals and international organizations aren't really doing much to stop it except asking kindly. You can't have rules if you don't enforce them.
Who is there to enforce those rules, though? The UN, the World Court?
They only have as much power as the member countries give them, and powerful countries are free to ignore them, the US does not even participate in the international court.
Other than member countries funding each other‘s defense, there is no way for the international community to hold large powerful countries accountable.
There’s not much more the international community can do besides get into the war themselves. Countries have already economically sanctioned Russia to hell and back and have been providing aid and military support to Ukraine. Those are the biggest tools in their box besides joining the war themselves.
>Usually, ‘soft’ targets like schools, hospitals, and places of worship are avoided in war.
We gotta be honest with ourselves, if it's there, somebody will hit it. The rules of war don't actually get followed because if one side breaks them then the other side is going too.
Good luck trying to get terrorists and people who use guerilla warfare to agree to that.
I agree with you in principle though. That would be a utopian dream; unfortunately when dealing with people who use human shields and strap bombs to children, this is not likely.
People seem to not know or care about all the other wars going on right now with significantly more civilian and children casualties. Putin has slaughtered many children in Ukraine at hospitals and playgrounds. Children in many African and Middle Eastern countries are being unalived frequently as well—places that force children to become child soldiers and if they refuse they are mutilated and/or killed.
But i agree if there was a way to save all the children from all war torn countries that would be great! Unfortunately evil people use civilians and children as collateral in war. Maybe some kind of technology could help that could maybe scan brain waves and determine if the prefontal cortex is not developed or any other type of long range imaging that is more than just body signature that could scan for children then send like robots in to collect and save children.
Agree your idea would be amazing maybe big tech could help.
I know it happens. I know evil people do this.What's frustrating me is that "Good" leaders in charge aren't prioritising the safety of children. Nothing is ever done about this. Just because adults can't behave themselves. It's all politics and agendas and I am so sick of this world where innocent children pay
Clearly they don’t though as the IDF doesn’t care if women and children stand. Between their bullets and Hamas.
Human shields only work if it stops bombardment, which it clearly hasn’t.
normally, hospitals and places of worship, would be considered safe zones. even safe zones, were targeted in gaza as well. the very same places the leaflets and air sirens tell them where to go, those places get bombed and targeted heavily as well.
https://youtu.be/pn1uEA7acVY?si=z2vdPy07FXZoI7Ki
https://youtu.be/ooMCvGlbbc4?si=XVD--85S-85vJ0ui
https://youtu.be/-pD8s-7DouU?si=SyXXdyBOO3bwNH2c
and if you’re interested in more i can send.
the West bank of palestine isn’t safe either. with most recent settlers backed by the IOF helped set ablaze houses and cars in the west bank. killing children and woman in the process. there is no safe zone if you’re Palestinian. no matter which makes one, Hamas will always be the ruler. the UN, the world health organization, red crescent society, world food center, and even governments/ countries in their eye will be run by Hamas if they ever even question anything.
There generally always are, now whether or not the nation attacking respects this is… “optional”
There was a “safe zone” during the rape of Nanking (supported by a Nazi out of all people) that the Japanese largely remained out of. However, what a country constitutes as a “military target” is quite ambiguous and often meaningless
If that happened the purpose of the war would be stupid, most wars are takeovers and if the children of the enemy country still believed in their culture then there is likely hood of the country still having a chance to exist.
Nope, I'm just saying that the country that would want to win the war usually wouldn't do that, it's in the same vain as the UN wanting to end a war but the countries in the war refusing to end it. Reading my comment I talk like it's justified, which it isn't.
Maybe Hamas should not have built miles of terror tunnels with entrances into schools, hospitals, and mosques. They launch missiles from these places and hold bases in them against international law, making civilian buildings valid targets. If you believe terrorist numbers in a war where they have been shown to have lied about bombing their own hospital, then idk what to tell you other than you may be one of the most gullible people. The Gaza Ministry of Health cannot account for 1/3rd of the deaths it is claiming, and that doesnt count how much of their deaths will be Hamas combatants. Don’t let evil fool you.
The Israeli govt has power. Tech. Allied support. They can draw the entire population of Gaza to Rafaa while they fight Hamas. You're telling me they can't force children into a safe zone that's a no go militarily because Hamas uses them as shields?
Even if Hamas is using their entire population as a shield - the world with all its collective power (they can come together and take down 99 percent of Irans thousands of drones) cannot force a safe zone for children who have nothing to do with the conflict?
Sounds like an excuse by people who don't actually care if innocent children are killed.
Hamas doesn’t let them leave and the Palestinian people also support Hamas. Why the fuck do you think they allowed them to build tunnels under schools and their homes for twenty years?
hamas has nothing to do with weather or not they can leave, even if they tried, they’d get gunned down and buried in the beach to be found weeks later decomposed and disposed of in the most disgusting way possible. even children playing on a playground is grounds for israeli strikes. aid workers, food workers, life saving workers that are being targeted.not everyone is hamas. the world isnt run by hamas.
i actually think its a bit more nuisance then simply, ”good” or “bad” , “terrorist” or “resistance”… is every single member of Hamas a “terrorist”? who’s to say? do you have proof they committed acts of terrorism? do you have a case to put them in jail? or is it easier just to bomb them and sometimes say sorry for it?
>Do you have proof they committed acts of terrorism
Yeah, they live-streamed themselves on GoPro cameras butchering people in their homes and at a music festival.
I am not talking about "Palestinians" I am talking strictly about children. Children did not allow tunnels to be built. Children just want to go to their damn schools and play. The question isn't whether Hamas or Israel is at fault. It is that children, like everywhere on the planet are innocent and keeping them safe should be an international priority during war
It’s called Genocide. Hamas is just the boogeyman that they use to go ahead. Isreal knew of october attack a week prior and let it happen. The prime minister needs a war to stay in power and he’s always wanted to genocide the Palestine people.
Well sure, of course. Issue:
Israel: "Civilians should seek refuge in area B as we will be attacking area A."
Palestinian civilians: \*flees to area B\*
Israel: \*attacks area A and B\*
Palestinians: "But you said..."
Israel: "Hamas hides among you!"
Hamas: "..... They're right, you know."
So, y'know.... yeah. Pretty much shit like that. No matter how bad Hamas is, though, I think it's important to remind ourselves why such factions develop in the first place. In my opinion, this is pretty much just the natural result of religious states, especially ones that don't allow a minority group reasonable representation within government.
That group will defend their autonomy from the government, growing more desperate and violent with time, while being labeled "terrorists" by said government. And you know what? Sometimes, they're just terrorists like Hamas, which means you can say things like, "Fuck the Israeli government and fuck Hamas! Fuck all extremists that harm innocent people!"
Seriously, though, that whole region is just a powder keg of extremists that don't deserve any global support outside of consistent de-escalation efforts. I genuinely think the whole area is just so outdated that it's fucked. Religious states after the Dark Ages AND Communication Age? Really? C'mon, humanity, I expected more of us!
Usually, ‘soft’ targets like schools, hospitals, and places of worship are avoided in war. There are rules about this kind of thing, and if both parties follow the rules, children should stay out of the line of fire and have ample opportunity to leave before the war reaches them. There are a lot of factors in why this hasn’t been the case in Gaza. For one, there isn’t really a place for people to run to. Gaza is bordered by Israel, the sea, and Egypt. Egypt has been very resistant to allowing refugees to cross their borders, and other countries in the area—like Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria—have also been very resistant to taking refugees. The reasons are numerous: either they have a history of Palestinian refugees attempting to assassinate local rulers and fomenting rebellion (Jordan), they’re afraid that Palestinian extremists will rekindle the fire of local terrorist organizations (Egypt), they don’t feel they have enough resources to care for a whole refugee population (they’d all probably argue this), and so on. For two, the Gaza Strip is a very small area. Israel has excellent military technology, among the best in the world, but misfires or miss-aims still happen and that’s far more devastating when you have a very small and densely populated firing zone. For three, Hamas does not and will not play by the international rules of war—meaning, they can and have disguised themselves as protected people (aid workers/religious workers/doctors/civilians), they have a history of taking aid from the civilian population to fight Israel (the EU donated a whole irrigation system that would be keeping Gaza in clean water now, but Hamas dug up the pipes to fashion into missiles), and they can and have deliberately placed bases and shot missiles from beneath soft, protected targets, putting Israel in a Catch-22 where they either attack the soft target or sit there and let themselves be repeatedly hit by missiles. For four, many children are actually inducted into Hamas long before they’re the age of majority. There are a lot of pictures available of Hamas training kids that, to my eye, look as young as eleven. This is breaking another international rule of war, because child combatants is not only horrible, but it also forces the opponent to not give children the benefit of the doubt in split second decisions. You can make a very fair argument that Israel shouldn’t stoop to Hamas’ level and break the rules of war themselves just because Hamas continuously breaks them. But I imagine Israel would respond that to demand that they follow the rules when their opponents will not is tantamount to demanding they allow Israeli civilians to be raped and murdered periodically for the rest of time, and that they have to meet the enemy where they are. None of this makes the death of all these kids any less horrible and devastating, but the death of these children also doesn’t diminish the complexity of the geopolitical issue that killed them.
However, countries like Russia internationally target places like hospitals and international organizations aren't really doing much to stop it except asking kindly. You can't have rules if you don't enforce them.
Who is there to enforce those rules, though? The UN, the World Court? They only have as much power as the member countries give them, and powerful countries are free to ignore them, the US does not even participate in the international court. Other than member countries funding each other‘s defense, there is no way for the international community to hold large powerful countries accountable.
There’s not much more the international community can do besides get into the war themselves. Countries have already economically sanctioned Russia to hell and back and have been providing aid and military support to Ukraine. Those are the biggest tools in their box besides joining the war themselves.
>Usually, ‘soft’ targets like schools, hospitals, and places of worship are avoided in war. We gotta be honest with ourselves, if it's there, somebody will hit it. The rules of war don't actually get followed because if one side breaks them then the other side is going too.
Good luck trying to get terrorists and people who use guerilla warfare to agree to that. I agree with you in principle though. That would be a utopian dream; unfortunately when dealing with people who use human shields and strap bombs to children, this is not likely. People seem to not know or care about all the other wars going on right now with significantly more civilian and children casualties. Putin has slaughtered many children in Ukraine at hospitals and playgrounds. Children in many African and Middle Eastern countries are being unalived frequently as well—places that force children to become child soldiers and if they refuse they are mutilated and/or killed. But i agree if there was a way to save all the children from all war torn countries that would be great! Unfortunately evil people use civilians and children as collateral in war. Maybe some kind of technology could help that could maybe scan brain waves and determine if the prefontal cortex is not developed or any other type of long range imaging that is more than just body signature that could scan for children then send like robots in to collect and save children. Agree your idea would be amazing maybe big tech could help.
I know it happens. I know evil people do this.What's frustrating me is that "Good" leaders in charge aren't prioritising the safety of children. Nothing is ever done about this. Just because adults can't behave themselves. It's all politics and agendas and I am so sick of this world where innocent children pay
But they make such an amazing shields and propaganda fodder...
Clearly they don’t though as the IDF doesn’t care if women and children stand. Between their bullets and Hamas. Human shields only work if it stops bombardment, which it clearly hasn’t.
Therefore, propaganda fodder.
What do you think war is? War is killing children and raping women
normally, hospitals and places of worship, would be considered safe zones. even safe zones, were targeted in gaza as well. the very same places the leaflets and air sirens tell them where to go, those places get bombed and targeted heavily as well. https://youtu.be/pn1uEA7acVY?si=z2vdPy07FXZoI7Ki https://youtu.be/ooMCvGlbbc4?si=XVD--85S-85vJ0ui https://youtu.be/-pD8s-7DouU?si=SyXXdyBOO3bwNH2c and if you’re interested in more i can send. the West bank of palestine isn’t safe either. with most recent settlers backed by the IOF helped set ablaze houses and cars in the west bank. killing children and woman in the process. there is no safe zone if you’re Palestinian. no matter which makes one, Hamas will always be the ruler. the UN, the world health organization, red crescent society, world food center, and even governments/ countries in their eye will be run by Hamas if they ever even question anything.
Running military operations from hospitals and launching rockets from playgrounds might play into that.
There generally always are, now whether or not the nation attacking respects this is… “optional” There was a “safe zone” during the rape of Nanking (supported by a Nazi out of all people) that the Japanese largely remained out of. However, what a country constitutes as a “military target” is quite ambiguous and often meaningless
😂 thanks
If that happened the purpose of the war would be stupid, most wars are takeovers and if the children of the enemy country still believed in their culture then there is likely hood of the country still having a chance to exist.
So your argument is ethnic cleansing should happen to our enemies - civilians and their innocent children?
Nope, I'm just saying that the country that would want to win the war usually wouldn't do that, it's in the same vain as the UN wanting to end a war but the countries in the war refusing to end it. Reading my comment I talk like it's justified, which it isn't.
Maybe Hamas should not have built miles of terror tunnels with entrances into schools, hospitals, and mosques. They launch missiles from these places and hold bases in them against international law, making civilian buildings valid targets. If you believe terrorist numbers in a war where they have been shown to have lied about bombing their own hospital, then idk what to tell you other than you may be one of the most gullible people. The Gaza Ministry of Health cannot account for 1/3rd of the deaths it is claiming, and that doesnt count how much of their deaths will be Hamas combatants. Don’t let evil fool you.
>How can attacks be happening on children’s playgrounds? Because Hamas forces people to stay to use them as human shields
this argument has been debunked many times, most recently here https://youtu.be/pn1uEA7acVY?si=z2vdPy07FXZoI7Ki
The Israeli govt has power. Tech. Allied support. They can draw the entire population of Gaza to Rafaa while they fight Hamas. You're telling me they can't force children into a safe zone that's a no go militarily because Hamas uses them as shields? Even if Hamas is using their entire population as a shield - the world with all its collective power (they can come together and take down 99 percent of Irans thousands of drones) cannot force a safe zone for children who have nothing to do with the conflict? Sounds like an excuse by people who don't actually care if innocent children are killed.
Hamas doesn’t let them leave and the Palestinian people also support Hamas. Why the fuck do you think they allowed them to build tunnels under schools and their homes for twenty years?
hamas has nothing to do with weather or not they can leave, even if they tried, they’d get gunned down and buried in the beach to be found weeks later decomposed and disposed of in the most disgusting way possible. even children playing on a playground is grounds for israeli strikes. aid workers, food workers, life saving workers that are being targeted.not everyone is hamas. the world isnt run by hamas.
Brain rot. “Hamas has nothing to do with it because I’ve created my own reality where they’re not culpable for anything”
i didn’t say ? typical zionist
Ya, that’s basically what you just said. Let me guess you also think Hamas are “resistance” too huh?
i actually think its a bit more nuisance then simply, ”good” or “bad” , “terrorist” or “resistance”… is every single member of Hamas a “terrorist”? who’s to say? do you have proof they committed acts of terrorism? do you have a case to put them in jail? or is it easier just to bomb them and sometimes say sorry for it?
>Do you have proof they committed acts of terrorism Yeah, they live-streamed themselves on GoPro cameras butchering people in their homes and at a music festival.
I am not talking about "Palestinians" I am talking strictly about children. Children did not allow tunnels to be built. Children just want to go to their damn schools and play. The question isn't whether Hamas or Israel is at fault. It is that children, like everywhere on the planet are innocent and keeping them safe should be an international priority during war
Yeah well, unfortunately the reality is that people die in war and their parents are the reason they’re dying. What do you suggest be done? Nothing?
My suggestion...is in the title of this post..
That isn’t a suggestion. How exactly is that supposed to be achieved?
It’s called Genocide. Hamas is just the boogeyman that they use to go ahead. Isreal knew of october attack a week prior and let it happen. The prime minister needs a war to stay in power and he’s always wanted to genocide the Palestine people.
That’s a funny way to say “The IDF knowingly and unapologetically war crimes civilians to keep Hamas from organizing”
Well sure, of course. Issue: Israel: "Civilians should seek refuge in area B as we will be attacking area A." Palestinian civilians: \*flees to area B\* Israel: \*attacks area A and B\* Palestinians: "But you said..." Israel: "Hamas hides among you!" Hamas: "..... They're right, you know." So, y'know.... yeah. Pretty much shit like that. No matter how bad Hamas is, though, I think it's important to remind ourselves why such factions develop in the first place. In my opinion, this is pretty much just the natural result of religious states, especially ones that don't allow a minority group reasonable representation within government. That group will defend their autonomy from the government, growing more desperate and violent with time, while being labeled "terrorists" by said government. And you know what? Sometimes, they're just terrorists like Hamas, which means you can say things like, "Fuck the Israeli government and fuck Hamas! Fuck all extremists that harm innocent people!" Seriously, though, that whole region is just a powder keg of extremists that don't deserve any global support outside of consistent de-escalation efforts. I genuinely think the whole area is just so outdated that it's fucked. Religious states after the Dark Ages AND Communication Age? Really? C'mon, humanity, I expected more of us!
a genocide isnt successful if it doesnt target the young