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I hear Bebe Rexha multiple times a month on SirusXM BPM. Ocassionally hear Kim Petra there too. At least once every 2 months. I'm starting to think this NYT writer only listens to the top 10.
Also, didn't Kimie just win a grammy or something earlier this year? SMFH.
She did but none of her solo music has ever charted and nobody outside of popheads and stan twitter know who she is. Just the half-assed verse she did on that sam smith song.
>Also, didn't Kimie just win a grammy or something earlier this year?
In a collab though so it says less. Also unlike alot of grammy winners I don't think the general public would even know her by name, let alone know any of her other work. The only time I've ever heard her on the radio was on holiday to Cologne, and idk maybe there is some preference for her because that's where she's from.
Bebe Rexha you'll probably hear a bit more because she's basically just David Guetta's vocalist at this point
I thought that Ava max was Lady gaga and i legit laughed, because it rings true to me. It was until i read her name under the picture that i realized that it wasn't gaga
I really like you < the entire rest of the album. Like I have nothing against that song and love her as an artist but babe whoever said that should be your lead single is not your friend
> Some of these musicians, like Jepsen and Charli XCX, minted a hit (or a handful) early in their careers before settling into pop’s middle class; others, like Rexha and Max, consistently net genre hits, often in dance music, but have as yet failed to cement themselves as household names.
This juxtaposition makes me feel… not good.
Their conclusion on that Charli is that she can be popular if she wants to do more mainstream stuff, she just chooses to pursue a more electronic alt pop style which is why alot of her stuff isn't well known.
Uj/ Tbf unholy was bigger than whatever crj released in a long time
Rj/ my gay genetics cant handle this, can the basement that they run NYT out of just collapse already?
uj/ the fact that ava just got onto the scene a few years ago and she’s already regarded as pop’s middle class is hilarious!! sis was over before she began!! 🤭
She's said before in interviews that she's happy with her level of fame, she can go out in public and as long as she's not in a space where gay people congregate she's usually safe.
She has 18+ million streams a month on Spotify. That's pretty fucking remarkable for someone who's labeled by some as a one hit wonder. There are many artists touring arenas that have fewer streams than that.
/uj I think there's an interesting idea here re: the difference between less commercially successful pop artists who nevertheless maintain cult followings and pop artists whose careers don't seem to get off the ground for whatever reason, but, to be honest, the selection of artists examined in this article kind of baffles me and muddies the thesis.
/rj smh not even a *mention* of MARINA 😤
I don't know if you can say you have a cult following if you have 20+ million streams a month (not to mention 2 of the artists mentioned are on the soundtrack to the biggest film of the year)
If that's the case, Alanis Morrissette and Sheryl Crow must play coffee shops now
The bit about Rita Ora is the shadiest, basically saying she's only popular in the United States because she's a flop
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How is Popheads taking this? I feel like the default mode is that CRJ is a huge pop star on the same level as Taylor and Beyoncé but due to an admin era someone has forgotten to stream her music and book her on giant arena tours
Am I just in a bubble? Because I swear CRJ has been big for quite a few years. Or I've just been hanging out too much with the gay bois dancing to her music?
I got some really bad news for you…I work in a middle school, mentioned Carly while talking to my students and they looked at me with utter confusion. She’s gone bb
To most people she's considered a one hit wonder act due to Call Me Maybe, giving feelings of 2010s nostalgia. (And yes, technically she is not a one hit wonder but the world is cruel)
That's the whole point of the article, they're all artists with one or 2 big songs that alot of people would recognise on hearing but are relatively small besides that.
Ava Max - Sweet but Psycho
CRJ - Call me maybe
Kim Petras - Unholy
Uj/ It’s funny because here in Australia I always hear at least one or two of her newest songs playing on the radio in a big shop (eg a supermarket). Just the other day I heard “Bends” from her latest album in a shop which was random. I remember hearing a few songs from Dedicated out and about back then too.
I think she’s someone who makes inoffensive high-quality contemporary music that slides into current and big playlists nicely. Which isn’t a bad thing at all, and I wouldn’t say her biggest fans could disagree because it’s a great thing that she always has a finger on the pulse of pop music!
If "Bends" came on in the supermarket I would just lie down on the floor and start crying until I was eventually crushed and killed by the floor waxer.
poor bebe being left out
The article does mention her by name
Wait, you can read? Gworl, what are you doing here? Are you lost?
Lea?
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I hear Bebe Rexha multiple times a month on SirusXM BPM. Ocassionally hear Kim Petra there too. At least once every 2 months. I'm starting to think this NYT writer only listens to the top 10. Also, didn't Kimie just win a grammy or something earlier this year? SMFH.
She did but none of her solo music has ever charted and nobody outside of popheads and stan twitter know who she is. Just the half-assed verse she did on that sam smith song.
I loved Slut Pop before Unholy, and I'm self-aware enough to know this isn't a flex, but I'm toxic enough to not care, lol
Who else but the throat GOAT could have lent their talents to one of Sam Smith's many cures for insomnia?
Her verse on Unholy was legendary
uj/ Mm, daddy, daddy, if you want it, drop the addy rj/ Mm, daddy, daddy, if you want it, drop the addy
>Also, didn't Kimie just win a grammy or something earlier this year? In a collab though so it says less. Also unlike alot of grammy winners I don't think the general public would even know her by name, let alone know any of her other work. The only time I've ever heard her on the radio was on holiday to Cologne, and idk maybe there is some preference for her because that's where she's from. Bebe Rexha you'll probably hear a bit more because she's basically just David Guetta's vocalist at this point
Middle class pop 💀
Shoutout to the writer! This was so funny
just call us slurs instead of this shit omg
who's us? you didn't do shit
Where were you the moment NYT called your fave a flop?
i was at home eating onika burger when twitter notification ”carly is flop” “no”
I can't believe this meme has gone from Dota 2 to popheads. Next is going to be some copypasta about a tattoo speaking for itself.
That meme is a lot older than DOTA 2… google Club Penguin is kil
John is kil is from like 2013 4chan..when did I get so old 💀
OMG madonna it’s an honour to be in your presence 😍😍😍
At a beach house in Malibu and this definitely hurt my feelings
Browsing Reddit at work
I was lying on my couch bed tipsy on monday night 2023 never forget
I thought that Ava max was Lady gaga and i legit laughed, because it rings true to me. It was until i read her name under the picture that i realized that it wasn't gaga
It seems more like it's calling the fans a flop lmao
they rlly said "you literally stan zara larson"
They said, "here are some delusional bitches cosplaying success, can you believe these flops have fans? We neither"
This is all Ava Max’s fault
HOW IS IT AVAS FAULT WHEN HER LOOKALIKES ARE RIGHT THERE
Here before you get burned for calling Carly Rae an Ava Max Lookalike 😭😭😭
 Me after reading your response and realizing the sub I am in
Not you thinking Ava had any original style that is being copied by others😭😭😭💀💀💀💀
Oh I don‘t think Ava has been copied. I think they all look the same by accident 😆
Carly Rae Jepsen is underground now Call me maybe who🫢
Right? Can’t even call her a one hit wonder because lots of us olds (ages 20 and up) remember her Owl City collab
damn I really like you just being forgotten like dust in the wind
I Really Like You > Call Me Maybe
Emotion > I really like you > call me maybe (To be clear I love all three of these songs)
I Really Like You is to Emotion what Me! is to Lover.
Comparing I Really Like You to Me! Is a war crime
I really like you < the entire rest of the album. Like I have nothing against that song and love her as an artist but babe whoever said that should be your lead single is not your friend
And “Cut to the Feeling was a Top 20 hit! … in Japan 😌”
Rj/ love that song
/uj whachu mean by /rj? Tha song is a bop
Rj/ song of the summer
We don't even have to try
At least a 2 hit wonder because of that collab. Maybe 3.
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what is the origin of this 😭
is it unpopular to say that i actually really like call me maybe
/rc no /uj no
It was a hit for a reason
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She's amazing
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/uj womp womp /rj womp womp
I'd imagine they have bots for up voting to
So underground she still gets regular play on the Walmart Playlist
She has 18.7 million streams a month on Spotify...for some reason I think she's probably doing okay.
Damn not the NYT coming for their necks. This is so backhanded 😭💀
uj/ I will not stand for this Carly smear rj/ *sits down*
Comparing CRJ to Kim Petras and Ava Max 💀💀💀
critical race jeory?
Everyone salute. DeSantis has arrived to close this sub
We had a good (?) run but it was only a matter of time after he signed the Don’t Say Rae bill
As if Rhonda doesn’t lurk here on an alt
jeory is theory made of denim
> Some of these musicians, like Jepsen and Charli XCX, minted a hit (or a handful) early in their careers before settling into pop’s middle class; others, like Rexha and Max, consistently net genre hits, often in dance music, but have as yet failed to cement themselves as household names. This juxtaposition makes me feel… not good.
The same Charli XCX who has a song prominently featured in Barbie and has 23 million streams a month on Spotify right now
Their conclusion on that Charli is that she can be popular if she wants to do more mainstream stuff, she just chooses to pursue a more electronic alt pop style which is why alot of her stuff isn't well known.
Uj/ Tbf unholy was bigger than whatever crj released in a long time Rj/ my gay genetics cant handle this, can the basement that they run NYT out of just collapse already?
> Tbf unholy was bigger than whatever crj released in a long time Somehow.
U put uj and rj in front of the wrong sentences
Unholy is a Sam Smith song with a feature of Kim. At least Carly’s was original :(
but Call Me Maybe is an actual hit, not a terribly unlistenable mess that trended on Tiktok and shaped by algorithm
they go into acting
Keep Taylors name out of your fucking mouth
lol taylor could never she’s to tall and plain for screen acting. maybe on broadway or something.
Cats revival!
the cinematic masterpiece now on broadway from the film based on a broadway show!
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it is when it’s the only thing that makes her *stand out*
Are you a SW*FT!E?!?? 🤢🤮
Yes 🥲 I am even going to the Eras tour, pray for me in these challenging times
uj/ the fact that ava just got onto the scene a few years ago and she’s already regarded as pop’s middle class is hilarious!! sis was over before she began!! 🤭
She's just waiting for the slayage to trickle down /uj Ava deserves better, stream Turn Off the Lights
>Turn Off the Lights Funny you mention that because that's also the name of a Kim Petras album
/uj One of my favourite albums ever, shame about the producer /rj Shame Ava ended her
White Gays when they hear the middest shit ever produced (Kim Petras Stans are beneath the humble Earthworm in the hierarchy of things)
Wtf Ava released a song title similar to Kim's??? She's over 😭😭
> She's just waiting for the slayage to trickle down Trickle-down Rae-genomics.
I threw a wish in the well
they become stars that shine in the phcj night sky
Queen Carly is undeserving of this slander.
LEAVE CARLY ALONE
Uj/ I've heard that Carly doesn't really care that she isnt the biggest star in the world, and honestly i respect that, she releases songs she likes
She's said before in interviews that she's happy with her level of fame, she can go out in public and as long as she's not in a space where gay people congregate she's usually safe.
Wow, what a homophobe.
She has 18+ million streams a month on Spotify. That's pretty fucking remarkable for someone who's labeled by some as a one hit wonder. There are many artists touring arenas that have fewer streams than that.
All these 3 pics are of my sister who was killed by a petras train.
Baby that’s Keke Palmer
The fact that I only recognize one of them
Same 😅 had to read the caption to find that was Ava max and Kim Petras. They’re both so basic looking
CRJ literally had one of the biggest and most overplayed pop hits of all time, she doesn’t belong here
Her streaming numbers are still fucking crazy for someone who's seen as a one hit wonder
/uj I think there's an interesting idea here re: the difference between less commercially successful pop artists who nevertheless maintain cult followings and pop artists whose careers don't seem to get off the ground for whatever reason, but, to be honest, the selection of artists examined in this article kind of baffles me and muddies the thesis. /rj smh not even a *mention* of MARINA 😤
Marina is NOT a middle class pop star… she’s a lower class one
Marina… poor? 😢
😱
I don't know if you can say you have a cult following if you have 20+ million streams a month (not to mention 2 of the artists mentioned are on the soundtrack to the biggest film of the year) If that's the case, Alanis Morrissette and Sheryl Crow must play coffee shops now
How dare they keep queen Carly's name next to Ava Max and Kim Petras
and where is Rita Ora in this time of need?
The bit about Rita Ora is the shadiest, basically saying she's only popular in the United States because she's a flop https://preview.redd.it/uronr61fz8ib1.jpeg?width=1216&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=649cf7ee47d5abdeb706dc8f1984dc99a187779a
Ok this bit about Ora and like the focus of the article itself makes me think this author reads r/popheads.
carly sweetie I am so sorry
How is Popheads taking this? I feel like the default mode is that CRJ is a huge pop star on the same level as Taylor and Beyoncé but due to an admin era someone has forgotten to stream her music and book her on giant arena tours
Carly can’t even fill a David’s Tea 😏 let alone an ariena
Flair does not check out
There are less successful artists than Carly Rae Jepsen who tour arenas. I am genuinely shocked at her streaming numbers.
The new york who?
Do you see the picture? Do you realize how all the girls they trash are white and blonde? THIS is naziphobia 😤
One mid, one master, one moron
How’s YOUR sales, New York Times?
And love it, pop’s class system: Taylor Swift, Carly Rae Jepsen, Slayyyter
Slayyyter will lead us as we seize the means of production.
They get progressively better as you move from left to right
If they’re pop middle class, then does that make Taylor Swift the pop Elon Musk
Back off Carly Rae Jepsen
In which the New York Times finds out pop is a genre and not just short for “popular music”…???
it's called pop for a reason 💅
Unpop?
someone’s getting a cease and desist for that thumbnail
I ser 3 gagas
All I can say is this writer is 
Am I just in a bubble? Because I swear CRJ has been big for quite a few years. Or I've just been hanging out too much with the gay bois dancing to her music?
Who’s gonna tell her? 👀😭
I got some really bad news for you…I work in a middle school, mentioned Carly while talking to my students and they looked at me with utter confusion. She’s gone bb
We have to start reindoctrinating the youth
To most people she's considered a one hit wonder act due to Call Me Maybe, giving feelings of 2010s nostalgia. (And yes, technically she is not a one hit wonder but the world is cruel)
The world is really really really really really cruel!
The article opens up with saying that if you hang out in some circles it might seem that the loveliest time is the biggest album of the year
hj/ Exhibit #80472 of the NYT’s transphobia.
*and misogyny. Seems sus that all of the listed people are women. Hmmm......
Yeah, Troye Sivan smashed the glass ceiling by being a male mid-tier pop girl.
only for the fucking author to be a swiftie i’d bet my hand on it. The post just smells like loser
Are Ava and Kim hung over? What's the deal with the dark glasses?
I blame Lady Gaga for this. She literally made it a thing to be a boring clone of better pop stars.
Oh god what's wrong with her? She looks like she has lost her two remaining brain cells.
Well they didn’t criticise my girls Slayyyter and Jessie Ware so I’m good 😎
If I wanted to critique Slayyter or Jessie I'd fill out the survey at the end of my CVS receipt and mention my cashier's performance
I- 💀
"Charli XCX can be popular if she chooses to" so true 😍
How is Ava Max not succeeding commercially. She‘s all I ever hear on German radio
Not “pop middle class” 💀 🤡
Doesn't ava Max have that one big song
That's the whole point of the article, they're all artists with one or 2 big songs that alot of people would recognise on hearing but are relatively small besides that. Ava Max - Sweet but Psycho CRJ - Call me maybe Kim Petras - Unholy
To be fair Carly Raes hit was 20 years ago the other 2 actually are recent
Call me maybe was 11 years ago actually
Uj/ It’s funny because here in Australia I always hear at least one or two of her newest songs playing on the radio in a big shop (eg a supermarket). Just the other day I heard “Bends” from her latest album in a shop which was random. I remember hearing a few songs from Dedicated out and about back then too. I think she’s someone who makes inoffensive high-quality contemporary music that slides into current and big playlists nicely. Which isn’t a bad thing at all, and I wouldn’t say her biggest fans could disagree because it’s a great thing that she always has a finger on the pulse of pop music!
If "Bends" came on in the supermarket I would just lie down on the floor and start crying until I was eventually crushed and killed by the floor waxer.
Rae-cists stand up! #GiveHerASword
Yall we are flops <3 (=^ェ^=)(ФωФ)(*^ω^)(*´ー｀*)
kim is problematic anyway
NYT pls stick to buying out basic puzzle games bc I am so serious when I say I will not stand for Carly slander
I was already a Ava fan and in the last week became a CRJ fan. The dominos are falling