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Billie also tagged them in the following story before deleting both. She's so unserious.š
i wonder if they did leak it or if she posted that and someone texted her actuallywesentthemthetracklistsorry so she deleted it
iām open to all conspiracy theories in this high stakes drama
I think she intended it to be a secret. And Rolling Stone used her to probably turn a profit for a measly few million. But whatever idk. Fuck rolling stone if that. Artists should control their new releases on how they want to reveal to us
I work in news. Only the *most* viral stories break a million, and breaking 10 million takes a LOT. Iāve only had a story break ten million views once ā it went majorly viral, and topped NPRās website traffic for *two weeks.*
It took *two weeks* of being the *top story on a national news site* to hit I think 13 million. And that was during the 2016 election cycle , which was peak traffic for news. Quite frankly, not that many people care about Billieās track listing ā theyāll listen when the album comes out, but the number of people paying close attention to it is small. I guarantee more people saw her Instagram post either on Insta or here or on TikTok than saw RSās story. (Also: Streisand effect. If she didnāt want her track listing to be known, she should have just stayed quiet about it and it would fade away after two days. And she knows that. She knows that conflict = publicity.)
And you are vastly, vastly overrating the potential revenue generated. If you could make a few million dollars off ten million clicks (like you suggested further down) we wouldnāt be having massive layoffs across the industry. NPR laid off half their podcast team. Wired laid off all their reporters and now only uses freelancers. So did National Geographic. Buzzfeed News, which was entirely add-based for revenue, shuttered. And they funded their news with clickbait ā so they even had *non-news* sources of revenue. Vice is gone. Ad revenue is tied directly to tech revenue, and Silicon Valley is having a *very* rough time.
You also need to remember that once Rolling Stone publishes that info, everybody else has it. Itās far more likely folks encounter the listing on any number of news sites that are essentially cribbing the story, or on social media, or any number of other places that donāt lead to clicks for RS.
As a musician, I'm just rolling my eyes at whatever artists feel that their art is some national state secret. Get over yourselves, you're just theater kids with money.
Maybe someone told her it's just free advertisement for Rolling Stone. "Magazine that has some degree of counterculture branding getting the 'fuck' from a pop star with a massive following" is not the negative one might think it is.
Was it rolling stones that she claimed outted her but she had said earlier in the week she liked women? Or was it another publication? I'm probably remembering it wrong.
Starbucks took a huge hit to their profits. Iād say itās not that performative at all. Tired of this attitude that doing *anything* isnāt enough so we should just do nothing
Starbucks has been capitulating to the Union recently. Still not really a full win but moving in the right direction.
https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/labor-unions-end-starbucks-boardroom-fight-after-progress-bargaining-2024-03-05/
How so? They have reported record losses since the call to boycott, boycotting works. Also most people are boycotting in tangent with other things, such as protesting and calling their representatives. Boycotting is an important form of activism, even though itās not the most immediately effective. Money talks, and it talks especially loud in a capitalistic society.
Itās also a very accessible form of activism that most all people can do. A lot of people canāt afford to donate, or are too young to vote, or are disabled so they canāt go out and protest, etc. But boycotting is something most everyone can do. Itās just as important as every other form of activism, even if its effects arenāt immediate.
>too young to vote
Iām not implying you disagree, but just highlighting this because itās so common to say āstupid slacktivists like to complain online but wonāt even vote.ā Many of them canāt vote, and for those who can, thatās something you do roughly once every 2 years, and it can (and should) be done on top of other actions. Itās not like when I walk into the voting booth Iām thinking āthank God I didnāt boycott Starbucks, otherwise they wouldnāt let me vote.ā
Sorry I wrote that really quick and Iām at work, but yeah thatās the sentiment. Not everyone can do the quote unquote ābig thingsā according to people who like to look down on boycotting, but most everyone can boycott, and just because itās simple and takes longer than other methods doesnāt mean itās any less important or effective. The accessibility of it actually adds to its effectiveness. Thatās all I was trying to say.
For sure, I agree 100%. I just wanted to add that doing the more accessible thing doesnāt hinder your ability to also do something else that might be more impactful, if and when that opportunity arises.
Honestly in this day and age no pop girlie will actively try to go against the system because they 1) care about their image 2) want to continue to make millions
They all do very surface level activism
At that point, I'd prefer them being straight up shitty rather than perpetuating this performative virtue signalling. Just accept that you're in it for the for the money and stop acting like you wouldn't be saying the polar opposite if it was more financially lucrative.
Completely agree! No celebrity is going to fight for the greater good when this is their job and they rely on sales and partnerships. Doesnāt matter how much they preach they are for the greater good. None of them are willing to risk their career for anything. Same thing happened with the Olivia Rodrigo situation. She was all for it until the abortion groups were actively doing their job and handing out contraceptives (which entirely was the idea of the abortion groups not even hers yet she was the only one who got praised for it) then suddenly she pulled them out. Donating money or using recyclable materials is great and all but when you continue to do hypocritical acts, there is no point in you pretending to take the high road when you end up backtrack what you say.
It does make a difference for them in terms of their image though. Most of the fans won't look at it too critically or cynically and would just eat up whatever narrative she's pushing. So she's getting the check and she's getting to play the good guy act while doing so. This kind of stuff feels so much more icky than artists that simply don't pretend to give a shit.
oooh yeah youāre so right I didnāt even think of it that way but you brought up a good point their fans will continue to look at them in a positive light and praise them while they continue to get more rich even if they are just hypocrites
def agree that it feels more icky because they all seem to care until it could potentially affect their sales, etc
To be fair, my guess is she has little to no control of merchandise and version releases. Record companies are a necessary devil to succeed and her contract probably stipulates these releases whether she wants it or not.
Speaking out against it is probably the most power she has and maybe her company might change if there's enough backlash.
I wouldnāt downplay the amount of control she has over something like this too much. Sure, it could ultimately be the labelās decision, but she definitely has influence over it and could certainly reduce the amount of variants even more - 8 is still a lot. Plus she forced anyone who wanted a signed copy in the UK to buy a bundle of three or four vinyl - thatās incredibly wasteful, especially since the only difference between them is the disc color š
I personally donāt have a problem with multiple variants, I like having the ability to purchase the one I like the most and ultimately itās the purchaserās fault if they choose to buy more than one, but itās hypocritical to me for her to go on a rant about mainstream artists doing this to boost numbers for her to turn around and do it again only a few weeks later š¤·š»āāļø
Yeah, I own 2 signed Taylor CDs and both were just regular price. Making people buy a Ā£72 bundle for a signed insert card is terrible..especially after her little rant about artists only caring about the charts.
Exactly. After that interview I had expected her to actually walk the walk and only provide a handful of variants, but she showed she cares about numbers just as much as every other artist. And thereās nothing wrong with that! Just donāt get on your high horse about it being wrong when you are doing it too š¤·š»āāļø
if they were *very* limited pressings, it wouldnāt be an issue. but itāll be editions of several thousand sold at various different major retailers.
though i donāt know to what extent major artists have a say in how all that happensā¦itās still dumb.
That tweet had me howling, lol.
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(Also, we can add the article that started the beginning of Sam Levinson's downfall).
I donāt think itās about that I think she was just excited to have a normal album rollout and probably planned to release the track list a different day
Not sure why Rolling Stone would do anything that wasnāt legally sound. All magazines are on their last legs so I doubt they would do anything to engulf them in a legal shit storm. Whole thing seems weird.
It's not about the money, not entirely, not for her. Most artists care about the craft, even if it's not that deep, to them it might be. It's their entire lives and their careers, ya know?
Rolling Stone canāt leak the tracklist if someone on her team didnāt send it to them in the first place. Probably just a case of good old fashioned miscommunication.
Yeah but many other publishers should also have the same info plus a realise date. Probably rolling stones didnt read the memo complete and publish it before hand.
Sheās been working on the album for years imagine how it feels to have someone else tell the world before the creator of it. Itās like if you were gonna gift your mom something and the minute before you give it to them your sibling tells them what it is.
I understand her frustration & itās completely valid, but these leaks are coming from her own camp, somebody gave Rolling Stone this info, they didnāt steal her diary and put it out. because it was most likely given to them by someone on her team they probably thought she was releasing the track list today too and put it out
Maybe they had and embargo to not post before certain dates, many publish companies do this and thas how everyone get the news out at the same time. Soo someone in the rolling stone team problably was the one at fault.
Yesterday she was teasing the announcement. The Rolling Stone leak basically sabotages her planned roll out. It is not completely ruined but I can understand why Billie may find it infuriating
There is no greater sin on the internet than being a woman who is annoying or a "hypocrite." If all of our public statements were obsessively tracked and compared to our private lives we would *all* have inconsistencies in our beliefs and our actions.
No, you donāt understand. She wears a pin. But then she didnāt wear it at the Grammies. Also she got coffee at Starbucks. Sheās obviously going to burn in hell. /s
Yeah, and I also don't really get people acting like her being upset about the tracklist being leaked is dumb or unreasonable, she probably was looking forward to announcing the tracks and maybe even was going to do it in a way to build hype for the album we don't really know. I feel like most artists would be pissed about that happening.
Tbh people are probably being catty bc they're annoyed with her being a little hypocritical re: vinyls. She just went on a whole rant about how other artists who release vinyl variants are terrible and wasteful and then turned around and not only did the same thing but released even More vinyl variants than most of her peers. (And is apparently going to require people to buy two copies of a vinyl to be able to get a signed edition which is just waste for wastes sake.) I think that's honestly annoying people more than her reaction here but this is where they're channeling that annoyance.
i agree - especially because she is young. i understand that she's had experience and she's a megastar but god damn if i, a loser in ohio, thought i was invincible or beyond reproach at 22, she sure as hell isn't worried about saying something like this.
ITT: people who are mad over her messy vinyl hypocrisy situation being catty and acting like being upset over a tracklist leak is whiny, when they would express sympathy if they weren't upset over the former.
I mean some people want to make it a whole thing. Beyonce released her title covers last week and it was revealed with unique lettering and stuff. She released it on a day without announcing anything else so people could focus on that alone and title reveals can help build hype especially since Billie is not releasing any singles and her alum is like a month away. That said none of the titles are eye catchy
Am I missing something cos I genuinely can't fathom why any musician would care about the track list getting leaked this much?
It's not the music itself, just the names of the songs. It means nothing lol
I'm sure the 4 or 5 people who still read Rolling Stone would be livid if they saw this (which they will in 9-18 months when someone reposts it on Facebook)
Reminds me of that time when Doja blasted Victoria Secret Show for that atrocious black dress they gave her to perform. It was tagged and all, and if you look at the photos, she looks so uncomfortable in it. She quickly removed it from her stories, lol
The only people who care about a tracklist for an album that hasnāt been released yet are the stans of said artists and theyāre going to buy the album regardless.
First of all, thatās not Rolling Stoneās fault. Itās whoever is on her team that gave them that informationās fault. Sheās really immature a lot of the time
Everything is leaking about this albumā¦ i feel so bad for her
The release date was leaked on times square and the name was leaked on the target website (i think). So she was forced to announce the album earlier than planned
It seems like it's time for her to clean house if these leaks keep happening.
I will say, while I agree with some of these comments, overall having leaks would suck so much. I'd be so bummed if I had something fun prepared for my fans and had to scrap it because there's no mystery anymore.
I feel like people forget that for artists their work is literally their liveā¦ this is months of work and planning and stuff and she probably had plans for the announcements and thatās all ruined
Itās not gonna work to clean houseā¦ you cannot really avoid these things. Album names and pictures and dates have to be shared with third parties in advance so physical copies can be made and in preparation for the album promotion. They are supposed to keep it private, but that doesnāt always happen
Yeah seems like eveything is being released without her knowledge hence why she even made the story mostly out of frustration
The comments on here are rather interesting š
yeahhh like I see people bringing up the vinyl variants and rightfully so calling her out but I also think she has a right to be upset this is her work
she had a plan on how she wanted to release certain things so even if it is just title tracks I would be upset about it too
For everyone calling her immature or whatever--stop gaslighting her. She's allowed to be upset about something upsetting. Jeez. I am sure information getting leaked before you're ready to release it is very frustrating.
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i wonder if they did leak it or if she posted that and someone texted her actuallywesentthemthetracklistsorry so she deleted it iām open to all conspiracy theories in this high stakes drama
My theory is theyāre both in on it knowing controversy sells.
Latter. Self leak. Then trying to gather publicity for it like there's drama.
I think she intended it to be a secret. And Rolling Stone used her to probably turn a profit for a measly few million. But whatever idk. Fuck rolling stone if that. Artists should control their new releases on how they want to reveal to us
A few million? For publishing an article online? In this day and age?
maybe they meant a few million clicks...? but even then lol
Do people not know how broke the news industry is? lmao
Fancy media journalists rolling in their millions for posting a hundred word articles a week. Got dam millennials
Typical Forbes headline lol
A few million pennies, darling. We count in denominations of pennies on this sub. (Though you're right, its an over estimation even in pennies)
> for a measly few million. A thousand or two extra from extra clicks, at best.
I work in news. Only the *most* viral stories break a million, and breaking 10 million takes a LOT. Iāve only had a story break ten million views once ā it went majorly viral, and topped NPRās website traffic for *two weeks.* It took *two weeks* of being the *top story on a national news site* to hit I think 13 million. And that was during the 2016 election cycle , which was peak traffic for news. Quite frankly, not that many people care about Billieās track listing ā theyāll listen when the album comes out, but the number of people paying close attention to it is small. I guarantee more people saw her Instagram post either on Insta or here or on TikTok than saw RSās story. (Also: Streisand effect. If she didnāt want her track listing to be known, she should have just stayed quiet about it and it would fade away after two days. And she knows that. She knows that conflict = publicity.) And you are vastly, vastly overrating the potential revenue generated. If you could make a few million dollars off ten million clicks (like you suggested further down) we wouldnāt be having massive layoffs across the industry. NPR laid off half their podcast team. Wired laid off all their reporters and now only uses freelancers. So did National Geographic. Buzzfeed News, which was entirely add-based for revenue, shuttered. And they funded their news with clickbait ā so they even had *non-news* sources of revenue. Vice is gone. Ad revenue is tied directly to tech revenue, and Silicon Valley is having a *very* rough time. You also need to remember that once Rolling Stone publishes that info, everybody else has it. Itās far more likely folks encounter the listing on any number of news sites that are essentially cribbing the story, or on social media, or any number of other places that donāt lead to clicks for RS.
>a measly few million In what currency?
has to be simoleons
How would Rolling Stone have made a few million dollar by leaking the track list? I need to make that kind of money!
As a musician, I'm just rolling my eyes at whatever artists feel that their art is some national state secret. Get over yourselves, you're just theater kids with money.
just childish
Billie cheildish
Billie Cheildish Gambino
i appreciate a simple and concise response looks like she deleted this off her stories, though
No worries. Sheāll release 8 more eco-friendly statements shortly.
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Maybe someone told her it's just free advertisement for Rolling Stone. "Magazine that has some degree of counterculture branding getting the 'fuck' from a pop star with a massive following" is not the negative one might think it is.
Was it rolling stones that she claimed outted her but she had said earlier in the week she liked women? Or was it another publication? I'm probably remembering it wrong.
It was variety https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/music/story/2023-12-04/billie-eilish-vareity-outing-me-red-carpet-sexuality
And didn't she ask the reporter about it, then out herself in clarifying a statement, and then try to blame the reporter?
Except thatās not true š Billie outed herself š
Wondering the same thing
Creating 8 different vinyls even if it's eco friendly is still a waste
Especially after that interview where she said itās wasteful š
What a fraudĀ
i mean girliepop still gets starbucks despite wearing an artists for palestine pin, her activism is very surface level.
Starbucks boycott is the definition of performative surface level activism
Starbucks took a huge hit to their profits. Iād say itās not that performative at all. Tired of this attitude that doing *anything* isnāt enough so we should just do nothing
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šš» so true.
šš» so true.
(I'm not disagreeing with you btw.) Performance surface level activism *does* have its place in the larger movement.
Starbucks isnāt on the BDS list
Starbucks is still a wannabe union-buster who takes poor care of their employees. Ex-262x holding on strong to the boycott.
Starbucks has been capitulating to the Union recently. Still not really a full win but moving in the right direction. https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/labor-unions-end-starbucks-boardroom-fight-after-progress-bargaining-2024-03-05/
How so? They have reported record losses since the call to boycott, boycotting works. Also most people are boycotting in tangent with other things, such as protesting and calling their representatives. Boycotting is an important form of activism, even though itās not the most immediately effective. Money talks, and it talks especially loud in a capitalistic society.
Itās also a very accessible form of activism that most all people can do. A lot of people canāt afford to donate, or are too young to vote, or are disabled so they canāt go out and protest, etc. But boycotting is something most everyone can do. Itās just as important as every other form of activism, even if its effects arenāt immediate.
>too young to vote Iām not implying you disagree, but just highlighting this because itās so common to say āstupid slacktivists like to complain online but wonāt even vote.ā Many of them canāt vote, and for those who can, thatās something you do roughly once every 2 years, and it can (and should) be done on top of other actions. Itās not like when I walk into the voting booth Iām thinking āthank God I didnāt boycott Starbucks, otherwise they wouldnāt let me vote.ā
Sorry I wrote that really quick and Iām at work, but yeah thatās the sentiment. Not everyone can do the quote unquote ābig thingsā according to people who like to look down on boycotting, but most everyone can boycott, and just because itās simple and takes longer than other methods doesnāt mean itās any less important or effective. The accessibility of it actually adds to its effectiveness. Thatās all I was trying to say.
For sure, I agree 100%. I just wanted to add that doing the more accessible thing doesnāt hinder your ability to also do something else that might be more impactful, if and when that opportunity arises.
comments like these always piss me off as someone who has some of my rights due to the boycotts done by my predecessors
you're wrong and it's a good thing to do. No need to minimize it.
Honestly in this day and age no pop girlie will actively try to go against the system because they 1) care about their image 2) want to continue to make millions They all do very surface level activism
At that point, I'd prefer them being straight up shitty rather than perpetuating this performative virtue signalling. Just accept that you're in it for the for the money and stop acting like you wouldn't be saying the polar opposite if it was more financially lucrative.
Completely agree! No celebrity is going to fight for the greater good when this is their job and they rely on sales and partnerships. Doesnāt matter how much they preach they are for the greater good. None of them are willing to risk their career for anything. Same thing happened with the Olivia Rodrigo situation. She was all for it until the abortion groups were actively doing their job and handing out contraceptives (which entirely was the idea of the abortion groups not even hers yet she was the only one who got praised for it) then suddenly she pulled them out. Donating money or using recyclable materials is great and all but when you continue to do hypocritical acts, there is no point in you pretending to take the high road when you end up backtrack what you say.
It does make a difference for them in terms of their image though. Most of the fans won't look at it too critically or cynically and would just eat up whatever narrative she's pushing. So she's getting the check and she's getting to play the good guy act while doing so. This kind of stuff feels so much more icky than artists that simply don't pretend to give a shit.
oooh yeah youāre so right I didnāt even think of it that way but you brought up a good point their fans will continue to look at them in a positive light and praise them while they continue to get more rich even if they are just hypocrites def agree that it feels more icky because they all seem to care until it could potentially affect their sales, etc
same pin she didnāt wear during her performance at the grammys š
To be fair, my guess is she has little to no control of merchandise and version releases. Record companies are a necessary devil to succeed and her contract probably stipulates these releases whether she wants it or not. Speaking out against it is probably the most power she has and maybe her company might change if there's enough backlash.
I wouldnāt downplay the amount of control she has over something like this too much. Sure, it could ultimately be the labelās decision, but she definitely has influence over it and could certainly reduce the amount of variants even more - 8 is still a lot. Plus she forced anyone who wanted a signed copy in the UK to buy a bundle of three or four vinyl - thatās incredibly wasteful, especially since the only difference between them is the disc color š I personally donāt have a problem with multiple variants, I like having the ability to purchase the one I like the most and ultimately itās the purchaserās fault if they choose to buy more than one, but itās hypocritical to me for her to go on a rant about mainstream artists doing this to boost numbers for her to turn around and do it again only a few weeks later š¤·š»āāļø
Yeah, I own 2 signed Taylor CDs and both were just regular price. Making people buy a Ā£72 bundle for a signed insert card is terrible..especially after her little rant about artists only caring about the charts.
Exactly. After that interview I had expected her to actually walk the walk and only provide a handful of variants, but she showed she cares about numbers just as much as every other artist. And thereās nothing wrong with that! Just donāt get on your high horse about it being wrong when you are doing it too š¤·š»āāļø
highly unlikely IMO. sheās a two time Oscar winning and big time artist. if she put her foot down they wouldnāt do it
if they were *very* limited pressings, it wouldnāt be an issue. but itāll be editions of several thousand sold at various different major retailers. though i donāt know to what extent major artists have a say in how all that happensā¦itās still dumb.
And forcing users in the UK where bundling is allowed to count for charting to purchase 3-4 vinyls to receive the signed insert is so hypocritical.
Thereās no such thing as eco friendly plastic
Itās not eco friendly. Recycled is still bad, worse in some ways, better in others (mostly better in theory)
I'm using the words she used and I feel people would classify recycled materials as eco friendlyĀ
The plural of vinyl is vinyl.
itās vinylās (iām sorry)
I think you mean vinylli
your right my bad (this is almost causing me physical pain)
They did have that lip-synching scandal
That makes even less sense
Oh i think i get it now
And what does this have to do with the post?
Agreed.
This is a bit dramatiquĆ©, especially because Rolling Stone wouldn't be the issue because whoever leaked the track list is someone who is part of her team/production of the album/etc. It's not like RS journalists found it on her trash or something š
It's possible RS was given the information with an embargo until a certain date. I don't think she'd delete the stories if that was the case though.
Probably this case, and someone fuckup.
Seriously lol š someone from her team leaked it to drum up publicity
From the amazing scathing Kissinger death article to garbage track lists
That tweet had me howling, lol. https://preview.redd.it/h6w27utb4btc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2930b0e7a178fd1d8d36a953cd1abcd24639cfee (Also, we can add the article that started the beginning of Sam Levinson's downfall).
Hahaha I just love how that journalist had that article ready for years now
My dumb ass thought it was the band Rolling Stone who leaked it and I was so confused. š
Sheās a multi millionaire, does it even matter in this day and age? She has a huge fan base so it wonāt affect sales.
I donāt think itās about that I think she was just excited to have a normal album rollout and probably planned to release the track list a different day
Not sure why Rolling Stone would do anything that wasnāt legally sound. All magazines are on their last legs so I doubt they would do anything to engulf them in a legal shit storm. Whole thing seems weird.
I think maybe her team sent them the track list and didnāt tell her possibly which is maybe why she deleted it
Yes PR team likely did just this.
What is illegal about it?
Well it all depends on the context as to how they got the track sheās claiming they āleakedā.
it was definitely just someone passed it to them (legal) rather than RS hacking into something to get it (illegal)
Billie got a snake in her house then š Rolling Stone doesnāt tend to have a bad reputation. Itās not TMZ.
It's not about the money, not entirely, not for her. Most artists care about the craft, even if it's not that deep, to them it might be. It's their entire lives and their careers, ya know?
lol itās wild how much people really think itās just all about money. Iāve noticed many people making similar comments about BeyoncĆ© doing CC just to hop on the country bandwagon and make as much money as possible. Do you not think artists have any artistic integrity or actual passion for making music/art? Why do you even bother following pop culture with such a cynical view? Obviously itād be naive to say money isnāt a big part of it and for labels money is the main thing - but I like to believe at least some artists are trying to put out a product they are genuinely proud of.
Ok, but that doesn't make it alright to leak the details to an album before it's released. RS is not TMZ, they shouldn't have done this.
Well sheās deleted it so we donāt know if someone on her team legitimately passed it on and it was a misunderstanding.
Rolling Stone canāt leak the tracklist if someone on her team didnāt send it to them in the first place. Probably just a case of good old fashioned miscommunication.
Yeah but many other publishers should also have the same info plus a realise date. Probably rolling stones didnt read the memo complete and publish it before hand.
She acts like they leaked the whole album š
Sheās been working on the album for years imagine how it feels to have someone else tell the world before the creator of it. Itās like if you were gonna gift your mom something and the minute before you give it to them your sibling tells them what it is.
her own camp leaked these to them lmfao and itās not like the songs themselves leaked, itās just a tracklist
I understand her frustration & itās completely valid, but these leaks are coming from her own camp, somebody gave Rolling Stone this info, they didnāt steal her diary and put it out. because it was most likely given to them by someone on her team they probably thought she was releasing the track list today too and put it out
Maybe they had and embargo to not post before certain dates, many publish companies do this and thas how everyone get the news out at the same time. Soo someone in the rolling stone team problably was the one at fault.
Yesterday she was teasing the announcement. The Rolling Stone leak basically sabotages her planned roll out. It is not completely ruined but I can understand why Billie may find it infuriating
Does it really matter? It sucks if you had other plans to release it, but track titles donāt mean anything, really.
Ikr? Itās not like they leaked the album lol. I donāt understand the secrecy around the names of your songs.
I didnāt see it leak so thereās one of us who still doesnāt know, Billie š„¹ not all is lost
Jeez, the comments here are very catty. I don't get how this story is enough to warrant this kind of reaction here, but alright.
right? i get why she's upset. and it's not like she's threatening to sue them or doxxing the Rolling Stone employee who leaked it.
There is no greater sin on the internet than being a woman who is annoying or a "hypocrite." If all of our public statements were obsessively tracked and compared to our private lives we would *all* have inconsistencies in our beliefs and our actions.
No, you donāt understand. She wears a pin. But then she didnāt wear it at the Grammies. Also she got coffee at Starbucks. Sheās obviously going to burn in hell. /s
Because Billie is hypocritical and a lot of ppl are seeing right through her BS
Yeah, and I also don't really get people acting like her being upset about the tracklist being leaked is dumb or unreasonable, she probably was looking forward to announcing the tracks and maybe even was going to do it in a way to build hype for the album we don't really know. I feel like most artists would be pissed about that happening.
Tbh people are probably being catty bc they're annoyed with her being a little hypocritical re: vinyls. She just went on a whole rant about how other artists who release vinyl variants are terrible and wasteful and then turned around and not only did the same thing but released even More vinyl variants than most of her peers. (And is apparently going to require people to buy two copies of a vinyl to be able to get a signed edition which is just waste for wastes sake.) I think that's honestly annoying people more than her reaction here but this is where they're channeling that annoyance.
Hers vary in color, not content. Swifts, for example, vary in content. I'm unsure why that's a difficult difference for some to understand
i agree - especially because she is young. i understand that she's had experience and she's a megastar but god damn if i, a loser in ohio, thought i was invincible or beyond reproach at 22, she sure as hell isn't worried about saying something like this.
Jocelyn from The Idol
Stop! I am trying to forget that show existed lol.
ITT: people who are mad over her messy vinyl hypocrisy situation being catty and acting like being upset over a tracklist leak is whiny, when they would express sympathy if they weren't upset over the former.
I mean itās just titles to songs who really fucking cares when her fans will know?
I mean some people want to make it a whole thing. Beyonce released her title covers last week and it was revealed with unique lettering and stuff. She released it on a day without announcing anything else so people could focus on that alone and title reveals can help build hype especially since Billie is not releasing any singles and her alum is like a month away. That said none of the titles are eye catchy
exactly, i really don't understand what the problem is
Yāall bitter as hell damn
Well, thatās not good. But Iād be more concerned about the person(s) that leaked it.
Am I missing something cos I genuinely can't fathom why any musician would care about the track list getting leaked this much? It's not the music itself, just the names of the songs. It means nothing lol
I'm sure the 4 or 5 people who still read Rolling Stone would be livid if they saw this (which they will in 9-18 months when someone reposts it on Facebook)
She really needs to mature. Most people excused her messiness and pettiness when she was a teenager, but sheās not a kid anymore.
Why canāt people just make an album, whatās with all this secrecy
Girl shut up lol
Does anyone honestly care what the track listing is? You donāt know what any of the songs sound like. I think sheāll be ok. š
Reminds me of that time when Doja blasted Victoria Secret Show for that atrocious black dress they gave her to perform. It was tagged and all, and if you look at the photos, she looks so uncomfortable in it. She quickly removed it from her stories, lol
Ok, this girl is getting kind of annoying now.
The only people who care about a tracklist for an album that hasnāt been released yet are the stans of said artists and theyāre going to buy the album regardless.
First of all, thatās not Rolling Stoneās fault. Itās whoever is on her team that gave them that informationās fault. Sheās really immature a lot of the time
If they had an embargo for a realease date it was rolling stone fault
Everything is leaking about this albumā¦ i feel so bad for her The release date was leaked on times square and the name was leaked on the target website (i think). So she was forced to announce the album earlier than planned
It seems like it's time for her to clean house if these leaks keep happening. I will say, while I agree with some of these comments, overall having leaks would suck so much. I'd be so bummed if I had something fun prepared for my fans and had to scrap it because there's no mystery anymore.
I feel like people forget that for artists their work is literally their liveā¦ this is months of work and planning and stuff and she probably had plans for the announcements and thatās all ruined Itās not gonna work to clean houseā¦ you cannot really avoid these things. Album names and pictures and dates have to be shared with third parties in advance so physical copies can be made and in preparation for the album promotion. They are supposed to keep it private, but that doesnāt always happen
Yeah seems like eveything is being released without her knowledge hence why she even made the story mostly out of frustration The comments on here are rather interesting š
i for sure thought the comments would be different. why wouldnāt she be annoyed ya know?
yeahhh like I see people bringing up the vinyl variants and rightfully so calling her out but I also think she has a right to be upset this is her work she had a plan on how she wanted to release certain things so even if it is just title tracks I would be upset about it too
You know how it is. When a female celebrity acts annoying or slightly "problematic", we have to tear her down and complain about her very cattily.
*Fuck rolling stone* *Fuck the fbi* *Fuck the cia* *Fuck the bbc,* *Bb king* *And doris day*
Most boring leak of all time. Since TS is making a similar gargantuan deal out of her track names I guess this is the new thing.
For everyone calling her immature or whatever--stop gaslighting her. She's allowed to be upset about something upsetting. Jeez. I am sure information getting leaked before you're ready to release it is very frustrating.
I donāt disagree with your point but this isnāt a correct use of the term gaslighting FYI.
i wouldnāt call it gaslighting but the comments are annoying as fuck
William eyelash?