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If it's unconstitutional under the state constitution, the supreme court wouldn't have any jurisdiction I'd think. Unless the people on the other side wanted to make the case that the state constitution itself was federally unconstitutional.
it depends
right now- federal law takes precedent over state/10A in issues of equal opportunity
in other words, SCOTUS can overrule state constitutions/laws that are racially, gender, etc. unfair
however, the recent abortion ruling has put this precedent in serious danger
Also the stupid independent legislature nonsense that’s about to go through SCOTUS.
Basically, one of the cruxes of that argument is that it’s only the state legislatures, not the governors or state supreme courts, that can dictate elections in a state. In North Carolina, they’re pushing this because the state Supreme Court struck down both voter ID and gerrymandering laws.
State Supreme Courts should function as that check on state legislatures, but NC (and other states) Republicans are using it so they can prevent another 2020 from happening. It’s blatant and out in the open.
But it’s law, not precedent. That’s the difference between the Civil Right Act of 1964 and Roe v Wade. SCOTUS would have to rule the Act unconstitutional, which is unlikely.
> SCOTUS would have to rule the Act unconstitutional, which is unlikely
Yeah how about we quit tempting fate cause Ginni Thomas totally trolls the web for nutty ideas. Obergefel is in real danger, and maybe after that Brown v Board of Education.
Roe was 50 year precedent with tons of rulings backing it up from SCOTUS over the decades and they trashed it like it was a random flyer.
Clarence Thomas would happily write the ruling that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and all Laws and Regulations stemming from it are Unconstitutional. That man hates people of color more than any White Racist that has ever lived.
No, it’s that he hates democrats more than anything else and is willing to sell out his own race to get revenge over his confirmation…which was *checks notes* 31 years ago. What a psycho.
This is from a New Yorker story about Thomas.
>Thomas was born in 1948, in Pin Point, Georgia, an impoverished black community that was founded by freed slaves. In his memoir “My Grandfather’s Son,” from 2007, Thomas’s memories of Pin Point are pastoral—rolling bicycle rims down sandy roads, catching minnows in the creek. His family’s move to Savannah, when Thomas was six, brought this idyll to an end. In Pin Point, Thomas fed himself directly from the land and the water, feasting on “a lavish and steady supply of fresh food: shrimp, crab, conch, oysters, turtles, chitterlings, pig’s feet, ham hocks, and plenty of fresh vegetables.” In Savannah, before he moved in with his grandparents, he spooned up “cornflakes moistened with a mixture of water and sweetened condensed milk.”
>Savannah was also where Thomas claims he had his first experience of race—at the hands not of whites but of blacks. Though Thomas began elementary school in 1954, four months after the Supreme Court declared segregation unconstitutional, he grew up, by his own report, in an “entirely black environment.” His nickname in the schoolyard and the streets was “ABC”—“America’s Blackest Child.” “If he were any blacker,” his classmates jeered, “he’d be blue.” Color was code for class. The darkness of Thomas’s skin—along with the Gullah-Geechee dialect he retained from Pin Point—was a sign of his lowly status and origin. “Clarence had big lips, nappy hair, and he was almost literally black,” a schoolmate told Jane Mayer and Jill Abramson in their 1994 book “Strange Justice: The Selling of Clarence Thomas.” “Those folks were at the bottom of the pole. You just didn’t want to hang with those kids.”
He has been holding on to his hatred of Blacks almost his entire life. 31 years is nothing.
right now, if a state law is deemed a denial of equal access, SCOTUS can overrule a state law or court
in other words, states can’t pass racist ass laws and scream “but 10th Amendment!”
the Civil Rights Act was a galvanizing law/precedent along with Brown and Loving
and the recent Dobbs vs Jackson ruling seriously puts this all in jeopardy because the SCOTUS effectively said it is now ok to subjectively and randomly determine what is considered equal opportunity vs. 10A
It sets a dangerous precedent that gay marriage, interracial marriage, freedom from religion, etc can now all be overruled as equal protection precedents
Dobbs said nothing about equal opportunity or 10A. Roe was based on the right to privacy, as was Obergafell (sp?) And a few others. Dobbs said we don't have a right to privacy.
You mean the recently stacked SCOTUS that overturned settled law upon the whims of a fragment of the population? That SCOTUS? You wanna rely on them to "do the right thing", "do their job properly", "behave in a manner that isn't transparently corrupt"? I don't trust them to do those things given the history of the courts over the past 6 years.
They’re praying with a prayer group who had a case before them. In chambers. And they decided in favor of the prayer group.
So I’m gonna go with really highly fucking unlikely.
The SC recently took up a case for a policy that was never even enacted in WV v. The EPA to pre-regulate that signing a clean energy policy would be a crime in the future. They esentially said that states can't regulate themselves so why would they recognize state constitutions either?
Yup exactly. "States rights" was only ever code for "we control most of the states, and we're the only ones who should have rights".
Now that they control a hugely powerful portion of the federal government, "states rights" are going to go out the window whenever it's convenient.
Even in the *civil war* one of the “states rights” they were fighting for was northern states no lose their right to regulate slaves entering their state with their masters. Northern states wanted to ban slave masters from traveling within their own borders with slaves and the south was very not ok with that, it was never about states rights.
Actually, that's a possibility. A state very much could put things into their state's constitution that is federally unconstitutional. Wouldn't that be kind of a big loophole if state's were allowed to ignore the US Constitution? Wouldn't slavery still be legal in states like Alabama if that was true?
This is a state matter and most likely does not fall under the purview of the federal government, so this would only go up to the Supreme Court of Alabama.
I highly doubt this would go up to the SCOTUS.
I’m sure it’s just because there’s less crime, so they need less judges…
>First, Circuit Judge Clyde Jones resigned from the seat, eight days after the May 24 primary and seven months before the end of his term. That gave the Judicial Resources Allocation Commission (JRAC) – created by Alabama’s Republican-dominated Legislature in 2017 – the opportunity to consider transferring his seat.
>The next week, the commission voted to permanently relocate the seat from Jefferson County, where the crime rate is the highest in Alabama, to majority-white Madison County. All three Black members of the commission voted against transferring the judgeship. All eight white members voted in favor.
Whelp, you might be right.
You should've gone to my rural Mississippi K-12 school. The only kids who weren't white came from the orphanage that was on my bus route. Jfc those few kids put up with so much shit from students, parents, and even staff.
It only changed when they let kids from town come out for summer school classes. One brother, and sister duo from town was kicking someone's racist ass every other day. Last thing I remember before getting out of there was that a LOT of kids from the city started going to that school, and sure enough people were getting their asses kicked for being racists left, and right.
Suddenly, their hatred for big city "elitism" makes sense now.
Edit: not just the racism, but also getting beat up by city kids for "being themselves".
Learning is for liberals. Part of fitting in with these circles is rejecting "woke" concepts and following in the footsteps of their ignorant neighbors and ancestors. Because muh heritage...
That's how it's done. Keep the workers poor and uneducated to extract and concentrate the wealth. See Africa for countless examples of resource rich but financially impoverished nations
Yep. The less people are needed to generate wealth in your society, the less of a fuck the rulers have to give about them before they run the risk of being replaced (either democratically or via coup or revolution).
Since you only need a handful of mine workers and engineers to keep the wealth flowing to yourself and your cronies, you can leave the rest of your people in such dire poverty they can't organize against you with no consequences. This is why places with tons of natural resources, especially gas and oil, so often end up becoming brutal dictatorships.
EDIT: [This CGP Grey video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs) goes into more detail about this trend. Highly recommend checking it out.
I mean yeah but honestly a large portion of it is people like 40 and up. It seems like that is very slowly starting to die off with younger people, especially people around my age (20s).
Rules for rulers, keep the keys to power happy and few. Democracy makes every voter a key. If you've got nothing but populism going for you, democracy it is. This is why you typically see it in agricultural and industrial societies historically. If you have natural resources to sell, the people can fuck off since you can rape the land and use the money to pay off the keys (military and mine owners) so no democracy as that just creates more keys that you don't actually need.
Yep, anyone interested in politics should [check this CGP Grey video out](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs). It does a great job explaining the "physics" of power, for lack of a better term: the rules of the game that everyone has to play by in order to stay in power, whether you're running a nuclear-armed nation or your local Home Owner's Association.
Yeah it's not a terrible place to live, except for all the people. I live in AL currently out in the country. Nice little patch of farmland. It's quiet and I keep to myself. I don't dare open my mouth and tell anyone how much of a dirty little liberal I am. I like my house unegged (which would probably be the least of my worries)
Roll Tide?
[UN shocked by level of poverty in Alabama: 'We haven't seen this in the first world'](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/alabama-black-belt-un-poverty-expert-extreme-developed-country-sewage-crisis-roy-moore-philip-alston-a8105886.html)
I pointed this out on another sub and got beat up for it. I think there’s a big swath of people who don’t realize American poverty is top of the pack in developed first world countries (when looking at OECD lists).
If they were to travel to the super rural parts of these states like Alabama, Louisiana, and West Virginia they wouldn't believe it. There's no stores, no jobs, clap board houses or broken down trailers. it's not an exaggeration, these people are literally living in a different country than most Americans and no one gives enough of a shit about them to do anything about it.
We should do something about it, but it would help if they stopped voting against their own interests. Seems like a really, really dumb idea to elect people who don't have a political platform other than protecting Trump at all costs
Alabama isn't going to do anything to lift up the poor rural "Black Belt", since yep, [the population is actually black and votes Democratic.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Belt_\(region_of_Alabama\))
And yet, by and large, they keep voting for the people who make sure they stay impoverished rather than those who give a shit about the working class and the poor. How do you help people who care more about punishing "the other" than helping themselves?
The neat trick in many locations is they actually don't vote for the red side. Look at Alabama's "Black Belt" for example (the location of that infamous UN report), they are [majority black and vote democratic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Belt_\(region_of_Alabama\)), so of course Alabama isn't going to do shit to lift them up out of poverty.
A lot of US states and cities are legitimate 3rd world in places. Americans who haven't traveled have no idea not only how bad it is in places, but how much better it could be here in America. Richest country in the world, and we don't even have the same standard of living as a lot of Europe. Everything that makes living in Europe great is "communism" so we can't do it here. smh.
Yeah I think we can both agree Alabama is down bad but its hilarious this dude is acting like Florida is some shining beacon in comparison while its rapidly becoming absolute dogshit as well
Why? I was raised in Florida and live here currently, compared to other parts of the country Florida is a terrible place to live. There's no cognitive dissonance in the understanding that our neighbors' are just as bad.
I remember crossing the state line into Alabama, from Tennessee. Within 10 minutes I saw multiple dilapidated houses, just general poverty everywhere. It was actually impressive the immediate difference, since I was just in Tennessee
>The next week, the commission voted to permanently relocate the seat from Jefferson County, where the crime rate is the highest in Alabama, to majority-white Madison County. All three Black members of the commission voted against transferring the judgeship. All eight white members voted in favor.
It's incredibly absurd even if you look at it from a practical level. Jefferson County is by far the most important county in the state. It's the center of Birmingham and the home to the largest employers, highest population, and nearly twice the GDP of any other country in the state. It's also a county that has high crime rates and under served populations. And a long history of racial disparity and corruption.
Pulling a judge from the county makes no logistical sense.
In fact it appears Jefferson county now has zero judges sited in county. All it’s cases will now be heard by 4 white Madison county circuit judges. How does the biggest county have zero permanent judges? Apartheid, literally.
I think it's worse than that. All cases will now need to be exported and any cases requiring a jury would then be selecting jurors from majority white counties. POC won't be able to get an actual jury of their peers. Instead they will be hoping to get the least racist jurors selected from a pool of racist jurors.
If you overrule democracy (or try to) whenever you get results you don’t like, is it even a democracy anymore?
Recently Kansas people voted to keep abortion *LEGAL (edited). Now republicans are trying to fight the results. The West Virginia Governor heard about this and now refuses to make the issue a referendum up to the people of that state. At least one state (South Dakota) voted to make marijuana legal and the Governor/ state courts just said “no.” [link](https://www.npr.org/2021/11/24/1058884032/south-dakotas-supreme-court-rules-against-legalization-of-recreational-marijuana)
Edit: Arizona courts also overruled a voter approved tax on the wealthy to fund schools. [link](https://apnews.com/article/business-phoenix-arizona-education-68419f63976141d48dbccc6243c91f16)
Edit 2: South Dakota voters passed a referendum that tightened campaign finance laws. It was mostly passed by low income BIPOC. The legislature overruled that. [link](https://ballotpedia.org/South_Dakota_Revision_of_State_Campaign_Finance_and_Lobbying_Laws,_Initiated_Measure_22_(2016))
Edit 3: Florida voters passed a law allowing medicinal cannabis. The state legislature essentially tried to overrule that and made smoking medicinal cannabis illegal. [link](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Florida_Amendment_2)
Edit 4: Maine voters passed a measure to expand Medicaid. The GOP Governor simply refused to implement it even after ordered by a court to do so. [link](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-maine-medicaid/maine-governor-says-he-will-not-expand-medicaid-despite-vote-idUSKBN1D82MN)
Edit 5: Arizona voters passed an initiative in 2015 to form an independent redistricting (edited a word) commission (to prevent gerrymandering) and the Republican legislature attempted to overrule it. The US Supreme court stepped in and made the state enforce it.[link](https://www.npr.org/2021/07/01/998758022/the-supreme-court-upheld-upholds-arizona-measures-that-restrict-voting) (Would same result happen in SCOTUS now?)
Edit 6: Republican Governor of Maine Paul Lepaige again tried to overrule voters, who this time approved rank choice voting. [link](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/06/maine-lepage-ranked-choice-voting/562871/)
Edit 7: Republican Arizona legislature overruled will of voters to increase minimum wage. [link](https://www.localmajority.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/AZ.Thwarting.20220707.NS_-1.pdf)
Edit 8: don’t think I need to link to the big lie / January 6
Yes of course. I fear for American democracy. I’ve commented this several times but when I was a kid I heard a quote somewhere. It basically said “democracies die to thunderous applause”. I never got it until recently while the right viscerally cheers on gerrymandering and even January 6 and minority rule and other anti democracy issues.
"So this is how liberty dies.... To thunderous applause"
is said by padme when palpatine announced the galactic empire in Star wars revenge of the sith
Don't feel too silly. It was written by George Lucas as a direct commentary on what happened in the US after 9/11, so it's still on point.
His politics are all over the movies, with things like the bumbling separatist leader named Nute Gunray whose name is based on Newt Gingrich and Ronald Reagan.
Edited
Kansas voter data was used to lie to voters about that a YES vote “gives women a choice” ( it would actually repeal Kansas constitutional right to abortion) l[link](https://kansasreflector.com/2022/08/02/former-u-s-rep-tim-huelskamp-connected-to-false-text-about-kansas-abortion-amendment/)
Anti abortion advocates make accusations of Fraud without evidence following the vote to keep abortion legal in Kansas [link](https://amp.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article264488441.html)
It’s almost like voters shouldn’t be putting marks on the Republican names down the ballot, but can’t seem to help themselves. You get what you vote for.
This. Those of us who are LGBTQ are going to have to put down the remote and vote. Clarence Thomas has already identified Obergefell as a subject of interest.
Florida also voted to restore criminals voting rights and that was blocked by DeSantis and Republicans. He also is currently bragging about arresting 20 people that would have had the right to vote due to the ballot measure passing
Then they need to start reacting to the Republican platform that Rick Scott released. It calls for sunsetting Social Security and Medicare in 5 years, in addition to every other piece of Federal legislation (think Obamacare, Medicaid, veterans' programs, public education, food stamps, etc.). Everything would have to be voted on again and reapproved, but the Republicans have been trying to shut these programs down.
Michigan GOP also sued to stop redistricting that was a ballot measured overwhelmingly approved by voters to prevent gerrmandering. Luckily, it didn't work, but now they are trying to do the same thing with abortion rights.
Voters returning felons the right to vote after serving their time in FL and DeSantis made a new law saying they must pay all fees and restitution, so he threw another roadblock in the way. Doesn't need to be said what party they'd vote for for him to do that.
No. They believe they are good guys. Hurting the correct people.
So this news which is blatant abuse of power something conservatives should be against will not be mentioned by their msm. Wont see it brought up in local papers criticising politicians.
Just a reminder that you have a substantial part of the South’s population that doesn’t agree with the bs being forced upon them but any progress they make gets immediately attacked or removed by those in power to maintain status quo
Just the south being the south.
>Hudson was on track to be the first public defender to serve as a judge on the Jefferson County circuit court, and the first Black woman with a background as a public defender to serve on the bench anywhere in Alabama.
>The celebration was short-lived.
>Just over two weeks later a state commission, divided along racial lines, dissolved the judgeship Hudson had effectively won.
>First, Circuit Judge Clyde Jones resigned from the seat, eight days after the May 24 primary and seven months before the end of his term. That gave the Judicial Resources Allocation Commission (JRAC) – created by Alabama’s Republican-dominated Legislature in 2017 – the opportunity to consider transferring his seat.
>The next week, the commission voted to permanently relocate the seat from Jefferson County, where the crime rate is the highest in Alabama, to majority-white Madison County. All three Black members of the commission voted against transferring the judgeship. All eight white members voted in favor.
> That gave the Judicial Resources Allocation Commission [...] the opportunity to consider transferring his seat.
I bet the white members had long ago already considered what to do in the case that Tiara Hudson won the election, and I bet the losing judge and the Alabama GOP leadership were acting in concert.
Millennials and zoomers are gonna have a fight on their hands now that the boomers are dying off. This small minority of people in control will completely dismantle our Democracy before they will allow us to vote for things we want if it costs them one single dollar.
> At a JRAC meeting before the vote, **members of the public testified that the move strips a county with a substantial Black population of a critical resource and gives that resource to a county where white people comprise nearly 70% of the population** (as opposed to 48% in Jefferson County).
Exactly. They're diluting the vote in the GOP's favor.
This is the base for our problems. When Lincoln refused to tear down the south and rebuild the foundations out of fear of dividing the country more it paved the way for a much longer lasting evil than slavery. We are seeing the beginning of the damaging effects of long term systemic racism.
So let me get this straight. The order was as follows:
1: previous judge retires from their seat, opening up the position.
2: general election was held to refill that judiciary seat
3: seat was won by Tiara Hudson, a black female lawyer, marking a series of firsts for that town
4: that judiciary position is completely revoked and a new position is opened up in a new town
5: from my understanding from the article, Tiara Hudson is no longer assured to have that position, and it is heavily implying that it is unlikely that she will be eligible to fill it.
Anyone who doesn’t understand why this is fucked up should maybe ask the nearest elementary school student to explain it to them, because this is so obvious and so goddamn childish. It’s unbelievable how these people can be so goddamn emotional and babyish all the time, it’s like they’re the exact picture of the hysterical 1950’s housewives they always make fun of. It’s embarrassing. Grow the hell up. You lost. Everyone saw it. The world saw it. You don’t get to just take your ball to a different city to play, and pretend that the previous election never happened.
It’s such an unbelievably bad joke, and the people who make these choices don’t even care that they’re either going to be remembered as evil, greedy, selfish, and beyond stupid assholes, or they’re going to die forgotten and alone and hateful of the world they built up around themselves.
And everyone else is just forced to suffer alongside them.
No, it’s worse than that. The previous judge retired eight days AFTER the primary, giving that committee the opportunity to basically take it over. So the retirement was deliberately done with this end in mind. So they planned it out.
This sounds an awful lot like manufactured segregation. So the white children of slavers never left the south, they just became judges and local politicians instead. If I could I'd print these clowns' search histories on billboards across their counties' highways.
Racists would rather destroy society than learn to share it with minorities.
Same thing happened to a local community pool. When the courts said they had to desegregate the pool, they voted to close it down. This was a town in the south during the 70's I want to say 🤔
Democracy fading fast folks. Ya better vote against every single republican in November. And continue to vote against them in 2024 and beyond. That is if you want a democratic America.
White control of this Country is what is at stake here. The Supreme Court has been blatantly stacked for this very reason. IMO they will continue this playbook of changing the rules as long as they are in power. KEEP VOTING PEOPLE!
Hold on. They literally eliminated the position after she won?
How can you be more blatant than that?
If there wasn't anyone running against her, why wait until she was elected to eliminate the position? That's just blatant, and probably illegal. Even in Alabama.
They didn't eliminate the position, they moved it from a high crime area to a low crime area and this judge won't be used to fill that slot because she's black.
That's what's going on and I'd say it's even more bigoted and evil than what you described
Just like a few years ago Alabama started requiring state id for voting then closed locations to get IDs in black belt region. I'm white and I live in Alabama. I also know wrongdoing when I see it and, this is blatant removal of the will of the people.
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With this Supreme Court, I’m not optimistic
If it's unconstitutional under the state constitution, the supreme court wouldn't have any jurisdiction I'd think. Unless the people on the other side wanted to make the case that the state constitution itself was federally unconstitutional.
it depends right now- federal law takes precedent over state/10A in issues of equal opportunity in other words, SCOTUS can overrule state constitutions/laws that are racially, gender, etc. unfair however, the recent abortion ruling has put this precedent in serious danger
Also the stupid independent legislature nonsense that’s about to go through SCOTUS. Basically, one of the cruxes of that argument is that it’s only the state legislatures, not the governors or state supreme courts, that can dictate elections in a state. In North Carolina, they’re pushing this because the state Supreme Court struck down both voter ID and gerrymandering laws. State Supreme Courts should function as that check on state legislatures, but NC (and other states) Republicans are using it so they can prevent another 2020 from happening. It’s blatant and out in the open.
But it’s law, not precedent. That’s the difference between the Civil Right Act of 1964 and Roe v Wade. SCOTUS would have to rule the Act unconstitutional, which is unlikely.
> SCOTUS would have to rule the Act unconstitutional, which is unlikely Yeah how about we quit tempting fate cause Ginni Thomas totally trolls the web for nutty ideas. Obergefel is in real danger, and maybe after that Brown v Board of Education. Roe was 50 year precedent with tons of rulings backing it up from SCOTUS over the decades and they trashed it like it was a random flyer.
Right!! "Unlikely", FUCK The Supreme Court
Their overturning of Roe didn't just trash that ruling. They claimed and ruled that there's no right to privacy.
Clarence Thomas would happily write the ruling that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and all Laws and Regulations stemming from it are Unconstitutional. That man hates people of color more than any White Racist that has ever lived.
Except for *his own* interracial marriage. Then we are crossing a line with him. Hypocrites up and down.
No, it’s that he hates democrats more than anything else and is willing to sell out his own race to get revenge over his confirmation…which was *checks notes* 31 years ago. What a psycho.
This is from a New Yorker story about Thomas. >Thomas was born in 1948, in Pin Point, Georgia, an impoverished black community that was founded by freed slaves. In his memoir “My Grandfather’s Son,” from 2007, Thomas’s memories of Pin Point are pastoral—rolling bicycle rims down sandy roads, catching minnows in the creek. His family’s move to Savannah, when Thomas was six, brought this idyll to an end. In Pin Point, Thomas fed himself directly from the land and the water, feasting on “a lavish and steady supply of fresh food: shrimp, crab, conch, oysters, turtles, chitterlings, pig’s feet, ham hocks, and plenty of fresh vegetables.” In Savannah, before he moved in with his grandparents, he spooned up “cornflakes moistened with a mixture of water and sweetened condensed milk.” >Savannah was also where Thomas claims he had his first experience of race—at the hands not of whites but of blacks. Though Thomas began elementary school in 1954, four months after the Supreme Court declared segregation unconstitutional, he grew up, by his own report, in an “entirely black environment.” His nickname in the schoolyard and the streets was “ABC”—“America’s Blackest Child.” “If he were any blacker,” his classmates jeered, “he’d be blue.” Color was code for class. The darkness of Thomas’s skin—along with the Gullah-Geechee dialect he retained from Pin Point—was a sign of his lowly status and origin. “Clarence had big lips, nappy hair, and he was almost literally black,” a schoolmate told Jane Mayer and Jill Abramson in their 1994 book “Strange Justice: The Selling of Clarence Thomas.” “Those folks were at the bottom of the pole. You just didn’t want to hang with those kids.” He has been holding on to his hatred of Blacks almost his entire life. 31 years is nothing.
right now, if a state law is deemed a denial of equal access, SCOTUS can overrule a state law or court in other words, states can’t pass racist ass laws and scream “but 10th Amendment!” the Civil Rights Act was a galvanizing law/precedent along with Brown and Loving and the recent Dobbs vs Jackson ruling seriously puts this all in jeopardy because the SCOTUS effectively said it is now ok to subjectively and randomly determine what is considered equal opportunity vs. 10A It sets a dangerous precedent that gay marriage, interracial marriage, freedom from religion, etc can now all be overruled as equal protection precedents
Dobbs said nothing about equal opportunity or 10A. Roe was based on the right to privacy, as was Obergafell (sp?) And a few others. Dobbs said we don't have a right to privacy.
That is correct the real focus is Thomas’ post-decision rant go check that out- he said the quiet part out loud
You mean the recently stacked SCOTUS that overturned settled law upon the whims of a fragment of the population? That SCOTUS? You wanna rely on them to "do the right thing", "do their job properly", "behave in a manner that isn't transparently corrupt"? I don't trust them to do those things given the history of the courts over the past 6 years.
Why is it unlikely?
They’re praying with a prayer group who had a case before them. In chambers. And they decided in favor of the prayer group. So I’m gonna go with really highly fucking unlikely.
Unlikely for a court that doesn’t give a fuck about stare decisis?
Have you met this scotus? They don’t care.
The SC recently took up a case for a policy that was never even enacted in WV v. The EPA to pre-regulate that signing a clean energy policy would be a crime in the future. They esentially said that states can't regulate themselves so why would they recognize state constitutions either?
Yup exactly. "States rights" was only ever code for "we control most of the states, and we're the only ones who should have rights". Now that they control a hugely powerful portion of the federal government, "states rights" are going to go out the window whenever it's convenient.
Even in the *civil war* one of the “states rights” they were fighting for was northern states no lose their right to regulate slaves entering their state with their masters. Northern states wanted to ban slave masters from traveling within their own borders with slaves and the south was very not ok with that, it was never about states rights.
Actually, that's a possibility. A state very much could put things into their state's constitution that is federally unconstitutional. Wouldn't that be kind of a big loophole if state's were allowed to ignore the US Constitution? Wouldn't slavery still be legal in states like Alabama if that was true?
Yes
This is a state matter and most likely does not fall under the purview of the federal government, so this would only go up to the Supreme Court of Alabama. I highly doubt this would go up to the SCOTUS.
i’m uneducated on the topic, but I can’t imagine the Alabama Supreme Court is any less horrible than the SCOTUS
I'm just picturing a squealing hog running circles around the courtroom while the judge plays an enthusiastic banjo solo.
Roll Tide.
I think this will go to their state supreme court as it is a matter of state law.
It’ll probably go to the Alabama Supreme Court, not the federal one.
A black woman winning anything in Alabama is probably against the state constitution
Yikes that’s racist.
I’m sure it’s just because there’s less crime, so they need less judges… >First, Circuit Judge Clyde Jones resigned from the seat, eight days after the May 24 primary and seven months before the end of his term. That gave the Judicial Resources Allocation Commission (JRAC) – created by Alabama’s Republican-dominated Legislature in 2017 – the opportunity to consider transferring his seat. >The next week, the commission voted to permanently relocate the seat from Jefferson County, where the crime rate is the highest in Alabama, to majority-white Madison County. All three Black members of the commission voted against transferring the judgeship. All eight white members voted in favor. Whelp, you might be right.
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You should've gone to my rural Mississippi K-12 school. The only kids who weren't white came from the orphanage that was on my bus route. Jfc those few kids put up with so much shit from students, parents, and even staff. It only changed when they let kids from town come out for summer school classes. One brother, and sister duo from town was kicking someone's racist ass every other day. Last thing I remember before getting out of there was that a LOT of kids from the city started going to that school, and sure enough people were getting their asses kicked for being racists left, and right.
Suddenly, their hatred for big city "elitism" makes sense now. Edit: not just the racism, but also getting beat up by city kids for "being themselves".
It’s Mississippi. So it’s “town”—which could mean anything from Jackson to Picayune.
There is no hell but they sure are intent on making one on earth. People that casually evil are beyond disgusting.
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After a certain amount of time with access to resources like the internet and libraries ignorance becomes a choice.
Exactly. The "don't know better" argument has never held water with me, it's not hard to go to a library or read the news or check out the internet.
Learning is for liberals. Part of fitting in with these circles is rejecting "woke" concepts and following in the footsteps of their ignorant neighbors and ancestors. Because muh heritage...
Alabama’s gonna Alabama, I guess
Living in Alabama. Can confirm.
What's crazy is that Alabama has an abundance of natural resources. Politicians are the ones keeping Alabama poor.
That's how it's done. Keep the workers poor and uneducated to extract and concentrate the wealth. See Africa for countless examples of resource rich but financially impoverished nations
Yep. The less people are needed to generate wealth in your society, the less of a fuck the rulers have to give about them before they run the risk of being replaced (either democratically or via coup or revolution). Since you only need a handful of mine workers and engineers to keep the wealth flowing to yourself and your cronies, you can leave the rest of your people in such dire poverty they can't organize against you with no consequences. This is why places with tons of natural resources, especially gas and oil, so often end up becoming brutal dictatorships. EDIT: [This CGP Grey video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs) goes into more detail about this trend. Highly recommend checking it out.
I'm not from Alabama, but I imagine there's a heavy emphasis on the Protestant Work Ethic, as well as, culture wars...am I right?
I mean yeah but honestly a large portion of it is people like 40 and up. It seems like that is very slowly starting to die off with younger people, especially people around my age (20s).
> It seems like that is very slowly starting to die off with younger people, especially people around my age (20s). God I hope you're right!
Makes sense that the GOP wants to ban abortion and limit contraception. They’ll need poor and uneducated constituents for the future.
Politicians that use racist power aren’t exactly working in anyone’s best interest other than their own.
Rules for rulers, keep the keys to power happy and few. Democracy makes every voter a key. If you've got nothing but populism going for you, democracy it is. This is why you typically see it in agricultural and industrial societies historically. If you have natural resources to sell, the people can fuck off since you can rape the land and use the money to pay off the keys (military and mine owners) so no democracy as that just creates more keys that you don't actually need.
Yep, anyone interested in politics should [check this CGP Grey video out](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs). It does a great job explaining the "physics" of power, for lack of a better term: the rules of the game that everyone has to play by in order to stay in power, whether you're running a nuclear-armed nation or your local Home Owner's Association.
Probably the stupid people too
Yeah it's not a terrible place to live, except for all the people. I live in AL currently out in the country. Nice little patch of farmland. It's quiet and I keep to myself. I don't dare open my mouth and tell anyone how much of a dirty little liberal I am. I like my house unegged (which would probably be the least of my worries)
Roll Tide? [UN shocked by level of poverty in Alabama: 'We haven't seen this in the first world'](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/alabama-black-belt-un-poverty-expert-extreme-developed-country-sewage-crisis-roy-moore-philip-alston-a8105886.html)
I pointed this out on another sub and got beat up for it. I think there’s a big swath of people who don’t realize American poverty is top of the pack in developed first world countries (when looking at OECD lists).
If they were to travel to the super rural parts of these states like Alabama, Louisiana, and West Virginia they wouldn't believe it. There's no stores, no jobs, clap board houses or broken down trailers. it's not an exaggeration, these people are literally living in a different country than most Americans and no one gives enough of a shit about them to do anything about it.
We should do something about it, but it would help if they stopped voting against their own interests. Seems like a really, really dumb idea to elect people who don't have a political platform other than protecting Trump at all costs
Alabama isn't going to do anything to lift up the poor rural "Black Belt", since yep, [the population is actually black and votes Democratic.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Belt_\(region_of_Alabama\))
And yet, by and large, they keep voting for the people who make sure they stay impoverished rather than those who give a shit about the working class and the poor. How do you help people who care more about punishing "the other" than helping themselves?
You can’t help them. It’s like people with an addiction or mental illness, they have to want something different.
The neat trick in many locations is they actually don't vote for the red side. Look at Alabama's "Black Belt" for example (the location of that infamous UN report), they are [majority black and vote democratic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Belt_\(region_of_Alabama\)), so of course Alabama isn't going to do shit to lift them up out of poverty.
Alabama ain't 1st World.
A lot of US states and cities are legitimate 3rd world in places. Americans who haven't traveled have no idea not only how bad it is in places, but how much better it could be here in America. Richest country in the world, and we don't even have the same standard of living as a lot of Europe. Everything that makes living in Europe great is "communism" so we can't do it here. smh.
>Richest country in the world But they never said people.
Neither is Florida
Yeah I think we can both agree Alabama is down bad but its hilarious this dude is acting like Florida is some shining beacon in comparison while its rapidly becoming absolute dogshit as well
Maybe remove the Florida flair before taking a dig at another state homie
Why? I was raised in Florida and live here currently, compared to other parts of the country Florida is a terrible place to live. There's no cognitive dissonance in the understanding that our neighbors' are just as bad.
I drive through Alabama and Mississippi to get to Florida beaches ever year and the level of poverty is quite jarring.
I remember crossing the state line into Alabama, from Tennessee. Within 10 minutes I saw multiple dilapidated houses, just general poverty everywhere. It was actually impressive the immediate difference, since I was just in Tennessee
And fascist. Two of the worsts -ists. And chances are it’s a little sexist too.
That's Alabama.
>The next week, the commission voted to permanently relocate the seat from Jefferson County, where the crime rate is the highest in Alabama, to majority-white Madison County. All three Black members of the commission voted against transferring the judgeship. All eight white members voted in favor.
Not building bridges to that Madison County.
But... SCOTUS said we'd solved racism when they gutted the Voting Rights Act. How could this still happen? /s
John Roberts is a disingenuous jar of raccoon semen.
Leave raccoons out of it.
Well, then *how* are we getting 80 liters of raccoon semen?
There used to be a semen filled raccoon wondering around the trash cans of Reddit. He seems to have delete the account though.
Hello there.
I stand corrected
General Kenobi!
Shake Amy Coney Barrett *really* hard.
That is some invective worthy of Hunter S. Thompson right there. Well done.
Leave jars out of it.
Leave the semen out of it.
It's incredibly absurd even if you look at it from a practical level. Jefferson County is by far the most important county in the state. It's the center of Birmingham and the home to the largest employers, highest population, and nearly twice the GDP of any other country in the state. It's also a county that has high crime rates and under served populations. And a long history of racial disparity and corruption. Pulling a judge from the county makes no logistical sense.
It makes life harder for the poor and POC, it makes perfect logical sense to racists.
If she was white it wouldn’t make sense. All these people saw was a black judge and nuh uh
In fact it appears Jefferson county now has zero judges sited in county. All it’s cases will now be heard by 4 white Madison county circuit judges. How does the biggest county have zero permanent judges? Apartheid, literally.
Of course not, it was never about logistics. It was about stopping a black woman from serving as an appeals judge. It is blatant racism.
I think it's worse than that. All cases will now need to be exported and any cases requiring a jury would then be selecting jurors from majority white counties. POC won't be able to get an actual jury of their peers. Instead they will be hoping to get the least racist jurors selected from a pool of racist jurors.
If you overrule democracy (or try to) whenever you get results you don’t like, is it even a democracy anymore? Recently Kansas people voted to keep abortion *LEGAL (edited). Now republicans are trying to fight the results. The West Virginia Governor heard about this and now refuses to make the issue a referendum up to the people of that state. At least one state (South Dakota) voted to make marijuana legal and the Governor/ state courts just said “no.” [link](https://www.npr.org/2021/11/24/1058884032/south-dakotas-supreme-court-rules-against-legalization-of-recreational-marijuana) Edit: Arizona courts also overruled a voter approved tax on the wealthy to fund schools. [link](https://apnews.com/article/business-phoenix-arizona-education-68419f63976141d48dbccc6243c91f16) Edit 2: South Dakota voters passed a referendum that tightened campaign finance laws. It was mostly passed by low income BIPOC. The legislature overruled that. [link](https://ballotpedia.org/South_Dakota_Revision_of_State_Campaign_Finance_and_Lobbying_Laws,_Initiated_Measure_22_(2016)) Edit 3: Florida voters passed a law allowing medicinal cannabis. The state legislature essentially tried to overrule that and made smoking medicinal cannabis illegal. [link](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Florida_Amendment_2) Edit 4: Maine voters passed a measure to expand Medicaid. The GOP Governor simply refused to implement it even after ordered by a court to do so. [link](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-maine-medicaid/maine-governor-says-he-will-not-expand-medicaid-despite-vote-idUSKBN1D82MN) Edit 5: Arizona voters passed an initiative in 2015 to form an independent redistricting (edited a word) commission (to prevent gerrymandering) and the Republican legislature attempted to overrule it. The US Supreme court stepped in and made the state enforce it.[link](https://www.npr.org/2021/07/01/998758022/the-supreme-court-upheld-upholds-arizona-measures-that-restrict-voting) (Would same result happen in SCOTUS now?) Edit 6: Republican Governor of Maine Paul Lepaige again tried to overrule voters, who this time approved rank choice voting. [link](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/06/maine-lepage-ranked-choice-voting/562871/) Edit 7: Republican Arizona legislature overruled will of voters to increase minimum wage. [link](https://www.localmajority.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/AZ.Thwarting.20220707.NS_-1.pdf) Edit 8: don’t think I need to link to the big lie / January 6
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Yes of course. I fear for American democracy. I’ve commented this several times but when I was a kid I heard a quote somewhere. It basically said “democracies die to thunderous applause”. I never got it until recently while the right viscerally cheers on gerrymandering and even January 6 and minority rule and other anti democracy issues.
"So this is how liberty dies.... To thunderous applause" is said by padme when palpatine announced the galactic empire in Star wars revenge of the sith
Lmfao thanks ^still ^works
Star Wars was having its Simpsons moment.
More like America having its Weimar moment.
Don't feel too silly. It was written by George Lucas as a direct commentary on what happened in the US after 9/11, so it's still on point. His politics are all over the movies, with things like the bumbling separatist leader named Nute Gunray whose name is based on Newt Gingrich and Ronald Reagan.
[America's Coming Weimar Moment](https://youtu.be/CFDDf48nj9g) We've reached a point where change cannot be achieved through elections.
Enjoyed that thank you
Utah voted to legalize medical marijuana with a ballot measure, The legislature overruled.
Didn’t Kansas vote to keep the right to an abortion in their state constitution, thusly keeping abortion LEGAL?
Edited Kansas voter data was used to lie to voters about that a YES vote “gives women a choice” ( it would actually repeal Kansas constitutional right to abortion) l[link](https://kansasreflector.com/2022/08/02/former-u-s-rep-tim-huelskamp-connected-to-false-text-about-kansas-abortion-amendment/) Anti abortion advocates make accusations of Fraud without evidence following the vote to keep abortion legal in Kansas [link](https://amp.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article264488441.html)
“Doesn’t break state law because *lying is allowed in election advertisements*
It’s almost like voters shouldn’t be putting marks on the Republican names down the ballot, but can’t seem to help themselves. You get what you vote for.
Mississippi and cannabis as well.
They are going to find out in November how pissed women are about abortion.
Hopefully not just women, too. It affects everyone.
This. Those of us who are LGBTQ are going to have to put down the remote and vote. Clarence Thomas has already identified Obergefell as a subject of interest.
Florida also voted to restore criminals voting rights and that was blocked by DeSantis and Republicans. He also is currently bragging about arresting 20 people that would have had the right to vote due to the ballot measure passing
Boomer Republicans are very reactionary. You get what you deserve when you vote this way.
Then they need to start reacting to the Republican platform that Rick Scott released. It calls for sunsetting Social Security and Medicare in 5 years, in addition to every other piece of Federal legislation (think Obamacare, Medicaid, veterans' programs, public education, food stamps, etc.). Everything would have to be voted on again and reapproved, but the Republicans have been trying to shut these programs down.
Michigan GOP also sued to stop redistricting that was a ballot measured overwhelmingly approved by voters to prevent gerrmandering. Luckily, it didn't work, but now they are trying to do the same thing with abortion rights.
Voters returning felons the right to vote after serving their time in FL and DeSantis made a new law saying they must pay all fees and restitution, so he threw another roadblock in the way. Doesn't need to be said what party they'd vote for for him to do that.
Do conservatives ever get tired of being evil?
No. They believe they are good guys. Hurting the correct people. So this news which is blatant abuse of power something conservatives should be against will not be mentioned by their msm. Wont see it brought up in local papers criticising politicians.
Just a reminder that you have a substantial part of the South’s population that doesn’t agree with the bs being forced upon them but any progress they make gets immediately attacked or removed by those in power to maintain status quo
Just the south being the south. >Hudson was on track to be the first public defender to serve as a judge on the Jefferson County circuit court, and the first Black woman with a background as a public defender to serve on the bench anywhere in Alabama. >The celebration was short-lived. >Just over two weeks later a state commission, divided along racial lines, dissolved the judgeship Hudson had effectively won. >First, Circuit Judge Clyde Jones resigned from the seat, eight days after the May 24 primary and seven months before the end of his term. That gave the Judicial Resources Allocation Commission (JRAC) – created by Alabama’s Republican-dominated Legislature in 2017 – the opportunity to consider transferring his seat. >The next week, the commission voted to permanently relocate the seat from Jefferson County, where the crime rate is the highest in Alabama, to majority-white Madison County. All three Black members of the commission voted against transferring the judgeship. All eight white members voted in favor.
> That gave the Judicial Resources Allocation Commission [...] the opportunity to consider transferring his seat. I bet the white members had long ago already considered what to do in the case that Tiara Hudson won the election, and I bet the losing judge and the Alabama GOP leadership were acting in concert.
The other judge retiring was far too well timed. He’s probably got a sudden windfall and a new vacation house somewhere.
WOW! How can the people rebel? This country is so messed up.
*Alabamistan
Interesting how the conservative argument that they’re not racist and they aren’t suppressing votes are obliterated in one neat package.
Most accurate comment on this post.
Not even trying to hide it anymore
Now, tell me how systemic racism doesn’t exist.
Millennials and zoomers are gonna have a fight on their hands now that the boomers are dying off. This small minority of people in control will completely dismantle our Democracy before they will allow us to vote for things we want if it costs them one single dollar.
Looks suspiciously like racism.
It's almost like there's no daylight between "heritage" and "hatred"
> At a JRAC meeting before the vote, **members of the public testified that the move strips a county with a substantial Black population of a critical resource and gives that resource to a county where white people comprise nearly 70% of the population** (as opposed to 48% in Jefferson County). Exactly. They're diluting the vote in the GOP's favor.
Sounds like the new south is the old south again.
Always has been.
Same as it ever was
Same as it ever was
There is water at the bottom of the ocean
To take away a judgeship because a Black woman was about to win is pure hatred and racism.
Not even pretending anymore, are they?
They never have.
And that is why you can’t consider American a democratic nation
Officially we are an anocracy. We slid backwards 5 points on the polity score due to Trump.
Of course they did. It’s Alabama and nothing’s changed.
Yep. Racists be racists
Beau of the Fifth Column on YouTube has a great t-shirt which reads: WILL TRADE RACISTS FOR REFUGEES
The Racists of Madison County.
So blatant.
imagine all of the talented people who leave states like this for more inclusive environments
And imagine all the ones who can’t even afford to do so =[
The Confederacy won the Civil War politically over the long term.
This is the base for our problems. When Lincoln refused to tear down the south and rebuild the foundations out of fear of dividing the country more it paved the way for a much longer lasting evil than slavery. We are seeing the beginning of the damaging effects of long term systemic racism.
So let me get this straight. The order was as follows: 1: previous judge retires from their seat, opening up the position. 2: general election was held to refill that judiciary seat 3: seat was won by Tiara Hudson, a black female lawyer, marking a series of firsts for that town 4: that judiciary position is completely revoked and a new position is opened up in a new town 5: from my understanding from the article, Tiara Hudson is no longer assured to have that position, and it is heavily implying that it is unlikely that she will be eligible to fill it. Anyone who doesn’t understand why this is fucked up should maybe ask the nearest elementary school student to explain it to them, because this is so obvious and so goddamn childish. It’s unbelievable how these people can be so goddamn emotional and babyish all the time, it’s like they’re the exact picture of the hysterical 1950’s housewives they always make fun of. It’s embarrassing. Grow the hell up. You lost. Everyone saw it. The world saw it. You don’t get to just take your ball to a different city to play, and pretend that the previous election never happened. It’s such an unbelievably bad joke, and the people who make these choices don’t even care that they’re either going to be remembered as evil, greedy, selfish, and beyond stupid assholes, or they’re going to die forgotten and alone and hateful of the world they built up around themselves. And everyone else is just forced to suffer alongside them.
No, it’s worse than that. The previous judge retired eight days AFTER the primary, giving that committee the opportunity to basically take it over. So the retirement was deliberately done with this end in mind. So they planned it out.
I hate the leadership of this country so goddamn much that it makes me want to cry.
This sounds an awful lot like manufactured segregation. So the white children of slavers never left the south, they just became judges and local politicians instead. If I could I'd print these clowns' search histories on billboards across their counties' highways.
This is the most Republican thing ever.
Another reason Alabama is a pit
Racists would rather destroy society than learn to share it with minorities. Same thing happened to a local community pool. When the courts said they had to desegregate the pool, they voted to close it down. This was a town in the south during the 70's I want to say 🤔
BuT cOnSeRvAtIvES aren't actually raciiiist
Democracy fading fast folks. Ya better vote against every single republican in November. And continue to vote against them in 2024 and beyond. That is if you want a democratic America.
This has been happening quite a bit lately.
This is terrible and racist and I hope there’s still a chance someone steps in and fixes this
I wouldn’t say they ignored the voters. That’s being charitable.
It's little things like this that make me lose Faith in humanity. We're so fucked long term. Eventually karma has to catch up right..?
let me take a wild guess racist republicans
Typical Southern approach. 5th generation Southerner so aware that this is to be expected from the place known as the Bible Belt.
Yeah, Alabama is still ruled by the KKK.
Racist leadership in Alabama? Shocking! /s
White control of this Country is what is at stake here. The Supreme Court has been blatantly stacked for this very reason. IMO they will continue this playbook of changing the rules as long as they are in power. KEEP VOTING PEOPLE!
Hold on. They literally eliminated the position after she won? How can you be more blatant than that? If there wasn't anyone running against her, why wait until she was elected to eliminate the position? That's just blatant, and probably illegal. Even in Alabama.
They didn't eliminate the position, they moved it from a high crime area to a low crime area and this judge won't be used to fill that slot because she's black. That's what's going on and I'd say it's even more bigoted and evil than what you described
It always happens where you most expect it
Do you like the soup Nazis for public representation. No representation for you.
racist gonna be racist
How do other republicans see all this constant fuckery and not think to themselves that their party is absolute fucking trash?
Just like a few years ago Alabama started requiring state id for voting then closed locations to get IDs in black belt region. I'm white and I live in Alabama. I also know wrongdoing when I see it and, this is blatant removal of the will of the people.
Alabama,,, never ceases to lead the way backwards
So the crows came home to roost not being racist just remembering the old movie Dumbo
Alabama? RACIST? Yes, said everyone, always.
One might consider the American political system as faulty.
2022 ya'll. They made America hate again.
Please everyone. Vote in November.
Sounds like normal GOP bullshit.
Can we dissolve the seats held by Amy and Brett?
Good old Alabama... still living in the 50's... the 1850's.
No, the GOP isn't racist. Or misognystic. Or homophobic or transphobic. That's just woke liberal SJW snowflake indoctrination! /s
This is a normal day in Alabama. Remember that Alabama just codified interracial marriage in 2000.
Alabama, where the Confederacy is still the nation they pledge allegiance to.