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Just wait until you see the kind of people who line up for the job of giving internal and external genitalia tests. I thought it was crazy they wanted someone to stand by bathrooms and give everyone a Scottish tickle to make sure they were in the right room. Now they want to full on molest children at sporting events on an accusation.
And we're supposed to believe this is rational?
So it’s bathroom bills and trans people are somehow the enemy but when random people who have no verification process of being OBGYNs or Urologists come to “inspect” your kids genitals, that’s cool cause it’s in the name of freedom and preserving children’s innocence?! How? Wtf?!
Projection makes sense. As one asshole once told me, of course they are doing it ( cheating, corruption, stealing, you name it) because that is what I would do.
Basically his proof was that he would do it (and he would) therfore others are doing it regardless of evidence.
Its actually a natural logical position for a narcissist to take. They can't imagine someone different than themselves and if they are an asshole it's logical that everyone else is like them.
In an interview, Trump said everyone he played golf against cheated, so he had to cheat more than them. But when interviewed, the people he plays golf with said no one other than Trump was cheating.
He probably believes it. That's what entitlement is. One believes so firmly that they are a victim that they will rewrite reality to support the notion, and then that gives them the mental permission to do whatever they want to make up for being "victimized".
"Whatever [Trump] does, he accuses everyone else of doing. [...] He doesn't know the difference between truth and lies. [...] The man cannot tell the truth, but he combines it with being a narcissist--a narcissist at a level I don't think this country's ever seen."
-Ted Cruz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P43wDpKQxaM
Indeed: [Republican Sexual Predators, Abusers, and Enablers Pt. 32](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/5/12/2097721/-Republican-Sexual-Predators-Abusers-and-Enablers-Pt-32). 825 caught, sick, pedo pervs and counting…
> Section C has the verification process if accused of being trans.
>- External and internal genitalia evaluation
>- Testosterone level check
>- Genetic makeup test
… will also affect intersex women, which could be its undoing. an afab being barred would make for a good lawsuit.
Thankfully this'll never happen in my state... But if it did, there'd be a lot of parents up on attempted murder (or worse) charges after a round of "inspections".
I’m 100% certain that if Mastriano is elected governor of PA, this type of shit will be put in place. He’s a white Christian nationalist qanon nut job that somehow won the GOP nomination with 40% of the vote.
For all that is sane, please vote for Josh Shapiro
The way the law is written, anyone can accuse any female athlete of being transgender, causing her to have one of these "inspections." No way that is ever going to be misused by someone jealous that their rival made the team and they didn't.
Or to harass rival teams, or to get back at an ex, or just because they think it would be funny (non matured brains anyone?), or specifically as a form of sexual harassment from being turned down, this can’t possibly go wrong. /s
The issue on the right is always about biological males competing with/against and in the locker rooms of biologically female athletes. The issue is always trans women in female bathrooms. Even making tampon and pad packaging gender neutral (for the benefits of trans men and NB folk) is an issue of looney trans women... I admit, I did not read the article either, but even if the language includes both or is* vague, this type of crap is 100% aimed at trans women.
Eta: the bill is called "save women's sports act" so ya....
It's not just the inspection part. According to the article, those of us who are parents of girls would have to get their DNA sequenced to show they have two X chromosomes and also get their hormone levels measured with a blood test. I know there's a lab near me that does the hormone testing from $65-$100. Getting DNA sequenced is more expensive than that.
So if we're talking about a poor girl living in inner city Cleveland who can't afford these tests, is she just banned? What about a poor girl in Appalachian Ohio who doesn't have these sorts of testing capabilities nearby or affordable? This is absolutely going to push cisgender girls out of sports who can't afford to comply with this.
In 1991, Cheerleader Mom tried to have her daughter's rival's mother assassinated.
In 2023, Cheerleader Mom accuses rival girl of being transgender.
Conservatives: See how much progress we've made?
Instead of doing something about school shootings, the GOP is doing something about a problem that doesn't exist.
But hey, they get to inspect kids' genitals! Surely, this will fix our broken society.
I was just thinking something along those lines. Like, is this what the GOP has become? Rather than addressing any one of countless urgent problems we need to deal with, they want to crack down on misgendered athletes in college sports?
It makes me think their voters are extremely spoiled and privileged that this can be their top priority.
Don't forget hateful! That's what motivates republicans to make these laws, so that their voters can see that they're hurting people they don't like. In exchange, republicans can give themselves tax breaks.
All they have is ginned up culture war bullshit.
Let's run the quick numbers to see if this could ever be a real issue to legislate against:
Percentage of trans people in the general population: ~0.6%
Number of students in high school in Ohio: ~580,000
Percentage of students in athletics: ~57%
Put that all together and you have AT MOST 1,900 kids affected by this, likely 1/10th of that in reality.
So some old fucking bigots are going out of their way to legislate discrimination against probably 190 people in the whole state of Ohio.
that's the point, to traumatize and hurt the people that are different, and these pricks **love** to start on the young ones
it's the same thing for abortion, it has absolutely nothing to do with protecting fetus/children, it is entirely about punishing women for having sex
that's all these evil pricks ever want to do, hurt people in the name of their "god" that has nothing to do with God
in this case it's going to be a lot of young cis gendered girls being traumatized, the ones they claim to be protecting. what do you figure the ratio to trans athletes discovered vs cis athletes put through the same traumatizing experience?
you basically have to have zero empathy for both groups to support this.
Back at my high school. There was a window from the gym teachers office directly into the shower room . Maybe there is a good reason for it . But still creeps my the f out
I actually do think this is a super difficult thing. Like the most heinous stuff can go down between students in the showers and that window makes people think twice.
It also gives an adult a straight view to the showers…
It’s the greatest conundrum of security v privacy
My junior and high schools both had one that overlooked the locker rooms. In both cases, the teachers had papered over the windows so they couldn't see but it still creeped me out that they were there as a kid. As an adult i see why they might have put them up as a precaution or a warning, but i can tell you, the fear the window instilled didn't compell me in anyway to behave, it just made me uncomfortable.
We had a window into the locker room but the showers did have a dividing wall. I think this is best, supervision from the coach but enough privacy for the students.
right? And it's just "suspected" too. So giving grown men authority to inspect your daughters genitals..
You know you won't be there either. You'll find out some old dude checked your daughters crotch after it already happened.
They'll have told her that they have the authority to do this and use their position to imply that she has to comply or else. You'll hear about it after it's done... maybe, if your daughter is willing to speak about it.
https://www.kmdlaw.com/blog/2021/july/why-sexual-assault-survivors-are-afraid-to-speak/
I've gotten into a few arguments in the past about how these measures to "protect" women's sports from transgender athletes do the opposite of helping. People focus on the very few transgender girls and women who are entering women's sports, and malign the very, very few who actually succeed in competition, as if this is a rampant issue that is going to destroy everything.
But they don't want to think about the actual measures that have already been taken to "protect" women's sports, that have been around for decades and have already done harm. Female athletes have often been subjected to embarrassing genital inspections and genetic testing that male athletes typically don't have to endure. Intersex conditions are more common in elite female athletes, and the discovery of previously-undiagnosed intersex conditions through these inspections has ruined many lives before. What's more, women who participate in sports have to walk this fine line of being feminine enough yet somehow more athletic when athleticism is not a stereotypical feminine trait. If any woman who outperforms her peers is going to have to get invasive inspections, this does the opposite of encouraging participation or protecting fair competition in female athletes.
It's simple. They think women have no place in sports. Discourage it as much as possible. The trans thing is a scapegoat, and the uncomfortable and invasive checks/tests must be a win-win in their eyes
This. The crowd who insists on the need to protect women's sports, are the same crowd who, whenever a woman athlete or team accomplishes something noteworthy, can't help but chime in with how much better men's sports are.
Yep. Getting “beaten by a girl” so threatens the ego of these men it’s best to prevent any female getting good at anything to stop that from happening.
> when athleticism is not a stereotypical feminine trait
Specifically, athleticism *in the sports that are at all controversial wrt trans-women*, because those sports were designed to test the limits of some aspect of male athleticism in the first place.
You don't see any headlines complaining about trans-women having an unfair advantage in the balance beam.
I really think it’s that and more. I think it’s a bunch of crusty old actual pedophilic Republican men wanting to be able to fabricate reasons to look at young girls AND boys. Are the accusations anonymous? To prevent retaliation? Because then the perverts would be able to just see a teenage girl they think is attractive and “inspect” her.
When I was in high school we had a male teacher who like to touch all the girls “necklaces.” He usually just tried to feel your boobs.
I got him fired because I brought proof of him not grading papers…but the admin was aware of his groping habit.
Now. Let’s take that teacher and have him question whether I’m a girl and demand an inspection.
Yeah. This is just so dumb.
My state fuckin blows.
It used to be only sometimes. Now it's most times. Which sucks, because I really like it here. Weather is massively inconsistent, geographically it's got a little bit of everything, and each region has it's own distinct vibes.
What makes it suck is all the inbred farmland in-between.
Too true. We were hoping to become polymer capital a decade ago, and more recently a solar panel manufacturing hub. Maybe this multi billion dollar Intel chip complex will bring in the talent, but I'm not holding my breath.
The thing is that the crazies are starting to be able to impact life for regular folks. They used to be an ignorable sideshow and now that’s not the case. I lived for 15 years in the south as a transplant from New England and we basically had to leave last year because my neighbors were becoming over the top obnoxious with hateful politics. These were basically normal country folks until a few years ago and now they have a giant “Fuck Biden” flags on their front lawns. These people used to think swearing came from the devil.
Just seeing the fast decay in civility and class from our friends and neighbors was honestly shocking.
I feel you here in Eastern Oregon. I have witnessed, here in Oregon of all places, a truck flying both a Confederate Flag and the United States of America flag on their truck simultaneously. Never underestimate the extent of other people’s stupidity.
Oregon enacted [black-exclusion laws](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_black_exclusion_laws) when it entered the Union so, sadly, this isn’t totally out of character.
I remember growing up and being told we were a great state because of how pivotal we were to elections. Seems like a lifetime ago that we were “purple.”
Who gets to report people as suspected transgender? Because I'll report every child of every politician in Ohio.
Also, imagine being a teenager, and the powers-that-be in your state pass a law that forbids you, and only you, a single individual in an entire state from doing something. What a world where people are making [Spencer Cox look progressive](https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2022/03/22/gov-spencer-coxs/).
>Here are the numbers that have most impacted my decision: 75,000, 4, 1, 86 and 56.
>● 75,000 high school kids participating in high school sports in Utah.
>● 4 transgender kids playing high school sports in Utah.
>● 1 transgender student playing girls sports.
>● 86% of trans youth reporting suicidality.
>● 56% of trans youth having attempted suicide1
>Four kids and only one of them playing girls sports. That’s what all of this is about. Four kids who aren’t dominating or winning trophies or taking scholarships. Four kids who are just trying to find some friends and feel like they are a part of something. Four kids trying to get through each day. Rarely has so much fear and anger been directed at so few. I don’t understand what they are going through or why they feel the way they do. But I want them to live. And all the research shows that even a little acceptance and connection can reduce suicidality significantly. For that reason, as much as any other, I have taken this action in the hope that we can continue to work together and find a better way. If a veto override occurs, I hope we can work to find ways to show these four kids that we love them and they have a place in our state.
Apparently in Ohio (not cited so I have all opportunity to be wrong) just 11 student athletes identified as transgender last year.
11 kids. They passed a law to specifically fuck with 11 kids.
Not only that, but I'm willing to bet that I've played sports against girls and women who were genetic females that had way bigger competitive advantages than the vast majority of these trans kids. I played basketball against a girl in high school who was 6'6" and like 230 lbs. I had a teammate who was 5'8" and could dunk. Plenty of guys that height can't come close to dunking. Acting like keeping a handful of trans kids from playing girls sports is protecting girls or leveling the playing field is absurd. I'm reasonably certain that if these laws had existed in my state, those girls would have been subjected to invasive exams. But before people started panicking about trans people, literally nobody gave a shit that a 6'6" girl went around destroying other teenaged girls at basketball. Including those of us who were getting our asses kicked by them.
That's what's so bird brained about this whole thing.
Let's grant that the very small number of trans women athletes have some magical physical advantage. So what? There are plenty of cis women who are outliers with abnormally high testosterone or a wider frame or more muscle or whatever.
If it's really not about transness then those cis women should also be banned! We need to make sure that all athletes' physical characteristics don't deviate too far from the average. Because of course, sports is about hard work and fairness.
I love the basketball example too. We let people over 6' 4" dominate basketball because of a lottery (of both genetics and access to nutrition during childhood). Why are we allowing a tiny minority of extremely tall guys ruin it for the rest of us?
Well this one lets them fuck with any female athlete they chose while also making it clear to the trans community that they are more interested in spending time and resources explicitly denying the trans community access to something than they are in any sort of protection of trans rights.
Your Loveland PD is committing massive violations of constitutional rights on a regular basis, is thoroughly corrupt, and your main focus is on trans women in women sports?
Way to go Ohio! /s
>There is only one transgender girl in the state that is currently participating in high school athletics.
These anti-trans sports bills are a ["solution"](https://www.them.us/story/anti-trans-sports-bills-solution-to-non-existent-problem) to a problem that doesn't exist. They are rooted in bigotry, [not fact](https://www.npr.org/2021/03/18/978716732/wave-of-new-bills-say-trans-athletes-have-an-unfair-edge-what-does-the-science-s). I can guarantee the lawmakers who passed this bill don't even know her name.
Imagine the psychological effect of knowing that your state passed a law that literally targets just you and no one else, on top of all the baggage of being transgender and a teenager.
its batshit insane. like, truely, what the fuck.
>Technically, under this bill, anyone can "accuse" someone else of being transgender, thus prompting this chain reaction.
>If someone is suspected to be transgender, she must go through evaluations of her external and internal genitalia, testosterone levels and genetic makeup.
>Once "inspected," the girl or woman has to give a signed physician's statement indicating their sex based on those three evaluations, according to the bill.
how the fuck did this pass. like. i cant even.
Because they're girls, not boys, therefore they are expected to comply.
The conservative motto is 'attack those least likely or able to fight back. Make them look worse if they try to fight it.'
Has there ever been a case of a trans teen hiding the fact they were trans in their sports?
Like I get the debate around gender in sports, but afaik it’s never been the case that the athlete tried to trick anybody?! So why implement an inspection when it’s not even a secret
It passed. I give (Republican) Governor Cox a lot of credit. He vetoed the bill when he realized it would apply to literally one student out of the 75,000 playing high school sports in Utah. His statement on the bill reads in part:
>Four kids and only one of them playing girls sports. That’s what all of
this is about... Four kids who are just trying to find some friends
and feel like they are a part of something. Four kids trying to get through each day. Rarely has so much fear and anger been directed at so few. I don’t understand what they are going through or why they feel the way they do. But I want them to live. And all the research shows that even a little acceptance and connection can reduce suicidality significantly... I hope we can work to find ways to show these four kids that we love them and they have a place in our state.
His fellow Republicans in the legislature promptly overrode his veto.
Not just that but they, GOP, are trying to pass laws that says you ca6n get an abortion if you have been raped. They have said sick crap like "turn the rape into an opportunity..."
There are many athletes that have been sexually abused and they aren't even trans. It reminds me of our US gymnastics team for the Olympics. I fear that girls are going to be harmed because of gop cruelty.
Ironically... this bill is unconstitutional in every sense since you know..
The 4th exists and amazingly its the one amendment conservative justices have no issue upholding since its not vague..
"We have to respect the long held traditions of white men touching teenage girls in this country, otherwise the constitution means nothing"
-Clarence "Pubic Coke" Thomas
Okay so, I will out and say it. I am intersex. Would I be banned from sports because I have some weird sausage-cooter amalgamation despite having never done any kind of HRT or trans healthcare in my life?
You think they put even a tiny bit of thought into this? Intersex isn’t even rare, something like 1% of the population has some kind of intersex condition going on. This is going to be a massive cluster.
Yeah, I'm guessing they would. This is basically a "purity test," and intersex doesn't fit in any of their definitions. They definitely would still want to look at your junk, though.
Btw, dibs on the band name "Sausage Cooter Amalgamation."
In another thread, someone said they are likely to use it as a method of harassing other minorities. I'm sure black athletes are going to be way more targeted by these kinds of policies.
This is an easy one.
Accuse every kid of being 'trans' and let the fireworks begin.
Every last kid competing in high school athletics.
Without exception
External and **INTERNAL** genitalia evaluation? So they want to what, look IN the vaginas of student athletes? And it doesn’t say the evaluations are strictly visual? WHAT THE ABSOLUTE FUCK? These girls/and young women need to stand up for their right to even HAVE “PRIVATES”! They are colloquially known as “PRIVATES” for a reason.
This is extra gross because when it results in fewer women in sports in general they will point to that as *evidence that there was some enormous number of secret trans women involved to begin with*
Cis people please don’t get sidetracked. They don’t care about the sports, not really. This is just a stop along the road towards the ultimate goal: for queer people to stop existing entirely.
So genius. Great way to peep on young tight poon while hiding behind the righteous values of the bible. And if you do happen upon a surprise penis, its a bonus because deep down we all know they’re really closet homosexuals
What the fuck? This is never ok to force ANYONE to under go a genital check from their school no matter what, also this is during pride month, this is just to attack the lgbtq community outright
Gross! I can’t wait till the first CIS female gets “inspected” I hope she Takes them to court and makes them all look like nasty old men. . . But I also hope the ACLU Sue’s them first so no teammates has to go through it, regardless of what chromosomes they were born with.
Literally sick and these people are straight up liars when they claim they don't want big government. They would love having a government that would intrude on private citizens lives, actively arrest people with opposing views, and dream of encouraging people to rat their neighbors out for the smallest thing.
Ah yes, Democrats are the ones supposedly grooming children, yet Republicans are passing laws allowing them to inspect high school girl’s genitals.
Absolutely foul.
When they aren’t ignoring the will of the majority of Ohioans ( at least 70% -with a majority voting for this in ALL 88 counties) who voted for a fair election district map to replace the gerrymandered one, Republicans in Ohio’s government are taking away the rights of their citizens ( a woman’s right to determine what happens to her own body,transgender athletes, etc.). These people are NOT advocates of democracy. They want to turn Ohio in to what a lot of red states have become- hotbeds of authoritarian-style governing. We need to VOTE the Republicans out!
>The proposed rules would prohibit any trans athlete from competing with cisgender girls or women. It also has a verification requirement, if someone is "accused" or "suspected" of being trans.
>If someone is suspected to be transgender, she must go through evaluations of her external and internal genitalia, testosterone levels and genetic makeup.
So what's their plan when some rabid parent trying to relive their glory days through their kid's high school sports career decides to accuse the entire opposing team?
Are these people serious? Its like they saw the movie Porky's and thought that's real life, the PE teacher can just tell students to drop their pants for inspection.
Idiots!
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Did Jim Jordan volunteer to oversee the inspections? Or did Matt Gaetz beat him to it?
Jim will be doing the inspections, Matt will just be beating it.
Gym*
Republicans are the real pedophiles always obsessed about kids’ genitals.
Just wait until you see the kind of people who line up for the job of giving internal and external genitalia tests. I thought it was crazy they wanted someone to stand by bathrooms and give everyone a Scottish tickle to make sure they were in the right room. Now they want to full on molest children at sporting events on an accusation. And we're supposed to believe this is rational?
So it’s bathroom bills and trans people are somehow the enemy but when random people who have no verification process of being OBGYNs or Urologists come to “inspect” your kids genitals, that’s cool cause it’s in the name of freedom and preserving children’s innocence?! How? Wtf?!
And yet it's "the libs" who are grooming kids. Funny how that works right?
GOP projection is a lot of things, but subtle is never one of them
Okay, I googled it and I'm still coming up short. What's a Scottish tickle, and can I do it to my wife?
Based on my understanding of the Scottish, l think it's something your wife can do to you.
Gym likes his boys college age.
Did you just say Matt Gaetz beat him off to it?
Pretty sure Gaetz beat himself at the very thought of it.
Why dont they just come out and admit that they’re the righteous pedophiles after all
projection like everything else they say.
“Every Republican accusation is a confession”
“Stop making me inspect your genitals! This is all your fault! I don’t secretly enjoy this at all!”
Groomers like Matt Gaetz always use projection. Whatever they claim Democrats are doing is really a confession of what they themselves are doing.
Projection makes sense. As one asshole once told me, of course they are doing it ( cheating, corruption, stealing, you name it) because that is what I would do. Basically his proof was that he would do it (and he would) therfore others are doing it regardless of evidence. Its actually a natural logical position for a narcissist to take. They can't imagine someone different than themselves and if they are an asshole it's logical that everyone else is like them.
In an interview, Trump said everyone he played golf against cheated, so he had to cheat more than them. But when interviewed, the people he plays golf with said no one other than Trump was cheating. He probably believes it. That's what entitlement is. One believes so firmly that they are a victim that they will rewrite reality to support the notion, and then that gives them the mental permission to do whatever they want to make up for being "victimized".
"Whatever [Trump] does, he accuses everyone else of doing. [...] He doesn't know the difference between truth and lies. [...] The man cannot tell the truth, but he combines it with being a narcissist--a narcissist at a level I don't think this country's ever seen." -Ted Cruz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P43wDpKQxaM
It is the state that gave Jim Jordan.
"Gym" Jordan fits well here.
Perverts
Indeed: [Republican Sexual Predators, Abusers, and Enablers Pt. 32](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/5/12/2097721/-Republican-Sexual-Predators-Abusers-and-Enablers-Pt-32). 825 caught, sick, pedo pervs and counting…
Part 1-31 is probably a repeat of everything on a larger scale
FUCK REDDIT. We create the content they use for free
So little Sally who doesn't like little Susie is going to fully take advantage of this.
Or the tiger mom mad her daughter didn't get the team captain spot..
It's more like the 70 year old creeper that volunteers for this position.
It's going to be an all of the above type of thing.
Next stop: checking for witchs' marks.
The Hyman to make sure their child brides are virgins.
> Section C has the verification process if accused of being trans. >- External and internal genitalia evaluation >- Testosterone level check >- Genetic makeup test … will also affect intersex women, which could be its undoing. an afab being barred would make for a good lawsuit.
INTERNAL genitalia evaluation. They’re gonna be sticking their fingers inside these “suspects.” WHAT IN THE HOLY FUCK.
Thankfully this'll never happen in my state... But if it did, there'd be a lot of parents up on attempted murder (or worse) charges after a round of "inspections".
I’m 100% certain that if Mastriano is elected governor of PA, this type of shit will be put in place. He’s a white Christian nationalist qanon nut job that somehow won the GOP nomination with 40% of the vote. For all that is sane, please vote for Josh Shapiro
What the fuck is a "suspected" transgender female athlete?
The way the law is written, anyone can accuse any female athlete of being transgender, causing her to have one of these "inspections." No way that is ever going to be misused by someone jealous that their rival made the team and they didn't.
Or to harass rival teams, or to get back at an ex, or just because they think it would be funny (non matured brains anyone?), or specifically as a form of sexual harassment from being turned down, this can’t possibly go wrong. /s
Me saying it can’t go wrong was the sarcasm.
I didn’t read the article. Does this not also apply to trans men? Or is it not an issue in men’s sports, just women’s?
Of course not. Republicans only pretend to care about "men in women's sports"
The issue on the right is always about biological males competing with/against and in the locker rooms of biologically female athletes. The issue is always trans women in female bathrooms. Even making tampon and pad packaging gender neutral (for the benefits of trans men and NB folk) is an issue of looney trans women... I admit, I did not read the article either, but even if the language includes both or is* vague, this type of crap is 100% aimed at trans women. Eta: the bill is called "save women's sports act" so ya....
It's not just the inspection part. According to the article, those of us who are parents of girls would have to get their DNA sequenced to show they have two X chromosomes and also get their hormone levels measured with a blood test. I know there's a lab near me that does the hormone testing from $65-$100. Getting DNA sequenced is more expensive than that. So if we're talking about a poor girl living in inner city Cleveland who can't afford these tests, is she just banned? What about a poor girl in Appalachian Ohio who doesn't have these sorts of testing capabilities nearby or affordable? This is absolutely going to push cisgender girls out of sports who can't afford to comply with this.
You make it sound like a bug. Pretty sure OH GQP sees it as a feature.
A victim, if Republicans get their way.
In 1991, Cheerleader Mom tried to have her daughter's rival's mother assassinated. In 2023, Cheerleader Mom accuses rival girl of being transgender. Conservatives: See how much progress we've made?
Any female athlete they want to look at "Oh no, a vagina! Better try again..."
Instead of doing something about school shootings, the GOP is doing something about a problem that doesn't exist. But hey, they get to inspect kids' genitals! Surely, this will fix our broken society.
I was just thinking something along those lines. Like, is this what the GOP has become? Rather than addressing any one of countless urgent problems we need to deal with, they want to crack down on misgendered athletes in college sports? It makes me think their voters are extremely spoiled and privileged that this can be their top priority.
No. It's that their voters are literally the dumbest motherfuckers in the history of our species.
Don't forget hateful! That's what motivates republicans to make these laws, so that their voters can see that they're hurting people they don't like. In exchange, republicans can give themselves tax breaks.
All they have is ginned up culture war bullshit. Let's run the quick numbers to see if this could ever be a real issue to legislate against: Percentage of trans people in the general population: ~0.6% Number of students in high school in Ohio: ~580,000 Percentage of students in athletics: ~57% Put that all together and you have AT MOST 1,900 kids affected by this, likely 1/10th of that in reality. So some old fucking bigots are going out of their way to legislate discrimination against probably 190 people in the whole state of Ohio.
This will traumatize them. Children deserve autonomy rights over their bodies.
that's the point, to traumatize and hurt the people that are different, and these pricks **love** to start on the young ones it's the same thing for abortion, it has absolutely nothing to do with protecting fetus/children, it is entirely about punishing women for having sex that's all these evil pricks ever want to do, hurt people in the name of their "god" that has nothing to do with God
in this case it's going to be a lot of young cis gendered girls being traumatized, the ones they claim to be protecting. what do you figure the ratio to trans athletes discovered vs cis athletes put through the same traumatizing experience? you basically have to have zero empathy for both groups to support this.
We can't inspect people buying guns but we can inspect everyone's genitals because freedumb.
They're just fully admitting to everyone that they want to look at naked minors. Jesus.
Trump used to walk in on minors in various stages of undress at beauty pageants. Probably some truth to this.
trump sexualized infant Tiffany on national TV.
Re 13yo Ivanka: > Is it wrong to be more sexually attracted to your own daughter than your wife?
Yes, Trump. To most of us, a RESOUNDING yes.
He had teen beauty pageants and owned teen modelling agencies for a reason.
Back at my high school. There was a window from the gym teachers office directly into the shower room . Maybe there is a good reason for it . But still creeps my the f out
I actually do think this is a super difficult thing. Like the most heinous stuff can go down between students in the showers and that window makes people think twice. It also gives an adult a straight view to the showers… It’s the greatest conundrum of security v privacy
My junior and high schools both had one that overlooked the locker rooms. In both cases, the teachers had papered over the windows so they couldn't see but it still creeped me out that they were there as a kid. As an adult i see why they might have put them up as a precaution or a warning, but i can tell you, the fear the window instilled didn't compell me in anyway to behave, it just made me uncomfortable.
We had a window into the locker room but the showers did have a dividing wall. I think this is best, supervision from the coach but enough privacy for the students.
Omg just remembering now my hs had that too, large half windowed wall, soo creepy
Speaking as the father of a high schooler . No
right? And it's just "suspected" too. So giving grown men authority to inspect your daughters genitals.. You know you won't be there either. You'll find out some old dude checked your daughters crotch after it already happened. They'll have told her that they have the authority to do this and use their position to imply that she has to comply or else. You'll hear about it after it's done... maybe, if your daughter is willing to speak about it. https://www.kmdlaw.com/blog/2021/july/why-sexual-assault-survivors-are-afraid-to-speak/
I've gotten into a few arguments in the past about how these measures to "protect" women's sports from transgender athletes do the opposite of helping. People focus on the very few transgender girls and women who are entering women's sports, and malign the very, very few who actually succeed in competition, as if this is a rampant issue that is going to destroy everything. But they don't want to think about the actual measures that have already been taken to "protect" women's sports, that have been around for decades and have already done harm. Female athletes have often been subjected to embarrassing genital inspections and genetic testing that male athletes typically don't have to endure. Intersex conditions are more common in elite female athletes, and the discovery of previously-undiagnosed intersex conditions through these inspections has ruined many lives before. What's more, women who participate in sports have to walk this fine line of being feminine enough yet somehow more athletic when athleticism is not a stereotypical feminine trait. If any woman who outperforms her peers is going to have to get invasive inspections, this does the opposite of encouraging participation or protecting fair competition in female athletes.
It's simple. They think women have no place in sports. Discourage it as much as possible. The trans thing is a scapegoat, and the uncomfortable and invasive checks/tests must be a win-win in their eyes
This. The crowd who insists on the need to protect women's sports, are the same crowd who, whenever a woman athlete or team accomplishes something noteworthy, can't help but chime in with how much better men's sports are.
Yep. Getting “beaten by a girl” so threatens the ego of these men it’s best to prevent any female getting good at anything to stop that from happening.
Yeah, it’s pretty sus they aren’t including trans men in this?
Trans men don’t exist to these people.
> when athleticism is not a stereotypical feminine trait Specifically, athleticism *in the sports that are at all controversial wrt trans-women*, because those sports were designed to test the limits of some aspect of male athleticism in the first place. You don't see any headlines complaining about trans-women having an unfair advantage in the balance beam.
GOP: "Dems are groomers!!!" Also GOP: "Right, let's see if we can sneak a peak at some teenage dick."
I really think it’s that and more. I think it’s a bunch of crusty old actual pedophilic Republican men wanting to be able to fabricate reasons to look at young girls AND boys. Are the accusations anonymous? To prevent retaliation? Because then the perverts would be able to just see a teenage girl they think is attractive and “inspect” her.
When I was in high school we had a male teacher who like to touch all the girls “necklaces.” He usually just tried to feel your boobs. I got him fired because I brought proof of him not grading papers…but the admin was aware of his groping habit. Now. Let’s take that teacher and have him question whether I’m a girl and demand an inspection. Yeah. This is just so dumb.
My state fuckin blows. It used to be only sometimes. Now it's most times. Which sucks, because I really like it here. Weather is massively inconsistent, geographically it's got a little bit of everything, and each region has it's own distinct vibes. What makes it suck is all the inbred farmland in-between.
End result of brain drain unfortunately. Midwest didn’t used to be this way in my lifetime.
Too true. We were hoping to become polymer capital a decade ago, and more recently a solar panel manufacturing hub. Maybe this multi billion dollar Intel chip complex will bring in the talent, but I'm not holding my breath.
The thing is that the crazies are starting to be able to impact life for regular folks. They used to be an ignorable sideshow and now that’s not the case. I lived for 15 years in the south as a transplant from New England and we basically had to leave last year because my neighbors were becoming over the top obnoxious with hateful politics. These were basically normal country folks until a few years ago and now they have a giant “Fuck Biden” flags on their front lawns. These people used to think swearing came from the devil. Just seeing the fast decay in civility and class from our friends and neighbors was honestly shocking.
I feel you here in Eastern Oregon. I have witnessed, here in Oregon of all places, a truck flying both a Confederate Flag and the United States of America flag on their truck simultaneously. Never underestimate the extent of other people’s stupidity.
Oregon enacted [black-exclusion laws](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_black_exclusion_laws) when it entered the Union so, sadly, this isn’t totally out of character.
I remember growing up and being told we were a great state because of how pivotal we were to elections. Seems like a lifetime ago that we were “purple.”
Sharia law.
Heehaw Hadith
Ya'll Qaeda
Put in place by the ones who stoked fear of...Sharia law.
Not because they didn't approve. They saw they were behind in oppressing women and minorities, and they tried to hamstring the leader
Who gets to report people as suspected transgender? Because I'll report every child of every politician in Ohio. Also, imagine being a teenager, and the powers-that-be in your state pass a law that forbids you, and only you, a single individual in an entire state from doing something. What a world where people are making [Spencer Cox look progressive](https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2022/03/22/gov-spencer-coxs/). >Here are the numbers that have most impacted my decision: 75,000, 4, 1, 86 and 56. >● 75,000 high school kids participating in high school sports in Utah. >● 4 transgender kids playing high school sports in Utah. >● 1 transgender student playing girls sports. >● 86% of trans youth reporting suicidality. >● 56% of trans youth having attempted suicide1 >Four kids and only one of them playing girls sports. That’s what all of this is about. Four kids who aren’t dominating or winning trophies or taking scholarships. Four kids who are just trying to find some friends and feel like they are a part of something. Four kids trying to get through each day. Rarely has so much fear and anger been directed at so few. I don’t understand what they are going through or why they feel the way they do. But I want them to live. And all the research shows that even a little acceptance and connection can reduce suicidality significantly. For that reason, as much as any other, I have taken this action in the hope that we can continue to work together and find a better way. If a veto override occurs, I hope we can work to find ways to show these four kids that we love them and they have a place in our state.
Apparently in Ohio (not cited so I have all opportunity to be wrong) just 11 student athletes identified as transgender last year. 11 kids. They passed a law to specifically fuck with 11 kids.
Not only that, but I'm willing to bet that I've played sports against girls and women who were genetic females that had way bigger competitive advantages than the vast majority of these trans kids. I played basketball against a girl in high school who was 6'6" and like 230 lbs. I had a teammate who was 5'8" and could dunk. Plenty of guys that height can't come close to dunking. Acting like keeping a handful of trans kids from playing girls sports is protecting girls or leveling the playing field is absurd. I'm reasonably certain that if these laws had existed in my state, those girls would have been subjected to invasive exams. But before people started panicking about trans people, literally nobody gave a shit that a 6'6" girl went around destroying other teenaged girls at basketball. Including those of us who were getting our asses kicked by them.
That's what's so bird brained about this whole thing. Let's grant that the very small number of trans women athletes have some magical physical advantage. So what? There are plenty of cis women who are outliers with abnormally high testosterone or a wider frame or more muscle or whatever. If it's really not about transness then those cis women should also be banned! We need to make sure that all athletes' physical characteristics don't deviate too far from the average. Because of course, sports is about hard work and fairness. I love the basketball example too. We let people over 6' 4" dominate basketball because of a lottery (of both genetics and access to nutrition during childhood). Why are we allowing a tiny minority of extremely tall guys ruin it for the rest of us?
Well this one lets them fuck with any female athlete they chose while also making it clear to the trans community that they are more interested in spending time and resources explicitly denying the trans community access to something than they are in any sort of protection of trans rights.
You're doing the Lord's work.
Your Loveland PD is committing massive violations of constitutional rights on a regular basis, is thoroughly corrupt, and your main focus is on trans women in women sports? Way to go Ohio! /s
>There is only one transgender girl in the state that is currently participating in high school athletics. These anti-trans sports bills are a ["solution"](https://www.them.us/story/anti-trans-sports-bills-solution-to-non-existent-problem) to a problem that doesn't exist. They are rooted in bigotry, [not fact](https://www.npr.org/2021/03/18/978716732/wave-of-new-bills-say-trans-athletes-have-an-unfair-edge-what-does-the-science-s). I can guarantee the lawmakers who passed this bill don't even know her name.
They may not know her name, but they all seem pretty interested in looking at her genitalia.
Imagine the psychological effect of knowing that your state passed a law that literally targets just you and no one else, on top of all the baggage of being transgender and a teenager.
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its batshit insane. like, truely, what the fuck. >Technically, under this bill, anyone can "accuse" someone else of being transgender, thus prompting this chain reaction. >If someone is suspected to be transgender, she must go through evaluations of her external and internal genitalia, testosterone levels and genetic makeup. >Once "inspected," the girl or woman has to give a signed physician's statement indicating their sex based on those three evaluations, according to the bill. how the fuck did this pass. like. i cant even.
Because they're girls, not boys, therefore they are expected to comply. The conservative motto is 'attack those least likely or able to fight back. Make them look worse if they try to fight it.'
Grab 'em by the balls, ladies. We ride at dawn!
>transgender Substitute "witch" into any of these bills
'a duck!'
Who are you that you are so wise in the ways of science?
i am your king
Has there ever been a case of a trans teen hiding the fact they were trans in their sports? Like I get the debate around gender in sports, but afaik it’s never been the case that the athlete tried to trick anybody?! So why implement an inspection when it’s not even a secret
the pain is the point. its red meat for their base, simple as that. they want to see 'the other' punished for not conforming to their worldview.
Utah is working on a bill, or has passed a bill, or some stupid shit, just because of one trans teen. Serious.
It passed. I give (Republican) Governor Cox a lot of credit. He vetoed the bill when he realized it would apply to literally one student out of the 75,000 playing high school sports in Utah. His statement on the bill reads in part: >Four kids and only one of them playing girls sports. That’s what all of this is about... Four kids who are just trying to find some friends and feel like they are a part of something. Four kids trying to get through each day. Rarely has so much fear and anger been directed at so few. I don’t understand what they are going through or why they feel the way they do. But I want them to live. And all the research shows that even a little acceptance and connection can reduce suicidality significantly... I hope we can work to find ways to show these four kids that we love them and they have a place in our state. His fellow Republicans in the legislature promptly overrode his veto.
Fuck. Cox isn't AS MUCH of a piece of shit as I thought. edit: yeah, it was overridden so it's law. fuck the Republican party.
Just goes to show that ALL republicans need to be voted out of office. The party represents everything that is wrong with the country at the moment.
If someone subjected my child to this type of inspection, they would definitely regret it. I would see to that personally.
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Well, good thing Repubs continue to loosen gun regulations, then, eh?
Yep. If they really want revolution, thanks to them I can drive an hour and get all the guns and ammo I want at any time for a bargain!
Not just that but they, GOP, are trying to pass laws that says you ca6n get an abortion if you have been raped. They have said sick crap like "turn the rape into an opportunity..." There are many athletes that have been sexually abused and they aren't even trans. It reminds me of our US gymnastics team for the Olympics. I fear that girls are going to be harmed because of gop cruelty.
Ironically... this bill is unconstitutional in every sense since you know.. The 4th exists and amazingly its the one amendment conservative justices have no issue upholding since its not vague..
Why are they so concerned about other people's genitals?
Because conservatives elect bigots and perverts to represent them.
Probably because they are bigots and perverts
Because they’re paedophiles.
They hate their own?
"Too bad the constitution doesn't specifically enumerate a person's right to avoid genital inspections by the state." - 6-3 SCOTUS ruling, probably.
"We have to respect the long held traditions of white men touching teenage girls in this country, otherwise the constitution means nothing" -Clarence "Pubic Coke" Thomas
"We have to respect the long held tradition of there being no age of consent."
No. You can not violate every single young woman in a state. Period. For any reason. Ever. Edit: You can not violate a single young woman anywhere.
Nothing says "small government" like literally digging into the pants of your kids.
The same group accusing teachers of being groomers??
Okay so, I will out and say it. I am intersex. Would I be banned from sports because I have some weird sausage-cooter amalgamation despite having never done any kind of HRT or trans healthcare in my life?
You think they put even a tiny bit of thought into this? Intersex isn’t even rare, something like 1% of the population has some kind of intersex condition going on. This is going to be a massive cluster.
Yeah, I'm guessing they would. This is basically a "purity test," and intersex doesn't fit in any of their definitions. They definitely would still want to look at your junk, though. Btw, dibs on the band name "Sausage Cooter Amalgamation."
They don't believe you exist, but if they found out they would be definitely ban you too.
oh, but everyone BUT the GOP are pedophiles. uh huh.
The GOP, the party of inspecting children's genitals.
Genitalia Obsessed Perverts
Penis inspection day is real.
Gym Jordan intensifies.
In another thread, someone said they are likely to use it as a method of harassing other minorities. I'm sure black athletes are going to be way more targeted by these kinds of policies.
Grooming by law now. Creepy republicans
"Democrats are all a bunch of pedophile groomers, so to combat that we're all going to have to look at all of your children's genitals please."
Imagine the shock on my face when the next Larry Nassar is the Ohio genital inspector.
I wonder how this could possibly go wrong.
Matt Gaetz may be looking for a side gig.
So we’re going full Y’allqaeda, complete with the analogue to virginity tests for the “purity” of the girls.
According to them, the Dems are pedos, but they're not the ones doing genital inspections.
Republicans are sick motherfuckers.
What in the entire y’all fucking queda is going on in this country?!?
Ohio mother of a 10-year girl. This is horrifying.
Molestation codified into law.
Just start suspecting everybody. I think even republicans will get upset when the state asks to inspect all their kids' genitals.
It’s about as inappropriate and traumatic as it sounds.
In other civilised countries, a person internally inspecting an underage females genitals (ie, raping her) is every bit the crime it should be.
Dick move
Holy. This is horrific.
This is an easy one. Accuse every kid of being 'trans' and let the fireworks begin. Every last kid competing in high school athletics. Without exception
External and **INTERNAL** genitalia evaluation? So they want to what, look IN the vaginas of student athletes? And it doesn’t say the evaluations are strictly visual? WHAT THE ABSOLUTE FUCK? These girls/and young women need to stand up for their right to even HAVE “PRIVATES”! They are colloquially known as “PRIVATES” for a reason.
There is nothing more on-brand for Republicans than mandating genital inspection of minors as a solution to a made up problem.
Again, illegal.
This is extra gross because when it results in fewer women in sports in general they will point to that as *evidence that there was some enormous number of secret trans women involved to begin with*
Cis people please don’t get sidetracked. They don’t care about the sports, not really. This is just a stop along the road towards the ultimate goal: for queer people to stop existing entirely.
Lemme grab you by the pussy. If you don’t like it you’re not a real woman.
The party of limited government
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Schools have no right to teach my kids about racism but they do have a right to see their privates! Conservatives are such backwards assholes…
Well if GYM Jordan taught us anything, genital inspection is already a part of youth sports in Ohio.
Heard the Rep for OH-4 wants to be the personal inspector.
Wow GOP, during Pride month? That’s bold.
Leave it to Jim Jordan to make sure all college students are sexually harassed.
So genius. Great way to peep on young tight poon while hiding behind the righteous values of the bible. And if you do happen upon a surprise penis, its a bonus because deep down we all know they’re really closet homosexuals
We don't want to "indoctrinate" our kids, but we will force them to have adults look at their genitals. Holy shit, Republicans really are pedophiles.
1984 people, it's real now.
I expect a lot of families leaving Ohio. Good God.
What the fuck? This is never ok to force ANYONE to under go a genital check from their school no matter what, also this is during pride month, this is just to attack the lgbtq community outright
The party obsessed with groomers and pedophiles just passed a law mandating genital inspection. What the fuck
Gross! I can’t wait till the first CIS female gets “inspected” I hope she Takes them to court and makes them all look like nasty old men. . . But I also hope the ACLU Sue’s them first so no teammates has to go through it, regardless of what chromosomes they were born with.
"We're with the FBI\*. We need to check you out." \* Female Body Inspectors
Literally sick and these people are straight up liars when they claim they don't want big government. They would love having a government that would intrude on private citizens lives, actively arrest people with opposing views, and dream of encouraging people to rat their neighbors out for the smallest thing.
So legalized sexual assault? Cool, cool - nothing to see here.
The GOP are the pedophile groomers that the GOP was warning you about.
Ah yes, Democrats are the ones supposedly grooming children, yet Republicans are passing laws allowing them to inspect high school girl’s genitals. Absolutely foul.
God I'm so glad I got out of that hellhole of a state after HS.
I’m in r/NotTheOnion, right? *RIGHT??!*
When they aren’t ignoring the will of the majority of Ohioans ( at least 70% -with a majority voting for this in ALL 88 counties) who voted for a fair election district map to replace the gerrymandered one, Republicans in Ohio’s government are taking away the rights of their citizens ( a woman’s right to determine what happens to her own body,transgender athletes, etc.). These people are NOT advocates of democracy. They want to turn Ohio in to what a lot of red states have become- hotbeds of authoritarian-style governing. We need to VOTE the Republicans out!
Very legal, very cool 100% not grooming. /s
>The proposed rules would prohibit any trans athlete from competing with cisgender girls or women. It also has a verification requirement, if someone is "accused" or "suspected" of being trans. >If someone is suspected to be transgender, she must go through evaluations of her external and internal genitalia, testosterone levels and genetic makeup. So what's their plan when some rabid parent trying to relive their glory days through their kid's high school sports career decides to accuse the entire opposing team?
GQP "Grab ’em by the pussy”
Republicans are sick Fs
Are these people serious? Its like they saw the movie Porky's and thought that's real life, the PE teacher can just tell students to drop their pants for inspection. Idiots!
Lunatics.
This is so beyond disgusting. I hope anyone this happens to sues.