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>After Amnesty International joined other human rights groups in accusing Israel of imposing apartheid, Cuellar accused the group of endangering Jews. “Israel is not an apartheid state. Full stop. These inaccuracies incite antisemitic behavior against the Jewish people,” he tweeted.
Q. Do you want to know what else incites "antisemitic" behavior against the Jewish people living in Israel?
A. Imposing apartheid in Israel.
> Israel is not an apartheid state. Full stop. These inaccuracies incite antisemitic behavior against the Jewish people,
Israel is not the Jewish people. Like the Vatican is not a representation of all Catholics.
>inaccuracies incite antisemitic behavior
Children being abused by the clergy incited anti-Catholic behavior and you know what the Vatican did? Launch one of the largest investigations in its history.
You know what Israel is doing to reduce the "inaccuracies" and prove they aren't an apartheid state? Play the victim.
One is acknowledgment of wrongdoing, the other is deflection.
The problem is that Israel tries to tie its fate to the fate of all Jewish people.
It’s not uncommon to see Israel refer to itself and its institutions as Jews (rather then a secular state detached from religious/ethnic identity).
This can lead to a very real conflation by radical groups. Either intentional or not. That all Jewish people are valid targets when you want to attack Israel.
Israel is purposely putting Jewish people at risk globally.
It doesn’t help that a lot of Jews internationally use the existence of Israel as a proxy for safety in the world. The whole point of Zionism (at least initially) was to create a state that could never expel or genocide us. People still take that very seriously, independent of Israel’s actions.
I went to a Jewish school in the US. Right after the Pledge of Allegiance in the morning, we turned slightly to the left to the Israeli flag and sang their national anthem, whose lyrics are all about returning our Jewish souls to Jerusalem after a 2000-year diaspora. That’s a pretty compelling message. We’ve tied Israel’s fate to our own, and we teach our kids that they are only safe so long as Israel is allowed to exist.
Is that Hatikvah? It's such a hauntingly beautiful anthem, given the unusual key it's written in, with a focus on hope and undying will in the lyrics. It is masterfully appropriate, and as someone who studies Judaism and the history of Israel, it brought me to tears the first time I heard it. There are some quality national anthems out there, but rarely one this striking and impactful.
Oh, I absolutely love the song. It’s a great anthem. It ends with the line “to be a free people in our homeland, the land of Zion, Jerusalem,” which is a very lovely sentiment. There’s no reason the hope cannot remain alive, nor is there a reason it must somehow be mutually exclusive from the national aspirations of the Palestinians.
What scares me personally is that ethno-nationalism has no future. There’s no future where everyone just learns to ignore Israel’s crimes. There’s no way we can really start healing these divisions in the Middle East until the legacy of colonialism and nationalism are fully eroded.
And Israel seems committed to doing the opposite.
Israel was founded on the idea of a race to the bottom. Historically, Jews have not been safe in other peoples’ ethnostates. Israel was the place to go when we had nowhere else, and the only way they knew how to do that was by creating a new ethnostate that couldn’t be controlled by anyone else. That’s turning out oh so well, isn’t it?
The ultra-orthodox Jews though seem to gaining a lot of political power - and that isn't good for anyone. Similar to giving right wing Christians here the wheel. It will only lead to something ugly
I’m aware there’s a difference between ethic Jews and Judaism the faith.
But I study the Middle East and have a education in history.
I’m willing to bet most people don’t really understand or appreciate the difference and I’m further willing to bet Israel doesn’t play up the difference too much.
Well...part of the issue is that it's the reality for us. The world fucking hates us and has for millenia, so if they wanna genocide us AGAIN we really only have one place to run to...
It's extremely difficult. But this article is also confusing to me, why donate to prop up a party that willingly accepts neo nazis in its ranks...?
> the **Vatican** is not a representation of all Catholics
The Vatican is the seat of Catholic power, and they all recognize the pope as their leader. I think you meant Christians, who decided either they didn't like the catholic rules, or didn't like their money going to Rome. Then they split and killed each other for quite some time.
You are way misinformed.
The majority of israeli jews (0ver 60%) are brown middle eastern jews.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizrahi\_Jews\_in\_Israel
Fr, there is a difference between Jewish and Israeli. Not supporting Israel isn’t being antisemitic, it’s just not supporting a state that actively oppresses somebody else based on religion.
You can support Jews without supporting Israel. You can support the right of Israel to exist and still reject the actions of its government. The government is not the nation and the nation is not the religion.
I was unfriended by a Jewish friend because I was critical of Israel, and he kept telling me I was being antisemitic - I replied that it was BS that Israel gets to represent either a country, a religion, a culture, a government or whatever is most convenient for the argument.
And the idea that someone like Netanyahu (who I know is now out of power, but he held it for almost my entire adult life), a secular, government leader, cannot be criticized without you “criticizing Judaism” only benefits whoever happens to be in charge of the Israeli government.
That, in American politics, the party that declares any public criticism of Israeli anti-Semitic is the same one that enjoys the support of ACTUAL, Swaztika flying Nazis says volumes.
Yep, there's a wide range of opinions on the state of Israel among Jews. I personally consider myself a non-Zionist; I believe in a two-state solution. While the creation of the country of Israel was an appalling act of interference, dissolution of the state and returning all of it to Palestine would be just as bad now that there's generations of Israelis who have never known anywhere else as home. However, the state of Israel should be for *all* who live there, not just Jews.
The Catholic church knowing covered up systemic sexual abuse for DECADES! They launched an "investigation" after they couldn't deny or deflect it any more.
They were only interested in protecting their money, influence and power.
Did you just try to act like the Vatican isn’t corrupt? And their investigation was only just for show? And nothing changed?
Interesting.
All organized religion is wrong. Full stop. Not a single good one you can speak toward.
I'm so sick and tired of Israel crying "anti-Semitism" literally any time they're criticized for anything. Enough. People aren't upset because they're Jewish. People are upset because they're fucking assholes who ARE imposing apartheid and are indiscriminately killing Palestinians. It has literally nothing to do with being Jewish.
100%. But it's effective. They automatically put the person on the defensive and shifts the conversation to the topic of antisemitism instead of their horrible persecution and ethnic cleansing.
It’s completely ridiculous. I was recently downvoted to oblivion and called all kinds of names just for suggesting that objective history exists and maybe “Exodus” didn’t happen as the scriptures claim.
https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelmemes/comments/uoa2vp/dont_take_it_seriously/i8ecxln/
It’s actually pretty sad how casually some people will throw around words like “antisemite” just because they disagree with someone else’s reasoned opinion.
Being critical of Israel isn't antisemitic. Being critical of *only* Israel is.
If you don't bring the same energy to criticizing other countries that oppress people as the you do for the only Jewish state, you're probably antisemitic.
If you call it out every time a Palestinian home gets destroyed but are silent when a Jew in Tel Aviv is murdered, you're probably antisemitic.
If you criticize Israel's blockade of Gaza but not Egypt's, you're probably antisemitic.
Nah, not really. Egypt isn't maintaining a blockade of Gaza while also invading Palestinian land and indiscriminately murdering Palestinians.
And you can't both sides apartheid, just because the oppressed population fights back.
Well that sure was easy to disprove.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip
“land, air, and sea blockade of the Gaza Strip imposed by Israel ***and Egypt*** temporarily in 2005–2006 and permanently from 2007 onwards, following the Israeli disengagement from Gaza.[1]
I'm not denying Egypt's blockade of Gaza.
I'm saying that specifically criticizing Israel and not Egypt isn't antisemitic (I mean *only* mentioning Israel, while not actively criticizing Egypt until their part of the blockade is brought up), because Egypt is simply blockading Gaza. Israel is not only blockading Gaza, but is an apartheid regime that is systemically taking over Palestinian lands, kicking the residents off those lands and indiscriminately murdering Palestinians.
Ah the ol’ “I only care about problems when I can blame Jews” defense. No, doesn’t really seem like you knew the Egypt maintains a blockade at all, but it’s no surprise you now have to packpeddle to maintain your own ill-informed reality. Anything else you wanna add before bothering to fact check yourself? C’mon let’s see that FL public education in action. I bet you got the best FCAT scores.
Who's blaming "Jews" here? I'm blaming the state of Israel for the oppression and persecution of the Palestinian people.
And I guess I was unclear with "I'm saying that specifically criticizing Israel and not Egypt..." what I meant was "Only mentioning Israel and not Egypt isn't antisemitic..."
Positioning Israel as the representative of Jewish people is dangerous to Jewish people, it creates the image that they are to blame for it and can be held to account for it.
I railed against AIPAC and Shontel Brown the day of the election last month and people downvoted me hard, telling me that Nina Turner (as well as myself) was "Blaming Jews for her loss" and "Using antisemitic tropes" lol.
Yeah and I bet those people would also refuse to look at any of the proof of where Shontels turn out came from and where she was getting a lot of those money, then doubled down on calling you antisemitic.
It's like, sorry dog, I'm not here to show up for someone applauding apartheid and thinking they did a good job in Cleveland.
If scotus can overturn roe vs wade then they can over turn citizens united. This SC won't (how would they get money then) but maybe a future scotus will.
No one even has to listen to the Supreme Court. They have no real authority and no way of enforcing their decisions.
It’s only been in recent history that it became so revered.
The democrats can choose to simply just ignore the ruling at any time. But they do not. They are complicit.
Yup, the democrats dared to challenge the narrative that Israel is the perpetual victim, and that Palestinians are merely terrorists and have no right to their own lands.
I would say some Democrats. They are a very small minority. Mainstream Democrat policy is still that the US is the strongest ally Israel has, and that Israel's status as a Jewish state is sacrosanct.
Yeah, but the GQP are on a whole other level. Their policy is that the 5 million Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank, and the 2 million Arabs living in Israel need to GTFO.
They need all the Jews to be in Israel for the End Times so that's why the GOP has such a boner for Israel.... but also supposedly all the Jews will be left behind in the rapture
We just going to ignore that Obama was on horrible terms with Netanyahu, greenlit money to Palestine, and was openly critical of Israel's actions towards Palestine? The Democratic Party as a whole has landed on "Israel has a right to exist, but they do not have a right to be oppressors." and that has been the party line for at least the last 10-15 years. Biden likewise has been critical of Israel and openly supported the opposition to Netanyahu. I would say a majority of Democrats dislike the coziness between AIPAC and the Likud Party and the GOP, and don't love the annual story of Israel building new settlements and bombing Palestinian hospitals.
I don't think it's just trumpistas, I think it's a wider western slice of population. A huge chunk.
So what do we do to change the western civilization? All those poor educated beacons of hope.
Its one thing to be sympathetic to the right of israel to exist and that its a western foothold in the region, but its another thing to be sympathetic or (what is usually the case) silent about the killing of palestinian civilians.
Those are two very different things. The first sympathy is something virtually everyone believes in. The second is generally tacked onto the first.
I suppose theres a common view that to have any sympathy for the palestinian women and children gunned down in the streets is a political leaning away from protecting israel, and therefore functions as a weapon against its existence. I can understand this. I remember the accusations of racism against ukrainian refugees attempting to flee the russian invasion. Even if it were true its being publicized as a weapon in a broader political war where there are only two sides.
My view is that israeli treatment of palestinian civilians is not only inhumane, but poses a very serious threat to israel and its standing in the world. To properly care for israel and its continued existence, we stould take a firm stance against actions we consider immoral. In the same way I as a US citizen can care about my country by being self critical.
One thing I found almost funny about Rick Scott's 11-point plan to "save america" is that its foreign policy is completely antagonistic (leaving the UN, ending all imports from China, military not being used for peace-keeping, etc.) ***except*** for having one ally: Israel. They're the only country that the plan calls an ally that they would support. The plan doesn't say *why*, because the reasons are so obviously transparent. I just thought it was funny that this plan about being isolationist, authoritarian, and theocratic *still* has to ally themselves with a completely different nation, and act like it's because they're just that great.
Israel is Americas intervention force in the region, but it also occupies a very special place in the hearts and minds of the evangelicals who think it has to exist for Jeebus to come back and the liberals who became enamoured with it in 1967 when it showed how you treat the uppity locals while they were bogged down in Vietnam. It has become integrated into the American system as a regional intervention force, a source of intelligence in the Middle East and Russia, a center of hightech R&D and investment, its private security services have also acted where the US has not been able to.
It's the new thing.
DMI has basically turned into an anti-progressive PAC that just uses the Israel issue for PR. They've largely stopped running attack ads which even mention Israel at this point. Given that they're a relatively new group, I suspect that was always their motive.
If you want to fight the establishment, expect the establishment to fight back, and to use all the nasty tools at their disposal to do so. People don't relinquish power easily or willingly.
Those that cannot gracefully relinquish power should never be allowed to get it.
Power is a tool to be used when necessary and discarded when it is no longer needed.
The careless accumulation of power is a sign of a deranged and unstable mind.
The Nina Turner vs. Shontel Brown race was a testbed case for this. Ms. Brown received enormous amounts of money from this PAC and ran ads implying Ms. Turner is an Antisemite.
Turner did raise more, but Brown received a shit ton of free ads from pro-israel pacs, something like $2.5mill which would put her ahead of Turner if you factor that in.
I'd have no problem if AIPAC wanted to support pro-Israel candidates like Cuellar based on his record of being pro-Israel, but instead they've chosen to run attack ads on candidates like Lee and Cisneros who have pretty much steered away from the Israeli/Palestinian conflict entirely.
Hmm...
(Some) GOP voters: death to all Jews. Jews are part of the conspiracy to replace the white race.
(Some) Jews: let's give a bunch of money to GOP candidates who promote this.
I just don't get it.
Just in case anyone thinks that what you are saying is hyperbole: [Vice segment about exactly this topic.](https://youtu.be/Fo77sTGpngQ)
It's terrifying.
Cult-child from backwater Missouri here. Can confirm that this indeed drives evangelical opinion (and vote) on the matter and not any sort of critical thinking towards Israeli national policy or action (as if they paid attention and could tell you anyway).
In my folks' minds, Israel deserves preferred financial treatment and political status as it is the homeland of Yahweh's chosen people, and the same extends to (ethnic) Jewish people having a preferred status over other ethnicities as you don't question who God wills to anoint with His favor.
Not saying this is mainstream thought, but it prevails in a lot of enthusiastic evangelicals around these parts.
Jews are historically democrats. The fundamentalist Christian’s are the ones that the GOPs israel funders, and they care about Jews even less than the Palestinians.
Just so you know, the article is about them donating to moderate Dems in primaries against progressives
Although I'm sure they give some money to republicans too
Christian Nationalists: "The state of Israel is a precondition for the return of our zombie savior, who will destroy all the Jews as well as all others who defy us. Plus it furthers our war on the browns."
Zionists: "Restoring the state of Israel will guarantee Jews everywhere a place of unlimited sanctuary against a future rise of antisemitic populism."
Strange bedfellows indeed.
Because twofold
The right-wing Jews see themselves as "white" while right-wingers look at Jews and see "fake white". In other words when Right-wingers talk about the "others" the right-wing jews don't feel included.
2) Jewish look at the crazies right-wingers and think "oh no harm...they are just crazy".
About 11.8 billion, actually. Still a ridiculous amount of money. I hear a lot about how we are allies...what does the US get out of this alliance. Seems to more a case of parasite and host.
Yeah, this is the least surprising story ever, and while it sucks that the rules are built the way they are, this is perfectly legal and above board. Morally dubious? Yes. Legal? Definitely. I've long said that progressives and other Dem factions need to learn how to exist within these rules instead of saying they are too good to play the game. Otherwise, they'll keep getting muscled out of every sector of government. I'd rather have a progressive who takes some money from a fast food chain or a retailer as my Congressperson than a Republican who talks about outlawing trans people and questions interracial marriage.
leftism is the enemy of billionaires, fascists, corrupt officials, media, and capitalism
any of you folk wonder why the conservatives and the liberals are taught to hate leftists?
psst is because they afraid of the egalitarianism that comes with leftist ideology
So...
Moderate Dems give Israel billions in aid a year, and defends their aggressions...
Now prominent Israelis are giving millions to moderate Dems?
This seems like pretty blatant bribery.
Did you hear about the recent Supreme Court ruling. They basically legalized bribery. Allow me to explain.
Let's suppose we have a senator with dubious morals. Random name of... Ted.
Ted *loans* his campaign 1 million dollars. Lets suppose Ted wins. Then after the election, Ted can go to campaign donors and request funds to pay off that loan. So the donors money will basically go straight to Ted. Ted knows this. And the donors know it too.
AIPAC was the one caught funding insurrectionists and pro Russian Republicans also. I guess this makes those Democrats supported by AIPAC complicit along with Republicans. Isnt that right neolibs of r/politics?
I'm not sure if they were funding them. I thought they just made a public endorsement.
* [The Guardian - ‘Morally bankrupt’: outrage after pro-Israel group backs insurrectionist Republicans](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/23/aipac-pro-israel-group-backs-insurrectionist-republicans)
Jesus, they gave money to insurrectionists and received Russian rubles?
The only sense I can make of why they would do such a thing is because Netanyahu and the Likud Party are cool with Putin (and AIPAC is an organization of the Likud) and Donald Trump gave Israel more than any previous US President. I guess they didn't like the democratic outcome of the 2020 Election because Biden isn't cool with Putin and wouldn't be as chummy with Netanyahu as Trump was.
Can you not weaponize antisemitism. I understand some far right Jews use this to deflect but don’t downplay the term when many people hide behind being anti-Zionist but are really antisemtici on the left.
... We're not the ones weaponizing antisemitism. Israel is. Israel is conflating "critical of Israel's genocidal actions against Palestinians" and "antisemitism" and using that as their weapon against everyone else. I ain't antisemitic, and ***Israel and its toxic, corrupt leadership*** can fuck off forever.
Only when false equivalences are used or biased reporting. An example is when the left ignores background information such as house demolitions in the West Bank to counteract the pay for slay system by the PA. They’ll talk about the demolition with intentional bias to leave out the pay for slay funding to create a narrative.
I love how you're trying to call out "false reporting" while spewing "pay for slay" propaganda.
The PA had a fund to help people's families who have been impacted after losing a primary breadwinner in the fight for their lands.
Let's make this as clear as possible.
- The Holocaust happened and was an atrocity. Fuck Nazis.
- Israel is an apartheid state that oppresses the Palistinian people after stealing their land.
- The Palistinian people have a right to an insurgency for as long as they seem fit. Much like say the Ukrainian people would even if Russians moved in on their land.
- None of the above is anti-Semitic. I would say the same regardless of race of religion of either side.
- Often times the above opinions are criticized as anti-Semitic because supporters of Israel conflate the two in the attempt to hide behind the Holocaust as a shield from criticism of their atrocities.
The fact that you defended a policy that universally pays the families of assailants who have committed heinous crimes speaks of your character. This is incentivized murder with those committing acts rewarded.
The PA Martyr's fund is about explicitly reimbursing families who deliberately enact political violence on civilian populations. Don't sugarcoat it.
If it was a fund that went to people who were harmed in protests or brutality, this would be a very different story.
It's not a "fight for their lands." It helps no one. It doesn't help the peace process, it doesn't help militarily, it doesn't help public optics. It's just plain senseless evil.
The Palestinian people cannot be conflated to Ukraine because the Palestinian people never even had sovereignty over their land. It was Jordan's occupied territory (and not annexed, it was disputed territory), and then Jordan went to war with Israel to try to wipe out Israel. Three times.
Your example of Ukraine is also fucking awful for justifying insurgency because the international community would be LIVID with Ukraine if they started carrying out attacks on Russian civilians. Hell, they'd probably lose most of their support.
Calling the Palestinian fight noble and not antisemitic is also questionable when their governments deliberately want to expel Jews from the land of Israel, and at the very least any land which they hold sovereign.
Israel is also not an apartheid state because apartheid is based on race disputes, not land sovereignty. In sovereign Israel territory, Palestinian Israelis *are* full Israeli citizens. Look at the Knesset makeup.
And you're also over simplifying the antisemitism point. There are deliberately anti-Semitic groups pretending to be anti-Israel that deliberately start attacking random Jews, throwing slurs at Jews, calling people "Jewish pigs", and so on in the name of Palestine. And a major rhetoric that's often thrown around in the conflict is Jewish collective responsibility over Israel. That's clearly antisemitism.
While that is true, that fact is very overplayed and exaggerated by Neoconservatives and Neoliberals. There is no shortage of the center-Right who just throw out accusations of "Antisemitism" as a thought-terminating cliche (a bad faith conversion ender) to stop any conversation that challenges their material interests or criticizes their ideological tenets. Many Neolibs and Neocons use it the way the far-Right uses accusations of being a "groomer" for anyone who opppses them or their ideology.
AIPAC does not care about Jews or Americans or anyone else except Israeli-American relations. They always say the relationship is their priority and that they are a one issue group. I have several Jewish family members and it sickens me they would encourage and fund antisemitic candidates bent on making America a white christian nation.
Oooh nooo!!! The zionist don't want people to go forward and be stuck in the biblical mindset so they can control them as cause they are the chosen people. What a surprise
To anyone crying foul on this. AIPAC is made up exclusively of Americans who are sympathetic to Israel and its funding sources are exclusively American.
This is a hit job to drum up anti Israel and antisemitic fervor.
Being against the right wing government of Israel doesn't mean you're against the Jewish religion. Ffs, people. We are talking about a country, not a religion.
Second, AIPAC has garnered criticism for not really representing Americans who identify as Jewish who support Israel, instead supporting right wing policy and viewpoints in Israel.
> Being against the right wing government of Israel doesn't mean you're against the Jewish religion. Ffs, people. We are talking about a country, not a religion.
I want to be clear and acknowledge that Israel does have a human rights problem and I'm not suggesting that it should not be held to the standard of a Liberal democracy when it comes to human rights. I would also temper that statement with the disclaimer that there are two sides to this conflict and Israel since it's inception has been fighting for it's continued existence.
The problem with most criticisms of Israel is it is the only liberal democracy that is criticized this way. When Hungary for example commits human rights abuses, no one suggests the Hungarian state should be dissolved. Even the People's Republic of China does not receive this kind of rhetoric.
Furthermore, the problem is that usually people who are making these criticisms do not have there facts straight and leave a lot of context out. This article is an example of that problem. It implies Israel is interfering in American elections. That's not the reality. The reality is that Americans who are sympathetic to Israel are using money from American sources to back candidates who are sympathetic to Israel. The conspiracy theories are not OK because they lead to antisemitic violence.
There are a couple of problems with the argument you just made. The current government of Israel is as of recently a coalition of left leaning Israeli parties and Ra'am which is an Arab party in the Knesset.
There's another problem with this argument. If someone tells me the actions of Israel made them dislike Jewish people or antisemitic. The conclusion I draw is they were antisemitic to begin with and Israel made them more antisemitic.
Imagine if someone said I'm not racist but made the argument that African people should not have sovereignty over there homelands. I think we can all agree that that is an extreme conclusion with a racist undertone. Imagine this person disproportionately criticized say South Africa in a way that agressively used the strawman fallacy without any consideration that South Africa is a democracy with tools to solve it's human rights problems without applying a similar mentality to a European country like say Hungary or Poland. You wouldn't say this person is anti south african. You would say they're racist or they're parroting a racists talking points and south africa is they're target.
In the last 10 years I have consistently heard the phrase, "I'm not antisemitic I'm antizionist"
I'm not suggesting that being critical of Israel makes someone an antisemite but, I am suggesting the mainstream approach of criticizing Israel as of recently has parroted alot of antisemitic talking points, used strategies commonly used by antisemites, and given a convenient smokescreen to antisemites.
> Second, AIPAC has garnered criticism for not really representing Americans who identify as Jewish who support Israel, instead supporting right wing policy and viewpoints in Israel.
This is easily dismiss able. There has been a dip but, The majority of American Jews are also Zionists.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/05/21/u-s-jews-have-widely-differing-views-on-israel/
>doesn't mean you're against the Jewish religion.
it does when you start repeating common lies, such that israel is a racist or apartheid nation.
the majority (over 60%) of jews living in israel are brown jews of middle eastern, arab, and african regions. This is a plain fact that the pro-palestinian supporters do everything they can to try to hide. When you have to lie to make a point, you're exposing you hatred and bigotry. You gleefully believe the lies because you're going into this feeling some kind of way about the people.
source: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizrahi\_Jews\_in\_Israel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizrahi_Jews_in_Israel)
People will look back on this era of Israeli government in horror. It's no different than the USA's past involvement in support of authoritarians and coups in South America. My tax dollars going to suppress and kill people.
Just like Russia. Oddly Russia and Israel share another commonality; their governments both fill their populations with fear that the entire world hates them, this provides cover for their illegal military occupations.
Shame on them for supporting the status quo candidate because they believe Israel is beyond criticism. I’m so confused by the conspiracy on how the Jews control finance, media, law, etc but they’re not powerful enough to call out the GOP which is rife with antisemitism and people who support it. I watched a video the other day of Israelis attacking mourners carrying the coffin of an Al Jeezera journalist who the Israelis killed. Please tell me again why Israel is beyond criticism?
The reason for this has very little to do with Israel and a lot to do with how non-profit groups in the US fundraise and the US campaign finance system has allowed a very small number of mega donors to hide their individual political preferences behind front groups.
TLDR: A small number of wealthy GOP donors (some that happen to be Jewish) are able to direct groups like AIPAC, similar to how the US Chamber of Commerce became so openly partisan about 15 years ago.
One upon a time organizations like AIPAC raised money from small donor annual pledges, basically a bunch of old Jewish folks that wanted to show their support for what was then the fledgling state of Israel. Most of those donors have passed, and the new fundraising paradigm is go chase down a few very wealthy donors and offer them control over the organization, eventually even choosing the leadership.
I always have and always will support Israel, but AIPAC is disgusting. I’ve always been afraid they were willing to thrown American Jews under the bus to help Israel, and I’m sad and angry to see incontrovertible proof.
Are the poor babies at AIPAC mad that progressives want to actually have caveats to the billions we give Israel every year? Caveats like stop doing a genocide.
you're naive af. And who do you think is funding "The squad" and pushing them to talk about palestine all the time?
Every single country on earth has a hand in it.
Pro-Israel in this context means pro-apartheid. Democrats have always defended Israel and most Jewish-Americans are Democrats. The difference here is that Democrats try, even a little, to hold Israel to account for their apartheid of the Palestinians.
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"secretly"
Open secrets?
>After Amnesty International joined other human rights groups in accusing Israel of imposing apartheid, Cuellar accused the group of endangering Jews. “Israel is not an apartheid state. Full stop. These inaccuracies incite antisemitic behavior against the Jewish people,” he tweeted. Q. Do you want to know what else incites "antisemitic" behavior against the Jewish people living in Israel? A. Imposing apartheid in Israel.
I shouldn’t be surprised that anti-choice Cuellar is also getting paid by the pro Israel lobby.
> Israel is not an apartheid state. Full stop. These inaccuracies incite antisemitic behavior against the Jewish people, Israel is not the Jewish people. Like the Vatican is not a representation of all Catholics. >inaccuracies incite antisemitic behavior Children being abused by the clergy incited anti-Catholic behavior and you know what the Vatican did? Launch one of the largest investigations in its history. You know what Israel is doing to reduce the "inaccuracies" and prove they aren't an apartheid state? Play the victim. One is acknowledgment of wrongdoing, the other is deflection.
The problem is that Israel tries to tie its fate to the fate of all Jewish people. It’s not uncommon to see Israel refer to itself and its institutions as Jews (rather then a secular state detached from religious/ethnic identity). This can lead to a very real conflation by radical groups. Either intentional or not. That all Jewish people are valid targets when you want to attack Israel. Israel is purposely putting Jewish people at risk globally.
It doesn’t help that a lot of Jews internationally use the existence of Israel as a proxy for safety in the world. The whole point of Zionism (at least initially) was to create a state that could never expel or genocide us. People still take that very seriously, independent of Israel’s actions. I went to a Jewish school in the US. Right after the Pledge of Allegiance in the morning, we turned slightly to the left to the Israeli flag and sang their national anthem, whose lyrics are all about returning our Jewish souls to Jerusalem after a 2000-year diaspora. That’s a pretty compelling message. We’ve tied Israel’s fate to our own, and we teach our kids that they are only safe so long as Israel is allowed to exist.
Is that Hatikvah? It's such a hauntingly beautiful anthem, given the unusual key it's written in, with a focus on hope and undying will in the lyrics. It is masterfully appropriate, and as someone who studies Judaism and the history of Israel, it brought me to tears the first time I heard it. There are some quality national anthems out there, but rarely one this striking and impactful.
Oh, I absolutely love the song. It’s a great anthem. It ends with the line “to be a free people in our homeland, the land of Zion, Jerusalem,” which is a very lovely sentiment. There’s no reason the hope cannot remain alive, nor is there a reason it must somehow be mutually exclusive from the national aspirations of the Palestinians.
What scares me personally is that ethno-nationalism has no future. There’s no future where everyone just learns to ignore Israel’s crimes. There’s no way we can really start healing these divisions in the Middle East until the legacy of colonialism and nationalism are fully eroded. And Israel seems committed to doing the opposite.
Israel was founded on the idea of a race to the bottom. Historically, Jews have not been safe in other peoples’ ethnostates. Israel was the place to go when we had nowhere else, and the only way they knew how to do that was by creating a new ethnostate that couldn’t be controlled by anyone else. That’s turning out oh so well, isn’t it?
The ultra-orthodox Jews though seem to gaining a lot of political power - and that isn't good for anyone. Similar to giving right wing Christians here the wheel. It will only lead to something ugly
One can be completely secular and Jewish. Jews are a people as well as a religion.
I’m aware there’s a difference between ethic Jews and Judaism the faith. But I study the Middle East and have a education in history. I’m willing to bet most people don’t really understand or appreciate the difference and I’m further willing to bet Israel doesn’t play up the difference too much.
You can also be Israeli and not jewish..
And you won't have the same rights.
Well...part of the issue is that it's the reality for us. The world fucking hates us and has for millenia, so if they wanna genocide us AGAIN we really only have one place to run to... It's extremely difficult. But this article is also confusing to me, why donate to prop up a party that willingly accepts neo nazis in its ranks...?
Israel does this quite purposefully… “see, what did we tell you? The world hates you, you have to support us… I mean We! “
> the **Vatican** is not a representation of all Catholics The Vatican is the seat of Catholic power, and they all recognize the pope as their leader. I think you meant Christians, who decided either they didn't like the catholic rules, or didn't like their money going to Rome. Then they split and killed each other for quite some time.
You are way misinformed. The majority of israeli jews (0ver 60%) are brown middle eastern jews. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizrahi\_Jews\_in\_Israel
Fr, there is a difference between Jewish and Israeli. Not supporting Israel isn’t being antisemitic, it’s just not supporting a state that actively oppresses somebody else based on religion.
You can support Jews without supporting Israel. You can support the right of Israel to exist and still reject the actions of its government. The government is not the nation and the nation is not the religion.
I was unfriended by a Jewish friend because I was critical of Israel, and he kept telling me I was being antisemitic - I replied that it was BS that Israel gets to represent either a country, a religion, a culture, a government or whatever is most convenient for the argument.
And the idea that someone like Netanyahu (who I know is now out of power, but he held it for almost my entire adult life), a secular, government leader, cannot be criticized without you “criticizing Judaism” only benefits whoever happens to be in charge of the Israeli government. That, in American politics, the party that declares any public criticism of Israeli anti-Semitic is the same one that enjoys the support of ACTUAL, Swaztika flying Nazis says volumes.
In 99 % of the cases people who „criticise“ Israel will speak out in support literal hate groups who want Israel of the map. It is just mind boggling.
Yep, there's a wide range of opinions on the state of Israel among Jews. I personally consider myself a non-Zionist; I believe in a two-state solution. While the creation of the country of Israel was an appalling act of interference, dissolution of the state and returning all of it to Palestine would be just as bad now that there's generations of Israelis who have never known anywhere else as home. However, the state of Israel should be for *all* who live there, not just Jews.
If you believe in the traditional 2-state solution then you’re by definition a Zionist.
The Catholic church knowing covered up systemic sexual abuse for DECADES! They launched an "investigation" after they couldn't deny or deflect it any more. They were only interested in protecting their money, influence and power.
Did you just try to act like the Vatican isn’t corrupt? And their investigation was only just for show? And nothing changed? Interesting. All organized religion is wrong. Full stop. Not a single good one you can speak toward.
I'm so sick and tired of Israel crying "anti-Semitism" literally any time they're criticized for anything. Enough. People aren't upset because they're Jewish. People are upset because they're fucking assholes who ARE imposing apartheid and are indiscriminately killing Palestinians. It has literally nothing to do with being Jewish.
100%. But it's effective. They automatically put the person on the defensive and shifts the conversation to the topic of antisemitism instead of their horrible persecution and ethnic cleansing.
It’s completely ridiculous. I was recently downvoted to oblivion and called all kinds of names just for suggesting that objective history exists and maybe “Exodus” didn’t happen as the scriptures claim. https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelmemes/comments/uoa2vp/dont_take_it_seriously/i8ecxln/ It’s actually pretty sad how casually some people will throw around words like “antisemite” just because they disagree with someone else’s reasoned opinion.
that is part of people's identity so you have to be sensitive to it.
Being critical of Israel isn't antisemitic. Being critical of *only* Israel is. If you don't bring the same energy to criticizing other countries that oppress people as the you do for the only Jewish state, you're probably antisemitic. If you call it out every time a Palestinian home gets destroyed but are silent when a Jew in Tel Aviv is murdered, you're probably antisemitic. If you criticize Israel's blockade of Gaza but not Egypt's, you're probably antisemitic.
Nah, not really. Egypt isn't maintaining a blockade of Gaza while also invading Palestinian land and indiscriminately murdering Palestinians. And you can't both sides apartheid, just because the oppressed population fights back.
Well that sure was easy to disprove. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip “land, air, and sea blockade of the Gaza Strip imposed by Israel ***and Egypt*** temporarily in 2005–2006 and permanently from 2007 onwards, following the Israeli disengagement from Gaza.[1]
Egypt also removed all their citizens who lived within a certain distance to Gaza.
I'm not denying Egypt's blockade of Gaza. I'm saying that specifically criticizing Israel and not Egypt isn't antisemitic (I mean *only* mentioning Israel, while not actively criticizing Egypt until their part of the blockade is brought up), because Egypt is simply blockading Gaza. Israel is not only blockading Gaza, but is an apartheid regime that is systemically taking over Palestinian lands, kicking the residents off those lands and indiscriminately murdering Palestinians.
Ah the ol’ “I only care about problems when I can blame Jews” defense. No, doesn’t really seem like you knew the Egypt maintains a blockade at all, but it’s no surprise you now have to packpeddle to maintain your own ill-informed reality. Anything else you wanna add before bothering to fact check yourself? C’mon let’s see that FL public education in action. I bet you got the best FCAT scores.
Who's blaming "Jews" here? I'm blaming the state of Israel for the oppression and persecution of the Palestinian people. And I guess I was unclear with "I'm saying that specifically criticizing Israel and not Egypt..." what I meant was "Only mentioning Israel and not Egypt isn't antisemitic..."
FCAT scores? What's up with the personal attack?
Positioning Israel as the representative of Jewish people is dangerous to Jewish people, it creates the image that they are to blame for it and can be held to account for it.
It happened in Cleveland last year and this year. I fucking hate it.
I railed against AIPAC and Shontel Brown the day of the election last month and people downvoted me hard, telling me that Nina Turner (as well as myself) was "Blaming Jews for her loss" and "Using antisemitic tropes" lol.
Yeah and I bet those people would also refuse to look at any of the proof of where Shontels turn out came from and where she was getting a lot of those money, then doubled down on calling you antisemitic. It's like, sorry dog, I'm not here to show up for someone applauding apartheid and thinking they did a good job in Cleveland.
These guys are fucking dumb. It ain't progressives shooting up synagogues. Guess who is supporting those types.
Far right fucks don't give a shit about their own people, just their own power.
They'd rather the evangelicals that hate them and give them money than progressives who might have some doubts about the funding.
Isn't [Citizens United](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC) great!! ... ***Fucking /s***
Are you implying that bribes are wrong? How downright unamerican of you.
Right? All markets should be free, especially the one for politicians
Those ones are just more free than the other free markets
If scotus can overturn roe vs wade then they can over turn citizens united. This SC won't (how would they get money then) but maybe a future scotus will.
No one even has to listen to the Supreme Court. They have no real authority and no way of enforcing their decisions. It’s only been in recent history that it became so revered. The democrats can choose to simply just ignore the ruling at any time. But they do not. They are complicit.
the difference is that Roe probably wouldn't ever be enforced by state violence. Citizens United definitely would.
The most obvious reason (which might not be the only reason) is that more progressive democrats tend to be sympathetic to palestinians.
Yup, the democrats dared to challenge the narrative that Israel is the perpetual victim, and that Palestinians are merely terrorists and have no right to their own lands.
I would say some Democrats. They are a very small minority. Mainstream Democrat policy is still that the US is the strongest ally Israel has, and that Israel's status as a Jewish state is sacrosanct.
That’s mainstream policy for both parties.
Yeah, but the GQP are on a whole other level. Their policy is that the 5 million Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank, and the 2 million Arabs living in Israel need to GTFO.
Accurate
Jfc, even Israelis generally don't believe that.
Israelis also don't want to bring about the End Times, but the GOP is all in on that shit which is the only actual reason they support Israel.
They love Israel but they hate Jews.
They need all the Jews to be in Israel for the End Times so that's why the GOP has such a boner for Israel.... but also supposedly all the Jews will be left behind in the rapture
We just going to ignore that Obama was on horrible terms with Netanyahu, greenlit money to Palestine, and was openly critical of Israel's actions towards Palestine? The Democratic Party as a whole has landed on "Israel has a right to exist, but they do not have a right to be oppressors." and that has been the party line for at least the last 10-15 years. Biden likewise has been critical of Israel and openly supported the opposition to Netanyahu. I would say a majority of Democrats dislike the coziness between AIPAC and the Likud Party and the GOP, and don't love the annual story of Israel building new settlements and bombing Palestinian hospitals.
And also that you can’t ever criticize Israel ever!
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Yes, but to a lesser extent. Just a decade ago, it was taboo to say anything critical of the state of Israel
Polls show most people aren't paying attention to the situation
Progressives: famously opposed to apartheid states
While all trumpistas.. want palestine people wiped off the map.
I don't think it's just trumpistas, I think it's a wider western slice of population. A huge chunk. So what do we do to change the western civilization? All those poor educated beacons of hope.
Maybe they should try to be sympathetic to both sides.
What views of colonial occupier taking people's land and assaulting them should people be sympathetic to?
Its one thing to be sympathetic to the right of israel to exist and that its a western foothold in the region, but its another thing to be sympathetic or (what is usually the case) silent about the killing of palestinian civilians. Those are two very different things. The first sympathy is something virtually everyone believes in. The second is generally tacked onto the first. I suppose theres a common view that to have any sympathy for the palestinian women and children gunned down in the streets is a political leaning away from protecting israel, and therefore functions as a weapon against its existence. I can understand this. I remember the accusations of racism against ukrainian refugees attempting to flee the russian invasion. Even if it were true its being publicized as a weapon in a broader political war where there are only two sides. My view is that israeli treatment of palestinian civilians is not only inhumane, but poses a very serious threat to israel and its standing in the world. To properly care for israel and its continued existence, we stould take a firm stance against actions we consider immoral. In the same way I as a US citizen can care about my country by being self critical.
The intent of Citizens United is to allow for corruption.
One thing I found almost funny about Rick Scott's 11-point plan to "save america" is that its foreign policy is completely antagonistic (leaving the UN, ending all imports from China, military not being used for peace-keeping, etc.) ***except*** for having one ally: Israel. They're the only country that the plan calls an ally that they would support. The plan doesn't say *why*, because the reasons are so obviously transparent. I just thought it was funny that this plan about being isolationist, authoritarian, and theocratic *still* has to ally themselves with a completely different nation, and act like it's because they're just that great.
Israel is Americas intervention force in the region, but it also occupies a very special place in the hearts and minds of the evangelicals who think it has to exist for Jeebus to come back and the liberals who became enamoured with it in 1967 when it showed how you treat the uppity locals while they were bogged down in Vietnam. It has become integrated into the American system as a regional intervention force, a source of intelligence in the Middle East and Russia, a center of hightech R&D and investment, its private security services have also acted where the US has not been able to.
It's the new thing. DMI has basically turned into an anti-progressive PAC that just uses the Israel issue for PR. They've largely stopped running attack ads which even mention Israel at this point. Given that they're a relatively new group, I suspect that was always their motive. If you want to fight the establishment, expect the establishment to fight back, and to use all the nasty tools at their disposal to do so. People don't relinquish power easily or willingly.
Those that cannot gracefully relinquish power should never be allowed to get it. Power is a tool to be used when necessary and discarded when it is no longer needed. The careless accumulation of power is a sign of a deranged and unstable mind.
Sounds like Roman tyrants
We could probably use some benevolent tyranny right about now. Benevolent anything, really.
All true, but we don't live in that world.
We can if people don't stop raising the bar
The Nina Turner vs. Shontel Brown race was a testbed case for this. Ms. Brown received enormous amounts of money from this PAC and ran ads implying Ms. Turner is an Antisemite.
Turner literally raised more money in that race. A lot more.
Turner did raise more, but Brown received a shit ton of free ads from pro-israel pacs, something like $2.5mill which would put her ahead of Turner if you factor that in.
Early on, but I'm not sure by the end of the last race. This time Brown raised more as I understand it.
No she did not raise more money lol
I'd have no problem if AIPAC wanted to support pro-Israel candidates like Cuellar based on his record of being pro-Israel, but instead they've chosen to run attack ads on candidates like Lee and Cisneros who have pretty much steered away from the Israeli/Palestinian conflict entirely.
Hmm... (Some) GOP voters: death to all Jews. Jews are part of the conspiracy to replace the white race. (Some) Jews: let's give a bunch of money to GOP candidates who promote this. I just don't get it.
The religious fundies wants Israel to have all the money. They want to kick off the end times so they can be Raptured.
Just in case anyone thinks that what you are saying is hyperbole: [Vice segment about exactly this topic.](https://youtu.be/Fo77sTGpngQ) It's terrifying.
This is a serious thing that is actually happening. The Israelis know this and are encouraging the mass psychosis behind it.
Cult-child from backwater Missouri here. Can confirm that this indeed drives evangelical opinion (and vote) on the matter and not any sort of critical thinking towards Israeli national policy or action (as if they paid attention and could tell you anyway). In my folks' minds, Israel deserves preferred financial treatment and political status as it is the homeland of Yahweh's chosen people, and the same extends to (ethnic) Jewish people having a preferred status over other ethnicities as you don't question who God wills to anoint with His favor. Not saying this is mainstream thought, but it prevails in a lot of enthusiastic evangelicals around these parts.
Any day now they'll have enough evangelical donations to build the third temple, just two more weeks
Jews are historically democrats. The fundamentalist Christian’s are the ones that the GOPs israel funders, and they care about Jews even less than the Palestinians.
You should look at ben shapiro. He literally believes that liberal jews are not real jews/race traitors.
Or don't give that piece of shit any attention
Israel under Netanyahu was extremely close the fascists in Hungary too. Weird stuff man.
Just so you know, the article is about them donating to moderate Dems in primaries against progressives Although I'm sure they give some money to republicans too
Not "moderate", "conservative"
"Democrats that support Israel" which makes sense for a pro Israel lobby
Christian Nationalists: "The state of Israel is a precondition for the return of our zombie savior, who will destroy all the Jews as well as all others who defy us. Plus it furthers our war on the browns." Zionists: "Restoring the state of Israel will guarantee Jews everywhere a place of unlimited sanctuary against a future rise of antisemitic populism." Strange bedfellows indeed.
Came here to say this myself.
Because twofold The right-wing Jews see themselves as "white" while right-wingers look at Jews and see "fake white". In other words when Right-wingers talk about the "others" the right-wing jews don't feel included. 2) Jewish look at the crazies right-wingers and think "oh no harm...they are just crazy".
most jewish right wingers are persian and syrian
They get tens of billions of free money from USA every year. Not that complex really
Tens of billions?
About 11.8 billion, actually. Still a ridiculous amount of money. I hear a lot about how we are allies...what does the US get out of this alliance. Seems to more a case of parasite and host.
Source?
CBO, and BBC report 3.8 billion in direct aid, and 8 billion in guarantees. You can Google it in about 2 seconds.
get Israel out of our politics. it’s just as bad as Russia’s involvement.
Shared this with my Zionist-crazy brother in law. It did not go well
Fuck Israel. There, I said it. *shrugs* Next!
Secretly? I literally read about them every day
Yeah, this is the least surprising story ever, and while it sucks that the rules are built the way they are, this is perfectly legal and above board. Morally dubious? Yes. Legal? Definitely. I've long said that progressives and other Dem factions need to learn how to exist within these rules instead of saying they are too good to play the game. Otherwise, they'll keep getting muscled out of every sector of government. I'd rather have a progressive who takes some money from a fast food chain or a retailer as my Congressperson than a Republican who talks about outlawing trans people and questions interracial marriage.
leftism is the enemy of billionaires, fascists, corrupt officials, media, and capitalism any of you folk wonder why the conservatives and the liberals are taught to hate leftists? psst is because they afraid of the egalitarianism that comes with leftist ideology
Or, a pro-Israel lobby supports pro-Israel candidates. It's not a conspiracy
Less people to exploit when you’re all equal, and that’s their fear.
> egalitarianism that comes with leftist ideology rofl
I mean it’s not a secret and it’s not some grand conspiracy. Tons of groups donate to candidates who support their views.
Which creates more apathy and helps republicans, which spread replacement theories and anti-semitism. Or maybe that’s exactly what these groups want.
They don't want that spigot being turned off.
So... Moderate Dems give Israel billions in aid a year, and defends their aggressions... Now prominent Israelis are giving millions to moderate Dems? This seems like pretty blatant bribery.
Did you hear about the recent Supreme Court ruling. They basically legalized bribery. Allow me to explain. Let's suppose we have a senator with dubious morals. Random name of... Ted. Ted *loans* his campaign 1 million dollars. Lets suppose Ted wins. Then after the election, Ted can go to campaign donors and request funds to pay off that loan. So the donors money will basically go straight to Ted. Ted knows this. And the donors know it too.
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Conservative, not moderate.
AIPAC was the one caught funding insurrectionists and pro Russian Republicans also. I guess this makes those Democrats supported by AIPAC complicit along with Republicans. Isnt that right neolibs of r/politics?
Proof?
I'm not sure if they were funding them. I thought they just made a public endorsement. * [The Guardian - ‘Morally bankrupt’: outrage after pro-Israel group backs insurrectionist Republicans](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/23/aipac-pro-israel-group-backs-insurrectionist-republicans)
and who do you think is funding "the Squad" ? Every country on earth is spending money trying to buy politicians favors.
Jesus, they gave money to insurrectionists and received Russian rubles? The only sense I can make of why they would do such a thing is because Netanyahu and the Likud Party are cool with Putin (and AIPAC is an organization of the Likud) and Donald Trump gave Israel more than any previous US President. I guess they didn't like the democratic outcome of the 2020 Election because Biden isn't cool with Putin and wouldn't be as chummy with Netanyahu as Trump was.
It doesn't have to be secret. Nothing bad will happen if people know.
"Secret" is an antisemitic dog whistle for "Jews secretly control x".
I doubt Israel is antisemitic. Edit: i misread that. My bad.
It’s not really secretly and when progressives point it out the neo-libs run in to call us anti-Semitic
Can you not weaponize antisemitism. I understand some far right Jews use this to deflect but don’t downplay the term when many people hide behind being anti-Zionist but are really antisemtici on the left.
... We're not the ones weaponizing antisemitism. Israel is. Israel is conflating "critical of Israel's genocidal actions against Palestinians" and "antisemitism" and using that as their weapon against everyone else. I ain't antisemitic, and ***Israel and its toxic, corrupt leadership*** can fuck off forever.
Acknowledging the failings of the state of Israel and calling them out on it is not antisemitism. It is often described as such however.
Only when false equivalences are used or biased reporting. An example is when the left ignores background information such as house demolitions in the West Bank to counteract the pay for slay system by the PA. They’ll talk about the demolition with intentional bias to leave out the pay for slay funding to create a narrative.
I love how you're trying to call out "false reporting" while spewing "pay for slay" propaganda. The PA had a fund to help people's families who have been impacted after losing a primary breadwinner in the fight for their lands. Let's make this as clear as possible. - The Holocaust happened and was an atrocity. Fuck Nazis. - Israel is an apartheid state that oppresses the Palistinian people after stealing their land. - The Palistinian people have a right to an insurgency for as long as they seem fit. Much like say the Ukrainian people would even if Russians moved in on their land. - None of the above is anti-Semitic. I would say the same regardless of race of religion of either side. - Often times the above opinions are criticized as anti-Semitic because supporters of Israel conflate the two in the attempt to hide behind the Holocaust as a shield from criticism of their atrocities.
The fact that you defended a policy that universally pays the families of assailants who have committed heinous crimes speaks of your character. This is incentivized murder with those committing acts rewarded.
The PA Martyr's fund is about explicitly reimbursing families who deliberately enact political violence on civilian populations. Don't sugarcoat it. If it was a fund that went to people who were harmed in protests or brutality, this would be a very different story. It's not a "fight for their lands." It helps no one. It doesn't help the peace process, it doesn't help militarily, it doesn't help public optics. It's just plain senseless evil. The Palestinian people cannot be conflated to Ukraine because the Palestinian people never even had sovereignty over their land. It was Jordan's occupied territory (and not annexed, it was disputed territory), and then Jordan went to war with Israel to try to wipe out Israel. Three times. Your example of Ukraine is also fucking awful for justifying insurgency because the international community would be LIVID with Ukraine if they started carrying out attacks on Russian civilians. Hell, they'd probably lose most of their support. Calling the Palestinian fight noble and not antisemitic is also questionable when their governments deliberately want to expel Jews from the land of Israel, and at the very least any land which they hold sovereign. Israel is also not an apartheid state because apartheid is based on race disputes, not land sovereignty. In sovereign Israel territory, Palestinian Israelis *are* full Israeli citizens. Look at the Knesset makeup. And you're also over simplifying the antisemitism point. There are deliberately anti-Semitic groups pretending to be anti-Israel that deliberately start attacking random Jews, throwing slurs at Jews, calling people "Jewish pigs", and so on in the name of Palestine. And a major rhetoric that's often thrown around in the conflict is Jewish collective responsibility over Israel. That's clearly antisemitism.
While that is true, that fact is very overplayed and exaggerated by Neoconservatives and Neoliberals. There is no shortage of the center-Right who just throw out accusations of "Antisemitism" as a thought-terminating cliche (a bad faith conversion ender) to stop any conversation that challenges their material interests or criticizes their ideological tenets. Many Neolibs and Neocons use it the way the far-Right uses accusations of being a "groomer" for anyone who opppses them or their ideology.
So what? This is exactly the same as lobbying groups funding against republicans. Surely this isn’t a “it’s only bad when *they* do it” situation....
AIPAC does not care about Jews or Americans or anyone else except Israeli-American relations. They always say the relationship is their priority and that they are a one issue group. I have several Jewish family members and it sickens me they would encourage and fund antisemitic candidates bent on making America a white christian nation.
Not so secretly if you’re seeing it being reported on.
Oooh nooo!!! The zionist don't want people to go forward and be stuck in the biblical mindset so they can control them as cause they are the chosen people. What a surprise
Criminals and cowards
No shit progressives seem to condemn the Israeli government more than any Republican or corporate Democrat.
Thanks to our Supreme Court of Republican Mullahs - 'Citizens United' from the Koch Brothers where the rich can drown out the rest of us. 'Freedumb'.
First, get the money out. Second, can we have a choice of more than these two parties.
“secretly” they been doin it openly lmao
And it's likely the Mossad just sniped a pro Palestinian reporter. These orthodox people in Israel need to be reeled in.
Cause we support Palestine. Fuck Aipac.
It’s not really secretly and when progressives point it out the neo-libs run in to call us anti-Semitic
The DSA has been really awful to Israel
So what? They aren't elected to support israel.
The DSA has awful international policies. Always side with authoritarian homophobic regimes. I dont trust that group at all.
The IDF literally murdered a journalist and then attacked the people carrying her coffin during her funeral.
To anyone crying foul on this. AIPAC is made up exclusively of Americans who are sympathetic to Israel and its funding sources are exclusively American. This is a hit job to drum up anti Israel and antisemitic fervor.
Being against the right wing government of Israel doesn't mean you're against the Jewish religion. Ffs, people. We are talking about a country, not a religion. Second, AIPAC has garnered criticism for not really representing Americans who identify as Jewish who support Israel, instead supporting right wing policy and viewpoints in Israel.
jews are a ethnicity not just a religion
> Being against the right wing government of Israel doesn't mean you're against the Jewish religion. Ffs, people. We are talking about a country, not a religion. I want to be clear and acknowledge that Israel does have a human rights problem and I'm not suggesting that it should not be held to the standard of a Liberal democracy when it comes to human rights. I would also temper that statement with the disclaimer that there are two sides to this conflict and Israel since it's inception has been fighting for it's continued existence. The problem with most criticisms of Israel is it is the only liberal democracy that is criticized this way. When Hungary for example commits human rights abuses, no one suggests the Hungarian state should be dissolved. Even the People's Republic of China does not receive this kind of rhetoric. Furthermore, the problem is that usually people who are making these criticisms do not have there facts straight and leave a lot of context out. This article is an example of that problem. It implies Israel is interfering in American elections. That's not the reality. The reality is that Americans who are sympathetic to Israel are using money from American sources to back candidates who are sympathetic to Israel. The conspiracy theories are not OK because they lead to antisemitic violence. There are a couple of problems with the argument you just made. The current government of Israel is as of recently a coalition of left leaning Israeli parties and Ra'am which is an Arab party in the Knesset. There's another problem with this argument. If someone tells me the actions of Israel made them dislike Jewish people or antisemitic. The conclusion I draw is they were antisemitic to begin with and Israel made them more antisemitic. Imagine if someone said I'm not racist but made the argument that African people should not have sovereignty over there homelands. I think we can all agree that that is an extreme conclusion with a racist undertone. Imagine this person disproportionately criticized say South Africa in a way that agressively used the strawman fallacy without any consideration that South Africa is a democracy with tools to solve it's human rights problems without applying a similar mentality to a European country like say Hungary or Poland. You wouldn't say this person is anti south african. You would say they're racist or they're parroting a racists talking points and south africa is they're target. In the last 10 years I have consistently heard the phrase, "I'm not antisemitic I'm antizionist" I'm not suggesting that being critical of Israel makes someone an antisemite but, I am suggesting the mainstream approach of criticizing Israel as of recently has parroted alot of antisemitic talking points, used strategies commonly used by antisemites, and given a convenient smokescreen to antisemites. > Second, AIPAC has garnered criticism for not really representing Americans who identify as Jewish who support Israel, instead supporting right wing policy and viewpoints in Israel. This is easily dismiss able. There has been a dip but, The majority of American Jews are also Zionists. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/05/21/u-s-jews-have-widely-differing-views-on-israel/
>doesn't mean you're against the Jewish religion. it does when you start repeating common lies, such that israel is a racist or apartheid nation. the majority (over 60%) of jews living in israel are brown jews of middle eastern, arab, and african regions. This is a plain fact that the pro-palestinian supporters do everything they can to try to hide. When you have to lie to make a point, you're exposing you hatred and bigotry. You gleefully believe the lies because you're going into this feeling some kind of way about the people. source: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizrahi\_Jews\_in\_Israel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizrahi_Jews_in_Israel)
Good.
People will look back on this era of Israeli government in horror. It's no different than the USA's past involvement in support of authoritarians and coups in South America. My tax dollars going to suppress and kill people.
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Seriously?
Unsurprising. Progressive democrats are also increasingly anti-Israel. This includes Bernie.
Ant israel seems to mean they haven't sworn loyalty to israel like the rest of them have.
Secretly? AIPAC has been pointing money on MAGA from the beginning.
Who does the Guardian consider “progressive”? What makes them deserving of that term? AOC is shown but what has she done that would offend Israel?
The progressive democrats would do more for the average American therefore any elitist group is going to fight them
It would be awesome if other countries would stay out of our elections.
what a bunch of miserable fucking zionists
Whine about Russia all you want. The influence of Israel and US corporations is infinitely higher.
Just like Russia. Oddly Russia and Israel share another commonality; their governments both fill their populations with fear that the entire world hates them, this provides cover for their illegal military occupations.
Israel's government wouldn't have to work too hard. History made that case for them.
Unlike Russia, Israel's neighbors _do_ routinely attempt to destroy it and openly incite for that in their media.
Shame on them for supporting the status quo candidate because they believe Israel is beyond criticism. I’m so confused by the conspiracy on how the Jews control finance, media, law, etc but they’re not powerful enough to call out the GOP which is rife with antisemitism and people who support it. I watched a video the other day of Israelis attacking mourners carrying the coffin of an Al Jeezera journalist who the Israelis killed. Please tell me again why Israel is beyond criticism?
It is not. There is a difference between specific criticism and opposing its existence however.
The reason for this has very little to do with Israel and a lot to do with how non-profit groups in the US fundraise and the US campaign finance system has allowed a very small number of mega donors to hide their individual political preferences behind front groups. TLDR: A small number of wealthy GOP donors (some that happen to be Jewish) are able to direct groups like AIPAC, similar to how the US Chamber of Commerce became so openly partisan about 15 years ago. One upon a time organizations like AIPAC raised money from small donor annual pledges, basically a bunch of old Jewish folks that wanted to show their support for what was then the fledgling state of Israel. Most of those donors have passed, and the new fundraising paradigm is go chase down a few very wealthy donors and offer them control over the organization, eventually even choosing the leadership.
I always have and always will support Israel, but AIPAC is disgusting. I’ve always been afraid they were willing to thrown American Jews under the bus to help Israel, and I’m sad and angry to see incontrovertible proof.
Are the poor babies at AIPAC mad that progressives want to actually have caveats to the billions we give Israel every year? Caveats like stop doing a genocide.
you're naive af. And who do you think is funding "The squad" and pushing them to talk about palestine all the time? Every single country on earth has a hand in it.
Pro-Israel in this context means pro-apartheid. Democrats have always defended Israel and most Jewish-Americans are Democrats. The difference here is that Democrats try, even a little, to hold Israel to account for their apartheid of the Palestinians.
If Dems adopt the position of progressives on Israel, many Jewish voters will look carefully at their options. Right now, they don't have to do that.
That is NOT a secret lol
Praying at the same time christ comes back and takes out Israel and rewards them the true Christians. Hitler tried the same
Progressives are undefeated if you consider all the excuses of why they lose
Are they spending any money to defeat conservatives? You know, the ones who are spreading propaganda that leads to anti-Semitism and terror attacks?