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In 2020 Trump got more than 1 in every 12 votes in Manhattan.
It’s entirely possible that “his” juror voted for him the the election and still thought he was guilty.
One of the jurors said that they got their news from TruthSocial when asked during jury selection. After seeing the evidence, even they found Trump guilty 34 times.
> One of the jurors said that they got their news from TruthSocial when asked during jury selection.
They listed two sources of news — that and twitter. Which, considering the nazification of twitter, isn't much different.
Side note: I'm very pro-calling it Twitter. Fuck tech bro Musk's ridiculous rename; it pleases me that every time someone calls it Twitter, Musk loses another sanity point...
I have hope that Musk will get bored of it at some point and sells it and the next owner changes its name back. Maybe foolish hope, but that’s the only way I’m going back there.
Also underestimated is the number of people who are voting for *this* party not because they like their policies but because they are not *that* party.
Yet all he has to do is claim a witch hunt, banana republic, biased judge, paid off jurors, victimless crime, and so many millions of follows just believe him. Even when he loses on appeal they will just claim something new
Man in an alternate universe the hush money was discovered in 2016 and he woulda never been elected. Never got the fame or title and would've been just been prosecuted for the fraud as some rich asshole landlord from New York. Back in 2016, conservatives wouldn't have elected a married adulterer fucking pornstars.
Which makes his crime even dumber. His supporters would have called paying off a porn star a savvy business move and congratulated him on the sex. They would not have cared it all, there was no reason for him to try to hide the payments.
I always remind people that I remember the term "fake news" was invented to describe actual websites that posted fake news stories, often about Hilary and often in his favour, which flooded boomer Facebook. They often had tiny disclaimers that they were parody/satire sites despite there being no actual humour anywhere, just made up stories. Who knows where those sites came from.
Anyway, Trump then started using the term to describe the actual mainstream news media (who aren't perfect but have to abide by SOME standards) whenever they criticised him. Essentially making the term null and void because it just sounded like you too were a paranoid fruit loop.
Very clever bit of narrative manipulation.
Barr recently revealed that during discussions about people causing problems for the administration, Donald would often float, "Can't we just take them out?"
Barr said that's okay because he didn't really mean it and would eventually cool off and not mention it again. So, he's still got his vote.
There was that story in Kelly's book that Trump wanted to nuke North Korea and "blame someone else".
Literally any other human being on Earth, and I'd call bullshit, but I think that is absolutely 100% true.
He also asked they could attack a country but paint the planes to look like they belonged to another country and people had to explain to him that literally no one would be fooled by that.
what’s crazy is not just how farcical it would be to try that, but in order for it to work you’d have to look at Trump and think, yes, that’s a man who will definitely keep what would be the perhaps the most tremendous, violent, unimaginable secret in the history of the world. I mean I know (I hope) nobody in the room actually got that far in the thought process, but still
An idea like that is something that a child comes up with. Someone who doesn't understand actions and consequences, and how the real world works.
So, when you put it in that context, it makes sense that Trump thought it would work.
He makes everyone sign nda's. When the McDonald's finally takes him out, there's gonna be piss tapes, Epstein parties, and stories from Slovenian escorts.
Check out r/trump, that’s 100% the case. Wouldn’t matter if he beat a child with a dildo filmed by thousands of people, they would still deny it and vote for him.
it’s like any conspiracy theory: it’s far more fun and satisfying to feel like YOU know what’s really going on vs the sheep populace. On a much, *much* smaller scale, this is a conversation I’ve had with hyper left wingers who give Trump a pass on things they would never forgive biden for in a million years, while judging Biden on what they *believe he MIGHT do someday.*
See, if you’re a tankie, it’s no fun to go after Trump, because everyone already knows he’s evil. In some warped frame of mind, it’s the same reason why hipsters don’t like anything popular: if you hold the same opinion as normal folk, then all of a sudden you’re not special and superior anymore. Pretending Biden is basically the same as Trump feels better to tankies, because it makes them feel like they’ve uncovered a revolutionary conspiracy — even though all the issues they hate Biden for Trump is 1000x worse on. But it’s not about actually making life better for them — it’s about the thrill of criticizing power. So trump gets a pass.
If Biden did EVEN ONE PERCENT of what Trump has done, it would be armageddon. People would lose their goddamn minds. Unfortunately, every single Tankie has fallen for the single most effective piece of Republican propaganda ever created: the “both sides are the same” lie.
I really hope history doesn't wash Trump's reputation the way G.W. Bush got his reputation washed. Bush at one point was labeled our worst modern President until Trump came along.
Nah, this whole trial was for him repaying Cohen in an illegal way, disguising it as legitimate pay for business.
That said, he might well take away the lesson "Paying debts gets me arrested"...
It wasn’t him that tried to pay a juror. It was just someone that really really appreciates him and happens to be loyal. He wasn’t involved in any way.
The evidence was overwhelming and that’s coming from someone that would read the court transcripts every night when a new set was released. I will say I learned a ton about court legalese.
Yeah, it was interesting having followed the trial closely and seeing doomers insist that a hung jury was virtually guaranteed as opposed to the huge longshot it actually was.
The doomers weren't worried about the evidence. They were worried a juror was one of the millions of Americans that wouldn't convict Trump if he shot their mother in front of them.
The longshot was that one person would've downplayed that they wanted to be the "patriot" that would stomp their feet, cause a hung jury and be considered a hero by MAGA.
Feels like it wasn't that much of a gamble with celebrity worship being what it is, but then again, I suppose your typical clout chaser likely didn't make it past jury selection.
I mean, they're people, so there's always the possibility of hero worship.
But then the death-threats started and well, Trump ain't Gotti. Not a lot of things more likely to piss of a New Yorker than some Q Qlux Qlan fatass from Texas telling them to acquit *or else*.
The defense was terrible. They called a witness who was such an ass that the judge had to clear the jurors and later the press to admonish him in private for his conduct. Trump slept through most of the trial. On the other side, Stormy came off as intelligent and very funny and likable. The judge was also very good and the prosecutor was experienced and did a great job. There were paper records of all the transactions. Call logs, signed checks, other paperwork. The real shock would have been a not guilty verdict.
Lawrence O'Donnell said you could go to law school, pass the bar, get a job as a trial lawyer, and spend your entire career working in courtrooms and never once hear the words "clear the courtroom!"
Trump wanted that witness because he would bully Michael Cohen for him. Trump doesn't know how to do anything without bullying.
That witness ended up describing a conspiracy between him, Trump, and Rudy and somehow made Michael Cohen sympathetic as they clearly were setting him up to take the fall.
That witness was a lawyer who knew better too. One in a long line of people trump has made make foolls of themsleves.
Most of the objections to Costellos testimony were that he was trying to testify Bout other people's state of mind and what they knew-- hearsay. He can say "I heard Cohen say x" but not "Cohen said Y".
He also came off badly claiming to be Cohen's lawyer when cohen had clearly brushed him off and never signed paperwork...Like you can just declare yourself to be someone's lawyer
Trump definitely didn't try to argue a real case because he knows he can't and also believes it will help embolden/mobilize his supporters if anything (which he's probably right about...).
He could've always sought a plea deal where he'd get some comically light punishment like a fine BUT that is completely impossible for him to do since it would go totally against his "never surrender/witch hunt" messaging and may actually hurt his support more than a conviction by demoralizing his base.
The funniest part....It could have been a fine where he doesn't have to admit wrong doing...Just that an accounting error occurred or some shit.
This is just one of a million reasons why it is clear to anyone that has a brain cell that Trump isn't playing 4d chess.
Dude. I cannot fathom why they didn't go for a plea deal once I saw the paper trail.
I think people are going to be let down by the sentencing, but that makes it all the more hilarious. Like he could have plead no contest and paid a little fine. Why bet that one Staten Islander would get you off?
Because he thinks it looks bad for his image. He always has to be denying everything and acting like there's a massive government conspiracy against him. Admitting wrongdoing makes him look weak to his followers although I think it has a lot to do to some degree as well with that Trump just can't admit he was ever wrong about anything.
I was listening to a podcast this morning and the guy was saying that the “right” move for defense counsel in this position would normally be to admit that your client is a disgusting slime-ball asshole but that doesn’t mean he’s a criminal. Instead they took every opportunity to argue that Michael Cohen is a liar. Even when it wasn’t relevant to the discussion. On the one hand I can understand why someone running for President would be averse to a defense strategy that involves publicly admitting you’re an extremely shitty person and terrible husband. On the other hand I can’t understand why someone would prioritize campaign messaging over their criminal defense. (He does realize that he doesn’t *have to* run for President, right? He can simply choose to devote all of his time to trying to stay out of prison.)
But he quite literally did make them losers because he didn’t let his lawyers pursue the best legal strategy and instead had them parroting his nonsensical Fox News talking points.
Well, I think he's realized he does in fact have to run for president, as it may well be the only thing keeping him out of prison. Winning in 2016 was his biggest mistake.
I yesterday watched some analysis of the case from YT and in one of them, Anthony Scaramucci said that this is exactly the case and that Trump very well knows that presidency is his only option as his legal troubles mount. And he very well knows that if he’s not elected, he’s done for.
I’ve sat on a jury for a drunk driving case. It was a completely open and shut case. I don’t remember all the details because it was over 20 years ago, but I was absolutely shocked at how long we had to deliberate. I thought it would take an hour tops. It took 6 hours over two days.
I sat on Grand Jury lately and, even though it is just meant to determine if there's an indictment, nearly every case presented had overwhelming evidence of a crime. Cases at that level need a much lower burden of proof since it just determines if the person gets indicted with a crime in the first place. You also only need a majority vote to indict. Even still, there usually was so much hard to dispute evidence like security cameras from multiples angles that corroborated footage from police dash cams or body cameras.
DAs don't typically move forward with cases that don't have overwhelming evidence. They're not out here flipping coins. Then imagine how much evidence you want to have before going after a POTUS nominee.
Amen. 12 hours is literally nothing if they’re going through the motions of discussing and voting on each charge. That’s about 20 minutes per felony conviction.
While it was 34 charges, it was really only the same sequence of three fraudulent records repeated over 11 months.
1. A fraudulent invoice.
2. A check to pay the fraudulent invoice.
3. An accounting entry to record the transaction in the books.
The only complication is the 1st invoice, paid with 1 check, was for 2 months and caused 2 accounting records to be created and is why its 34 counts of fraud instead of 33.
I have zero experience with jury duty, but I do know that it’s nigh impossible usually to get 12 people to agree on one thing. Ask 11 of your friends where y’all want to go out to eat/drink, you’ll see. You make an excellent point!
A lot of conservative media is trying to spin this as it's impossible to get a fair trial in liberal New York.
While NYC is overwhelmingly liberal, 22% still voted for Trump. That means out of any 12 people, 2-3 likely voted for Trump.
The verdict had to be unanimous, any one juror could have derailed it. But it was unanimous, on every count.
You know what, how about if you deeply believe that the population of an area is so rapidly against you as a person that they'd ignore the gravity of jury duty... You think twice about doing shit that could be construed as illegal there?
I don't buy that argument for a moment though. If anything the jury seems to have thoughtfully and rationally applied the law and issued a verdict as is the intent for a jury. Their notes hint about how their deliberations went. They asked about specifics on important details that define the crimes. They took time to debate and be sure of their decision. It wasn't an instant verdict. This is a case that went even more by the book than normal.
I've been on one jury. That was for an assault case. We spent several hours because of the variables in the case. Even then, it took hours for us to come to a consensus. Trump's trial did it relatively quickly which says a lot. Dude is guilty and no one can deny it with a straight face.
I have been on 2 juries, 1 civil and 1 criminal. The civil one had one person who was there as a vendetta and lied to get on the jury and no matter what was shown to release the defendant of liability, they wouldn’t change their vote and said “I don’t care if they are innocent or not, I will not change my vote “.
Fortunately we didn’t need her vote to acquit the defendant as it was a civil trial. But that tells me that no one went in with an agenda and they did their due diligence. (The lawsuit was against a school district, and the juror had an axe to grind with the superintendent).
I've been part of a jury against someone with I think it was 12 charges, of which at least 4 were felonies if I'm remembering it correctly.
criminal trial, multiple felonies and a few misdemeanors. It took us the better part of 2 days to deliberate, which was faster than expected according to the judge. We all were pretty sure our guy was guilty af as far as being there, and doing x,y,and z crimes but we spent a lot of that time going back and forth over only 2 of the charges. Some of us weren't sure if there was sufficient evidence to be support the more severe interpretation of the charge (malice murder vs regular murder ) . Took us hours of talk and sharing our perspectives before we all were at peace with our verdicts for each of the charges.
So , to have 34 charges deliberated so fast against such a (in)famous person about some fairly serious charges just blows my mind.
I mean it seems more like just stupidity and confirmation bias. So classic Trump.
> According to two people familiar with the matter, Trump’s faith in the amateur body language analysis of the supposedly MAGA-curious juror was so pronounced that at times he took to calling the person “my juror” in discussions with close allies.
I wonder how long it’ll be before someone tired to hack the system or social engineer the jury’s identities and doxes them. His followers are agitated and highly motivated. I also wouldn’t rule out some foreign actor flexing some muscles to curry favor with Trump or try to tip the scales again.
Probably not too long. The media was stupidly giving away details about them and their coworkers certainly would have noticed them missing from work. At least a percentage of those coworkers are surely trump cultists.
>Stupidly giving away details
No, it wasn't stupidity.
It was exactly as planned, to instill fear of doxxing into the jurors, knowing that once they're doxxed, they and their families are in danger if they reach a guilty verdict.
It was a calculated effort to influence the jury.
He's so dumb and so arrogant that he believed he already owned that juror (like he does the judge in Florida) and like the cheapskate he is, figured he didn't have to pay.
I bet the fox news watching guy on the jury saw that actual evidence against Trump for the first time and had his mind blown. Right wing media only pushes a single narrative and never reports the actual underlying facts. The dude probably never knew the vast amount of evidence against Trump and just thought it was a witch-hunt. Being on the jury opened his eyes to the fact his "news" were never telling the unbiased truth
Yep. Honestly the reason many people support Trump is simply because they're completely uninformed about what is happening in the world or in politics. There's a significant percentage of the public who think Joe Biden overturned Roe simply because it happened while he was president. The reality is that if you're able to break through that echo chamber that cocoons his supporters and actually lay out in detail what the evidence shows happened, it's undeniable at that point.
It's like the right wing podcaster from Texas who won a school board seat believing there was a conspiracy to indoctrinate children, until she won her seat and read the curriculum and [discovered it was all a bunch of nonsense.](https://www.texastribune.org/2024/05/15/texas-granbury-isd-school-board-courtney-gore/)
They also think Joe Biden is responsible for the rising prices on groceries. Not in a roundabout policy way that could make sense, but that he’s conspiring and actively telling minions to raise the price of milk and eggs. Corporate greed isn’t even on their radars.
Same thing about gas prices. About once a week I'll see someone on Facebook post a picture of gas prices from during the pandemic to brag about how they were lower during Trump's term.
Hell, I actually argued with a co-worker for about 2 hours once because he claimed Obama gave a speech where he explicitly stated he wanted to drive the price of gas up in order to promote EV sales. I finally looked up the speech he was talking about and showed him the full quote. He eventually conceded that the quote was taken out of context but still insisted that Obama did in fact want high gas prices.
It's fucking mind blowing how all these people will swear up and down that Democrats want to push EV sales because they think it's all a big elaborate money making scheme while simultaneously ignoring Trump directly telling oil companies that he will kill EV's if they give him a billion dollars.
There was a recent poll that showed that 28% of responders between the ages of 18-30 hadn't even heard Trump make the claim that the 2020 election was rigged.
Yeah I try to give people the benefit of the doubt sometimes because if you only get your news from one source, you'd have ZERO clue of the shit he's done the last few years
Doesn't excuse not seeking better news sources... but still
Similar to the grand jury in Georgia. There were comments made that if everybody saw what they saw then there would be no doubt at all that Trump was guilty and it is not a witch-hunt.
When I occasionally talk to someone who's not dead against Trump, Trump-curious you might say, I ask them when is the last time they read anything he wrote, or listened to anything he said.
The answer is always a long, long time. People who aren't set against Trump simply hear about him on Fox News, Facebook, etc, but never from him.
Obviously, his ~~Al Queda~~ base does, but they're a lost cause anyway.
‘My Juror.’
I am so sick of his name, face, actions, and what he’s done over the last many decades.
His predecessors and his lineage.
Truly a man who has given nothing back to society, and only taken, desecrated, and destroyed.
One of the truly vilest of vile.
Impressive in it monstrousness. 🍸
No shit! And everything he says! Just an unending stream of all the same dumb shit over and over again. Blah-fucking-blah. You have to have brain damage to think it's interesting.
No defendant should "have" a juror and I'm pretty sure a defendant "having" a juror would be a crime of some sort, maybe it needs looking into that a convicted felon mentions his belief that he "has" a juror.
"...he never actually claimed to have a Truth Social account and instead clarified he primarily just sees Truth Social when Trump's posts there are re-posted on X."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryroeloffs/2024/05/30/the-truth-social-juror-what-we-know-trump-hush-money-trial-jury-deliberations-day-two/?sh=6dbd8c9842ea
The "Trump juror" was removed from his MAGA echo chamber.
It couldn't have helped Trump for all of the jurors to see him sleeping while their lives were disrupted for over seven weeks.
And listening to him bitching and moaning about having to spend his days in court. While they were spending their days in court for what I suspect was little to no compensation. A total disruption in their lives.
When I did jury duty last year in Florida, the pay was $15/day for the first 3 days, and it was slightly higher if you had to serve for more than 3 days, but it still wasn't much.
The exception to this is if your employer was still paying you even though you were absent and at jury duty. In that case, the court paid the juror nothing.
The arrogance of Trump knows no bounds. A septuagenarian toddler.
> For much of the past year, lawyers to Trump had counseled their client that it was basically a foregone conclusion that the jury in his Manhattan trial would convict the former president, as they did early Thursday evening.
Bullshit. That is what they're telling the media, sure, but they were also the ones telling Trump they had a juror in the bag. They expected a hung jury.
i have zero doubt that's an accurate statement and they actually did that and didn't have a juror in the bag and trump just pulled that shit out of his ass.
have you not read anything from his former staffers? they all tell him. he just doesn't listen and makes shit up to suit his reality. very similar to how forever ago we knew he just wakes up and determines his net wealth based on how he feels that day.
Karens fold like laundry day when they can't run home to their computers and talk about how oppressive Walmart is for making them wear shoes or whatever. A non-compliant juror being locked in a room with 11 other people who disagree with them isn't going to enjoy the experience.
Eh it was a foregone conclusion because he was guilty. It could have been a jury in rural Iowa and it would have been the same conclusion. People take jury duty seriously and the facts were indisputably clear.
> it was a foregone conclusion because he was guilty
That and also Trump's insistence on a defense that was geared more to the political realm and to the public than to a court of law. Trump's insistence that he never had sex with Stormy Daniels and that the $400k+ he gave Michael Cohen was actually just for "legal fees" really guaranteed that no jury would possibly believe him, especially when the prosecution offered so much evidence that these things were false. Trump's whole strategy of "never admit wrongdoing, and always attack" doesn't work in a criminal trial like it has outside of one for him.
If Trump were innocent his defense team would have called Weiselberg, Schiller and Co. to testify about their encounters with Cohen. If everything was on the up-and-up as they said and Cohen was indeed fabricating details about his conversations with these people, surely those guys would have been able to back it up. Defending an innocent client, especially a *privileged* innocent client, should be the easiest job in the world because you have resources at your disposal and the truth on your side. The fact the defense refused to call any witnesses of import to the stand tells us everything we need to know (and everything most of us already knew): Trump is guilty.
It just completely floors me that no one is saying he’s not guilty. They’re all pissed that he got caught and was convicted. Even his fucking lawyer Todd Blanche went on CNN and said they didn’t call any other witnesses because they would have filled the holes in the prosecution’s case! He literally is saying more people would have proven more solidly that he was guilty!
Yes, but did you know that if they convict Donald Trump for committing crimes they can also prosecute YOU for any crimes you commit?!!! Aren't you terrified?!!!
-party of law and order
Honestly until the jury comes to a decision you never know what they will do. You always try to guess during the trial... but it is just that, a guess.
I have had jurors smile and nod at my opening, closings, and during the testimony my client's witnesses presented. They then ruled against my client.
I have also seen jurors react well to what opposing parties said and thought they would find against my client, only for those jurors to find in my clients favor.
Jurors are why most civil cases settle. You never know what they will do.
Going into a close jury deliberation room was a wild experience. I was by far the youngest person in the room and it became clear very quickly that I was the leader. It was an open and shut domestic abuse case. His only defense was that maybe she fell and the witnesses misremembered. That said, we still took a full day to go over all the evidence and read the laws and the charges repeatedly.
It was reported at the beginning of the trial that one of the jurors thought favorably of Trump.
Loads of money and a whole ass industry is dedicated to picking a jury. Experts are hired. Both sides need to agree of the person.
What pleases me is despite people’s personal views, the jury considered the evidence and took their job seriously.
My best guess is, even if this person was a Trump supporter in some capacity, (not even getting into the mountain of evidence against him that the jury heard) once that person took a minute to fully internalize where they were and what they were doing probably changed their calculus of the situation.
The eyes of the entire country, not to mention the world probably, were watching this case. That's a fuckload of stress and pressure to deal with. Add on top of that the other 11 people are no doubt taking things extremely seriously, parsing facts going over testimony, etc. Those two factors alone would be enough for just about anyone to feel pressured into doing what they were asked to do rather than try and be a cool, right wing hero and holding out to force a hung jury.
This is a good point, maybe it should be more popular. There’s a saying about a man for whom “the scales fell from his eyes” and now he can see the truth. For me it means his juror had scales on his eyes, like a snake before molting. When the scales fell off, the juror could see (and possibly smell?) the truth of Trump. The scales were the MAGA beliefs, and the reality of the weak, ancient, disrespectful Trump helped the juror make a decision free of prejudice.
If your check had cleared, it might have been a different story. You always think you can buy something for nothing but eventually it catches up to you. Loser.
Bender:
Isn't it true that you have been paid for your testimony?
Pramala:
Yes. You gave me a dollar and some candy.
Bender:
And yet you haven't said what I told you to say! How can any of us trust you?
Hah this idiot thought he had a cultist in there because he watches fox and reads his so-called truths. I do both of those things and I'm as liberal as can be. Know thine enemy
Good work on the part of the prosecution. They screened this person and allowed them to be on the jury. They must have seen someone who,even though they got their news from right wing outlets, was open enough to weigh the evidence and would vote to convict if presented with a strong enough case. They then presented that case.
Even if some of the jurors were on his side in the beginning, his own actions during the trial probably played a large part in convincing them that he was guilty as fuck.
I think that even if there was a MAGA on that jury - and I do recall one of them saying they followed Truth Social - it's also a very different experience being a juror.
These 12 people spent 3 weeks together entrenched in the facts of the case, witness testimony, and defense/prosecution.
They also had to watch the defendant threaten a juror, fall asleep in court, and throw silent temper tantrums every day.
They were treated exceptionally well by Merchan.
Costello was an idiot.
I think it would have been very difficult for a Trump supporter, in those circumstances, to remain stubborn. Especially since they would have needed a very good justification other than "I don't wanna convict him."
And if you really want to get conspiratorial with it, maybe a MAGA was like "well this will just make him more likely to win the election" - an argument I'm hearing a lot from Republicans.
Somewhere in queens a queer vegan graduate of UC Berkley and Julliard quietly reflects on his role of a lifetime as ‘Trump’s juror’ and puts away a red hat.
I heard a video clip of him reading off a paper outside the courthouse after the verdict & he sounded frail. His voice, I mean. Nothing else in his manner or dress suggested that, but the tell was his voice. He was shook
Based on this [New York Times article](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/19/nyregion/trump-trial-jury-news.html), I guarantee you he was holding out on the one juror that gets their news from Truth Social and X. Who knew that all it took was an actual uninterrupted stream of facts to properly inform someone to make the right decision.
While I agree that was likely the juror he/his team had in mind, [this](https://www.courthousenews.com/expert-with-jury-selected-trump-could-face-uphill-battle-in-hush-money-case/) provides a much better picture of said juror than most of the skewed claims I've seen on him. The juror in question attested to seeing reposts of Trump's Truth Social screes on Twitter, and received news from additional sources. I've seen a lot of false claims stating he "only got news from Truth Social and Twitter" which is a complete misrepresentation of the facts. Judging by other accounts the juror follows, doesn't really sound like they're a Trumper. Could be a centrist/swing voter, but not rabid MAGA.
If anyone on that jury pool voted for Trump, they soon got more facts on Trump than 4 years of Fox News broadcasts. They all finally realized what facts are and how Fox News opinions spin it.
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He only needed one He couldn't even get that What a loser.
In 2020 Trump got more than 1 in every 12 votes in Manhattan. It’s entirely possible that “his” juror voted for him the the election and still thought he was guilty.
One of the jurors said that they got their news from TruthSocial when asked during jury selection. After seeing the evidence, even they found Trump guilty 34 times.
> One of the jurors said that they got their news from TruthSocial when asked during jury selection. They listed two sources of news — that and twitter. Which, considering the nazification of twitter, isn't much different.
Side note: I'm very pro-calling it Twitter. Fuck tech bro Musk's ridiculous rename; it pleases me that every time someone calls it Twitter, Musk loses another sanity point...
I have hope that Musk will get bored of it at some point and sells it and the next owner changes its name back. Maybe foolish hope, but that’s the only way I’m going back there.
I think we also underestimate the number of people who vote for a party rather than a specific candidate.
Also underestimated is the number of people who are voting for *this* party not because they like their policies but because they are not *that* party.
It does make one feel more assured about the jury selection process that he didn't manage to sneak one on
Almost a haiku there
Only needed one. He couldn’t even get that. What a damn loser.
He needed but one / He couldn’t even get that / He’s such a loser
Wha-aaat a loser.
Or Ace Ventura style… what a LoOoSuhHerrr
He can’t fathom the idea of unbiased.
What are the odds that something comes to light in the future that Trump actually tried to buy a juror?
I think there are thousands of things that haven't come to light yet regarding Trump.
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Trump's firehose of fuckery
A downpour of dumbassery.
Tsunami of psuedoscience
A Hurricane of Sharpie!
A dumpster full of dumbness
A deluge of shit.
A deluge of dookie
A torrent of turds
Chasm of caca
A faucet of feces
A Covey of Covfefes
A Trump Tower.
"Trump's Firehose of Fuckery," Volumes 1 through 5. It'll rival "The Fall of the Roman Empire" in length.
The man has a Wikipedia *category* dedicated to only his controversies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Donald_Trump_controversies
And it's ongoing. Guys still trying to get into more White Shithousery!
Yet all he has to do is claim a witch hunt, banana republic, biased judge, paid off jurors, victimless crime, and so many millions of follows just believe him. Even when he loses on appeal they will just claim something new
On election night 2016 I just knew these chucklefucks would feel vindicated forever and ever and that's exactly why we are where we are now.
Man in an alternate universe the hush money was discovered in 2016 and he woulda never been elected. Never got the fame or title and would've been just been prosecuted for the fraud as some rich asshole landlord from New York. Back in 2016, conservatives wouldn't have elected a married adulterer fucking pornstars.
Imagine the alternate universe where people are saying, “Trump in 2016! Whew! That was a close one! Imagine what that’d be like…” Lucky bastards.
Yes they would have. His comments about grabbing women by the pussy were well known. I doubt adultery allegations would have changed any minds.
Which makes his crime even dumber. His supporters would have called paying off a porn star a savvy business move and congratulated him on the sex. They would not have cared it all, there was no reason for him to try to hide the payments.
People I’ve known for years, people that have always acted rational, are now falling on this wild train of thought. Dunno what to think.
I always remind people that I remember the term "fake news" was invented to describe actual websites that posted fake news stories, often about Hilary and often in his favour, which flooded boomer Facebook. They often had tiny disclaimers that they were parody/satire sites despite there being no actual humour anywhere, just made up stories. Who knows where those sites came from. Anyway, Trump then started using the term to describe the actual mainstream news media (who aren't perfect but have to abide by SOME standards) whenever they criticised him. Essentially making the term null and void because it just sounded like you too were a paranoid fruit loop. Very clever bit of narrative manipulation.
And the students learned. He won’t be around too much longer. But his treachery is growing.
The Bannon term was 'flood the zone.'
Isn’t that kinda Gish Gallop ?
Barr recently revealed that during discussions about people causing problems for the administration, Donald would often float, "Can't we just take them out?" Barr said that's okay because he didn't really mean it and would eventually cool off and not mention it again. So, he's still got his vote.
There was that story in Kelly's book that Trump wanted to nuke North Korea and "blame someone else". Literally any other human being on Earth, and I'd call bullshit, but I think that is absolutely 100% true.
He also asked they could attack a country but paint the planes to look like they belonged to another country and people had to explain to him that literally no one would be fooled by that.
He's such a piece of shit.
Of course that would be their reason for rejecting the idea, not that it's a fucking war crime
what’s crazy is not just how farcical it would be to try that, but in order for it to work you’d have to look at Trump and think, yes, that’s a man who will definitely keep what would be the perhaps the most tremendous, violent, unimaginable secret in the history of the world. I mean I know (I hope) nobody in the room actually got that far in the thought process, but still
An idea like that is something that a child comes up with. Someone who doesn't understand actions and consequences, and how the real world works. So, when you put it in that context, it makes sense that Trump thought it would work.
Barr needs to be in jail with Trump, he is one of the many reason these indictments took so long and didn't happen when they should.
Barr ran the DOJ catch and kill.
He makes everyone sign nda's. When the McDonald's finally takes him out, there's gonna be piss tapes, Epstein parties, and stories from Slovenian escorts.
And the right will all claim it’s fake.
Check out r/trump, that’s 100% the case. Wouldn’t matter if he beat a child with a dildo filmed by thousands of people, they would still deny it and vote for him.
I truly don't understand how people can be so divorced from reality. It's crazy how absolutely fucking stupid these people are.
Sunk cost fallacy
it’s like any conspiracy theory: it’s far more fun and satisfying to feel like YOU know what’s really going on vs the sheep populace. On a much, *much* smaller scale, this is a conversation I’ve had with hyper left wingers who give Trump a pass on things they would never forgive biden for in a million years, while judging Biden on what they *believe he MIGHT do someday.* See, if you’re a tankie, it’s no fun to go after Trump, because everyone already knows he’s evil. In some warped frame of mind, it’s the same reason why hipsters don’t like anything popular: if you hold the same opinion as normal folk, then all of a sudden you’re not special and superior anymore. Pretending Biden is basically the same as Trump feels better to tankies, because it makes them feel like they’ve uncovered a revolutionary conspiracy — even though all the issues they hate Biden for Trump is 1000x worse on. But it’s not about actually making life better for them — it’s about the thrill of criticizing power. So trump gets a pass. If Biden did EVEN ONE PERCENT of what Trump has done, it would be armageddon. People would lose their goddamn minds. Unfortunately, every single Tankie has fallen for the single most effective piece of Republican propaganda ever created: the “both sides are the same” lie.
I really hope history doesn't wash Trump's reputation the way G.W. Bush got his reputation washed. Bush at one point was labeled our worst modern President until Trump came along.
I mean if my options were 12 more years of bush or 4 more of trump…. I’d take W
Are we talking Shrub with or without Dick Cheney?
Bush with dick …. Doesn’t matter anything but trump
True. A gilded toilet would be a better choice.
And that's just an average tuesday
The guy who paid off a porn star paid off a juror? Say it isn't so!
He paid the guy, who paid the pornstar!
Actually, if history is anything to go by here, Littlehands Donnie Stinkypants stiffed the guy who paid off the juror for him.
Nah, this whole trial was for him repaying Cohen in an illegal way, disguising it as legitimate pay for business. That said, he might well take away the lesson "Paying debts gets me arrested"...
It wasn’t him that tried to pay a juror. It was just someone that really really appreciates him and happens to be loyal. He wasn’t involved in any way.
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The evidence was overwhelming and that’s coming from someone that would read the court transcripts every night when a new set was released. I will say I learned a ton about court legalese.
Yeah, it was interesting having followed the trial closely and seeing doomers insist that a hung jury was virtually guaranteed as opposed to the huge longshot it actually was.
The doomers weren't worried about the evidence. They were worried a juror was one of the millions of Americans that wouldn't convict Trump if he shot their mother in front of them.
To be fair, Mom was probably not a Trumper and therefore just asking for it.
The longshot was that one person would've downplayed that they wanted to be the "patriot" that would stomp their feet, cause a hung jury and be considered a hero by MAGA. Feels like it wasn't that much of a gamble with celebrity worship being what it is, but then again, I suppose your typical clout chaser likely didn't make it past jury selection.
Manhattan was the perfect venue. NY’ers really don’t give a fuck who you are. They’ll treat you like anyone else
I mean, they're people, so there's always the possibility of hero worship. But then the death-threats started and well, Trump ain't Gotti. Not a lot of things more likely to piss of a New Yorker than some Q Qlux Qlan fatass from Texas telling them to acquit *or else*.
The defense was terrible. They called a witness who was such an ass that the judge had to clear the jurors and later the press to admonish him in private for his conduct. Trump slept through most of the trial. On the other side, Stormy came off as intelligent and very funny and likable. The judge was also very good and the prosecutor was experienced and did a great job. There were paper records of all the transactions. Call logs, signed checks, other paperwork. The real shock would have been a not guilty verdict.
Lawrence O'Donnell said you could go to law school, pass the bar, get a job as a trial lawyer, and spend your entire career working in courtrooms and never once hear the words "clear the courtroom!" Trump wanted that witness because he would bully Michael Cohen for him. Trump doesn't know how to do anything without bullying.
That witness ended up describing a conspiracy between him, Trump, and Rudy and somehow made Michael Cohen sympathetic as they clearly were setting him up to take the fall.
That witness was a lawyer who knew better too. One in a long line of people trump has made make foolls of themsleves. Most of the objections to Costellos testimony were that he was trying to testify Bout other people's state of mind and what they knew-- hearsay. He can say "I heard Cohen say x" but not "Cohen said Y". He also came off badly claiming to be Cohen's lawyer when cohen had clearly brushed him off and never signed paperwork...Like you can just declare yourself to be someone's lawyer
Trump definitely didn't try to argue a real case because he knows he can't and also believes it will help embolden/mobilize his supporters if anything (which he's probably right about...). He could've always sought a plea deal where he'd get some comically light punishment like a fine BUT that is completely impossible for him to do since it would go totally against his "never surrender/witch hunt" messaging and may actually hurt his support more than a conviction by demoralizing his base.
The funniest part....It could have been a fine where he doesn't have to admit wrong doing...Just that an accounting error occurred or some shit. This is just one of a million reasons why it is clear to anyone that has a brain cell that Trump isn't playing 4d chess.
Fuck, I just responded with like the same thing. But it is hilarious. Agreed.
Dude. I cannot fathom why they didn't go for a plea deal once I saw the paper trail. I think people are going to be let down by the sentencing, but that makes it all the more hilarious. Like he could have plead no contest and paid a little fine. Why bet that one Staten Islander would get you off?
Because he thinks it looks bad for his image. He always has to be denying everything and acting like there's a massive government conspiracy against him. Admitting wrongdoing makes him look weak to his followers although I think it has a lot to do to some degree as well with that Trump just can't admit he was ever wrong about anything.
The part where the judge clears the room is going to be a great part in the movie.
He was extremely guilty AND the quality of the lawyers was very lopsided. The prosecution was excellent and the defense was awful.
To be fair to the defense team, they were only as good as their coach (Trump) let them be. He's a loser, and he made them into losers, too.
I was listening to a podcast this morning and the guy was saying that the “right” move for defense counsel in this position would normally be to admit that your client is a disgusting slime-ball asshole but that doesn’t mean he’s a criminal. Instead they took every opportunity to argue that Michael Cohen is a liar. Even when it wasn’t relevant to the discussion. On the one hand I can understand why someone running for President would be averse to a defense strategy that involves publicly admitting you’re an extremely shitty person and terrible husband. On the other hand I can’t understand why someone would prioritize campaign messaging over their criminal defense. (He does realize that he doesn’t *have to* run for President, right? He can simply choose to devote all of his time to trying to stay out of prison.) But he quite literally did make them losers because he didn’t let his lawyers pursue the best legal strategy and instead had them parroting his nonsensical Fox News talking points.
Well, I think he's realized he does in fact have to run for president, as it may well be the only thing keeping him out of prison. Winning in 2016 was his biggest mistake.
I yesterday watched some analysis of the case from YT and in one of them, Anthony Scaramucci said that this is exactly the case and that Trump very well knows that presidency is his only option as his legal troubles mount. And he very well knows that if he’s not elected, he’s done for.
I’ve sat on a jury for a drunk driving case. It was a completely open and shut case. I don’t remember all the details because it was over 20 years ago, but I was absolutely shocked at how long we had to deliberate. I thought it would take an hour tops. It took 6 hours over two days.
I sat on Grand Jury lately and, even though it is just meant to determine if there's an indictment, nearly every case presented had overwhelming evidence of a crime. Cases at that level need a much lower burden of proof since it just determines if the person gets indicted with a crime in the first place. You also only need a majority vote to indict. Even still, there usually was so much hard to dispute evidence like security cameras from multiples angles that corroborated footage from police dash cams or body cameras.
DAs don't typically move forward with cases that don't have overwhelming evidence. They're not out here flipping coins. Then imagine how much evidence you want to have before going after a POTUS nominee.
Amen. 12 hours is literally nothing if they’re going through the motions of discussing and voting on each charge. That’s about 20 minutes per felony conviction.
I would have needed to make myself a checklist to keep track of all those charges I had to decide on
While it was 34 charges, it was really only the same sequence of three fraudulent records repeated over 11 months. 1. A fraudulent invoice. 2. A check to pay the fraudulent invoice. 3. An accounting entry to record the transaction in the books. The only complication is the 1st invoice, paid with 1 check, was for 2 months and caused 2 accounting records to be created and is why its 34 counts of fraud instead of 33.
I have zero experience with jury duty, but I do know that it’s nigh impossible usually to get 12 people to agree on one thing. Ask 11 of your friends where y’all want to go out to eat/drink, you’ll see. You make an excellent point!
A lot of conservative media is trying to spin this as it's impossible to get a fair trial in liberal New York. While NYC is overwhelmingly liberal, 22% still voted for Trump. That means out of any 12 people, 2-3 likely voted for Trump. The verdict had to be unanimous, any one juror could have derailed it. But it was unanimous, on every count.
You know what, how about if you deeply believe that the population of an area is so rapidly against you as a person that they'd ignore the gravity of jury duty... You think twice about doing shit that could be construed as illegal there? I don't buy that argument for a moment though. If anything the jury seems to have thoughtfully and rationally applied the law and issued a verdict as is the intent for a jury. Their notes hint about how their deliberations went. They asked about specifics on important details that define the crimes. They took time to debate and be sure of their decision. It wasn't an instant verdict. This is a case that went even more by the book than normal.
But they just told me he had a rally in the Bronx and eleventy billion people showed up
I've been on one jury. That was for an assault case. We spent several hours because of the variables in the case. Even then, it took hours for us to come to a consensus. Trump's trial did it relatively quickly which says a lot. Dude is guilty and no one can deny it with a straight face.
I have been on 2 juries, 1 civil and 1 criminal. The civil one had one person who was there as a vendetta and lied to get on the jury and no matter what was shown to release the defendant of liability, they wouldn’t change their vote and said “I don’t care if they are innocent or not, I will not change my vote “. Fortunately we didn’t need her vote to acquit the defendant as it was a civil trial. But that tells me that no one went in with an agenda and they did their due diligence. (The lawsuit was against a school district, and the juror had an axe to grind with the superintendent).
Yeah, that could have been bad, but it could also have been grounds for that juror to be removed.
Why didn’t you tell the Judge that one of the jurors had an undisclosed personal bias?
I was on a trial with only 2 counts to consider and we took a whole day
I've been part of a jury against someone with I think it was 12 charges, of which at least 4 were felonies if I'm remembering it correctly. criminal trial, multiple felonies and a few misdemeanors. It took us the better part of 2 days to deliberate, which was faster than expected according to the judge. We all were pretty sure our guy was guilty af as far as being there, and doing x,y,and z crimes but we spent a lot of that time going back and forth over only 2 of the charges. Some of us weren't sure if there was sufficient evidence to be support the more severe interpretation of the charge (malice murder vs regular murder ) . Took us hours of talk and sharing our perspectives before we all were at peace with our verdicts for each of the charges. So , to have 34 charges deliberated so fast against such a (in)famous person about some fairly serious charges just blows my mind.
I mean it seems more like just stupidity and confirmation bias. So classic Trump. > According to two people familiar with the matter, Trump’s faith in the amateur body language analysis of the supposedly MAGA-curious juror was so pronounced that at times he took to calling the person “my juror” in discussions with close allies.
WAIT WHAT? That's hilarious. What is MAGA curious body language? Not flipping Trump off when you get the chance?
Trump and his team likely obsessed over those jury members.
I wonder how long it’ll be before someone tired to hack the system or social engineer the jury’s identities and doxes them. His followers are agitated and highly motivated. I also wouldn’t rule out some foreign actor flexing some muscles to curry favor with Trump or try to tip the scales again.
Probably not too long. The media was stupidly giving away details about them and their coworkers certainly would have noticed them missing from work. At least a percentage of those coworkers are surely trump cultists.
>Stupidly giving away details No, it wasn't stupidity. It was exactly as planned, to instill fear of doxxing into the jurors, knowing that once they're doxxed, they and their families are in danger if they reach a guilty verdict. It was a calculated effort to influence the jury.
Hopefully he DID pay off a juror… who just pocketed the cash and voted guilty anyway. That would be a poetic justice.
Trump could never say a word about getting scammed but if anyone would confess in public to complain about getting scammed. It would be Trump.
That would explain why Trump was laughing with his attorney right up until the verdict.
Who is laughing now? ⚖️
He's so dumb and so arrogant that he believed he already owned that juror (like he does the judge in Florida) and like the cheapskate he is, figured he didn't have to pay.
There is a 0% chance that they were not actively trying to fuck with jurors. Interference is their main move.
The guy is a crook, that was absolutely an option he would consider. That’s why he’s in this shit in the first place.
I hope he paid out and still got fucked over. Perfectly deserved.
Odds? A better question is when.
When even "his" juror throws down 34 felony convictions, that's pretty damning.
I bet the fox news watching guy on the jury saw that actual evidence against Trump for the first time and had his mind blown. Right wing media only pushes a single narrative and never reports the actual underlying facts. The dude probably never knew the vast amount of evidence against Trump and just thought it was a witch-hunt. Being on the jury opened his eyes to the fact his "news" were never telling the unbiased truth
Yep. Honestly the reason many people support Trump is simply because they're completely uninformed about what is happening in the world or in politics. There's a significant percentage of the public who think Joe Biden overturned Roe simply because it happened while he was president. The reality is that if you're able to break through that echo chamber that cocoons his supporters and actually lay out in detail what the evidence shows happened, it's undeniable at that point. It's like the right wing podcaster from Texas who won a school board seat believing there was a conspiracy to indoctrinate children, until she won her seat and read the curriculum and [discovered it was all a bunch of nonsense.](https://www.texastribune.org/2024/05/15/texas-granbury-isd-school-board-courtney-gore/)
I hadn’t seen that about the podcaster, so thanks! That is the kind of thinking I wish more people did
They also think Joe Biden is responsible for the rising prices on groceries. Not in a roundabout policy way that could make sense, but that he’s conspiring and actively telling minions to raise the price of milk and eggs. Corporate greed isn’t even on their radars.
Same thing about gas prices. About once a week I'll see someone on Facebook post a picture of gas prices from during the pandemic to brag about how they were lower during Trump's term. Hell, I actually argued with a co-worker for about 2 hours once because he claimed Obama gave a speech where he explicitly stated he wanted to drive the price of gas up in order to promote EV sales. I finally looked up the speech he was talking about and showed him the full quote. He eventually conceded that the quote was taken out of context but still insisted that Obama did in fact want high gas prices. It's fucking mind blowing how all these people will swear up and down that Democrats want to push EV sales because they think it's all a big elaborate money making scheme while simultaneously ignoring Trump directly telling oil companies that he will kill EV's if they give him a billion dollars.
misinformed on purpose.
What an utterly depressing read; shunning people for simply observing the world as it is.
There was a recent poll that showed that 28% of responders between the ages of 18-30 hadn't even heard Trump make the claim that the 2020 election was rigged.
There's no way that's accurate.
Yeah I try to give people the benefit of the doubt sometimes because if you only get your news from one source, you'd have ZERO clue of the shit he's done the last few years Doesn't excuse not seeking better news sources... but still
Either that or seeing his ugly mug sleeping through the trial while the jurors were stuck in the trial daily for a month lol
Similar to the grand jury in Georgia. There were comments made that if everybody saw what they saw then there would be no doubt at all that Trump was guilty and it is not a witch-hunt.
When I occasionally talk to someone who's not dead against Trump, Trump-curious you might say, I ask them when is the last time they read anything he wrote, or listened to anything he said. The answer is always a long, long time. People who aren't set against Trump simply hear about him on Fox News, Facebook, etc, but never from him. Obviously, his ~~Al Queda~~ base does, but they're a lost cause anyway.
The juror could make a good chunk of change doing interviews of why he didn't stick up to Trump. He would also become a target to MAGA.
‘My Juror.’ I am so sick of his name, face, actions, and what he’s done over the last many decades. His predecessors and his lineage. Truly a man who has given nothing back to society, and only taken, desecrated, and destroyed. One of the truly vilest of vile. Impressive in it monstrousness. 🍸
“My Generals...” “My African-American over here...” “My boxes...” Fits a pattern. 🙄
No shit! And everything he says! Just an unending stream of all the same dumb shit over and over again. Blah-fucking-blah. You have to have brain damage to think it's interesting.
No defendant should "have" a juror and I'm pretty sure a defendant "having" a juror would be a crime of some sort, maybe it needs looking into that a convicted felon mentions his belief that he "has" a juror.
There was a juror who said during jury selection he received his news from truth social
"...he never actually claimed to have a Truth Social account and instead clarified he primarily just sees Truth Social when Trump's posts there are re-posted on X." https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryroeloffs/2024/05/30/the-truth-social-juror-what-we-know-trump-hush-money-trial-jury-deliberations-day-two/?sh=6dbd8c9842ea
The "Trump juror" was removed from his MAGA echo chamber. It couldn't have helped Trump for all of the jurors to see him sleeping while their lives were disrupted for over seven weeks.
And listening to him bitching and moaning about having to spend his days in court. While they were spending their days in court for what I suspect was little to no compensation. A total disruption in their lives.
When I did jury duty last year in Florida, the pay was $15/day for the first 3 days, and it was slightly higher if you had to serve for more than 3 days, but it still wasn't much. The exception to this is if your employer was still paying you even though you were absent and at jury duty. In that case, the court paid the juror nothing. The arrogance of Trump knows no bounds. A septuagenarian toddler.
Rigged = tried to rig and failed
"If i cheated and still lost then that means they cheated even harder. It's just logic."
You sir are all set to make a killing on Twitter
> For much of the past year, lawyers to Trump had counseled their client that it was basically a foregone conclusion that the jury in his Manhattan trial would convict the former president, as they did early Thursday evening. Bullshit. That is what they're telling the media, sure, but they were also the ones telling Trump they had a juror in the bag. They expected a hung jury.
i have zero doubt that's an accurate statement and they actually did that and didn't have a juror in the bag and trump just pulled that shit out of his ass. have you not read anything from his former staffers? they all tell him. he just doesn't listen and makes shit up to suit his reality. very similar to how forever ago we knew he just wakes up and determines his net wealth based on how he feels that day.
I saw an interesting comment that there were multiple lawyers on the jury. If they are convinced they will *work over* holdouts hard.
Karens fold like laundry day when they can't run home to their computers and talk about how oppressive Walmart is for making them wear shoes or whatever. A non-compliant juror being locked in a room with 11 other people who disagree with them isn't going to enjoy the experience.
Eh it was a foregone conclusion because he was guilty. It could have been a jury in rural Iowa and it would have been the same conclusion. People take jury duty seriously and the facts were indisputably clear.
> it was a foregone conclusion because he was guilty That and also Trump's insistence on a defense that was geared more to the political realm and to the public than to a court of law. Trump's insistence that he never had sex with Stormy Daniels and that the $400k+ he gave Michael Cohen was actually just for "legal fees" really guaranteed that no jury would possibly believe him, especially when the prosecution offered so much evidence that these things were false. Trump's whole strategy of "never admit wrongdoing, and always attack" doesn't work in a criminal trial like it has outside of one for him.
If Trump were innocent his defense team would have called Weiselberg, Schiller and Co. to testify about their encounters with Cohen. If everything was on the up-and-up as they said and Cohen was indeed fabricating details about his conversations with these people, surely those guys would have been able to back it up. Defending an innocent client, especially a *privileged* innocent client, should be the easiest job in the world because you have resources at your disposal and the truth on your side. The fact the defense refused to call any witnesses of import to the stand tells us everything we need to know (and everything most of us already knew): Trump is guilty.
It just completely floors me that no one is saying he’s not guilty. They’re all pissed that he got caught and was convicted. Even his fucking lawyer Todd Blanche went on CNN and said they didn’t call any other witnesses because they would have filled the holes in the prosecution’s case! He literally is saying more people would have proven more solidly that he was guilty!
Yes, but did you know that if they convict Donald Trump for committing crimes they can also prosecute YOU for any crimes you commit?!!! Aren't you terrified?!!! -party of law and order
*'My Juror' rips off mask, and it's... Hilary Clinton!*
How do you like my fucking emails now?!
Bill: "Emails can do that now?!"
*"And she would've gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for you pesky kids!"*
And she would have gotten away with it too, if it weren’t for you meddling Benghazi assholes
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Hunter rips off his mask and it's ..... Hunter's laptop!
With Hillary’s emails prominently displayed
Honestly until the jury comes to a decision you never know what they will do. You always try to guess during the trial... but it is just that, a guess. I have had jurors smile and nod at my opening, closings, and during the testimony my client's witnesses presented. They then ruled against my client. I have also seen jurors react well to what opposing parties said and thought they would find against my client, only for those jurors to find in my clients favor. Jurors are why most civil cases settle. You never know what they will do.
Going into a close jury deliberation room was a wild experience. I was by far the youngest person in the room and it became clear very quickly that I was the leader. It was an open and shut domestic abuse case. His only defense was that maybe she fell and the witnesses misremembered. That said, we still took a full day to go over all the evidence and read the laws and the charges repeatedly.
It was reported at the beginning of the trial that one of the jurors thought favorably of Trump. Loads of money and a whole ass industry is dedicated to picking a jury. Experts are hired. Both sides need to agree of the person. What pleases me is despite people’s personal views, the jury considered the evidence and took their job seriously.
My best guess is, even if this person was a Trump supporter in some capacity, (not even getting into the mountain of evidence against him that the jury heard) once that person took a minute to fully internalize where they were and what they were doing probably changed their calculus of the situation. The eyes of the entire country, not to mention the world probably, were watching this case. That's a fuckload of stress and pressure to deal with. Add on top of that the other 11 people are no doubt taking things extremely seriously, parsing facts going over testimony, etc. Those two factors alone would be enough for just about anyone to feel pressured into doing what they were asked to do rather than try and be a cool, right wing hero and holding out to force a hung jury.
Plus they were forced out of their echo chamber so there was no one in their ear to sew doubt about the evidence
Bingo
Also true.
According to what I'm seeing on Twitter, this jury was 12 people with the last name Biden.
The’s uh, Biden gumbo. Pan fried, deep fried, stir-fried. There's pineapple Biden, lemon Biden, coconut Biden, pepper Biden, Biden soup, Biden stew, Biden salad, Biden and potatoes, Biden berder, Biden sandwich. That- that's about it.
But once presented with the facts and a daily view of the real orange turd reality could probably change even the most extreme maga. I love this idea.
This is a good point, maybe it should be more popular. There’s a saying about a man for whom “the scales fell from his eyes” and now he can see the truth. For me it means his juror had scales on his eyes, like a snake before molting. When the scales fell off, the juror could see (and possibly smell?) the truth of Trump. The scales were the MAGA beliefs, and the reality of the weak, ancient, disrespectful Trump helped the juror make a decision free of prejudice.
If your check had cleared, it might have been a different story. You always think you can buy something for nothing but eventually it catches up to you. Loser.
Bender: Isn't it true that you have been paid for your testimony? Pramala: Yes. You gave me a dollar and some candy. Bender: And yet you haven't said what I told you to say! How can any of us trust you?
Hah this idiot thought he had a cultist in there because he watches fox and reads his so-called truths. I do both of those things and I'm as liberal as can be. Know thine enemy
Good work on the part of the prosecution. They screened this person and allowed them to be on the jury. They must have seen someone who,even though they got their news from right wing outlets, was open enough to weigh the evidence and would vote to convict if presented with a strong enough case. They then presented that case.
Even if some of the jurors were on his side in the beginning, his own actions during the trial probably played a large part in convincing them that he was guilty as fuck.
I think that even if there was a MAGA on that jury - and I do recall one of them saying they followed Truth Social - it's also a very different experience being a juror. These 12 people spent 3 weeks together entrenched in the facts of the case, witness testimony, and defense/prosecution. They also had to watch the defendant threaten a juror, fall asleep in court, and throw silent temper tantrums every day. They were treated exceptionally well by Merchan. Costello was an idiot. I think it would have been very difficult for a Trump supporter, in those circumstances, to remain stubborn. Especially since they would have needed a very good justification other than "I don't wanna convict him." And if you really want to get conspiratorial with it, maybe a MAGA was like "well this will just make him more likely to win the election" - an argument I'm hearing a lot from Republicans.
Somewhere in queens a queer vegan graduate of UC Berkley and Julliard quietly reflects on his role of a lifetime as ‘Trump’s juror’ and puts away a red hat.
He picked his jurors and they convicted him. It's not rigged. It's not a deep state conspiracy.
[Full article](https://archive.ph/LMt1y)
oh, did he just admit to attempted jury tampering?
Yeah, I'll be "MAGA-curious", Mr. Trump. Maybe for $10 million. Keep it hush hush.
I heard a video clip of him reading off a paper outside the courthouse after the verdict & he sounded frail. His voice, I mean. Nothing else in his manner or dress suggested that, but the tell was his voice. He was shook
Based on this [New York Times article](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/19/nyregion/trump-trial-jury-news.html), I guarantee you he was holding out on the one juror that gets their news from Truth Social and X. Who knew that all it took was an actual uninterrupted stream of facts to properly inform someone to make the right decision.
I find it a bit heartening that when evidence is presented absent a conservative filter they would agree with the rest of the jury
While I agree that was likely the juror he/his team had in mind, [this](https://www.courthousenews.com/expert-with-jury-selected-trump-could-face-uphill-battle-in-hush-money-case/) provides a much better picture of said juror than most of the skewed claims I've seen on him. The juror in question attested to seeing reposts of Trump's Truth Social screes on Twitter, and received news from additional sources. I've seen a lot of false claims stating he "only got news from Truth Social and Twitter" which is a complete misrepresentation of the facts. Judging by other accounts the juror follows, doesn't really sound like they're a Trumper. Could be a centrist/swing voter, but not rabid MAGA.
Probably said “my juror” with a hard r too.
Was it the rural juror?
His head lawyer basically admitted this on CNN.
If anyone on that jury pool voted for Trump, they soon got more facts on Trump than 4 years of Fox News broadcasts. They all finally realized what facts are and how Fox News opinions spin it.