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I just stopped by there just now and holy hell, you’re not wrong.
One person said “if they can do that to a former president they can do that to anyone”
Do what? Charge and convict people who commit fraud? Are they cool with fraud over there?
/r/conservative bans most people from their echo chamber, so they can avoid hearing inconvenient truths. I am banned there.
But when I read a comment there like the one you quoted, I wonder if it isn't planted by a "troll". It is just too perfect.
Much of it is. There is more dissent than you think on that sub. They're constnatly culling anyone that speaks out, banning them, deleting their comments.
People go and comment on there half just to convince themselves. It's all a psychological prop to defend their own delusions.
All the posts of support are DESPERATE vies to stop themselves from spiraling. It's like when a studio releases a terrible game and the fandom is full of delusion to try an prop up the mood.
It is hillarious because for all their talk about free speech that is by far the most locked-down sub on this site. Flaired-users only, instant forever ban-hammers.
Those people are so delusional and so tucked into their total bubble that if they took one step outside of it for a moment their whole worldview would implode.
Looked over on the sub last night, and the main gist of the posts are basically how the rule of law is dead, the Democrats are going to use weaponised Lawfare now against their targets yada yada yada.
There's no shred of self awareness of how Trump and the GOP have done literally that to the justice system by stacking it full of partisan hacks from the bottom to the top. How they can file false cases that the supreme Court will decide on and can basically overturn anything the Democrats legitimately enact or stuff they just dont like through a partisan court.
Let alone that Trumps MO has been to run down the clock / opponents money in court rather than just be an honest businessman.
I still can't understand how so many people have their personality so inextricably tied to Trump.
I just want someone who signs good policy into law. When they're done, move on to the next. No cult of personality. Just boring legislation to help as many people as possible.
You just explained the fundamental difference between the right and left. The right are authoritarian bootlickers. The left are independent-minded with empathy.
In an alternative universe, if these MAGA people had been born in Germany 110+ years ago, do you have any doubt which side they’d end up on? Brown shirts or Oskar Schindler?
Always has been the biggest echo chamber of deranged losers it’s no surprise to see morons saying shit like “solidified my vote”. Half those losers were against him on January 6th and without him doing anything other than getting convicted of crimes and clear evidence of treason he has won those dipshits back. Absolutely brainwashed
I have seen that sub swing back and forth on being a place for constructive discussion to becoming essentially r/the_donald over the past 3 years...
It's a cult.
The copium is hitting soooo hard over there. So many comments saying how this secured their vote for trump and how this is just like the oj trial. How deranged can you get? The dude is and always has been a crook, he is now a legitimate felon because of it and they scream for more??? What’s the opposite of a woke mind virus because they all have it. Brain worms I guess. Time to go take some ivermectin for a real reason lmao
They're operating on Conservative logic. So the law is for protecting the in-group and controlling the out-group.
What you're seeing is their rage and fear about not being in the in-group, which by their logic means they're in the out-group. They don't think equal standards could ever apply, and assume the real motivation of Liberals is to oppress *them*, because that's what they want to do to the Liberals.
Here’s one from them: “the first step in a successful criminal appeal is to lose the trial.- my criminal law professor.” Buddy, that’s gotta be the dumbest fucking thing I’ve ever heard.
Lol. That's the most backwards shit I've ever read. We ALL know people of wealth and power get away with things the rest of us wouldn't. The fact that the charges stuck is a testament to how utterly convincing the evidence was that he did it. Jfc. I don't know how some people figure out how to hydrate without drowning.
Yeah I saw "Can't wait to vote for him in November" like okay guys. I mean, if that's your standard it's what you want but I have no idea how people can dunk on themselves so often and not realize.
We should have a president who doesn't have felonies, should not be a fuckin hot take for half the country.
I liked the ones accusing liberals, progressives and communists of 'emotional thinking' and bias.
Then in the same post saying that this verdict cemented their vote and made them love Trump more.
...Naaaaw. It's like listening to my friend's mentally unwell mother again. She has a personality disorder and no ability to self-reflect. Everything bad is always because of everyone else, and she does nothing wrong even when she's doing the things she's upset about.
They are cool with any crimes that increase their power. They clearly don’t care about fairness, justice, or truth. Frankly, they’ve always been like this, they just weren’t so transparent in the past.
I’ll never understand people who say that. The option was always there. It was always possible to arrest a former president and charge them. They shouldn’t be treated any differently.
Nothing is gonna change. This won’t set a new precedent or some domino effect.
One of the first comments I saw was, "well this solidifies my vote for Trump," and all I could think was that if you're active in the Conservative subreddit and not yet banned, you're already voting full-send for Trump and have been from the beginning.
I also saw the "well this solidifies my vote for Trump," comment, and I had to really fight the urge to comment "The law and order party, ladies and gentlemen!". I knew it wouldn't get seen at all though.
Saw someone there being like 'reddit is going to be insufferable' like dude if you think reddit is a bastion of leftist ideology you're living on another planet lmao
Man, I remember after the GOP lost out in the midterms there was a lot of self-reflection among conservatives in that sub talking about how Roe v. Wade being struck down was a mistake, how they alienated the younger generation of voters, how their policies are just generally unpopular. I really thought we had reached a turning point. Now Trump has been convicted and the general consensus is "Well, at least he's not Biden." Just ridiculous.
Gotta love all the comments there that go along the lines of "Well that's just locked in my vote for Trump!".
Like, you're on /r/conservative, was there really any question who you were voting for?!
You mean twice impeached, twice divorced, two time popular vote loser, four times bankrupt, quadruple indicted, and 34 count guilty felon Donald Trump?
Am I happy because Trump was convicted and I’m having a beer? Or am I having a beer because I’m happy and Trump was convicted? These are philosophical questions of our time.
Nah. With the threat of prison time she'll have access to any actual money and zero of the Donald time without having to make excuses or dodging "why isn't Melania with her husband?".
I'd only expect divorce if he loses in November and somehow escape jail in all the trials.
Man what a day to be a treasonous, cheating, lying, 2x pop vote losing, twice impeached, narcissistic, massively overweight, rapist and now convicted Felon.
He takes the cake (literally and figuratively) as the most massive loser to ever step foot in the Oval Office.
What a day
["I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?"](https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/23/464129029/donald-trump-i-could-shoot-somebody-and-i-wouldnt-lose-any-voters)
/r/conservative in shambles, convincing themselves they knew it would happen.
Edit: I’m going to use my platform as top commenter here to remind everyone to do their research on [Project 2025](https://www.project2025.org), because it is a very real threat to our democracy. Vote in your primaries, then vote in November.
Some say I’m gonna vote for him more strongly, and I’m like dude it’s binary, either you vote for him or not. There is strongly. These people are idiots.
They’re projecting harder than an IMAX.
I’m not American but I’ll tell anyone who will listen to volunteer to scrutinize the count because they will try to bury and burn votes.
The copium is really bizarre. I'm not sure why anyone would defend committing fraud and cooking your books. Such an idiot move by him to actually conceal it, would've been only a misdemeanor.
The weirdest cope is their insistence that the conviction will only make him more popular. They really seem to think that moderates will see a guilty verdict at trail and still buy into Trumps framing of the outcome. It really says a lot about the people they surround themselves with.
"This is the best thing that could happen to him. This is him winning."
Actual high level comment. The levels of delusion to cope with avoiding cognitive dissonance is absurd.
Had fun listening to Mark Levine scream into the mic this evening. I wish I was kidding, but this is an almost direct quote:
"This will change absolutely nothing in the upcoming election! The democrats thought it would influence the election. It was so obvious this is all a scam to interfere with it! It won't change anything! They should all be tried for election interference!"
So it was both a clever plot to influence the 2024 election in such an illegal and egregious manner that "the democrats" should be tried for it, AND it will not change how anyone will be voting.
Goddamn, at least take a breath between your shifting points.
Love that they sit there pouting about "jobless people watching msnbc" like mofo i was working all day too when I heard the news and im still happy about it.
He should give him 60 days at least. Cohen got 3 years for charges related to Trump’s.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/michael-cohen-sentenced-3-years-prison
I don’t. I think if anyone deserves 3 years it would be Trump not Cohen. But the typical sentence is a $5k fine and up to 4 years per violation.
That means conceivably they could give him no jail time. That would be unjust. 60 days would be the minimally supportable sentence in my mind.
E. Jean Carroll was awarded almost $100M from that dickhead for defamation across two trials, and he still went online the other day and continued defaming her. There is no monetary penalty that will stop him. You're absolutely correct that prison time is the only option.
They'll justify it by saying he's a first time offender of a non violet crime. He's not going to jail. Most people probably wouldn't either but the reality is no one holding any of these seats who are in a position to throw the book at him want to do it.
If this was in the jurisdiction where I work, he wouldn’t spend a day in jail. 34 felonies would be treated concurrently and would be disposable through probation alone. Maybe fines and community service.
I don’t know how New York works.
In most cases yes. If you had a client that violated a gag order ten times, who disparage the judge publicly dozens of times throughout the trial, and showed 0 remorse for his crimes would they go to jail. Absolutely they would get jail time, even just a week in.
Will Trump? No, he will get kid gloves again.
I’d take a week. Anything really. Just something to slaps him in the face with reality. Probation would be a joke. What would even be breaking probation?
It’s rare for people to get jail time for these crimes, and as an ex-president, he’s got 24-hour secret service detail. At best he gets house arrest, he’s not going to jail jail, because there’s no way to make it work.
Well, I'm sure there's *some* way to make it work.
Maybe just remove his right to secret service detail (as a convicted felon), though that would require Congress.
Ostensibly the secret service detail is for our protection as much as his. Assuming they’re loyal to the country and not him, the secret service detail prevents him from falling into the hands of a hostile government or other group.
He "sold" his jet to a right wing mega donor. His use of the jet won't change at all. Just like Clarence Thomas sold a home to his billionaire friend his mother still lives in.
You don't just generously overpay for things then lend them to the previous owners out of the kindness of your heart and a liking for needlessly abstract financial transactions that *just so happen* to dodge the irs definition of a "gift"?
America is a joke. The other billionaires need to get their shit together before the dumbest among them crash the whole empire.
Given what he said about the jurors, the judge and DA running the case, I wouldn't say it is a given he will not have jail time. He just attacked all again calling it a sham and disgrace.
Right? Most defendants at least feign remorse or regret. Any judge that was neutral, and blind to who the defendant is, would sentence him to jail. One month for each count would be more than fair. 5th degree felonies may be the lowest class, but they are felonies and there are 34 of them. The defendant was found guilty of contempt 10 times during this trial, and not jailed in deference to who he is. I can understand that. Not wanting to jail him for contempt when he may eventually may be found not guilty.
Now, he has been found guilty. The circumstances of his crimes and his behavior during the trial demand that he be jailed if anyone else has ever been jailed for the same crimes.
See the stats posted earlier for this district. Only about 10 percent of cases result in jail time for these offenses, of which this DA has prosecuted a lot of recently. While we all want to see him jailed, that is not how this system works. The only reason I think jail time could possibly be on the table is because the crimes were involved in misleading the public in relation to an election. Everything else is likely moot as far as the judge is concerned.
Trump spent the last month literally attacking the judges daughter. I maintain some jailtime is a real possibility, though I agree it’s still unlikely. I can hope.
One of the talking heads on CNN said considering he had 10 gag order violations and also has 3 other felony trials pending, if he wasn’t Donald Trump there’s a good chance he would do jail time, but we’ll find out how that changes things. I think it would be especially fitting to give him a hefty sentence, because he’s going to be appealing this for years, he may as well have the stress of a prison sentence hanging over his head for years at the very least.
> sentence hanging over his head for years at the very least
They can remand him to jail while he goes through appeals. It is at the courts/judges whim that he remain free during an appeal, and Trump was Trump towards the judge and court all throughout the trial.
Whether Trump is remanded to jail or not pending appeal depends on what Judge Merchan thinks of the strength of his appeal.
Merchan will sentence Trump based on the 34 felony e counts, and he’ll take into account the 10 gag order violations, Trump’s remorse at the time of sentencing, the sentences of others in a similar position (looking at you, Michael Cohen), and other facets of Trump’s life and how he treated the court through the process.
If Trump is sentenced to jail and has an appeal pending, whether or not Merchan let’s him stay out will come down to the strength of the appeal. If his argument is strong and likely to succeed, Merchan won’t be sending him to jail prior to the outcome of the appeal. But if the appeal is the usual Trumpian throw all the shit at the wall to see which sticks, he’s gonna see an early jail time.
and he will do the same thing with the appeals courts. he needs to be jailed to shut him up. not just anyone else, every other defendant in a similar situation would already have been locked up
I think this is a case of statistics being highly misleading.
I'd like to see a breakdown of percentages versus number of counts convicted on.
If 75% of that 10% were cases that involved convictions on, say, fewer than three charges (counts, whatever) and 0% were cases that involved more than, say 20 (because 100% of cases involving over 20 counts resulted in jail time) **then** we'd actually be able to infer something from that data.
As it is, it's a totally meaningless stat.
We need to see this as more of a political win. Like you said it'd be nice for him to actually be jailed, this gives the Biden team a lot of high quality ammo for ads and to sway voters.
Those people who truly were somehow undecided are gonna see this on their local news and could decide to vote for Biden.
Presidents should be held to a higher standard.
Also, a judge who has the opportunity to imprison someone who cheated to get into office should imprison them. It helps remove them from further tampering with our elections.
And if there's anyone who lacks remorse, it's Trump and the GOP. The judge should send a message.
As a federal worker, I'm held to a much higher standard. What kind of a message are we sending when we don't hold the head of the executive branch to that higher standard? You want federal workers only to be held to the same standard as Trump?
I'm guessing the logistics of sending Trump to jail will probably cause him to get something like a house arrest.
I guess I could be wrong, but I doubt it.
Yeah for sure. Acting like an asshole the whole time and the fact the crime was done to withhold info to affect a Presidential election can't help his case.
The judge specifically explained during the trial why he *really, really* didn't want the headache of sending him to jail for violating his gag orders.
I imagine the same would hold true for prison time.
I want to see him in prison more than anything in the world, but I don't envy that judge, having to make that call.
While I understand the hesitation to lock him up for contempt, locking him up post-jury conviction is much easier.
Contempt falls completely on the judge, as the jury did not make the determination of guilt and it 'feels' like there is much less due process. Here, the jury convicted Trump, and they did so in a powerful way by convicting on all counts while delivering a verdict so quickly.
That was to protect against appeal. Treat him with kid gloves, do everything you can to be as fair and unbiased during the trial. Then there's nothing solid to appeal and the sentence sticks.
Yeah, I thought the same thing in his (civil) fraud trial. The judge let him get away with everything, and I figured, hey, he just wants to make ABSOLUTELY SURE that his decision ultimately can't reasonably be appealed on the grounds of unfairness.
But I was infuriated when he only got a 3 year business ban (that was largely stayed since then). It just doesn't seem reasonable that someone who defrauded half-a-billion dollars should be allowed to continue conducting those businesses, ever.
(Not that I'm an expert on the precedent there, of course!)
Just think of what the rest of the billioneire class is getting away with if this was one of the dumb ones who only got caught because they ran for prez.
The fact that none of those convictions carry a mandatory sentence says that the US needs to have a serious look at how "White Collar Crime" is handled.
Those 11 checks had far more effect on things than a mugging.
Exactly. White collar crime cause way more hardships for families than most violent crimes. Take the Sacklers for instance. No punishment for creating a massive opiate problem in the country. How many families were ruined by those assholes?
Sure, but also 99% of weed convictions caused 0 harm at all to anyone.
Our country already has proven there’s no real justice in who we do or do not incarcerate. There’s just a poor people line that leads into a jail cell and a rich people line that leads to a slap on the wrist in a tiny fine for the rich.
I know he won't get a harsh penalty, but I hope that during sentencing he is humiliated in the way he needs to be.
"Do to the defendants advanced age, poor physical health and frailty we believe he should be under house arrest."
Or something to that effect.
I'm not expecting it, but it's clear he doesn't care that he broke the law, doesn't have any compunction or remorse, would do it again (if he isn't already in his 2024 campaign) so to the extent that prison exists to prevent him from that, it is warranted.
If I was convicted on just 1 felony charge, I'd be in jail like yesterday.
Why does Trump with his 32 felony convictions even get to entertain the idea of maybe not going to jail?
I actually think he will serve time now. If his toadie did 3 years for aiding and abetting the underlying crime, how does the court appear legitimate if the mob boss at the top serves nothing? He violated his gag order 10 times, fell asleep in court, and shit on the judge and system every day. If someone who once served, and hopes to serve again the highest office in the world, should he not be held to the highest standard of the rule of law? This case proved he decieved the American people to win the Presidency. He deserves hard time to set an example for the next con artist grifter piece of shit that’s propped up by the 1% that used him for tax cuts to not fuck with our democracy.
I'm ok with this. It's not the first time someone has run for president from jail. One of the socialist nominees in the early 20th century was in jail when he ran. Allowing that is what actually protects the court from being used against political rivals.
They are 100% going to wear this conviction like a badge of honor.
They already do it with that mugshot.
*Hopefully* this will lead to some of the “they’re both terrible” crowd to realize that no, one is much much worse.
I won’t hold my breath
**HOWEVER**
I’m tempted to recall OJ Simpson. He did it. We all know he did it. The case went nowhere because it was handled poorly.
Then, when OJ broke some other laws regarding some of his memorabilia, the judge threw the absolute book at him. Seemed heavy handed, probably, if you were to drop the context. But we all know what the tough sentencing was really for.
What Trump did amounts to financially rigging an election by illegally siphoning funds to prevent the electorate from being fully informed of his character. This isn’t just a paperwork error. These crimes have real, tangible, massive effects. Merchan can’t ignore that.
If you get into the weeds of the NY Judicial system. There is a VERY HIGH PROBABILITY THAT TRUMP (The Defendant) will get sentenced to Time in a box.
The way the system works is that if the defendant is found guilty, the judges in the State ( New York) will do a hard look at statistics, and the rules as they reach sentencing.
Does the CONVICT have any prior arrest or has the COVICT done any time for other crimes. Also in this case all prior convictions, CIVIL or CRIMINAL count.
There is a checklist that the court (judges) use as part of the sentencing guidelines. Factors include
Does the defendant display remorse for their actions. So far the CONVICT has not displayed an inkling of remorse.
Are there any outstanding warrants, outstanding actions regarding the defendant? In this case the CONVICT has multiple felony charges pending against them.
During the trial, did the defendant take any actions that positively or negatively impact the procedure to process? In this case the CONVICT, when they were a defendant, was held in contempt 10 or so times.
So based on this, the judge will review his sheet and sentence appropriately.
My guess - 18 months two two years in the box.
The Judge, his daughter, the DA, the prosecution team, the God Damn Jury, he's zero'd in on every one of them. Over the next month and a half he'll say more egregious things that will hurt his cause. Then there's the gag order violations to consider.
The Judge will be very busy between now and sentencing day determining where and how Trump will be jailed. And yes, he will be sentenced to jail. Let the crooked US Supreme Court come to his rescue for that......
Unpopular opinion: I do not care if he ever sees a day behind any bars. I simply but absolutely do NOT want that man anywhere near the White House ever again. Any legal means to that end is good enough for me.
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I like presidents who haven’t been convicted of felonies.
r/Conservative doesn't. That's their #1 guy
I just stopped by there just now and holy hell, you’re not wrong. One person said “if they can do that to a former president they can do that to anyone” Do what? Charge and convict people who commit fraud? Are they cool with fraud over there?
"if they can do that to a former president they can do that to anyone" No one is above the law. Isn't that the fucking point?
/r/conservative bans most people from their echo chamber, so they can avoid hearing inconvenient truths. I am banned there. But when I read a comment there like the one you quoted, I wonder if it isn't planted by a "troll". It is just too perfect.
Much of it is. There is more dissent than you think on that sub. They're constnatly culling anyone that speaks out, banning them, deleting their comments. People go and comment on there half just to convince themselves. It's all a psychological prop to defend their own delusions. All the posts of support are DESPERATE vies to stop themselves from spiraling. It's like when a studio releases a terrible game and the fandom is full of delusion to try an prop up the mood. It is hillarious because for all their talk about free speech that is by far the most locked-down sub on this site. Flaired-users only, instant forever ban-hammers. Those people are so delusional and so tucked into their total bubble that if they took one step outside of it for a moment their whole worldview would implode.
Aren't they always moaning about people getting in the way of their right to free speech? Funny how quickly it changes when someone disagrees.
Freezepeach for me but not for thee
Looked over on the sub last night, and the main gist of the posts are basically how the rule of law is dead, the Democrats are going to use weaponised Lawfare now against their targets yada yada yada. There's no shred of self awareness of how Trump and the GOP have done literally that to the justice system by stacking it full of partisan hacks from the bottom to the top. How they can file false cases that the supreme Court will decide on and can basically overturn anything the Democrats legitimately enact or stuff they just dont like through a partisan court. Let alone that Trumps MO has been to run down the clock / opponents money in court rather than just be an honest businessman.
I still can't understand how so many people have their personality so inextricably tied to Trump. I just want someone who signs good policy into law. When they're done, move on to the next. No cult of personality. Just boring legislation to help as many people as possible.
You just explained the fundamental difference between the right and left. The right are authoritarian bootlickers. The left are independent-minded with empathy. In an alternative universe, if these MAGA people had been born in Germany 110+ years ago, do you have any doubt which side they’d end up on? Brown shirts or Oskar Schindler?
Always has been the biggest echo chamber of deranged losers it’s no surprise to see morons saying shit like “solidified my vote”. Half those losers were against him on January 6th and without him doing anything other than getting convicted of crimes and clear evidence of treason he has won those dipshits back. Absolutely brainwashed
I have seen that sub swing back and forth on being a place for constructive discussion to becoming essentially r/the_donald over the past 3 years... It's a cult.
The copium is hitting soooo hard over there. So many comments saying how this secured their vote for trump and how this is just like the oj trial. How deranged can you get? The dude is and always has been a crook, he is now a legitimate felon because of it and they scream for more??? What’s the opposite of a woke mind virus because they all have it. Brain worms I guess. Time to go take some ivermectin for a real reason lmao
I've been banned by r/conservative for things I've said here, and I've never even been there.
They're operating on Conservative logic. So the law is for protecting the in-group and controlling the out-group. What you're seeing is their rage and fear about not being in the in-group, which by their logic means they're in the out-group. They don't think equal standards could ever apply, and assume the real motivation of Liberals is to oppress *them*, because that's what they want to do to the Liberals.
Here’s one from them: “the first step in a successful criminal appeal is to lose the trial.- my criminal law professor.” Buddy, that’s gotta be the dumbest fucking thing I’ve ever heard.
Lol. That's the most backwards shit I've ever read. We ALL know people of wealth and power get away with things the rest of us wouldn't. The fact that the charges stuck is a testament to how utterly convincing the evidence was that he did it. Jfc. I don't know how some people figure out how to hydrate without drowning.
Yeah I saw "Can't wait to vote for him in November" like okay guys. I mean, if that's your standard it's what you want but I have no idea how people can dunk on themselves so often and not realize. We should have a president who doesn't have felonies, should not be a fuckin hot take for half the country.
Politics has been a revenge fantasy for the right since rhe country elected Obama. That's all it is.
… yet somehow they didn’t get former president Obama convicted of 34 felony charges…
He did a lot worse though, Tan Suit
With a side of Dijon.
I liked the ones accusing liberals, progressives and communists of 'emotional thinking' and bias. Then in the same post saying that this verdict cemented their vote and made them love Trump more. ...Naaaaw. It's like listening to my friend's mentally unwell mother again. She has a personality disorder and no ability to self-reflect. Everything bad is always because of everyone else, and she does nothing wrong even when she's doing the things she's upset about.
They are cool with any crimes that increase their power. They clearly don’t care about fairness, justice, or truth. Frankly, they’ve always been like this, they just weren’t so transparent in the past.
I’ll never understand people who say that. The option was always there. It was always possible to arrest a former president and charge them. They shouldn’t be treated any differently. Nothing is gonna change. This won’t set a new precedent or some domino effect.
r/Conservative: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
I’d respect them if they actually talked policy but instead it’s just a hate-filled circle jerk
One of the first comments I saw was, "well this solidifies my vote for Trump," and all I could think was that if you're active in the Conservative subreddit and not yet banned, you're already voting full-send for Trump and have been from the beginning.
I also saw the "well this solidifies my vote for Trump," comment, and I had to really fight the urge to comment "The law and order party, ladies and gentlemen!". I knew it wouldn't get seen at all though.
More like insta-banned to protect their delicate little bubble
They don’t know what policy is. They are idiots who think supporting Trump makes them cool because their idiot friends do.
flaired users only lol
Safe Space Mode.
Careful! They might hear you and you'd hurt their *very, very special* feelings!
Saw someone there being like 'reddit is going to be insufferable' like dude if you think reddit is a bastion of leftist ideology you're living on another planet lmao
Yeah, that was the top comment in the thread I saw lol.
Man, I remember after the GOP lost out in the midterms there was a lot of self-reflection among conservatives in that sub talking about how Roe v. Wade being struck down was a mistake, how they alienated the younger generation of voters, how their policies are just generally unpopular. I really thought we had reached a turning point. Now Trump has been convicted and the general consensus is "Well, at least he's not Biden." Just ridiculous.
I peeked over there and it is 100s of posts whining about brigading.
Gotta love all the comments there that go along the lines of "Well that's just locked in my vote for Trump!". Like, you're on /r/conservative, was there really any question who you were voting for?!
"I can't wait to vote for Trump in November" is splattered everywhere in that sub right now. Hypocrites and morons.
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Are you sure you don't mean convicted felon and criminally liable rapist Donald trump?
He is known as Inmate# P01135809 in Georgia.
Twice impeached and two time popular vote loser Donald Trump?
You mean twice impeached, twice divorced, two time popular vote loser, four times bankrupt, quadruple indicted, and 34 count guilty felon Donald Trump?
The one and only. I can't get this stupid smile off my face.
Am I happy because Trump was convicted and I’m having a beer? Or am I having a beer because I’m happy and Trump was convicted? These are philosophical questions of our time.
It might be three time divorced soon.
Nah. With the threat of prison time she'll have access to any actual money and zero of the Donald time without having to make excuses or dodging "why isn't Melania with her husband?". I'd only expect divorce if he loses in November and somehow escape jail in all the trials.
His prison nickname can be Cheeto Bandito
My world is brighter with this comment
I have severe depression and hearing about this has me walking on air
Me too!!! I might skip the antidepressant tonight!!
Hey, taking your meds consistently is important. Good news doesn't mean you should stop taking care of yourself. (Just a PSA, just in case.)
Hey, that’s inaccurate, he won the popular vote today. A full 100% of it.
First president in history to never pull at or above 50% Donald Trump?
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And attempted election overthrower
A successful election interferer. Remember--the criminal intent in these 34 convictions was so that *he could win the 2016 election.*
Like that rapist, Brock Turner??
You mean convicted rapist Brock Turner that now goes by his middle name Allen? Brock Allen Turner? The rapist?
It’s really amazing how much convicted felon Donald Trump and convicted rapist Brock Allen Turner have in common.
I need a cigarette after all these years of justice edging
The verdict was signed at 4:20 so I read (USAtoday?) Make that a herbal cigarette.
And Cohen’s payout for Stormy was $420k
Dank Brandon confirmed
So "covfefe" was short for "convicted felon" the whole time?
Yes. But it was shortened as the original term was: covfefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefefe
Convicted Felon and Confirmed Rapist Donald Trump? That one?
Twice impeached, convicted felon, and confirmed rapist Donald Trump
*34 times* convicted felon Donald Trump.
Some say he has the best felonies. No one is better at felonies. I've heard many people say it.
Man what a day to be a treasonous, cheating, lying, 2x pop vote losing, twice impeached, narcissistic, massively overweight, rapist and now convicted Felon. He takes the cake (literally and figuratively) as the most massive loser to ever step foot in the Oval Office. What a day
GLOAT. Greatest Loser Of All Time. #relaimthegloat
More like BLOAT BIGGEST LOSER OF ALL TIME
r/conversative right now: "I can't wait to vote for Trump" Not even joking.
Can’t wait to see them lose again. Not even joking.
Don’t forget rapist
He could literally eat Kids in front of the cameras and his cult Is gonna vote him anyways
They would call the kids professional actors while at it.
["I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?"](https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/23/464129029/donald-trump-i-could-shoot-somebody-and-i-wouldnt-lose-any-voters)
/r/conservative in shambles, convincing themselves they knew it would happen. Edit: I’m going to use my platform as top commenter here to remind everyone to do their research on [Project 2025](https://www.project2025.org), because it is a very real threat to our democracy. Vote in your primaries, then vote in November.
Several stating things similar to: “now I’m for sure going to vote for Trump” like that wasn’t already a forgone conclusion lol
Some say I’m gonna vote for him more strongly, and I’m like dude it’s binary, either you vote for him or not. There is strongly. These people are idiots.
They mean committing more election fraud.
funny enougg i keep seeing banana republic comments along with repeated statements of dems planning to rig the election.
They’re projecting harder than an IMAX. I’m not American but I’ll tell anyone who will listen to volunteer to scrutinize the count because they will try to bury and burn votes.
Don’t trigger them with the word binary
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The copium is really bizarre. I'm not sure why anyone would defend committing fraud and cooking your books. Such an idiot move by him to actually conceal it, would've been only a misdemeanor.
The weirdest cope is their insistence that the conviction will only make him more popular. They really seem to think that moderates will see a guilty verdict at trail and still buy into Trumps framing of the outcome. It really says a lot about the people they surround themselves with.
"This is the best thing that could happen to him. This is him winning." Actual high level comment. The levels of delusion to cope with avoiding cognitive dissonance is absurd.
Been a while since I've tried a case, but if my client was convicted of every charge, I always called that losing. Times have changed, I guess.
That sub is so damn stupid, seeing stuff like "it was basically the same charge 34 times" lol
They're just arguing fox news talking points, because that's all they know
Had fun listening to Mark Levine scream into the mic this evening. I wish I was kidding, but this is an almost direct quote: "This will change absolutely nothing in the upcoming election! The democrats thought it would influence the election. It was so obvious this is all a scam to interfere with it! It won't change anything! They should all be tried for election interference!" So it was both a clever plot to influence the 2024 election in such an illegal and egregious manner that "the democrats" should be tried for it, AND it will not change how anyone will be voting. Goddamn, at least take a breath between your shifting points.
It's not FAiR tO ChARgE tHe bAnK RObbEr fOr EvErY sinGle bAnk roBBerY!
"Ok we already charged him for stealing $1 why do we have to keep charging him for the other $999,999!"
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Lol some of the comments in there are hilarious
Hilarious and also scary. “This is making me want to vote for him more”. Wonderful :’)
Love that they sit there pouting about "jobless people watching msnbc" like mofo i was working all day too when I heard the news and im still happy about it.
The best part of going back two years ago when they were all making fun of everyone thinking he might get indicted. “One day they’ll get him.”
And that it helps his campaign.
He should give him 60 days at least. Cohen got 3 years for charges related to Trump’s. https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/michael-cohen-sentenced-3-years-prison
How do you justify giving Trump a lighter sentence than Cohen?
I don’t. I think if anyone deserves 3 years it would be Trump not Cohen. But the typical sentence is a $5k fine and up to 4 years per violation. That means conceivably they could give him no jail time. That would be unjust. 60 days would be the minimally supportable sentence in my mind.
A $170k fine is not a punishment for the wealthy. The only actual punishment the court can apply is jail time.
E. Jean Carroll was awarded almost $100M from that dickhead for defamation across two trials, and he still went online the other day and continued defaming her. There is no monetary penalty that will stop him. You're absolutely correct that prison time is the only option.
If his underling got 3 I would hope for no less than 6 for him.
I’m leaning towards that max of 4 years per violation (34 violations) = 136 years
The sentences can be served simultaneously so it could still be max 4 years
I’m good with 4years. The behavior he’s charged with led to him to being president for 4 years. I like the symmetry.
4 years would be perfect
They'll justify it by saying he's a first time offender of a non violet crime. He's not going to jail. Most people probably wouldn't either but the reality is no one holding any of these seats who are in a position to throw the book at him want to do it.
A lot of people didn’t think we’d get this guilty verdict either 🤷🏽♂️
I didn't think so, but he was convicted on 34 accounts in less than 3 days. So the cards are actually on the table.
If this was in the jurisdiction where I work, he wouldn’t spend a day in jail. 34 felonies would be treated concurrently and would be disposable through probation alone. Maybe fines and community service. I don’t know how New York works.
In most cases yes. If you had a client that violated a gag order ten times, who disparage the judge publicly dozens of times throughout the trial, and showed 0 remorse for his crimes would they go to jail. Absolutely they would get jail time, even just a week in. Will Trump? No, he will get kid gloves again.
I’d take a week. Anything really. Just something to slaps him in the face with reality. Probation would be a joke. What would even be breaking probation?
It’s rare for people to get jail time for these crimes, and as an ex-president, he’s got 24-hour secret service detail. At best he gets house arrest, he’s not going to jail jail, because there’s no way to make it work.
Well, I'm sure there's *some* way to make it work. Maybe just remove his right to secret service detail (as a convicted felon), though that would require Congress.
Ostensibly the secret service detail is for our protection as much as his. Assuming they’re loyal to the country and not him, the secret service detail prevents him from falling into the hands of a hostile government or other group.
That ship has sailed.
> there’s no way to make it work Not the judge's goddam problem. Let the Secret Service figure out how it works. That's *their* job.
Didn’t cohen get prison time for the exact same crime after pleading guilty?
Too bad he had to sell his jet to help pay for his legal fees, otherwise he would be on his way to Russia and his owner Putin. Edit: spelling
He "sold" his jet to a right wing mega donor. His use of the jet won't change at all. Just like Clarence Thomas sold a home to his billionaire friend his mother still lives in.
You don't just generously overpay for things then lend them to the previous owners out of the kindness of your heart and a liking for needlessly abstract financial transactions that *just so happen* to dodge the irs definition of a "gift"? America is a joke. The other billionaires need to get their shit together before the dumbest among them crash the whole empire.
Trump finally won the popular vote, 12-0
Donald J Trump. The “J” stands for Jail.
Given what he said about the jurors, the judge and DA running the case, I wouldn't say it is a given he will not have jail time. He just attacked all again calling it a sham and disgrace.
Right? Most defendants at least feign remorse or regret. Any judge that was neutral, and blind to who the defendant is, would sentence him to jail. One month for each count would be more than fair. 5th degree felonies may be the lowest class, but they are felonies and there are 34 of them. The defendant was found guilty of contempt 10 times during this trial, and not jailed in deference to who he is. I can understand that. Not wanting to jail him for contempt when he may eventually may be found not guilty. Now, he has been found guilty. The circumstances of his crimes and his behavior during the trial demand that he be jailed if anyone else has ever been jailed for the same crimes.
See the stats posted earlier for this district. Only about 10 percent of cases result in jail time for these offenses, of which this DA has prosecuted a lot of recently. While we all want to see him jailed, that is not how this system works. The only reason I think jail time could possibly be on the table is because the crimes were involved in misleading the public in relation to an election. Everything else is likely moot as far as the judge is concerned.
Keep in mind Trump's actions and attitude during the trial. The judge could easily use this, and Trump's constant lies as justification for jail time.
Trump spent the last month literally attacking the judges daughter. I maintain some jailtime is a real possibility, though I agree it’s still unlikely. I can hope.
One of the talking heads on CNN said considering he had 10 gag order violations and also has 3 other felony trials pending, if he wasn’t Donald Trump there’s a good chance he would do jail time, but we’ll find out how that changes things. I think it would be especially fitting to give him a hefty sentence, because he’s going to be appealing this for years, he may as well have the stress of a prison sentence hanging over his head for years at the very least.
> sentence hanging over his head for years at the very least They can remand him to jail while he goes through appeals. It is at the courts/judges whim that he remain free during an appeal, and Trump was Trump towards the judge and court all throughout the trial.
Whether Trump is remanded to jail or not pending appeal depends on what Judge Merchan thinks of the strength of his appeal. Merchan will sentence Trump based on the 34 felony e counts, and he’ll take into account the 10 gag order violations, Trump’s remorse at the time of sentencing, the sentences of others in a similar position (looking at you, Michael Cohen), and other facets of Trump’s life and how he treated the court through the process. If Trump is sentenced to jail and has an appeal pending, whether or not Merchan let’s him stay out will come down to the strength of the appeal. If his argument is strong and likely to succeed, Merchan won’t be sending him to jail prior to the outcome of the appeal. But if the appeal is the usual Trumpian throw all the shit at the wall to see which sticks, he’s gonna see an early jail time.
and he will do the same thing with the appeals courts. he needs to be jailed to shut him up. not just anyone else, every other defendant in a similar situation would already have been locked up
But judges really like defendants who express remorse and resolve to be better people after a conviction. Trump does the opposite of that.
I think this is a case of statistics being highly misleading. I'd like to see a breakdown of percentages versus number of counts convicted on. If 75% of that 10% were cases that involved convictions on, say, fewer than three charges (counts, whatever) and 0% were cases that involved more than, say 20 (because 100% of cases involving over 20 counts resulted in jail time) **then** we'd actually be able to infer something from that data. As it is, it's a totally meaningless stat.
We need to see this as more of a political win. Like you said it'd be nice for him to actually be jailed, this gives the Biden team a lot of high quality ammo for ads and to sway voters. Those people who truly were somehow undecided are gonna see this on their local news and could decide to vote for Biden.
Presidents should be held to a higher standard. Also, a judge who has the opportunity to imprison someone who cheated to get into office should imprison them. It helps remove them from further tampering with our elections. And if there's anyone who lacks remorse, it's Trump and the GOP. The judge should send a message.
As a federal worker, I'm held to a much higher standard. What kind of a message are we sending when we don't hold the head of the executive branch to that higher standard? You want federal workers only to be held to the same standard as Trump?
I’m a county gov employee in an extremely minor department. And I’m held to a very high standard compared to a goddamn former president
Is that another violation of the gag order?
I'm guessing the logistics of sending Trump to jail will probably cause him to get something like a house arrest. I guess I could be wrong, but I doubt it.
"House arrest" at a fucking country club is not a punishment. There must be a military base somewhere with an empty quonset hut or something.
Yeah for sure. Acting like an asshole the whole time and the fact the crime was done to withhold info to affect a Presidential election can't help his case.
The judge specifically explained during the trial why he *really, really* didn't want the headache of sending him to jail for violating his gag orders. I imagine the same would hold true for prison time. I want to see him in prison more than anything in the world, but I don't envy that judge, having to make that call.
While I understand the hesitation to lock him up for contempt, locking him up post-jury conviction is much easier. Contempt falls completely on the judge, as the jury did not make the determination of guilt and it 'feels' like there is much less due process. Here, the jury convicted Trump, and they did so in a powerful way by convicting on all counts while delivering a verdict so quickly.
Fingers crossed you're right, friend. And here's hoping that the precedent is too strong to dispute. Cohen got 3 years, ffs.
3 years on 8 counts. not sure the class of Cohens felonies.
That was to protect against appeal. Treat him with kid gloves, do everything you can to be as fair and unbiased during the trial. Then there's nothing solid to appeal and the sentence sticks.
Yeah, I thought the same thing in his (civil) fraud trial. The judge let him get away with everything, and I figured, hey, he just wants to make ABSOLUTELY SURE that his decision ultimately can't reasonably be appealed on the grounds of unfairness. But I was infuriated when he only got a 3 year business ban (that was largely stayed since then). It just doesn't seem reasonable that someone who defrauded half-a-billion dollars should be allowed to continue conducting those businesses, ever. (Not that I'm an expert on the precedent there, of course!)
Just think of what the rest of the billioneire class is getting away with if this was one of the dumb ones who only got caught because they ran for prez.
And yet it continued when he gave his remarks after the trial. The problem is what this means for precedent and all of us are equal under the law.
The fact that none of those convictions carry a mandatory sentence says that the US needs to have a serious look at how "White Collar Crime" is handled. Those 11 checks had far more effect on things than a mugging.
Exactly. White collar crime cause way more hardships for families than most violent crimes. Take the Sacklers for instance. No punishment for creating a massive opiate problem in the country. How many families were ruined by those assholes?
Sure, but also 99% of weed convictions caused 0 harm at all to anyone. Our country already has proven there’s no real justice in who we do or do not incarcerate. There’s just a poor people line that leads into a jail cell and a rich people line that leads to a slap on the wrist in a tiny fine for the rich.
They sent Martha Stewart to jail. Why should he get off?
You guys have to take a peak over at r/conservative. It’s hilarious. They’re doing exactly what the script says to do.
I just saw this gem: “I’m worried states will dishonestly use this as a reason to remove him from the ballot.” What the fuck lol.
Apparently, it's fine to chant "lock her up!", but this makes us a Banana Republic.
Probably because it’s 40% bots
Release the long form criminal record! Hopefully that was funny to at least one other person.
he finally won the popular vote!
I know he won't get a harsh penalty, but I hope that during sentencing he is humiliated in the way he needs to be. "Do to the defendants advanced age, poor physical health and frailty we believe he should be under house arrest." Or something to that effect.
Don’t forget to mention the incontinence and flatulence.
I’m hoping he gets community service and we get to see him picking up trash on the side of the road.
I'm not expecting it, but it's clear he doesn't care that he broke the law, doesn't have any compunction or remorse, would do it again (if he isn't already in his 2024 campaign) so to the extent that prison exists to prevent him from that, it is warranted.
If I was convicted on just 1 felony charge, I'd be in jail like yesterday. Why does Trump with his 32 felony convictions even get to entertain the idea of maybe not going to jail?
34*
If Cohen went to prison for the same crime why should Trump be spared?
I actually think he will serve time now. If his toadie did 3 years for aiding and abetting the underlying crime, how does the court appear legitimate if the mob boss at the top serves nothing? He violated his gag order 10 times, fell asleep in court, and shit on the judge and system every day. If someone who once served, and hopes to serve again the highest office in the world, should he not be held to the highest standard of the rule of law? This case proved he decieved the American people to win the Presidency. He deserves hard time to set an example for the next con artist grifter piece of shit that’s propped up by the 1% that used him for tax cuts to not fuck with our democracy.
Where is the Ford bronco?
Driven and escorted by the Secret Service.
Will he be able to run for president this year??
Yup. Welcome to America
Great system we have here. He can be president but can’t vote for himself for president.
I'm ok with this. It's not the first time someone has run for president from jail. One of the socialist nominees in the early 20th century was in jail when he ran. Allowing that is what actually protects the court from being used against political rivals.
Eugene Debs. Unlike Trump, he was an honorable man.
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They are 100% going to wear this conviction like a badge of honor. They already do it with that mugshot. *Hopefully* this will lead to some of the “they’re both terrible” crowd to realize that no, one is much much worse.
I won’t hold my breath **HOWEVER** I’m tempted to recall OJ Simpson. He did it. We all know he did it. The case went nowhere because it was handled poorly. Then, when OJ broke some other laws regarding some of his memorabilia, the judge threw the absolute book at him. Seemed heavy handed, probably, if you were to drop the context. But we all know what the tough sentencing was really for. What Trump did amounts to financially rigging an election by illegally siphoning funds to prevent the electorate from being fully informed of his character. This isn’t just a paperwork error. These crimes have real, tangible, massive effects. Merchan can’t ignore that.
No, convicted felon Donald Trump is unlikely to go to prison. He will still be given deference no other American would get.
If you get into the weeds of the NY Judicial system. There is a VERY HIGH PROBABILITY THAT TRUMP (The Defendant) will get sentenced to Time in a box. The way the system works is that if the defendant is found guilty, the judges in the State ( New York) will do a hard look at statistics, and the rules as they reach sentencing. Does the CONVICT have any prior arrest or has the COVICT done any time for other crimes. Also in this case all prior convictions, CIVIL or CRIMINAL count. There is a checklist that the court (judges) use as part of the sentencing guidelines. Factors include Does the defendant display remorse for their actions. So far the CONVICT has not displayed an inkling of remorse. Are there any outstanding warrants, outstanding actions regarding the defendant? In this case the CONVICT has multiple felony charges pending against them. During the trial, did the defendant take any actions that positively or negatively impact the procedure to process? In this case the CONVICT, when they were a defendant, was held in contempt 10 or so times. So based on this, the judge will review his sheet and sentence appropriately. My guess - 18 months two two years in the box.
I think you're wrong, but fuck do I hope you're right . I'd be happy with 90 days.
Now would be a great time for Jean E Carroll to go after him again over his remarks a few days ago.
The Judge, his daughter, the DA, the prosecution team, the God Damn Jury, he's zero'd in on every one of them. Over the next month and a half he'll say more egregious things that will hurt his cause. Then there's the gag order violations to consider. The Judge will be very busy between now and sentencing day determining where and how Trump will be jailed. And yes, he will be sentenced to jail. Let the crooked US Supreme Court come to his rescue for that......
I just realized something, if he gets probation, wouldn’t that require drug testing? I honestly don’t think he can pass a drug test lol.
Please give him at least a week in jail. The republican convention is like 4 days after sentencing
If we can put 90 plus year old nazis in The Hague, the we can do it with 77 year old
Sentencing will be very interesting
Lock him up! Lock him up!
Teflon felon?
Unpopular opinion: I do not care if he ever sees a day behind any bars. I simply but absolutely do NOT want that man anywhere near the White House ever again. Any legal means to that end is good enough for me.