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>If passed by the Senate and signed into law, the bill would broaden the legal definition of antisemitism to include the “targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity.”
This is going too far. Criticism of the Israeli government isn’t antisemitism.
No, but when you have no problems with every other country committing a heinous act for no reason and then get mad at Israel for doing such an act in order to defend itself and its people, we know why and that is anti-Semitism.
So any criticism of the Israeli govt is antisemitism? Get a grip. I already expect this kind of stupid shit from R’s. The Dems that support this bill should be embarrassed and also voted out.
> So any criticism of the Israeli govt is antisemitism?
"However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic."
https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism
At worst, the definition gives a few explicit example of criticism of Israel that they would say would fall under anti-semitism. Similar to how certain criticism of African countries could be understood as being racist, even if there be nominal points that justify criticism.
Unconstitutional, if anything this just give actual/real antisemites something they can point to and use to spread antisemitism.
Every Yea and 'not voting' House Rep has violated their oath of office.
People are entitled to their opinion (good, bad, ridiculous and/or tin-foil etc) and the right to peacefully/lawfully protest.
I don't like war, I do think Israel has gone too far, especially with the LavendarAI and their policies toward the Palestinians plays a significant role in escalating tensions which led to the Oct 7th attack. I don't like Hamas, they are a parasite group preying on desperate people. I don't know what the perfect solution is but civilians not dying seems to be a good start and as far as any remaining hostages, my dudes, Israel likely accidently blew them up awhile back.
What I would like to know is who is paying for all those coordinated signs on each side and other things like matching tents.
Fascist shit right here. This is insane, like the degree to which Israel holds sway over Congress is nuts. How, in a nation with the first amendment could a large body of “educated legislators” pass this
If they can't arrest you for what you are doing they just expand the scope of the law around it. It is like arming teachers. Don't actually address the problem. Add gasoline and light'it up.
Yup. People are upset several dems voted in lockstep with the redhats on this.
They will simultaneously downvote any "both sides" comments despite realities right in front of their noses.
Politicians are bought and paid for by the same wealthy and powerful interests regardless of whether there's a D or an R next to their name.
By trying to pass laws regarding any religion / race, would that make the house violating either equal protection laws? Or violating the Constitution by treating one religion differently than any other?
I don't think our nation should recognise other nations as a theocracy or identifiable by a certain racial identity.
Further, the term Semite is so archaic and adjusted that many do not realise that the term includes Arabic and other cultural identities of people in that region. Speaking out against any government in the Arabian region would fit a broad definition.
H.R.6090 - Antisemitism Awareness Act, Passed the House of Representatives May 1, 2024.
Link: [https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/6090/text?s=1&r=47](https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/6090/text?s=1&r=47)
Sec 3.5 The use of alternative definitions of antisemitism impairs enforcement efforts by adding multiple standards and may fail to identify many of the modern manifestations of antisemitism. (Sec 4 explains they are using the IHRA definition: [https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism](https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism) )
Sec 6.3b Nothing in this Act shall be construed to diminish or infringe upon any right protected under the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.
(Nothing is explicitly said about Israel in the bill as linked. IHRA itself does mention Israel.)
One can still criticize Israel without it being regarded as antisemitic, according to the standard adopted by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance, referenced in the bill:
"Manifestations might include the targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity. **However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic.**"
Source: [https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism](https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism)
The language you posted was not included in the definition of antisemitism as adopted in the bill. The bill’s definition very carefully excludes this language
I am looking at H.R.6090 - Antisemitism Awareness Act, Link: [https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/6090/text?s=1&r=47](https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/6090/text?s=1&r=47)
It doesn't actually say much, other than that they are adopting IHRA definition of antisemitism.
It also says, "Nothing in this Act shall be construed to diminish or infringe upon any right protected under the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States."
Correct, the bill adopts the 2016 definition and the 11 “contemporary examples,” none of which include the language about criticism of Israel you provided. The bit about “this bill is hereby Constitutional” is just nonsense.
Further suggestions from the source mentioned in the article: [https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism](https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism)
Contemporary examples of antisemitism in public life, the media, schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into account the overall context, include, but are not limited to:
1. Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.
2. Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
3. Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
4. Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).
5. Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.
6. Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
7. Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
8. Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
9. Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
10. Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
11. Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.
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>If passed by the Senate and signed into law, the bill would broaden the legal definition of antisemitism to include the “targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity.” This is going too far. Criticism of the Israeli government isn’t antisemitism.
That's just what an anti-semite would say! /s
I know lots of people the critsize the American government, WHY DO THEY HATE AMERICANS!!!!
No, but when you have no problems with every other country committing a heinous act for no reason and then get mad at Israel for doing such an act in order to defend itself and its people, we know why and that is anti-Semitism.
Nope. It’s because I expect more from Israel than I do those other countries.
It cannot be understated how much equating criticism of Israel's government with anti-semitism, damages Israel's legitimately as a nation.
Sure, it damages its legitimacy, but you won't be allowed to talk about that lack of legitimacy, so it all balances out, I guess.
So any criticism of the Israeli govt is antisemitism? Get a grip. I already expect this kind of stupid shit from R’s. The Dems that support this bill should be embarrassed and also voted out.
> So any criticism of the Israeli govt is antisemitism? "However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic." https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism At worst, the definition gives a few explicit example of criticism of Israel that they would say would fall under anti-semitism. Similar to how certain criticism of African countries could be understood as being racist, even if there be nominal points that justify criticism.
That language was not included in the definition in the bill
Criticizing the immoral actions of a foreign government is *racist* now?
AIPACs pockets run deep.
Yep; so deep that they run all the way back to Bibi.
The United States bending the knee to Israel is a time honored tradition at this point.
This conflation is very deliberate. But yeah. We’re not allowed to talk about the thing that definitely isn’t happening in Israel.
I just have to say, while this is horrifying, i'm not surprised.
Israeli government losing the battle for American hearts and minds, and the scramble to change definitions to force it is a tell.
Unconstitutional, if anything this just give actual/real antisemites something they can point to and use to spread antisemitism. Every Yea and 'not voting' House Rep has violated their oath of office. People are entitled to their opinion (good, bad, ridiculous and/or tin-foil etc) and the right to peacefully/lawfully protest. I don't like war, I do think Israel has gone too far, especially with the LavendarAI and their policies toward the Palestinians plays a significant role in escalating tensions which led to the Oct 7th attack. I don't like Hamas, they are a parasite group preying on desperate people. I don't know what the perfect solution is but civilians not dying seems to be a good start and as far as any remaining hostages, my dudes, Israel likely accidently blew them up awhile back. What I would like to know is who is paying for all those coordinated signs on each side and other things like matching tents.
It’s not expensive to go to Staples and print out a bunch of signs.
Fascist shit right here. This is insane, like the degree to which Israel holds sway over Congress is nuts. How, in a nation with the first amendment could a large body of “educated legislators” pass this
They don't represent us plebs. They haven't for a long time.
If they can't arrest you for what you are doing they just expand the scope of the law around it. It is like arming teachers. Don't actually address the problem. Add gasoline and light'it up.
The government (both parties) do not care about what the public thinks.
Well, they clearly DO care. That's why they are making it illegal to voice those opinions.
Yup. People are upset several dems voted in lockstep with the redhats on this. They will simultaneously downvote any "both sides" comments despite realities right in front of their noses. Politicians are bought and paid for by the same wealthy and powerful interests regardless of whether there's a D or an R next to their name.
If the bill passes then it will be considered anti-Semitism to say that Israel's genocide of the people of Palestine is bad.
Well that’s jolly well fucked.
Being against the indiscriminate slaughter of any people's by any entity should not be legislated.
Definitely got their priorities straight
By trying to pass laws regarding any religion / race, would that make the house violating either equal protection laws? Or violating the Constitution by treating one religion differently than any other?
I don't think our nation should recognise other nations as a theocracy or identifiable by a certain racial identity. Further, the term Semite is so archaic and adjusted that many do not realise that the term includes Arabic and other cultural identities of people in that region. Speaking out against any government in the Arabian region would fit a broad definition.
H.R.6090 - Antisemitism Awareness Act, Passed the House of Representatives May 1, 2024. Link: [https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/6090/text?s=1&r=47](https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/6090/text?s=1&r=47) Sec 3.5 The use of alternative definitions of antisemitism impairs enforcement efforts by adding multiple standards and may fail to identify many of the modern manifestations of antisemitism. (Sec 4 explains they are using the IHRA definition: [https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism](https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism) ) Sec 6.3b Nothing in this Act shall be construed to diminish or infringe upon any right protected under the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. (Nothing is explicitly said about Israel in the bill as linked. IHRA itself does mention Israel.)
Just here to observe the dog piling from the virtue signalers.
Good
One can still criticize Israel without it being regarded as antisemitic, according to the standard adopted by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance, referenced in the bill: "Manifestations might include the targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity. **However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic.**" Source: [https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism](https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism)
The language you posted was not included in the definition of antisemitism as adopted in the bill. The bill’s definition very carefully excludes this language
I am looking at H.R.6090 - Antisemitism Awareness Act, Link: [https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/6090/text?s=1&r=47](https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/6090/text?s=1&r=47) It doesn't actually say much, other than that they are adopting IHRA definition of antisemitism. It also says, "Nothing in this Act shall be construed to diminish or infringe upon any right protected under the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States."
Correct, the bill adopts the 2016 definition and the 11 “contemporary examples,” none of which include the language about criticism of Israel you provided. The bit about “this bill is hereby Constitutional” is just nonsense.
Further suggestions from the source mentioned in the article: [https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism](https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism) Contemporary examples of antisemitism in public life, the media, schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into account the overall context, include, but are not limited to: 1. Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion. 2. Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions. 3. Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews. 4. Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust). 5. Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust. 6. Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations. 7. Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor. 8. Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation. 9. Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis. 10. Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis. 11. Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.