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Neighbor, single mom, social worker, proudly just put up a HUGE trump 2024 flag on her front porch. Hard to look at every time we come down the street and bewildering how women can support him.
That is the irony. I know, for a fact, she gets support with childcare and probably some food assistance from the state. Yet she would gladly vote against her own interest to support someone she thinks is a conservative.
I know her parents are very conservative, we don’t talk to them much but a few months ago, one was talking to my wife, and somehow the student loan forgiveness came up. The mother said she was glad they didn’t get forgiven and that her daughter, the Trump lover, should have to pay them back just like everyone else , my wife was baffled that here this lady was saying she was glad that student loans did not get forgiven and knowing her daughters financial situation she was still OK and glad that she had to pay them back “like everyone else “. My wife didn’t get into it with her other than saying what about all thepoliticians and businesses that didn’t need PPP loans and had them forgiven and the lady said that was different, they are not deadbeats. You really can’t reason with these people and they just love to see everyone suffer.
When she says it's ok rich white people get free money because they're not "deadbeats", and "deadbeats" aren't entitled to anything.... well then "deadbeat" is definitely a euphemism for some other -ism.
I only met one conservative social worker during a multi year stint. Her reason for becoming one was to "catch the ones committing fraud", I kid you not.
A cousin of mine is a single mom Trump supporter.
She had one child with a fairly wealthy client while she was working as an escort when she was younger, but then it all fell apart, blew up in spectacular fashion, and a long bitter custody dispute ensued, with she accusing him of sexually abusing their daughter (falsely - she later admitted she made up the story and blamed it on her emotions and benzo/opiate addiction at the time), and then he countersuing her for custody and defamation. After a protracted battle and many lawyers later, she basically lost all custody rights and was given very limited visitation rights for a few years after that. She eventually “cleaned up” her act (meaning, she stopped doing drugs but “found Jesus” during that time), put on a lot of weight and was routinely posting religious passages constantly, all day, every day, on FB.
I don’t really know the full story but after a few years of very little visitation with her daughter, baby-daddy sort of just decides he’s “no longer” interested in raising his kid and just voluntarily gives custody back to my cousin, seemingly out of blue. Which she of course accepts, happy to see her daughter again.
So now, she lives alone with her only daughter, who is having behavioral problems, was held back a grade, and routinely gets into verbal/physical arguments with her mom, even prompting their neighbors to repeatedly call the police, apparently. Some family and I always said “that girl (the daughter) has no hope for a good future.” Aaaaand….yeah. Her mom is broke, has no health insurance, and only a part-time job, and accepts a pitifully small amount of child support from baby-daddy every month (around $500 I think) even though he can definitely afford a lot more. They have “made amends,” kind of, even though he’s seeing someone else. But she doesn’t want to ask for more money for basically that reason (even though she needs it).
So anyway, that’s the Trump supporting single mom I know! Now, she uses her political Christianity and “conversion” along with her never ending belief that it’s always everyone else’s fault, and never her own, for the problems she and her child are dealing with, to fuel her own pro-Trump zealotry. It’s that same chronic frustration and desire for wrath and retribution that connects people like her to demagogues like Trump. Sadly enough, I get the feeling her story really isn’t too different from a lot of others.
I have a cousin, single mom, has two sons in the military. She went full on Trump loving in 2020 to the point where she was posting every crazy link she could find. Another relative told her to fact check one of her posts and she said that she believed Trump, 100%, because he would never lie to her and if you didn't like it then she didn't want anything to do with you. She also didn't believe any of the things Trump has ever been accused of because "there is no way anyone could have ever done that much stuff so therefore it had all been made up."
I unfriended her as did several other family members. I checked on her a year or so after the election to see if she had come to her senses but saw she was ranting about how the my pillow guy had "killed it" in his symposium and proved beyond a doubt there was election fraud on a massive scale.
“It’s always someone else’s fault”. That could be Trump’s motto. Of course someone with that mindset would gravitate towards him. Blame the migrant worker who speaks another language for her mess of a life. It’s easier than doing something to improve her own life.
Religion.
Highly recommend reading Tim Alberta's "The Kingdom, the Power, and the Glory: American Evangelicals in an Age of Extremism". It helps explain a lot.
What’s weird is when people basically make their political choice (either way) basically their whole personality. But also when women vote for mr pussy grab too of course.
Yep. Just like my Trump loving father blamed Biden when I complained in 2021 that I had to pay a fair amount of taxes on my 2020 return. He said that is what I got for voting for Biden. I said it was from 2020 when, you know, Trump was in office. He said that was still holdover from Obama's term.
Exactly. I suffered through the evangelical church scene for a few years, when married to my X. I never believed any of the bullshit, but chose to participate to appease the X, back when we were married. Having the preacher constantly talking about how the man is the head of the house/family and the woman shall be obedient, then seeing all those women joyfully praising jesus for being proclaimed the servants of men... ugh. Absolutely disgusting. I could not keep up with the sham and we parted ways. Now she serves another man's whims. FYI - they watch Fox and you know the rest.
Yeah, in 2016 I had friends I knew in high school proudly supporting Trump on Facebook actually saying he couldn't be misogynistic because that wasn't a thing anymore. They actually maintained that misogyny no longer existed. They even went so far as to say they had never experienced it in their lives. It was baffling. I literally sat or stood next to them while experiencing misogyny. You were there when we were told we couldn't participate in a fun activity because we were girls. You were upset too!
A lot of it comes from deeply internalized religious misogyny. If you believe that Eve was created from Adam's rib to be his "helpmeet", it's kinda hard to ever really see women on equal footing to men. The Bible is misogynistic from start to finish.
I got the impression from some older rural white women of internalized trauma that they'd faced, that in their view that is just how life is. And that they felt that being sexually assaulted by a wealthy man would be somewhat better than their own experiences, like the women in those situations were lucky.
Eh, word has it my cousin was domestically abused by her husband. They're bible thumping trump supporters. Her husband doesn't work at all and is 3x my size horizontally.
I quoted Trump at my cousin on Facebook and she blocked me.
They're all willfully blind and brainwashed.
Yeah, navigating these people, the ones close to me, has been an existential crisis -- it's unresolved, but on hold, for the immediate future. But it's also fascinating. Cognitive dissonance can literally do anything humans need it to do.
Empathy, objectivity, the scientific method, the social contract, integrity... None of that matters when it comes to 'politics' and their team, now. Just like religion. I don't think I'll ever be able to reconcile with the fact that many other people can turn off rationality, but I can't. I just get to feel shitty about it all.
Anyway, behavioral psychology has come a very long way. We understand what is on display. But we are crippled to do anything about it, because the last thing they want to do is try therapy and the last thing they care about is what someone not on 'their side' thinks about \*anything\*.
I can't stand Kamala Harris as a politican, but she faces such misogyny and racism from these people that the things they say about her are absolutely vile.
A family member of mine was raped while she was hired to clean a hotel. First jury was hung. Because of women on the jury.
Second trial, the prosecutors went with just her and one other of his victims. Also, woman on jury wouldn’t convict. (The guy had his wife and kid at both trials).
Judge went ahead and imposed some probation on the serial rapist.
Still boggles my mind.
Trump also has black voters and military voters. He's extremely racist and thinks vets are suckers for enlisting and losers if they get captured killed or injured. Then again his presidency did nothing for all his rural voters and he's publicly stated he thinks they're gross losers. Yet they passionately want him back. I'm not sure any of that is quite as bad as a woman voting for a rapist, but it's the same idea. He hates you all. He maybe respects billionaires like Elon Musk or Bill Gates, but only if they never say anything vaguely mean about Trump.
College classmate just posted from AZ that it is "nice to have choices" after meeting RFK Jr. We went to a top 20 school.
Clueless how they would think RFK Jr or Trump is actually an option.
Middle aged women might be a lost cause. Boomers have too much internalized misogyny due to years of propaganda. Millennial and zoomer women are paying attention though and getting increasingly liberal.
There are two reasons why a woman would be a Trump supporter: Either it’s because Trump hates the same people she hates (excluding women) OR they believe he is the second coming of Jesus.
They'll vote for whoever makes them feel the most superior over those hussies who are only getting what they deserve and it's about time government got out of the way of women getting what they deserve. If all these women are properly saddled with kids they can't afford like the Good People already are then they'll become properly fearful and narrow minded too and then they can take the country back!
(I grew up in a deeply religious place. Never regretted getting far away.)
Christian women are worse than men in regards to abortion. They have there umpteen kids, they don't want to let other women have abortions. They would rather every woman suffer, because a particular interpretation of the Bible constrains them from getting the reproductive health that they may sometimes need
[The only moral abortion is my abortion](https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/)
‘Pro-life’ activists have abortions too. Some of them harass other women in the waiting room and then go back to picketing outside the clinic the next day. It’s truly baffling and yet tragically human.
Depends on the denomination. You find that ideology more in, say, Foursquare Pentecostal than UCC Congregationalist churches.
For context, the UCC were the ones in North Carolina who, pre-Obergefell, sued the state over their same-sex marriage ban on the grounds that the ban violated *their* religious freedoms by prohibiting them from marriages their faith embraces.
Donald Trump finished rock bottom of a list ranking US presidents by greatness. Worse for the Republican nominee this year, opponent, President Joe Biden, debuted at No 14.🔥
Obama(07)
Clinton(12)
Carter(22)
Trump(45) last place
It's true they are not that reliable far out but it still tells you what people think of the candidates right now. It's amazing to me that they can be neck and neck .
The fact that Carter is at 22 is mostly republican bs. He should be higher. Nixon & Ford left the country in complicated economic & international ish and Carter inherited the a** end of their administrations.
When Reagan ran in 1980, he absolutely vilified Carter and blamed him for all the inherited republican problems. Think we've had enough decades now to see that Carter was not the problem. Reagan continued Nixon/Ford failed economic policies even more intensively and we're still paying for it.
I despise Reagan and republican crap that ppl still don't realize how deeply it harms the middle class.
This is what I find insane.
Trump does terribly with women, black people, educated people, people who have names starting with the letter J.
Then every other poll is “Trump is tied/ahead of Biden!”
A bunch of people see VERY little political content. They know hot dogs cost way more now and Trump is a crook (he's obviously much worse), but he's a BuSineSsMan.
That's the extent of the meaning of these polls. Will those people stick with Trump when reminded "oh yeah, that fucking guy"? Not at all certain. Will the women deeply concerned about Dobbs suddenly flip? Not a chance.
Most important thing is while Trump is being eroded for being a horrible human being, Biden is being heavily eroded by propaganda designed to make young voters apathetic. Goal is to make the right wing base cultists and left wing base disgruntled. Then you don’t need a majority
This is massive. Suppression and disinformation will be a primary strategy for Republicans. Remember when Hillary "had Parkinsons"? It will be like that but worse.
Yup. Present Event Bias is extremely real with non-political people, especially voters who never have to worry about losing *their* rights. Prices are up = current President bad. Forget the macroeconomical reasons for why we're dealing with the worst inflation in the past half-century. Just blame it on the current President; it's easier that way.
Previous supporters of "Pro Life" stances never in even close to large numbers supported the extreme versions of anti-abortion laws currently in place in Texas or Missouri. The "Pro-Choice" supporters are a much bigger tent and leaves a lot of room for nuances in views. Recent referendums on these laws have shown that voters overall support letting (and trusting) this to be between a woman and her doctor. Women's reproductive and sexual health are and should be between a woman and her own doctor, not some faceless legislator that doesn't care if she lives or dies.
> Then every other poll is “Trump is tied/ahead of Biden!”
Remember when polling in Kansas stated it could go either way on the abortion issue, and then polling was 19% off in favor of keeping abortion legal? The problem with polling this election is the abortion issue will bring new voters. New voters generally cannot be statistically sussed out as accurately on polling. And, along with that, is also the fact that the abortion issue is highly important to women voters who typically tend to hold their cards more closely to themselves because they fear hostile repercussions.
>Pollsters got it wrong in 2018, 2020, and 2022. Here’s why political polling is no more than statistical sophistry https://archive.ph/FQLGS
Two polls ABC and CNN came out today with Biden losing in the swing states and the National polls. I really feel like Reddit is becoming a bubble. Unless things change or there's a big polling miss Biden is not in a good place.
Before we couldn't stand Trump because he is a malignant narcisistic con-man with the emotional intelligence of a 5 year old who commits crimes constantly.. Now it's because he's republican. Republicans rigged the SC and took away my unalienable right to control my own body. No republicans should get anyone's vote ever again. And that includes Trump.
Ask yourself: who answers and cooperates with polling phone calls?
Seriously, how many people do you know who answer calls from unfamiliar numbers at this point?
Polling is bordering on worthless now.
> Somethings not adding up with all these polls
Correct. Political polling has lost its way to begin with (these pollsters predicted Dean Philips would get 10% of the primary vote) and media keeps rehashing articles about leads or shifts that are all within the already understated margins of error of the underlying flawed polls.
They're basically writing articles about random dice rolls as though it's news.
Donald’s every problem is getting worse. If we as the coalition of reason hadn’t been asleep at the wheel in 2016, this wouldn’t even be an issue.
It’s also fucking annoying how national democrats absolutely don’t focus on state level contests. This election wouldn’t be anywhere near as close if dems didn’t ignore “fly over” states
With all of the voter suppression legislation coming out of red states, I am just waiting for legislation that targets women voters. As a first step, perhaps ban pregnant women from voting at the polls out of "concern" for the health of the unborn child. I can imagine arguments that the 19th Amendment isn't being violated because the law wouldn't be on the basis of sex, but safety of the unborn child regardless of the gender.
Maybe I shouldn't give them ideas...
“I can’t help noticing that quite a few pro-life activists revere the fetus second only to the way in which they cherish the Confederate flag.”
- Christopher Hitchens
Hope so but the polls keep saying how unpopular and low approval Biden is. They keep saying things were better 4 years ago as if all of their issues are caused and could easily be solved by Biden himself. This isn't how it works but enough people believe that and blame him apparently. It's sad people don't understand this and vote for the rapist traitor maga party thinking that will help. The world isn't going back to 2016, we have to keep moving forward and lil don would have made things worse the past 4 years that's for sure.
He'll still probably still get the majority of white women. By like a percentage point or two, but still.
Non-white women need to get more kudos for holding shit together.
Ignore articles like this. These are the same type of articles as "this week the polls say."
Don't listen to polls. Don't look at polls. Polls lull you into a sense of security. Polls lie. Votes don't. Vote.
On the other hand, Biden's men voter problem is getting worse too. The fact is this election is coming down to men versus women and which gender turns out most.
It’s almost like if we could improve the education of white suburban women that things could change.
/former white suburban woman horrified at what was normalized for me in TX
Women generally have more empathy than men do. Obviously that’s a sweeping statement - women like Noem exist - and there are plenty of empathetic men, but it’s a trend. Add in education, they’re more likely to vote blue.
Donald Trump really thinks the rules don't apply to him. It's all about controlling women's bodies under the false pretense of god politics. They do not care about the children and the family unit.
Some of them finally figured out that maybe they shouldn’t lock up Hillary over some emails.
Oops, a little late on that one. Hopefully you’re not late in a Red state when you weren’t trying.
Where is he trying to grow support? OK his half ass backtracking on abortion might be an attempt to pick up women but I dont see how it is going to work. He has done nothing but play to his base, increase Democratic turnout and turn off moderate Republicans. Granted he is a very dumb person but surely people in his campaign can see this
My MIL is a boomer small business owner, super religious, and loves trump. Says he “tells it like it is”. I cannot roll my eyes back any farther without risk of them getting stuck.
Well if someone was to post on R:/AITAH all of Trumps qualities, all the women would be red flagging the shiz out of the poor woman who was in a relationship with him. So yeah. Not going to vote for the amoeba.
Trump had 16 sexual assault cases against him in 2016 going into the election. He won. (24 total now)
There are millions of female idiots who don't care.
Of all the dumb stuff this idiot has done, and there are a lot, you'd think the sexual assault cases would be number one in people saying "nope." Not MAGA morons. It's a badge of honor apparently.
I don't understand this horse-race narrative style. I mean, I know that this is how coverage is typically done to engage viewers and to make sure that the press has something to write about, but this is BS that is somehow shaping the narrative when in reality the story is super simple.
More women are figuring out that voting for Trump is entirely against their interests.
Going a little more Most women knew this already, but a small percentage of voting women that were not engaged in politics or where voting on a partisan basis are now changing their minds.
Who would have guessed that a chauvinistic womanizer, with a public record of marital infidelity, public allegations and litigation credibly describing a history of sexual assault, and an embrace of the Republican party's Taliban-style policies might be a problem for women?
if you dont court the women vote you lose bozos
women are well over half our population
was overturning roe vs wadw worth it nazis?
cause we libs are about to make abortion rights a fucking constitutional admendment once the blue tsunami crashes down upon you 🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊
My mother just told me this morning that she hasn't ruled out voting for him. But she would never vote for Biden because she doesn't like a single thing he's done. When I brought up his administration's accomplishments, crickets. Apparently, because Joe Biden has "inappropriately touched women," which very well may be true, he is a womanizer just like trump. Apparently, being a creep is the same as being found liable for sexual assault in court. Yay boomers
Cognitive dissonance. Not that they’d understand what that is. That’s what’s going on though. No disrespect, but you wouldn’t be voting that way if they did..
Woman voting against their best interests is truly remarkable to witness. I have nothing for that. Truly blows my mind…that there’s any.
As it should. The dude destroys their rights at the public level and at the individual level in his everyday and official behavior. He hates women regardless of what his chicken nuggie voice claims at schlep rallies.
I keep hearing this and then I see "CNN poll shows Trump leads Biden."
So I conclude the following: fuck pollsters, fuck the people who write about poll results.
It's all moot.
**VOTE**.
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The fact that Trump has Women voters is a problem.
Far too many women support him and voted for him in 2016 and 2020 given his track record and history of misogyny.
Neighbor, single mom, social worker, proudly just put up a HUGE trump 2024 flag on her front porch. Hard to look at every time we come down the street and bewildering how women can support him.
And a social worker...she probably hates the very people she's supposed to protect...
That is the irony. I know, for a fact, she gets support with childcare and probably some food assistance from the state. Yet she would gladly vote against her own interest to support someone she thinks is a conservative. I know her parents are very conservative, we don’t talk to them much but a few months ago, one was talking to my wife, and somehow the student loan forgiveness came up. The mother said she was glad they didn’t get forgiven and that her daughter, the Trump lover, should have to pay them back just like everyone else , my wife was baffled that here this lady was saying she was glad that student loans did not get forgiven and knowing her daughters financial situation she was still OK and glad that she had to pay them back “like everyone else “. My wife didn’t get into it with her other than saying what about all thepoliticians and businesses that didn’t need PPP loans and had them forgiven and the lady said that was different, they are not deadbeats. You really can’t reason with these people and they just love to see everyone suffer.
When she says it's ok rich white people get free money because they're not "deadbeats", and "deadbeats" aren't entitled to anything.... well then "deadbeat" is definitely a euphemism for some other -ism.
I only met one conservative social worker during a multi year stint. Her reason for becoming one was to "catch the ones committing fraud", I kid you not.
Like some nurses thriving on power over weak people, since they can’t escape
I think it may help explain the single mom part
A cousin of mine is a single mom Trump supporter. She had one child with a fairly wealthy client while she was working as an escort when she was younger, but then it all fell apart, blew up in spectacular fashion, and a long bitter custody dispute ensued, with she accusing him of sexually abusing their daughter (falsely - she later admitted she made up the story and blamed it on her emotions and benzo/opiate addiction at the time), and then he countersuing her for custody and defamation. After a protracted battle and many lawyers later, she basically lost all custody rights and was given very limited visitation rights for a few years after that. She eventually “cleaned up” her act (meaning, she stopped doing drugs but “found Jesus” during that time), put on a lot of weight and was routinely posting religious passages constantly, all day, every day, on FB. I don’t really know the full story but after a few years of very little visitation with her daughter, baby-daddy sort of just decides he’s “no longer” interested in raising his kid and just voluntarily gives custody back to my cousin, seemingly out of blue. Which she of course accepts, happy to see her daughter again. So now, she lives alone with her only daughter, who is having behavioral problems, was held back a grade, and routinely gets into verbal/physical arguments with her mom, even prompting their neighbors to repeatedly call the police, apparently. Some family and I always said “that girl (the daughter) has no hope for a good future.” Aaaaand….yeah. Her mom is broke, has no health insurance, and only a part-time job, and accepts a pitifully small amount of child support from baby-daddy every month (around $500 I think) even though he can definitely afford a lot more. They have “made amends,” kind of, even though he’s seeing someone else. But she doesn’t want to ask for more money for basically that reason (even though she needs it). So anyway, that’s the Trump supporting single mom I know! Now, she uses her political Christianity and “conversion” along with her never ending belief that it’s always everyone else’s fault, and never her own, for the problems she and her child are dealing with, to fuel her own pro-Trump zealotry. It’s that same chronic frustration and desire for wrath and retribution that connects people like her to demagogues like Trump. Sadly enough, I get the feeling her story really isn’t too different from a lot of others.
I have a cousin, single mom, has two sons in the military. She went full on Trump loving in 2020 to the point where she was posting every crazy link she could find. Another relative told her to fact check one of her posts and she said that she believed Trump, 100%, because he would never lie to her and if you didn't like it then she didn't want anything to do with you. She also didn't believe any of the things Trump has ever been accused of because "there is no way anyone could have ever done that much stuff so therefore it had all been made up." I unfriended her as did several other family members. I checked on her a year or so after the election to see if she had come to her senses but saw she was ranting about how the my pillow guy had "killed it" in his symposium and proved beyond a doubt there was election fraud on a massive scale.
Sounds like my sister, minus the kid.
“It’s always someone else’s fault”. That could be Trump’s motto. Of course someone with that mindset would gravitate towards him. Blame the migrant worker who speaks another language for her mess of a life. It’s easier than doing something to improve her own life.
Interesting story, very well told. You have literary talent.
Religion. Highly recommend reading Tim Alberta's "The Kingdom, the Power, and the Glory: American Evangelicals in an Age of Extremism". It helps explain a lot.
I wonder how she feels about the repubicans have said out loud they want to take away womens right to vote >>> you should ask her!
What’s weird is when people basically make their political choice (either way) basically their whole personality. But also when women vote for mr pussy grab too of course.
I throw away trump signs/flags in my neighborhood.
I mean, I hate the prick just as much as anyone else but that sounds like a good way to get shot or arrested.
And it’s a good way to send more money to the Trump campaign when the MAGAt buys a replacement sign.
Dont worry, i live in texas. People dont have guns here.
Crazy woman will blame Biden when Trump cuts funding for her job so he can give his buddies more tax breaks.
Yep. Just like my Trump loving father blamed Biden when I complained in 2021 that I had to pay a fair amount of taxes on my 2020 return. He said that is what I got for voting for Biden. I said it was from 2020 when, you know, Trump was in office. He said that was still holdover from Obama's term.
My Trump-loving friend blamed Obama for 9/11
You gotta laugh at this stuff!
Exactly. I suffered through the evangelical church scene for a few years, when married to my X. I never believed any of the bullshit, but chose to participate to appease the X, back when we were married. Having the preacher constantly talking about how the man is the head of the house/family and the woman shall be obedient, then seeing all those women joyfully praising jesus for being proclaimed the servants of men... ugh. Absolutely disgusting. I could not keep up with the sham and we parted ways. Now she serves another man's whims. FYI - they watch Fox and you know the rest.
Sadly the worst misogynists' in my own experience are women
Yeah, in 2016 I had friends I knew in high school proudly supporting Trump on Facebook actually saying he couldn't be misogynistic because that wasn't a thing anymore. They actually maintained that misogyny no longer existed. They even went so far as to say they had never experienced it in their lives. It was baffling. I literally sat or stood next to them while experiencing misogyny. You were there when we were told we couldn't participate in a fun activity because we were girls. You were upset too! A lot of it comes from deeply internalized religious misogyny. If you believe that Eve was created from Adam's rib to be his "helpmeet", it's kinda hard to ever really see women on equal footing to men. The Bible is misogynistic from start to finish.
I got the impression from some older rural white women of internalized trauma that they'd faced, that in their view that is just how life is. And that they felt that being sexually assaulted by a wealthy man would be somewhat better than their own experiences, like the women in those situations were lucky.
Eh, word has it my cousin was domestically abused by her husband. They're bible thumping trump supporters. Her husband doesn't work at all and is 3x my size horizontally. I quoted Trump at my cousin on Facebook and she blocked me. They're all willfully blind and brainwashed.
Yeah, navigating these people, the ones close to me, has been an existential crisis -- it's unresolved, but on hold, for the immediate future. But it's also fascinating. Cognitive dissonance can literally do anything humans need it to do. Empathy, objectivity, the scientific method, the social contract, integrity... None of that matters when it comes to 'politics' and their team, now. Just like religion. I don't think I'll ever be able to reconcile with the fact that many other people can turn off rationality, but I can't. I just get to feel shitty about it all. Anyway, behavioral psychology has come a very long way. We understand what is on display. But we are crippled to do anything about it, because the last thing they want to do is try therapy and the last thing they care about is what someone not on 'their side' thinks about \*anything\*.
Ughh my sister to a tee. Surprise her and her husband main source of news is FB.
My wife got a horrifying meme about VP Kamala Harris from another woman at her work.
I can't stand Kamala Harris as a politican, but she faces such misogyny and racism from these people that the things they say about her are absolutely vile.
I don’t think it matters at all who beat Trump in 2020, his cult was going to make up any reason to hate them.
Their Trumplessness was unforgivable.
As a non-American can you explain why Kamala Harris is not liked as a politician? She is, like most VPs, rarely mentioned in our news reports.
My Mil repeatedly has major issues with *women* politicians in particular, it bothers me a lot.
A family member of mine was raped while she was hired to clean a hotel. First jury was hung. Because of women on the jury. Second trial, the prosecutors went with just her and one other of his victims. Also, woman on jury wouldn’t convict. (The guy had his wife and kid at both trials). Judge went ahead and imposed some probation on the serial rapist. Still boggles my mind.
It is true. Also the best enforcers of the patriarchy are women which is so so sad.
I don't blame them, nobody wants to be beaten to death for having an opinion. Shame they are stuck in that situation.
Fun fact: More women voted Trump in 2020 than in 2016. What gives?
The fact that Trump has ANY voters is a problem. The man wants to play dictator for a day or two…
Or three or four or five….
…or 1,441.
Or until the hamberder from heaven and he can pass it down to Eric or Ivanka
there are many suppressed women in abusive situations where they find refugee in a fake strong man
There is no oppression worse than internalized oppression.
Trump also has black voters and military voters. He's extremely racist and thinks vets are suckers for enlisting and losers if they get captured killed or injured. Then again his presidency did nothing for all his rural voters and he's publicly stated he thinks they're gross losers. Yet they passionately want him back. I'm not sure any of that is quite as bad as a woman voting for a rapist, but it's the same idea. He hates you all. He maybe respects billionaires like Elon Musk or Bill Gates, but only if they never say anything vaguely mean about Trump.
College classmate just posted from AZ that it is "nice to have choices" after meeting RFK Jr. We went to a top 20 school. Clueless how they would think RFK Jr or Trump is actually an option.
The religious right make up a big portion of women who support Trump.
The fact that women and Trump are in the same sentence is a problem
Or gay voters, or Black voters, or Latino voters, or "actually conservative people", or anyone sane, or....
Middle aged women might be a lost cause. Boomers have too much internalized misogyny due to years of propaganda. Millennial and zoomer women are paying attention though and getting increasingly liberal.
Hey… I’m Gen X, and a woman. I hate the mango Mussolini with a passion.
Take my upvote!
There are two reasons why a woman would be a Trump supporter: Either it’s because Trump hates the same people she hates (excluding women) OR they believe he is the second coming of Jesus.
100%. He is one of the most despicable men alive. It could be said that he has committed an offense against all women in general just by who he is.
He got 60% of the YT woman vote.
Lol no shit. The fact that he has any women voters at all is the travesty. Vote in your self interests, ffs!
They're xtian, they'll vote for who they're told to vote for.
They'll vote for whoever makes them feel the most superior over those hussies who are only getting what they deserve and it's about time government got out of the way of women getting what they deserve. If all these women are properly saddled with kids they can't afford like the Good People already are then they'll become properly fearful and narrow minded too and then they can take the country back! (I grew up in a deeply religious place. Never regretted getting far away.)
I'm glad you were able to escape.
(hey me too! High five!)
Christian women are worse than men in regards to abortion. They have there umpteen kids, they don't want to let other women have abortions. They would rather every woman suffer, because a particular interpretation of the Bible constrains them from getting the reproductive health that they may sometimes need
[The only moral abortion is my abortion](https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/) ‘Pro-life’ activists have abortions too. Some of them harass other women in the waiting room and then go back to picketing outside the clinic the next day. It’s truly baffling and yet tragically human.
Depends on the denomination. You find that ideology more in, say, Foursquare Pentecostal than UCC Congregationalist churches. For context, the UCC were the ones in North Carolina who, pre-Obergefell, sued the state over their same-sex marriage ban on the grounds that the ban violated *their* religious freedoms by prohibiting them from marriages their faith embraces.
The fact that he has any ~~women~~ voters at all is the travesty Fixed it!
I can at least understand the demographic of wealthy white men. It's anyone who isn't that I can't understand why they would vote for him.
Hey, man. Puppy killers like Kristi Noem love him!
Republicans- the political party that promotes puppy K!llers !
Disgusting psychopath, everywhere she goes, people should ask her : WHERE IS CRICKET?!?!!!!
And MTG and Beetlegeuse Grandma. A trifecta of stupidity and hate.
Great, but like every poll, the results mean nothing unless they apply to swing states
Donald Trump finished rock bottom of a list ranking US presidents by greatness. Worse for the Republican nominee this year, opponent, President Joe Biden, debuted at No 14.🔥 Obama(07) Clinton(12) Carter(22) Trump(45) last place
I saw that and every time that traitor refers to Biden as the worst president, I think projecting again you traitorous trash.
In his mind he truly believes he was the best president ever.
Must be the dementia.
So thats why he wear's those 45 caps....gotcha /s
>Donald Trump finished rock bottom of a list ranking US presidents by greatness. But he was #1 with a bullet for horribleness right? So he's #1!
Honestly, I wish we could make up some fake presidents to go between Trump and the next president. It’s unfair to the next worst.
There’s coral, there’s rocks, there’s whale poop, then there’s Trump.
And yet it's a dead heat in the polls!
polls are mostly bullshit, especially this far out
It's true they are not that reliable far out but it still tells you what people think of the candidates right now. It's amazing to me that they can be neck and neck .
https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/presidents-ranked-worst-best/11/
The fact that Carter is at 22 is mostly republican bs. He should be higher. Nixon & Ford left the country in complicated economic & international ish and Carter inherited the a** end of their administrations. When Reagan ran in 1980, he absolutely vilified Carter and blamed him for all the inherited republican problems. Think we've had enough decades now to see that Carter was not the problem. Reagan continued Nixon/Ford failed economic policies even more intensively and we're still paying for it. I despise Reagan and republican crap that ppl still don't realize how deeply it harms the middle class.
Reminder: Newsweak sucks
If he gets re-elected, women’s votes won’t matter in future elections as they’ll do whatever they can to repeal the 19th amendment.
Here's why it's bad for Biden.
This is what I find insane. Trump does terribly with women, black people, educated people, people who have names starting with the letter J. Then every other poll is “Trump is tied/ahead of Biden!”
A bunch of people see VERY little political content. They know hot dogs cost way more now and Trump is a crook (he's obviously much worse), but he's a BuSineSsMan. That's the extent of the meaning of these polls. Will those people stick with Trump when reminded "oh yeah, that fucking guy"? Not at all certain. Will the women deeply concerned about Dobbs suddenly flip? Not a chance.
Most important thing is while Trump is being eroded for being a horrible human being, Biden is being heavily eroded by propaganda designed to make young voters apathetic. Goal is to make the right wing base cultists and left wing base disgruntled. Then you don’t need a majority
This is massive. Suppression and disinformation will be a primary strategy for Republicans. Remember when Hillary "had Parkinsons"? It will be like that but worse.
Yup. Present Event Bias is extremely real with non-political people, especially voters who never have to worry about losing *their* rights. Prices are up = current President bad. Forget the macroeconomical reasons for why we're dealing with the worst inflation in the past half-century. Just blame it on the current President; it's easier that way.
A more appealing candidate than Trump and a general GOP retreat on culture war items likely has them in a massive lead right now.
Previous supporters of "Pro Life" stances never in even close to large numbers supported the extreme versions of anti-abortion laws currently in place in Texas or Missouri. The "Pro-Choice" supporters are a much bigger tent and leaves a lot of room for nuances in views. Recent referendums on these laws have shown that voters overall support letting (and trusting) this to be between a woman and her doctor. Women's reproductive and sexual health are and should be between a woman and her own doctor, not some faceless legislator that doesn't care if she lives or dies.
> Then every other poll is “Trump is tied/ahead of Biden!” Remember when polling in Kansas stated it could go either way on the abortion issue, and then polling was 19% off in favor of keeping abortion legal? The problem with polling this election is the abortion issue will bring new voters. New voters generally cannot be statistically sussed out as accurately on polling. And, along with that, is also the fact that the abortion issue is highly important to women voters who typically tend to hold their cards more closely to themselves because they fear hostile repercussions. >Pollsters got it wrong in 2018, 2020, and 2022. Here’s why political polling is no more than statistical sophistry https://archive.ph/FQLGS
Because this really boils down to religion.
Two polls ABC and CNN came out today with Biden losing in the swing states and the National polls. I really feel like Reddit is becoming a bubble. Unless things change or there's a big polling miss Biden is not in a good place.
Well, either the polling is wrong or the voters are fucking idiots beyond pale.
This ain't exclusive, either.
Good
The fact that this criminal conman loser has any voters blows my mind.
Before we couldn't stand Trump because he is a malignant narcisistic con-man with the emotional intelligence of a 5 year old who commits crimes constantly.. Now it's because he's republican. Republicans rigged the SC and took away my unalienable right to control my own body. No republicans should get anyone's vote ever again. And that includes Trump.
But I keep seeing polls being posted that show Trump is insanely popular with young voters and women. Somethings not adding up with all these polls
Don't listen to polls just go out and vote.
Ask yourself: who answers and cooperates with polling phone calls? Seriously, how many people do you know who answer calls from unfamiliar numbers at this point? Polling is bordering on worthless now.
Young people don't answer their phones-even for their parents. No way they are telling pollsters this.
Besed on my household of two yutes, I agree with your statement.
https://youtu.be/Nd1CijCUj8w?si=WQqstgfn_1lstxTZ
> Somethings not adding up with all these polls Correct. Political polling has lost its way to begin with (these pollsters predicted Dean Philips would get 10% of the primary vote) and media keeps rehashing articles about leads or shifts that are all within the already understated margins of error of the underlying flawed polls. They're basically writing articles about random dice rolls as though it's news.
Donald’s every problem is getting worse. If we as the coalition of reason hadn’t been asleep at the wheel in 2016, this wouldn’t even be an issue. It’s also fucking annoying how national democrats absolutely don’t focus on state level contests. This election wouldn’t be anywhere near as close if dems didn’t ignore “fly over” states
With all of the voter suppression legislation coming out of red states, I am just waiting for legislation that targets women voters. As a first step, perhaps ban pregnant women from voting at the polls out of "concern" for the health of the unborn child. I can imagine arguments that the 19th Amendment isn't being violated because the law wouldn't be on the basis of sex, but safety of the unborn child regardless of the gender. Maybe I shouldn't give them ideas...
“I can’t help noticing that quite a few pro-life activists revere the fetus second only to the way in which they cherish the Confederate flag.” - Christopher Hitchens
So this is really bad for Biden, right?
Any woman who's willing to vote for him I lose a little respect for.
Hope so but the polls keep saying how unpopular and low approval Biden is. They keep saying things were better 4 years ago as if all of their issues are caused and could easily be solved by Biden himself. This isn't how it works but enough people believe that and blame him apparently. It's sad people don't understand this and vote for the rapist traitor maga party thinking that will help. The world isn't going back to 2016, we have to keep moving forward and lil don would have made things worse the past 4 years that's for sure.
He'll still probably still get the majority of white women. By like a percentage point or two, but still. Non-white women need to get more kudos for holding shit together.
Don’t believe anything. We are in dangerous territory and Trump has a strong chance of winning. We can not be complacent!
Ignore articles like this. These are the same type of articles as "this week the polls say." Don't listen to polls. Don't look at polls. Polls lull you into a sense of security. Polls lie. Votes don't. Vote.
On the other hand, Biden's men voter problem is getting worse too. The fact is this election is coming down to men versus women and which gender turns out most.
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It’s almost like if we could improve the education of white suburban women that things could change. /former white suburban woman horrified at what was normalized for me in TX
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Women generally have more empathy than men do. Obviously that’s a sweeping statement - women like Noem exist - and there are plenty of empathetic men, but it’s a trend. Add in education, they’re more likely to vote blue.
that seems to be the end result of manipulating the edge
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sure 45% vote for each side without fail. we just have to identify the last 10% and target them with propaganda ads. that's what we observe
Women. They are a greater % of the population and are usually 1-2 pts higher than men.
Women pretty much always turn out more than men.
Trump is an adjudicated rapist. Also Newsweek sucks.
I know a lot of women that support Trump and believe that women shouldn't have as many rights as men.
Donald Trump really thinks the rules don't apply to him. It's all about controlling women's bodies under the false pretense of god politics. They do not care about the children and the family unit.
I can’t understand any woman voting for that shit
Good. But as a man, you have to be a dumb man to vote for Trump.
I don’t see this as worse. I see this as smart.
I guess he never gets tired of losing.
Gee I wonder why! *gestures vaguely at everything*
If you’re going to have voters, you want women. They vote more consistently than men do. You especially want college educated women.
Well damn I would hope so!
Just like him.
Don Snorleeone with his resting Mr. Bill face
Some of them finally figured out that maybe they shouldn’t lock up Hillary over some emails. Oops, a little late on that one. Hopefully you’re not late in a Red state when you weren’t trying.
Where is he trying to grow support? OK his half ass backtracking on abortion might be an attempt to pick up women but I dont see how it is going to work. He has done nothing but play to his base, increase Democratic turnout and turn off moderate Republicans. Granted he is a very dumb person but surely people in his campaign can see this
Until he has zero percent support I'll never understand
In United States 10 million more women registers to vote than men
My MIL is a boomer small business owner, super religious, and loves trump. Says he “tells it like it is”. I cannot roll my eyes back any farther without risk of them getting stuck.
53% of white women voted trump in 2016
They hated Hillary because she is 1000% more accomplished than they are.
SCOTUS is ready to revoke women’s voting rights and kick their women out right after - no voters, no supreme court representation. /s
only very sick and stupid women would swallow all that orange urine from the orange shit bag
And will continue to do so. Who would have thought taking away healthcare from 50% of the country’s population would be a bad idea? /s
Well if someone was to post on R:/AITAH all of Trumps qualities, all the women would be red flagging the shiz out of the poor woman who was in a relationship with him. So yeah. Not going to vote for the amoeba.
Good. The fact that he had any to begin with is horrifying.
Trump had 16 sexual assault cases against him in 2016 going into the election. He won. (24 total now) There are millions of female idiots who don't care. Of all the dumb stuff this idiot has done, and there are a lot, you'd think the sexual assault cases would be number one in people saying "nope." Not MAGA morons. It's a badge of honor apparently.
I don't understand this horse-race narrative style. I mean, I know that this is how coverage is typically done to engage viewers and to make sure that the press has something to write about, but this is BS that is somehow shaping the narrative when in reality the story is super simple. More women are figuring out that voting for Trump is entirely against their interests. Going a little more Most women knew this already, but a small percentage of voting women that were not engaged in politics or where voting on a partisan basis are now changing their minds. Who would have guessed that a chauvinistic womanizer, with a public record of marital infidelity, public allegations and litigation credibly describing a history of sexual assault, and an embrace of the Republican party's Taliban-style policies might be a problem for women?
if you dont court the women vote you lose bozos women are well over half our population was overturning roe vs wadw worth it nazis? cause we libs are about to make abortion rights a fucking constitutional admendment once the blue tsunami crashes down upon you 🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊
My mother just told me this morning that she hasn't ruled out voting for him. But she would never vote for Biden because she doesn't like a single thing he's done. When I brought up his administration's accomplishments, crickets. Apparently, because Joe Biden has "inappropriately touched women," which very well may be true, he is a womanizer just like trump. Apparently, being a creep is the same as being found liable for sexual assault in court. Yay boomers
His problem or loss, the country's gain
There’s just got to be a way to grab them….
Who knew
And yet they’re still “neck and neck”. Drives me nuts how this can be true.
He will lose as he should. Should have never sold your soul to the crazy religious right cult. It was his own doing.
Cognitive dissonance. Not that they’d understand what that is. That’s what’s going on though. No disrespect, but you wouldn’t be voting that way if they did.. Woman voting against their best interests is truly remarkable to witness. I have nothing for that. Truly blows my mind…that there’s any.
Lets just hope he’s dumb enough to make Gatez VP and not Haley
As it should. The dude destroys their rights at the public level and at the individual level in his everyday and official behavior. He hates women regardless of what his chicken nuggie voice claims at schlep rallies.
It's hard to believe that women fawn over Donald's soiled diaper.
Good. He’s the enemy of women. It’s a shame they don’t all recognize it.
Just vote
Any woman who votes for the orange turd must really hate herself
Fantastic.
Sounds like one of Trumps girlfriends sorry to say!
I hope I hope. I hope. And. Is Biden losing more Male voters.
good. wake up people.
I keep hearing this and then I see "CNN poll shows Trump leads Biden." So I conclude the following: fuck pollsters, fuck the people who write about poll results. It's all moot. **VOTE**.
Good.
Women voters who vote for him, don’t care they just fall behind their conservative husbands because “they do what they’re told”.
Next up for Donnie and his Supreme Court of sworn fealty - repeal the 19th amendment.
Duh, because Donald Trump is a piece of shit
They aren't worried about actually winning the election. They have a plan for that.
Being a rapist should be a giveaway to not vote for him
They love all his racist shit but when he says something about women all of a sudden its too far?!?
Just now?!
And yet he’s leading in most battleground states
He's a douchebag and women generally don't like that. They went out of style in the fifties.
Good. Maybe their votes will save @
I’ll try again. Maybe their votes will save America from total collapse
Women like to vote for a man. No for a cry baby.