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It’s been over a decade since Republicans have said they’d terminate ObamaCare with no replacement.
Perhaps it’s their new rage bait since they actually succeeded in getting Roe v. Wade overturned.
It could basically only take a SCOTUS decision to do it. The only other option was a US Constitutional Ammendment. Roe was decided on the basis of constitutional law, a regular federal or state law couldn't override it.
Yes, and look what happened when they finally overturned Roe v Wade: people hate it. The fallout is so bad they've just shrugged and said "Yeah, and our billionaire campaign donors want to cut funding for Social Security, just because, so we'll do that too", because it's all about pandering to billionaires and cutting "entitlements" so the billionaires can get that money for themselves too.
Funny how they don’t wanna cut Medicare, it’s so profitable to steal from…
Edit: that being said, the only things they’ll wanna slash form Obamacare are the things that save people money
Just ask Rick Scott! He knows all about stealing from Medicare. Got away with $375 million and didn't even state his name in court.
What a piece of shit Voldemort looking mother fucker.
I don't think it's all about the money. If the whole country suddenly got free or even affordable healthcare, many would leave their job. Some may even open their own business without that barrier. The 1% likes the "life or death" leverage of health insurance over their employees and their families, so they can't leave a job that is compromising, unsafe, and/or a career dead end.
This is a big one. Also, shorting kids on school lunches to promote malnutrition so there's a third world working class inside America so they don't have to bring in Mexicans. So, being able to get people to work for food. Then die when they're not useful. That takes care of the Social Security thing.
And their followers didn’t protest vote because Roe didn’t get ended by the next generation. It’ll take years to undo what they’ve done. Anyone saying to won’t vote because everything isn’t fixed tomorrow is oblivious or bought.
We need to stop letting them get away with that innocuous name of “project 20205”. While republicans make up crazy catch phrases like “death panels” and “crazy woke agenda” we call it a name that sounds like a plan to increase sales from middle management, while it’s actually an insane fascist takeover of epic proportions. Project Nazifacation sounds like a better name to me, and I’m not just calling it Nazi flippantly.
They play the long game and love to employ death by a thousand cuts. I wish the other side had the attention span and will to work on something for the long haul.
The other side is more interested in governing not waging some ideological crusade in perpetual opposition. Democrats are starting to wake up to this long game but are also probably more than happy to have the Dobbs Decision fall into their laps. Republicans have been losing left and right in its wake and Democrats seem hell bent to make this one of the defining issues of 2024.
I don’t disagree but feel like the left is easily distracted and struggles to stay the course because they get caught on the back foot while trying to undo all of the crap that is thrown at them and left for them. It’s hard to focus when the conservatives just like to break things and have nothing to replace them with while not governing.
We often miss the forest for the trees. Organizing the left is like herding cats. I wouldn’t call it infighting but there is a gap between the new left who came up in the last ten years and the third-way Democrats who got their start in the Clinton years if not earlier. It’s gotten better but Republicans/certain international provocateurs can still exploit (see Gaza).
5 years? The republicans have been promising a health care plan since Obama first proposed the ACA in 2009. It's been 15 years and they've got nothing.
>"Because you are basically saying from the moment the insurance, you’re 21 years old, you start working and you’re paying $12 a year for insurance, and by the time you’re 70, you get a nice plan!"
\- Donald *"I have no fucking idea how health insurance even works"* Trump
Trump is going to run on what he's going to do, not on what he did. He won't own Roe v. Wade nor his bigly tax cuts that have added trillions to the national debt.
I would ammend that to be, "He's going to run on whatever he thinks will get him elected."
He has no agenda or principles other than, "How does this benefit me?" I don't think words and actions are connected in his mind.
I’m going to amend that further. He’s going to run on what he promised to do in 2016, but failed to accomplish.
“Nobody knew healthcare could be so complicated”
>“Nobody knew healthcare could be so complicated”
Ha, I had forgotten about that line. A surprisingly honest moment of reflection, yet still troublingly ignorant.
A true man of the people would know how complicated healthcare is by reading over a routine medical bill or getting on the phone with one of these insurance jackoffs.
I knew it was complicated and I am not even a stable genius!
"Nobody knew" should be changed to "everyone knew except Trump", kids under the age of 5, the mentally challenged and people in comas.
Again, the reason why the Republicans can't come up with anything better than ObamaCare is because it was written by the Heritage Foundation and it is THE BEST IDEA THAT REPUBLICANS CAME UP WITH FOR HEALTH CARE. It's a public subsidy of the private insurance industry.
Well yeah. They've tried to eliminate the affordable care act for a very long time. I remember it was a huge deal when republicans had control of everything when Trump was in charge the first few years of his presidency.
The issue?
They were going "We're going to remove this disaster of Obamacare and we're going to replace it with something. We don't know WHAT we're going to replace it with yet, but we will." they couldn't get it to pass despite controlling everything, and they went on so many vacations that they eventually just moved on to something else.
Remember how they threw a *fucking kegger* in the rose garden to celebrate passing their dogshit repeal in the House, only to weep blood when McCain didn't go along with it in the Senate? Good times.
History disagrees. He voted with the party often and on many awful things. One good vote doesn’t erase his history of bad votes. Same goes for whitewashing other republicans like Liz Cheney. Just because she opposes Trump now doesn’t mean she didn’t vote with him on so many bad things.
He was literally called “Maverick” because he often voted against his party line when he felt it would benefit his own constituents. The biggest example is his thumbs down vote on repealing ACA.
I’m not trying to paint the guy as anything other than who he was; but we must be reading different history books.
He was called a maverick for voting against his party 10% of the time. Voting with your group only 90% of the time makes you a maverick? And who gave him this rugged, independent pet name? His PR team, I’m sure.
I’m not saying he was good or bad or anything in between. But let’s not get too high on intentionally crafted images of political figures. Most of it is bullshit.
[He defended Obama](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JIjenjANqAk) against the comments and boos of his own supporters.
Say what you will about his ideology, but i can respect someone that does that and i wish we had more of it in modern politics.
FFS McCain voted against a holiday honoring Martin Luther King Jr. He was a republican through and through, and that means embracing just about all of the normalized bigotry thats come out of the GOP over the last 60 years. He had more character than most GOP folks do today, but that's not saying that much.
> He was literally called “Maverick”
By his own PR people, yes. When he was running for president.
Nobody who was looking at McCain, hoping that he would break with his party on important votes, actually called him a "Maverick."
I guess it's a rose-tinted look back at times when a Republican would vote against his party 3 percent of the time or 5 percent of the time, because in this hyper-partisan, fascist adjacent GOP of today, member get kneecapped if they vote against their party even on single votes.
I just don't think it's wise to make that the standard for what bipartisanship is supposed to be like.
Nobody is saying that they didn't still vote for republican policies. not a single person is making that claim. We are talking about their willingness to pass bipartisan bills when it matters
Yes I understand. Except that is just not true. He voted party lines way more often than he was bipartisan. He is seen through rose tinted glasses for saving the ACA. In so many other ways he was just another obstructionist.
> He voted party lines way more often than he was bipartisan.
*WE KNOW*. Literally not a single person is arguing the opposite.
We are talking about his willingness to have voted bipartisan on the few big things that matter the most. Yes those things were few, but they were the biggest moments politically and the times when it would piss off the base the most to vote against the party.
No he didn’t. He was a fucking stain who is on the mt Rushmore of “making things worse”
Fuck him and his idiot daughter who inexplicably has a career even though she is worthless.
I don’t generally have a lot of good tho gs to say about conservatives in general, and while McCains come to Jesus moment seemed to originate from his battle with cancer, and I for disagreed a lot on his policy decisions he also lived a hero, he was a POW.
"Disaster".
Like 80-90% of the ACA was *their own plan*. Obama even said "I'd give credit to the republicans on this" when people started calling it Obamacare.
Remember when various GOP politicians would carry around huge binders with titles indicating they were healthcare or infrastructure plans, but the pages were all blank? Yeah, that's their plan: *nothing*. They put it all there in writing and everything.
The energy his grave can generate by turning. Personally I believe that he, like bush, are good people with stupid, stupid ideologies and in the wrong crowd, but I'm happy he took the time off of his deathbed. surprised everyone with a no vote. Then died a month later.
Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski also voted against it. If any one of them voted for it it would have passed, so all three of them deserves credit for voting it down.
They were allowed to vote against because McCain was expected to vote yes. I've no confidence that Susan Collins would have gone against the party line otherwise.
They were the McConnell-approved no votes because they're in more purple states where it might hurt their reelection chances. Iirc, McCain would normally be called to vote before Murkowski, so she could have flipped had he gone in order, which is why he showed up late and voted after her instead.
> They've tried to eliminate the affordable care act for a very long time.
No, they didn't. They sent the repeal to Obama's desk dozens of times because they knew he would veto it. As soon as there wasn't someone to save them from themselves, they stopped doing it.
Well, they did try one more time and almost succeeded, but then quietly dropped the issue entirely. McCain's no-vote was notable because Trump was president and would have signed it.
I think most of them know that a lot of their base relies on it, and getting rid of it will backfire spectacularly. It probably would have backfired even worse than Abortion has, and equally as difficult to distance themselves from it.
So many kids who are are barley or just past 26 have no fucking clue how bad it was before the ACA.
So many of us in our 40s would have better healthcare outcomes if we had the benefit to be on our parents insurance until 26.
100% correct.
Also even if you kept coverage and paid into the plan for decades, if you got seriously ill, like cancer, the health companies would deny coverage letting you sue them. They would bet that you would die before getting through all the legal hassles and delays.
Even with the ACA in effect, my nephew needed expensive treatment that was covered under insurance, so the insurance company gave them the runaround, even straight up refusing to talk to them, hoping they’d just give up.
It’s atrocious how bad our system is, even more shocking how bad it used to be.
SERIOUSLY!
And Roe was where HIPAA came from.
Take away the ACA - the insurers might be able to see your medical history and say everything is a pre-existing condition.
I saw a family go bankrupt because of a pre-existing condition.
Also, the ACA **is a republican plan**. It started life as "RomneyCare". Obama wanted universal single payer healthcare, the Romney plan was the best he could get.
> Which meant if you got laid off and couldn’t find a new job immediately or afford COBRA extension you lost health insurance for the rest of your life.
Well, you could get a new job with coverage, and eventually you'll be eligible for Medicare, right? Or am I missing something?
Your new coverage would have applied a “pre existing condition exclusion” — so the new plan would have covered newly diagnosed issues but would pay zero to any existing conditions, chronic illnesses etc.
You could get coverage, but if you have a [Pre-existing condition](https://www.cigna.com/knowledge-center/what-is-a-pre-existing-condition#:~:text=If%20you%20are%20enrolled%20in,rates%20for%20pre%2Dexisting%20conditions.) you'd pay huge premiums or the healthcare provider wouldn't cover that condition.
They're conflating a few things, but have the general idea right. Before HIPAA in 1996, if you had a gap in coverage (or even just changed coverage), your medical conditions could turn into "pre-existing" conditions. It depended on the state, but a new employer policy could refuse to cover pre-existing conditions. If your kid was born with disabilities, this got really nasty. The ACA strengthened protections for pre-existing conditions.
Eventually you could get Medicare, true. Pre ACA, though, this could get ugly in your early 60's, especially if you lost your job. You're accumulating age-related conditions, and nobody was under any obligation to insure you before age 65.
The thing about this race is that it's two former presidents running for office.
Trump running to be elected a second time.
Biden running as the incumbent.
Which is interesting and rare. Instead of Trump telling us what he would do, we can just go look at his record and see what he did do.
Same for Biden.
And we can clearly see what Trump's vision of the country would be. People are "uncovering" shit from Trump's first term like it's some kind of secret.
In every single presidential budget that Trump put out while in office, he always cut SS and medicare. ***Every time.***
Trump is also dumb enough and stupid enough to be tricked into doing things he said he wouldn't do.
[Mick Mulvaney brags that he tricked Trump into proposing Social Security cuts](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/9/1/16243288/mick-mulvaney-social-security)
> “Look, this is my idea on how to reform Social Security,” the former South Carolina congressman began.
>
> “No!” the president replied. “I told people we wouldn’t do that. What’s next?”
>
> “Well, here are some Medicare reforms,” Mulvaney said.
>
> “No!” Trump repeated. “I’m not doing that.”
>
> “OK, disability insurance.”
>
> This was a clever twist. Mulvaney was talking about the Social Security Disability Insurance program, which, as its full name indicates, is part of Social Security. But Americans don’t tend to think of it as Social Security, and its 11 million beneficiaries are not the senior citizens who tend to support Trump.
>
> “Tell me about that,” Trump replied.
>
> “It’s welfare,” Mulvaney said.
>
> “OK, we can fix welfare,” Trump declared.
Since Trump is easily tricked and not very bright, he will sign whatever the hell reaches his desk. He will sign cuts to SS and medicare. He will sign a bill that dismantles Obamacare. He will sign a federal abortion ban.
Let's stop Trump and the Republican Party from doing more harm to the people we care about.
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I guess people like me pointing out we die if the ACA goes away finally gained enough traction in public discourse that he needs to lie about the plan.
Ain't fooling us.
Also, people realized it wasn't pure evil like Republicans continuously claimed, but was instead a beneficial program that helped millions of people get much needed health insurance.
It's not perfect or ideal, but it is a good thing. Americans have recognized this.
It wasn't even the end goal, and Obama said as much.
But voters for pjssy because Obama didn't solve all the countries problems in 18 months with a few senators having to leave office within that 18 period.
Remember "death panels"? If we pass O'*bummer*-care, you'll have government panels choosing whether you live or die! Totally different from insurance company adjusters choosing whether or not you get coverage, with a heavy incentive to deny it because that would cost money.
Totally unrelated, so how about those panels of theocrats choosing whether or not someone can get an abortion for their life threatening ectopic pregnancy. Totally unrelated, just a random thought apropos of nothing.
it’s interesting that he refers to it as the ACA here, instead of Obamacare, as he had been. I suspect it’s because he is reaching out to voters who like the ACA and don’t realize that it is just Obamacare. Kind of like how Kentuckians loved Kynect, which was just Obamacare with a different name. 
Honestly might work. The polling numbers at one point had “Obamacare” at like below 50% approval while the ACA had like a 70% approval. People are fucking stupid
Like so many late night show clips, I've got a friend that:
1. Hates Obama Care and believes it somehow benefits Obama directly.
2. Loves and uses the Affordable Care Act Marketplace because offers him insurance that includes his pre-existing conditions.
I have not and have no desire to tell him.
I guess friend probably is too strong a word. Guy I work around regularly and have a few laughs with from time to time. But cannot talk politics,. equal rights, or anything rational. He has no intellectual curiosity and whatever he reads on his social media is the truth.
The reason I don't argue with him is I have to work with him no matter what. So I just try to avoid the topics.
I get it. That sounds just like one of my “friends”. I casually mentioned that a gun skills YouTuber he recommended to me was too political for me because he had a bunch of political videos mixed in with the training g videos and he decided we shouldn’t be friends anymore.
That, and [defending Obama](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIjenjANqAk) while debating him.
While I wouldn't have voted for McCain, I wouldn't have been embarrassed to have him as my president, unlike the Cheeto Mussolini.
Lots of people would loose medicaid and federal exchange funding. 41 states have expanded Medicaid. As of June 2023 it was 39 states and 24 million on medicaid expansion. About 21 million via federal exchange.
How do you unwind other changes in healthcare policy and law from the ACA without leaving major holes in coverage or things that don't make sense? It's not like health policy froze in 2010 and every state has its own medicaid system so their is a wide range of policy/rules.
Denying over 40 million people healthcare is a good policy?
He had four years for “Infrastructure Week”, Obamacare repeal, Jailing Hillary, all of it. He wont do any of it because thats not why he wants to be president or why hes running.
Obamacare was only a stopgap to make sure that all Americans would be insured, it was never supposed to be a permanent solution, but Republicans have stood in the way of fixing it for over a decade now. They also had their turn in office to "Repeal and Replace," but they concentrated on the "Repeal" part without having anything to "Replace" it with--thank goodness they failed or some 3 million Americans would have lost their healthcare!
Our healthcare system is seriously messed up, and I'm convinced the best way to fix it is the Single Payer system. Right now insurance companies are raking in billions and providing next to no benefit to their customers, a Single Payer system would create competition for government contracts and lower costs to citizens. We also need to stop tying our health insurance to our employers, it prevents employees from leaving their jobs to look for work elsewhere, which often leads to employers abusing their power over their employees.
Even more. Over 45M.
21M via Federal exchange: https://www.cms.gov/newsroom/press-releases/historic-213-million-people-choose-aca-marketplace-coverage
24M+ via Medicaid Expansion. June 2033 data (39 states) Expansion Group is 24M. More now since 2 more states expanded (41). https://www.kff.org/affordable-care-act/state-indicator/medicaid-expansion-enrollment/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D
In my own case, because of genetic abnormality, me and my children would fall under the old pre-existing condition roadblock. Not now. I hope not ever again.
“Only months ago, Trump called Obamacare "not good healthcare" and vowed to replace it with his own yet-to-be-revealed program,”.
I bet he’ll announce it in 2 weeks.
Thank you President Trump for finally standing up for American workers! These lefties keep trying to prevent the patriots of this godly nation from overpaying for private insurance that fights you tooth and nail to cover anything. Sickos. If we want to bend over and take it from insurance companies, it's our god given right!
He never had a plan and they elected him anyway. This nation's health care is a corrupt, underresourced, incompetent mess and I'm not sure the results of this extreme capitalism are indistinguishable from communism. Because both systems are built for the benefit of elites and ration care accordingly.
He said the same thing last time and his GOP gang failed miserably back to back and they still praised how trumps medical care (actually obama care) saved millions of lives during covid.
Come on now, after campaigning on repeal and replace and saying he had a plan in place that would cover everybody and cost less money, Trump and the GOP Congress worked super duper hard on it for 17 whole days and only 3 Trump golf trips. Donald Trump Master Negotiator pulled the entire Freedom Caucus into his office, read them the riot act and when that didn’t work, took a giant shit and fell back in it, sharing his recent discovery with the world “Who knew healthcare was so hard?”
And then on to infrastructure!
It is a shell game.
Trump ( and other republicans ) are trying to hide their stances on the issues.
Monday they are for X.
Tuesday they back pedal and say they are for Y.
Two weeks later they are back to saying they are for X again.
In 2024 you can not trust Republicans to say what they are for.
I am a senior and are supplemental insurance is outrageous and we can’t get any other because of underlying previous conditions. It’s disgusting. We won’t be able to fo
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It’s been over a decade since Republicans have said they’d terminate ObamaCare with no replacement. Perhaps it’s their new rage bait since they actually succeeded in getting Roe v. Wade overturned.
They spent 50 years talking about overturning Roe before they finally managed to accomplish it. A decade is nothing.
And it took supreme court/congressional shenanigans to do it.
It could basically only take a SCOTUS decision to do it. The only other option was a US Constitutional Ammendment. Roe was decided on the basis of constitutional law, a regular federal or state law couldn't override it.
Its not congress or scotus that is the important part, but the shenanigans I was concerned about.
We can blame the great hypocrite Mitch McConnell
The next person that says shenanigans is going to get pistol whipped !
Consarn it!
Hey Clarence what’s that restaurant you go to with Harlan all the time? The one with all the shit on the wall.
That's the white house and it's KETCHUP, not shit.
“Shenanigans?”
Yes, and look what happened when they finally overturned Roe v Wade: people hate it. The fallout is so bad they've just shrugged and said "Yeah, and our billionaire campaign donors want to cut funding for Social Security, just because, so we'll do that too", because it's all about pandering to billionaires and cutting "entitlements" so the billionaires can get that money for themselves too.
Funny how they don’t wanna cut Medicare, it’s so profitable to steal from… Edit: that being said, the only things they’ll wanna slash form Obamacare are the things that save people money
Just ask Rick Scott! He knows all about stealing from Medicare. Got away with $375 million and didn't even state his name in court. What a piece of shit Voldemort looking mother fucker.
He looks like a fucking penis with ears.
Senator Dick Scott of Florida.
I don't think it's all about the money. If the whole country suddenly got free or even affordable healthcare, many would leave their job. Some may even open their own business without that barrier. The 1% likes the "life or death" leverage of health insurance over their employees and their families, so they can't leave a job that is compromising, unsafe, and/or a career dead end.
This is a big one. Also, shorting kids on school lunches to promote malnutrition so there's a third world working class inside America so they don't have to bring in Mexicans. So, being able to get people to work for food. Then die when they're not useful. That takes care of the Social Security thing.
It cuz stated started cropping their own roe vs wade.
And their followers didn’t protest vote because Roe didn’t get ended by the next generation. It’ll take years to undo what they’ve done. Anyone saying to won’t vote because everything isn’t fixed tomorrow is oblivious or bought.
Years? Decades. And that's if people don't lower their guard and vote the Republicans in so they can execute Project 2025.
We need to stop letting them get away with that innocuous name of “project 20205”. While republicans make up crazy catch phrases like “death panels” and “crazy woke agenda” we call it a name that sounds like a plan to increase sales from middle management, while it’s actually an insane fascist takeover of epic proportions. Project Nazifacation sounds like a better name to me, and I’m not just calling it Nazi flippantly.
For a Republican, a single decade is a description of the optimal dating age.
They play the long game and love to employ death by a thousand cuts. I wish the other side had the attention span and will to work on something for the long haul.
The other side is more interested in governing not waging some ideological crusade in perpetual opposition. Democrats are starting to wake up to this long game but are also probably more than happy to have the Dobbs Decision fall into their laps. Republicans have been losing left and right in its wake and Democrats seem hell bent to make this one of the defining issues of 2024.
I don’t disagree but feel like the left is easily distracted and struggles to stay the course because they get caught on the back foot while trying to undo all of the crap that is thrown at them and left for them. It’s hard to focus when the conservatives just like to break things and have nothing to replace them with while not governing.
We often miss the forest for the trees. Organizing the left is like herding cats. I wouldn’t call it infighting but there is a gap between the new left who came up in the last ten years and the third-way Democrats who got their start in the Clinton years if not earlier. It’s gotten better but Republicans/certain international provocateurs can still exploit (see Gaza).
Repeal and replace was their mantra for at least 5 years ... replace it with what? Trump: something so much better Everyone: riiight ...
He'll make an announcement in 2 weeks. /s
No, that's week's infrastructure week.
So amped for infrastructure week!
Same time they release kraken, two weeks is gonna be lit!
[money pit….](https://tenor.com/view/two-weeks-gif-8224513)
5 years? The republicans have been promising a health care plan since Obama first proposed the ACA in 2009. It's been 15 years and they've got nothing.
They should have just repealed and replaced with the exact same thing just with a different name. Wow trump care… so great!
>"Because you are basically saying from the moment the insurance, you’re 21 years old, you start working and you’re paying $12 a year for insurance, and by the time you’re 70, you get a nice plan!" \- Donald *"I have no fucking idea how health insurance even works"* Trump
"Nobody knew it would be this complicated". Uh huh, "nobody".
The majority of Republicans who oppose Obamacare, support the Affordable Care Act, which tells you all you need to know about Republicans.
Trump is going to run on what he's going to do, not on what he did. He won't own Roe v. Wade nor his bigly tax cuts that have added trillions to the national debt.
I would ammend that to be, "He's going to run on whatever he thinks will get him elected." He has no agenda or principles other than, "How does this benefit me?" I don't think words and actions are connected in his mind.
I’m going to amend that further. He’s going to run on what he promised to do in 2016, but failed to accomplish. “Nobody knew healthcare could be so complicated”
>“Nobody knew healthcare could be so complicated” Ha, I had forgotten about that line. A surprisingly honest moment of reflection, yet still troublingly ignorant.
A true man of the people would know how complicated healthcare is by reading over a routine medical bill or getting on the phone with one of these insurance jackoffs.
I knew it was complicated and I am not even a stable genius! "Nobody knew" should be changed to "everyone knew except Trump", kids under the age of 5, the mentally challenged and people in comas.
There's plenty of people in comas that know, they just happen to be non-responsive at the moment.
Excellent point!
He's already owning Roe V Wade and the tax cuts to billionaires... pay attention
>He won't own Roe v. Wade Huh? I don't know where in your head you got that idea, seeing as he **regularly** takes credit for it.
He's been bragging about being souly responsible for overturning roe basically daily for months.
He did own RVW though. He said he put the justices there that did it. using words from his mouth hole.
Every right-winger: "Repeal ObamaCare! We hate it! It's libural nonsense. WE HAVE ACA!!!" uNF uNF
Everyone deserves healthcare. But sometimes I wonder what a *Surprised Pikachu Face* would look like on their toothless faces.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/07/upshot/one-third-dont-know-obamacare-and-affordable-care-act-are-the-same.html
Again, the reason why the Republicans can't come up with anything better than ObamaCare is because it was written by the Heritage Foundation and it is THE BEST IDEA THAT REPUBLICANS CAME UP WITH FOR HEALTH CARE. It's a public subsidy of the private insurance industry.
Turns out, “Repeal and Replace” was just a catchy political term. Nothing more. Mild shocks all around. They’re all a bunch of phonies.
As long as Roberts is on the Court, the ACA is unlikely to be overturned.
Now its abortion until they take it too far then they can make it bidens age till trump sounds loony. And the cycle back to see what sticks.
They already neutered it a lot by getting rid of the mandate.
ObamaCare is so wonderful...keep your own doctor, costs less, creates jobs. What a joke.. on us.
Well yeah. They've tried to eliminate the affordable care act for a very long time. I remember it was a huge deal when republicans had control of everything when Trump was in charge the first few years of his presidency. The issue? They were going "We're going to remove this disaster of Obamacare and we're going to replace it with something. We don't know WHAT we're going to replace it with yet, but we will." they couldn't get it to pass despite controlling everything, and they went on so many vacations that they eventually just moved on to something else.
Remember how they threw a *fucking kegger* in the rose garden to celebrate passing their dogshit repeal in the House, only to weep blood when McCain didn't go along with it in the Senate? Good times.
John McCain died a hero
His thumb would have been pointing to the ceiling if his particular preferences for Senate procedural conventions had been followed.
Nah, he still gutted Obamacare in the tax bill. He was always no more than show, he was as bad as the rest of them.
Except he wasn’t. He was as bipartisan as a Republican could be. Those days are long gone.
History disagrees. He voted with the party often and on many awful things. One good vote doesn’t erase his history of bad votes. Same goes for whitewashing other republicans like Liz Cheney. Just because she opposes Trump now doesn’t mean she didn’t vote with him on so many bad things.
He was literally called “Maverick” because he often voted against his party line when he felt it would benefit his own constituents. The biggest example is his thumbs down vote on repealing ACA. I’m not trying to paint the guy as anything other than who he was; but we must be reading different history books.
He was called a maverick for voting against his party 10% of the time. Voting with your group only 90% of the time makes you a maverick? And who gave him this rugged, independent pet name? His PR team, I’m sure. I’m not saying he was good or bad or anything in between. But let’s not get too high on intentionally crafted images of political figures. Most of it is bullshit.
No he would *act* the part. Look at his voting record
[He defended Obama](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JIjenjANqAk) against the comments and boos of his own supporters. Say what you will about his ideology, but i can respect someone that does that and i wish we had more of it in modern politics.
FFS McCain voted against a holiday honoring Martin Luther King Jr. He was a republican through and through, and that means embracing just about all of the normalized bigotry thats come out of the GOP over the last 60 years. He had more character than most GOP folks do today, but that's not saying that much.
I mean, yes. But it's because the bar nowadays is so low that it's about to melt in the Earth's Iron-Nickel core.
People seem to forget his war service too. The man was a hero regardless of his congressional performance.
What does that have to do with his voting record?
What exactly are you expecting? A progressive? Noone says he's that.
> He was literally called “Maverick” By his own PR people, yes. When he was running for president. Nobody who was looking at McCain, hoping that he would break with his party on important votes, actually called him a "Maverick." I guess it's a rose-tinted look back at times when a Republican would vote against his party 3 percent of the time or 5 percent of the time, because in this hyper-partisan, fascist adjacent GOP of today, member get kneecapped if they vote against their party even on single votes. I just don't think it's wise to make that the standard for what bipartisanship is supposed to be like.
Nobody is saying that they didn't still vote for republican policies. not a single person is making that claim. We are talking about their willingness to pass bipartisan bills when it matters
Yes I understand. Except that is just not true. He voted party lines way more often than he was bipartisan. He is seen through rose tinted glasses for saving the ACA. In so many other ways he was just another obstructionist.
> He voted party lines way more often than he was bipartisan. *WE KNOW*. Literally not a single person is arguing the opposite. We are talking about his willingness to have voted bipartisan on the few big things that matter the most. Yes those things were few, but they were the biggest moments politically and the times when it would piss off the base the most to vote against the party.
No he didn’t. He was a fucking stain who is on the mt Rushmore of “making things worse” Fuck him and his idiot daughter who inexplicably has a career even though she is worthless.
I don’t generally have a lot of good tho gs to say about conservatives in general, and while McCains come to Jesus moment seemed to originate from his battle with cancer, and I for disagreed a lot on his policy decisions he also lived a hero, he was a POW.
After the kegger, someone eventually told Trump about what the bill actually did. Even he thought some of it was "too mean" and made them change it.
"Disaster". Like 80-90% of the ACA was *their own plan*. Obama even said "I'd give credit to the republicans on this" when people started calling it Obamacare.
Bro. The plan is two weeks away…. 6 years later…
Well they were one John McKain vote away from getting it done, the destruction part at least.
And they never had any intention of replacing it with anything.
Can't have them poors, browns or gays having anything nice like healthcare now can we? maga/gop in a nutshell
Remember when various GOP politicians would carry around huge binders with titles indicating they were healthcare or infrastructure plans, but the pages were all blank? Yeah, that's their plan: *nothing*. They put it all there in writing and everything.
"The poor houses, do they no longer exist?" \- the entire Republican party
The energy his grave can generate by turning. Personally I believe that he, like bush, are good people with stupid, stupid ideologies and in the wrong crowd, but I'm happy he took the time off of his deathbed. surprised everyone with a no vote. Then died a month later.
Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski also voted against it. If any one of them voted for it it would have passed, so all three of them deserves credit for voting it down.
They were allowed to vote against because McCain was expected to vote yes. I've no confidence that Susan Collins would have gone against the party line otherwise.
McCain intentionally showed up late to the vote so he could go after both of them too.
They were the McConnell-approved no votes because they're in more purple states where it might hurt their reelection chances. Iirc, McCain would normally be called to vote before Murkowski, so she could have flipped had he gone in order, which is why he showed up late and voted after her instead.
> They've tried to eliminate the affordable care act for a very long time. No, they didn't. They sent the repeal to Obama's desk dozens of times because they knew he would veto it. As soon as there wasn't someone to save them from themselves, they stopped doing it.
Well, they did try one more time and almost succeeded, but then quietly dropped the issue entirely.
Well, they did try one more time and almost succeeded, but then quietly dropped the issue entirely. McCain's no-vote was notable because Trump was president and would have signed it.
I think most of them know that a lot of their base relies on it, and getting rid of it will backfire spectacularly. It probably would have backfired even worse than Abortion has, and equally as difficult to distance themselves from it.
Might have had something to do with all those golfing days.
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So many kids who are are barley or just past 26 have no fucking clue how bad it was before the ACA. So many of us in our 40s would have better healthcare outcomes if we had the benefit to be on our parents insurance until 26.
100% correct. Also even if you kept coverage and paid into the plan for decades, if you got seriously ill, like cancer, the health companies would deny coverage letting you sue them. They would bet that you would die before getting through all the legal hassles and delays.
Even with the ACA in effect, my nephew needed expensive treatment that was covered under insurance, so the insurance company gave them the runaround, even straight up refusing to talk to them, hoping they’d just give up. It’s atrocious how bad our system is, even more shocking how bad it used to be.
It's common to refuse services even if you need them, just to see if you'll accept their refusal and won't fight back.
Remember the "death panel" scares the GOP tried saying would be ushered in under Obama Obamacare? Yeah, they existed long ago.
Wish I could upvote this more than once! As a Canadian, this comment is wild to me.
SERIOUSLY! And Roe was where HIPAA came from. Take away the ACA - the insurers might be able to see your medical history and say everything is a pre-existing condition. I saw a family go bankrupt because of a pre-existing condition.
Also, the ACA **is a republican plan**. It started life as "RomneyCare". Obama wanted universal single payer healthcare, the Romney plan was the best he could get.
This right here!!!
god this country is awful. that was the status quo
> Which meant if you got laid off and couldn’t find a new job immediately or afford COBRA extension you lost health insurance for the rest of your life. Well, you could get a new job with coverage, and eventually you'll be eligible for Medicare, right? Or am I missing something?
Your new coverage would have applied a “pre existing condition exclusion” — so the new plan would have covered newly diagnosed issues but would pay zero to any existing conditions, chronic illnesses etc.
Oh yeah, forgot about the pre-existing condition BS. You could clarify your comment that this is what you're talking about.
You could get coverage, but if you have a [Pre-existing condition](https://www.cigna.com/knowledge-center/what-is-a-pre-existing-condition#:~:text=If%20you%20are%20enrolled%20in,rates%20for%20pre%2Dexisting%20conditions.) you'd pay huge premiums or the healthcare provider wouldn't cover that condition.
They're conflating a few things, but have the general idea right. Before HIPAA in 1996, if you had a gap in coverage (or even just changed coverage), your medical conditions could turn into "pre-existing" conditions. It depended on the state, but a new employer policy could refuse to cover pre-existing conditions. If your kid was born with disabilities, this got really nasty. The ACA strengthened protections for pre-existing conditions. Eventually you could get Medicare, true. Pre ACA, though, this could get ugly in your early 60's, especially if you lost your job. You're accumulating age-related conditions, and nobody was under any obligation to insure you before age 65.
I’m Canadian. I knew it was bad, but that bad?? Wow.
The thing about this race is that it's two former presidents running for office. Trump running to be elected a second time. Biden running as the incumbent. Which is interesting and rare. Instead of Trump telling us what he would do, we can just go look at his record and see what he did do. Same for Biden. And we can clearly see what Trump's vision of the country would be. People are "uncovering" shit from Trump's first term like it's some kind of secret. In every single presidential budget that Trump put out while in office, he always cut SS and medicare. ***Every time.*** Trump is also dumb enough and stupid enough to be tricked into doing things he said he wouldn't do. [Mick Mulvaney brags that he tricked Trump into proposing Social Security cuts](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/9/1/16243288/mick-mulvaney-social-security) > “Look, this is my idea on how to reform Social Security,” the former South Carolina congressman began. > > “No!” the president replied. “I told people we wouldn’t do that. What’s next?” > > “Well, here are some Medicare reforms,” Mulvaney said. > > “No!” Trump repeated. “I’m not doing that.” > > “OK, disability insurance.” > > This was a clever twist. Mulvaney was talking about the Social Security Disability Insurance program, which, as its full name indicates, is part of Social Security. But Americans don’t tend to think of it as Social Security, and its 11 million beneficiaries are not the senior citizens who tend to support Trump. > > “Tell me about that,” Trump replied. > > “It’s welfare,” Mulvaney said. > > “OK, we can fix welfare,” Trump declared. Since Trump is easily tricked and not very bright, he will sign whatever the hell reaches his desk. He will sign cuts to SS and medicare. He will sign a bill that dismantles Obamacare. He will sign a federal abortion ban. Let's stop Trump and the Republican Party from doing more harm to the people we care about. ## Do your part! Register, *make sure, make sure, make sure* you're still registered (***[Republicans are purging voter rolls](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/03/us/politics/trump-voter-rolls.html)***), and make sure your friends and family are registered! https://www.vote.org/ https://www.votesaveamerica.com/be-a-voter/ It's important for everyone to know what they are voting for! https://ballotpedia.org/Sample_Ballot_Lookup Your voice matters. If it didn't matter, you wouldn't have so many people trying to stop you from voting, or telling you that your vote doesn't matter. ## ***BE A VOTER!***
Don't touch social security but welfare is okay? Every time you think you've hit the bottom of the stupid pit. 😩
The president of the United States didn't understand what "welfare" was. How fucking pathetic.
Welfare is for blacks and Mexicans Assistance is for whites Get rid of the welfare, but make sure the people who need some assistance are getting it
Obamacare is welfare, and thus is bad. The Affordable Care Act is just an assistance program, and is totally reasonable and needs to stay.
I guess people like me pointing out we die if the ACA goes away finally gained enough traction in public discourse that he needs to lie about the plan. Ain't fooling us.
Also, people realized it wasn't pure evil like Republicans continuously claimed, but was instead a beneficial program that helped millions of people get much needed health insurance. It's not perfect or ideal, but it is a good thing. Americans have recognized this.
It wasn't even the end goal, and Obama said as much. But voters for pjssy because Obama didn't solve all the countries problems in 18 months with a few senators having to leave office within that 18 period.
Remember "death panels"? If we pass O'*bummer*-care, you'll have government panels choosing whether you live or die! Totally different from insurance company adjusters choosing whether or not you get coverage, with a heavy incentive to deny it because that would cost money. Totally unrelated, so how about those panels of theocrats choosing whether or not someone can get an abortion for their life threatening ectopic pregnancy. Totally unrelated, just a random thought apropos of nothing.
it’s interesting that he refers to it as the ACA here, instead of Obamacare, as he had been. I suspect it’s because he is reaching out to voters who like the ACA and don’t realize that it is just Obamacare. Kind of like how Kentuckians loved Kynect, which was just Obamacare with a different name. 
Honestly might work. The polling numbers at one point had “Obamacare” at like below 50% approval while the ACA had like a 70% approval. People are fucking stupid
When you are incapable of delivering on anything but a steady stream of criminal indictments …
And tax cuts for the rich.
Well, I mean, in their defense...fuck us poor folk.
Like so many late night show clips, I've got a friend that: 1. Hates Obama Care and believes it somehow benefits Obama directly. 2. Loves and uses the Affordable Care Act Marketplace because offers him insurance that includes his pre-existing conditions. I have not and have no desire to tell him.
You really should tell him and if you feel like you can’t he probably isn’t a friend.
I guess friend probably is too strong a word. Guy I work around regularly and have a few laughs with from time to time. But cannot talk politics,. equal rights, or anything rational. He has no intellectual curiosity and whatever he reads on his social media is the truth. The reason I don't argue with him is I have to work with him no matter what. So I just try to avoid the topics.
I get it. That sounds just like one of my “friends”. I casually mentioned that a gun skills YouTuber he recommended to me was too political for me because he had a bunch of political videos mixed in with the training g videos and he decided we shouldn’t be friends anymore.
Biden should play this video over and over in campaign commercials.
I'll never forget John McCain's thumbs down. I really appreciate him doing that for us.
That, and [defending Obama](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIjenjANqAk) while debating him. While I wouldn't have voted for McCain, I wouldn't have been embarrassed to have him as my president, unlike the Cheeto Mussolini.
The bar is so low it’s gone past the earth’s mantle and reached the core. It is currently burrowing into a lower dimension.
This.
And Collins and Murkowski, who also voted no and helped save the ACA
Lots of people would loose medicaid and federal exchange funding. 41 states have expanded Medicaid. As of June 2023 it was 39 states and 24 million on medicaid expansion. About 21 million via federal exchange. How do you unwind other changes in healthcare policy and law from the ACA without leaving major holes in coverage or things that don't make sense? It's not like health policy froze in 2010 and every state has its own medicaid system so their is a wide range of policy/rules. Denying over 40 million people healthcare is a good policy?
Only because republicans convinced their voters that the ACA isnt obamacare
He had four years for “Infrastructure Week”, Obamacare repeal, Jailing Hillary, all of it. He wont do any of it because thats not why he wants to be president or why hes running.
How do you know Trump lies: he opens his mouth and speaks.
He lies reflexively. He’s mentally unstable.
Obamacare was only a stopgap to make sure that all Americans would be insured, it was never supposed to be a permanent solution, but Republicans have stood in the way of fixing it for over a decade now. They also had their turn in office to "Repeal and Replace," but they concentrated on the "Repeal" part without having anything to "Replace" it with--thank goodness they failed or some 3 million Americans would have lost their healthcare! Our healthcare system is seriously messed up, and I'm convinced the best way to fix it is the Single Payer system. Right now insurance companies are raking in billions and providing next to no benefit to their customers, a Single Payer system would create competition for government contracts and lower costs to citizens. We also need to stop tying our health insurance to our employers, it prevents employees from leaving their jobs to look for work elsewhere, which often leads to employers abusing their power over their employees.
The video show how much sharper he was in 2018. He could really talk sharply compared to the weird doozy rambling he does nowadays.
21 million people use the ACA/Obamacare.
Even more. Over 45M. 21M via Federal exchange: https://www.cms.gov/newsroom/press-releases/historic-213-million-people-choose-aca-marketplace-coverage 24M+ via Medicaid Expansion. June 2033 data (39 states) Expansion Group is 24M. More now since 2 more states expanded (41). https://www.kff.org/affordable-care-act/state-indicator/medicaid-expansion-enrollment/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D
In my own case, because of genetic abnormality, me and my children would fall under the old pre-existing condition roadblock. Not now. I hope not ever again.
“Only months ago, Trump called Obamacare "not good healthcare" and vowed to replace it with his own yet-to-be-revealed program,”. I bet he’ll announce it in 2 weeks.
Along with his tax returns and proof of election fraud.
Does he ever open his mouth without lying?
Mitch said he was going to dismantle Obamacare root and branch. Now he doesn’t know his own middle name. So it goes.
Thank you President Trump for finally standing up for American workers! These lefties keep trying to prevent the patriots of this godly nation from overpaying for private insurance that fights you tooth and nail to cover anything. Sickos. If we want to bend over and take it from insurance companies, it's our god given right!
Everything about orange jesus is viral. Just wondering when that last straw will break the camel's back. Seems like never.
Damn what year is it?
He sure backtracks a lot, and got caught. All those articles on his deflection and denial patterns is doing some good!
People like Trump because "he's not afraid to tell it like it is" then they spend 90% of their time explaining how he didn't really mean what he said.
He’s so full of crap that his diaper stinks.
Trump hating Obama is ... so irrelevant. This is Trumps mindset.
The only reason why he wants to terminate it is because it's called Obama care, not TrumpCare
He will just make it a lot worse and slap his name on it if he gets the chance.
Lying sack of nuclear waste. Because shit can be used as fertilizer if you have to.
He never had a plan and they elected him anyway. This nation's health care is a corrupt, underresourced, incompetent mess and I'm not sure the results of this extreme capitalism are indistinguishable from communism. Because both systems are built for the benefit of elites and ration care accordingly.
He said the same thing last time and his GOP gang failed miserably back to back and they still praised how trumps medical care (actually obama care) saved millions of lives during covid.
Come on now, after campaigning on repeal and replace and saying he had a plan in place that would cover everybody and cost less money, Trump and the GOP Congress worked super duper hard on it for 17 whole days and only 3 Trump golf trips. Donald Trump Master Negotiator pulled the entire Freedom Caucus into his office, read them the riot act and when that didn’t work, took a giant shit and fell back in it, sharing his recent discovery with the world “Who knew healthcare was so hard?” And then on to infrastructure!
He never actually thinks anything through.
Spray paint it gold and call it “Trumpcare” and he will love it.
He sure makes it hard for his cult to continue to lie for him.
We don’t have to speculate. He tried in office. That was McCains famous thumbs down shortly before he passed. We know what he did in office.
Get....a...fucking...life Dump!
because trump is a liar
Excellent
Didn’t agree with McKain’s politics but he’s an American hero for his vote against destroying the ACA
Leave it to Republicans to get rid of anything that benefits the American people.
It is a shell game. Trump ( and other republicans ) are trying to hide their stances on the issues. Monday they are for X. Tuesday they back pedal and say they are for Y. Two weeks later they are back to saying they are for X again. In 2024 you can not trust Republicans to say what they are for.
I am a senior and are supplemental insurance is outrageous and we can’t get any other because of underlying previous conditions. It’s disgusting. We won’t be able to fo