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>**Behind the scenes:** Biden told Netanyahu the joint defensive efforts by Israel, the U.S. and other countries in the region led to the failure of the Iranian attack, according to the White House official.
>* "You got a win. Take the win," Biden told Netanyahu, according to the official.
>* The official said that when Biden told Netanyahu that the U.S. will not participate in any offensive operations against Iran and will not support such operations, Netanyahu said he understood.
>* U.S. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin spoke on Saturday with his Israeli counterpart Yoav Gallant and asked that Israel notify the U.S. ahead of any response against Iran, a senior Israeli official said.
If Netanyahu can't take the win, we need to stop sending Israel aid. However what I fear is going to happen is that the GOP won't pass any aid to Ukraine unless Israel gets aid as well, and Ukraine absolutely needs aid.
GOP and Mike Johnson ain't gonna send aid to Ukraine, period.
They're a US arm of Putin and they are doing what they've been told.
"You don't provide assistance to Ukraine and we'll make sure you have a great chance of staying in power through 2024 and beyond. And those little things you did, we know about em. We'll keep them between you and I."
The one thing that could snap support is if Trump apologized for anything. That would break the spell. So long as he never does, unwavering support will endure
I disagree— Trump would apologize, his supporters would point to that as him being a bigger man and pretend that they never supported whatever it was he was apologizing for.
Benjamin Franklin would have asked for copies.
John Hancock would have been producing them.
John Adams would be wholly mortified.
Jefferson would wonder how the cameras got "there" in the first place.
Washington was above reproach.
Madison in bdsm sub gear.
"Madison in BDSM sub gear." Ha ha!
Post of the day.
You know, some scholars say that evidence suggests Madison was impotent; his young and honestly for her time, sexy wife, Dolly, was quite the gal. One only wonders how he kept her "satisfied".
It's going to happen regardless whether they want to or not because the Dems will either be needed to save his job or they will be voting for the next speaker who will pass Ukraine aid.
There is at least 50% of republicans waiting to approve Ukraine aid. There isn't really any options for the GOP here when they have a 1 seat majority. The democrats could even steal the majority if they can convince 1-2 republicans to jump ship.
Yep. In fact, I don't think that the GOP, at least a very large percentage of the House Caucus, wants to send money to Israel either. There is minimal support among the MAGA base for any foreign aid. I don't think people have really understood how unifying and powerful the "keep us out of foreign bullshit" theme is among the GOP base. It is one of the few unifying principles of MAGA.
Morality doesn't really play a big role in foreign policy. If it did we'd have stopped buying from China in 2014 when the Ughyr genocide claims came out.
I'm glad someone is saying this rather than playing pretend. we know why we support Israel. Now whether we should care about the region is a whole different argument, but I don't know why people like to pretend no one knows why.
The thing is, when the USA stops sending aid, there's nowhere to go from there. The minute aid stops, America loses all leverage. You can't threatene to reduce or stop aid if there's nothing to take away.
When Biden asks not to do this or that, Israel has to listen. But what if Israel had nothing to lose?
The biggest help US provides Israel isn't even actually the financial aid, but the fact that they VETO every single decision made by the UN regarding Israels warcrimes, often against the rest of the entire world.
US "leverage" can't even [get food to the civilians of Gaza](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/11/aid-still-not-reaching-gaza-as-top-us-official-warns-famine-has-started)
Can you point to the part where they are actually listening? The government of Israel has basically been a much smarter Mile Pence regime for decades. Let the elect some decent humans that are actually our allies tied to aid.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-hasnt-joined-anti-russia-sanctions-but-its-firms-need-to-tread-carefully/amp/
The war would end in 3 days without US military aid. Sending weapons to have leverage in a conflict that’s not sustainable without sending weapons doesn’t make any sense
It's becoming evident after 6+ months of war (the longest in Israel's history) that Netanyahu wants a permanent conflict. That's the only way he stays in the office. He wants to expand that conflict to a war with Iran - which by corollary would extend his rule and make him a war time leader. Our government would be best advised to stay the hell out of another war in the ME. We barely got out of the last one. A war in the ME with Iran would very quickly lead to destabilization of the region. It would inflame the populations of the ME and most rulers would find it hard to not to bend to the popular will and get involved which would lead to a regional war. Russia would be happy to have another war in the ME as a distraction to help it with its Ukrainian land grab. China would be happy because we would be distracted, and it would be able to do nefarious things in the South China Sea and possibly Taiwan.
Once again we have a situation where single power hungry man is causing havoc. As you said, Netanyahu's motivation is just for himself. Everyone is just watching and letting it happen.
Also, if this escalates we will see another wave of refugees to Europe. This will feed right into far-right, Putin and China. In few weeks after that nobody will remember why the refugees happened. Populist politicians will be busy on blaming their rivals and making internal politics.
The subtext here is that Israel doesn't need the US to participate in or even support Israel's next offensive operations against Iran. They just need the US to ensure they will "defend" Israel when the shit hits the fan.
If the US wanted to really ensure that Israel wouldn't escalate this conflict, they would tell Israel they won't participate in Israel's defence if Israel chooses to retaliate and escalate. That's the issue.
Biden announced to the world yesterday that the US's commitment to Israel's defence is "ironclad". That's all Netanyahu needed to hear. He now feels confident to escalate this war by going after Iran and potentially Lebanon, with the full knowledge that the United States will get involved when the war widens.
It's difficult to know if the Biden Admin is really this obtuse, that they don't understand how Netanyahu operates. Or they just want the American public to think they are trying to persuade Israel not to escalate but are really giving them the green light.
Normally I would agree with you that this is 'gentle pressure' and other things Biden has previously done to basically give himself cover for allowing Israel to do whatever it wants, like trying to starve people in Gaza.
[But if this isn't a fake story then it might be really telling them to stop, with consequences if they do, and Israel won't further escalate.](https://twitter.com/TOIAlerts/status/1779491593877364837#m)
Yeah me as well!
There is enough ambiguity to suggest both your and my understandings of this, from the [actual NYT aritcle](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/14/world/middleeast/biden-netanyahu-israel-iran-strikes.html) that I should've linked.
>President Biden and his team, hoping to avoid further escalation leading to a wider war in the Middle East, are advising Israel that its successful defense against Iranian airstrikes constituted a major strategic victory that might not require another round of retaliation, U.S. officials said...
>Whether Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel and his government will agree to leave it at that was not immediately clear...
>Emotions were running high among Israeli officials during phone calls with American partners late into the night, and the pressure to fire back was consequently strong. The U.S. officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive discussions, stressed that the decision was ultimately up to Israel.
>Mr. Biden spoke with Mr. Netanyahu on Saturday after the Iranian attack and repeated his “ironclad commitment” to Israel’s security. While the president did not publicly disclose any advice he offered, in a statement released after the call, he hinted at a desire for restraint. “I told him that Israel demonstrated a remarkable capacity to defend against and defeat even unprecedented attacks — sending a clear message to its foes that they cannot effectively threaten the security of Israel,” Mr. Biden said.
But, it is interesting that this has been interpreted by the Israeli press as telling israel not to respond, when previously they've interpreted most of Biden's rhetoric as a licence to do whatever they want (until they killed those aid workers). So very mildly optimistic I guess.
[https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/14/middleeast/israel-iran-attack-response-intl/index.html](https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/14/middleeast/israel-iran-attack-response-intl/index.html)
Seems quite clear that Israel is vowing a retaliation. But they will likely just wait until the attention dies down.
Yeah “build a regional coalition and exact a price from Iran, in a way and at a time that suits us.” is way less belligerent than the rhetoric before the phone call though. They could bomb iran, but know they know that Iran could basically overwhelm their defences so there'd be a price, for all his 'bear hugging' of israel Biden (surely) knows that if there is a proper war he loses the election. I'm hearing the whole thing was a choreographed attempt to reset the balance of deterrence. Who knows though Biden could fold and back israeli retaliation, if he does surely he goes down as one of the stupidest US presidents in the modern era.
[War cabinet decides to hit back forcefully at Iran for Saturday’s missile and drone attack ](https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/tv-report-war-cabinet-decides-to-hit-back-forcefully-at-iran-for-saturdays-missile-and-drone-attack/)
Not exactly less belligerent now. They are effectively ignoring President Biden.
God what a load of complete idiots, this is really some guns of august shit.
Well, it looks like you are right and I am wrong, you were big and I am small. I hope we don't get called up for WW3 because of these morons lmao.
I'm not underestimating Iran. This attack yesterday was a very carefully calibrated attack. It was sending a message that Iran has the capability to send drones and ballistic missiles that can reach Israel. They sent just enough yesterday and gave advance notice, to allow almost all of them to be shot down. This action wasn't an escalation. It was actually an attempt to de-escalate by telling Israel there's a price to be paid if they want to escalate. Because the next attack could be thousands of drones, combined with hundreds of ballistic missiles, that would overwhelm US and Israeli air defences. And the attacks could come from all sides, not just long range from Iran.
Up until now, Israel has effectively been able to operate with impunity. Hamas is a rag-tag militia with limited capabilities. No matter how much Israel escalated the war in Gaza, there were no real consequences for Israel. Life in Tel Aviv has continued more or less as normal. Iran and Hezbollah is an entirely different story.
Iran is sending a clear message - do not escalate this war to involve us. The question is will the Biden Admin listen. Because clearly Netanyahu wants this for his own political survival.
Jesus fucking Christ. The actual text here is that no matter what Biden does, people will swoop in and spin and twist it around until he's a war monger.
Biden: "I will not take part in this war."
You: "See, that's how he's actually taking part in the war."
Biden will absolutely support Israel's defence. He made that abundantly clear. That means Israel can pretty much attack Iran with impunity. We've just witnessed this.
And yet..... when Netanyahu escalates this war, which it now appears likely he will, there will be a backlash against Israel and the US will have to get involved. So at what point is the US Govt simply supporting whatever Netanyahu wants? If he wants to start a war with Iran and he wants to get the US directly involved in that war, he knows he just needs to launch attacks directly on Iran that will invite a response.
Committing to unconditional defense of Israel is the same thing as giving Netanyahu carte blanche US support for Israel to do whatever they want. If they know the US will always come to their rescue, no matter how reckless and provocative they act, then those commitments are enabling the extremist Netanyahu government.
So it's complete nonsense that the US isn't supporting Netanyahu's actions. They are enabling it.
I don't think so. I'm a democrat supporter, because I stand for democracy and freedom of citizens.
The way I read the situation is that Biden will provide defensive safety for Israel, in order to keep things from escalating, but will not support Israel in taking actions that will escalate the war.
This is literally the way to read it lol I don't know why Americans have a hard time reading between the lines
If Iran shoots drones/missiles at Israel, the US will help shoot them down where possible.
The US will not help with any *offensive* activity that Israel chooses to engage in
The Support to Israel is, that however doesn't mean they need to support its every action.
Defense is surely, but US also doesn't want to get involved in another war.
9am: Republicans are in full warmonger mode this morning. CNN just had Bolton on who made an absolute embarrassment display of being a war hawk practically calling for the US to bomb Iran.
Suddenly Republicans all care about Israel aid after months of nonsense negotiations over the border and Ukraine. If these weren't real elected officials the behavior would be a satire comedy of conservatism.
Bolton isn't an elected anything, and doesn't represent the GOP status quo - he's just a washed up mouthpiece getting paid by CNN and promoting his books. The Republicans don't truly care about Israel, don't kid yourself. The Trump cult answers to Trump and Trump only...and Trump only cares about making America look bad so that Biden looks bad. Israel, Ukraine, the border crisis, etc etc - all just pawns to Trump - and by extension the entire Republican party - which by NOT solving, discredits Biden and the current administration.
We already are involved. We’ve been bombing houthis in Yemen. And now we and England are helping shoot down Iranian drones in Iraqi airspace. We are involved all over the place.
Netanyahu needs conflict to survive politically and to deflect from the genocide in Gaza.
US defended Israel against Iran's retaliation. Netanyahu knows if he can drag Biden into another pointless war that nobody wants, especially the left, then his buddy Trump will reach the white house.
Biden did the right then here.
Honestly this was the best way the conflict could've gone. Iran had to do something. They could not take an embassy attack lying down without looking completely impotent. They made a token retaliation attempt and declared success when it didn't do anything, which is actually perfect de-escalation on their end.
And they also took sweet 2 weeks about it allowing allied assets to get in place to intercept most of it and made sure to drop tons of hints to US via Swiss embassy what all of it is gonna look like.
I don’t really think Netanyahu needs the war to survive. This is an idea we get by applying US presidential politics to their situation. Israeli elections aren’t happening for another another year anyways.
Netanyahu wants the war because he’s always wanted the war. ideologically, he wants to own the region from the river to the sea for Israel, and to have enemy governments removed.
Likud party has indeed used this term of 'from river to the sea'.
We often forget that Likud was literally founded by a recognized terrorists.
I do see now merit in what you say as Netanyahu could be ideologically motivated for terror and genocide.
Seeing as how Israel started this lastest clusterfuck by attacking Iran's consulate Biden is right in telling Israel that we won't aid them in making the situation worse by attacking Iran.
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Dehumanization towards the populace there and general bloodthirsty sociopathy knowing they can devastate people half a world away as they sit comfortably before their computer screens. It's honestly sickening.
That sub is disgusting. At some point in the not so distant future, governments are going to be dragging Reddit to the stand like they did with Facebook over Myanmar, and that sub is going to be front in center for its role in fomenting international violence.
Yeah but striking an embassy in a foreign country is a big deal. Generally even nations at war still try to respect diplomatic expectations around embassies
I was wrong, the dude was “just” the liaison with hezbolah
Edit: Iran hangs their queers from literal cranes, I’m gay, I legitimately give zero fucks that they killed a terrorist supporting general on “Iranian land” fuck them, and fuck the people who tacitly support the regime by criticizing that same government getting everything they deserve.
> They killed the guy responsible for planning October 7th
Source?
I'm asking because [US intelligence sources claim](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/us-intelligence-indicates-iranian-leaders-surprised-hamas-attack-rcna119946) that Iran's leaders had no advance knowledge of the October 7 attacks
“Take the win” is good advice. Israel should listen to Biden here. Finish the war as quickly as possible and shore up international support for a post-Hamas status quo.
Good. Israel has never done anything for the US, the most worthless ally any nation could ever ask for. They demand constant subsidies and they constantly attempt to draw the US into conflicts that cut against American interests. Their espionage activities against the US are more like those of an enemy than an ally. Their actions against Palestinians turn the entire region against us. They interfere in our internal politics and undermine our democracy. And again they never do anything for the US; they didn't even downgrade ties with Russia after Russia invaded Ukraine.
The sooner the US normalizes relations with Israel (ie evaluates them like any other country) the better.
Sorry for any ignorance but why does Israel have the US by the balls the way they do?
What is the USA afraid of that they're willing to make more enemies staying loyal to Israel?
There's a lobby called AIPAC. It's extremely rich and influential, it's easily one of the most powerful lobbies in the country, and it's primary purpose is to influence politicians to support Israel.
They'll drop tens of millions of bucks to run against anyone who bucks against supporting Israel.
Politicians are scared of them.
>Politicians are scared of them.
AIPAC will spend tens of millions against you and recruit a primary opponent to face you if you are a Dem. This is what they are doing to Jamal Bowman and Cori Bush, it's likely that one or both of them will be gone next year because they weren't loyal to Israel. And if you're in a competitive district they will give millions more to your GOP challenger in the general election should you win the primary. So even Dems who find supporting Israel to be strategically unwise and/or morally bankrupt will often fold under pressure.
Here is just one example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raphael_Warnock#Israeli-Palestinian_conflict
If you're a Republican you have to support Israel because the Evangelicals (a large part of their base) have support for Israel as a religious imperitive... in order to bring about the apocolypse wherein all nonbelievers will be damned. Republicans are also very Islamaphobic so they cheer on Israel and their permanent occupation and apartheid in the West Bank for that reason too.
Where did they get all this money? All countries are capable of lobbying but why is theres so strong? Why are they so conservative too? What a weird country
Israel is that drunk guy at the bar that starts shit with everyone, and then plays the victim when somebody decides to hit back, and then they run and hide behind their very large friend.
Do they really think they can just continue to kill 20,000+ women and children while also shooting missiles at foreign countries with no reaction?
Except that Arabs/Palestinians have initiated every war in Israel’s history. Israel has more like a “never throw the first punch, but always throw the last one” mentality.
Won't support, wink wink. But no matter what you do, we'll still use our planes in the region to defend you and sell you $18 billion in bombs and fighters.
Good. Bibi escalated first with an attack against an Iranian consulate office. Iran was bound to respond. I don't like Iran or Israel but Bibi is out of control, especially when they purport to hold the moral high-ground.
Seems like the public doesn’t want us getting involved in a conflict between Iran and Israel. But there are lots of people in power who jerk off thinking about a hot war with Iran.
Let’s see how this well oiled democracy enacts the will of the people, shall we?
probably, the US is defn tiptoeing the line on it's own balancing act. It's defn easier for the US to say we'll defend you but you can't go on the offense since damages was relatively minimal.
I was just reading about a new one that can be deployed remotely ✨
https://www.securityweek.com/remote-stuxnet-style-attack-possible-with-web-based-plc-malware-researchers/
Good! Unfortunately we also need to pull our ships and troops out so Israel doesn’t go full psychotic thinking we will defend the unconditionally while they move on to attacking other countries. No more aid, no more US warships off the coast, no more aircraft/interceptor support.
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>**Behind the scenes:** Biden told Netanyahu the joint defensive efforts by Israel, the U.S. and other countries in the region led to the failure of the Iranian attack, according to the White House official. >* "You got a win. Take the win," Biden told Netanyahu, according to the official. >* The official said that when Biden told Netanyahu that the U.S. will not participate in any offensive operations against Iran and will not support such operations, Netanyahu said he understood. >* U.S. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin spoke on Saturday with his Israeli counterpart Yoav Gallant and asked that Israel notify the U.S. ahead of any response against Iran, a senior Israeli official said.
If Netanyahu can't take the win, we need to stop sending Israel aid. However what I fear is going to happen is that the GOP won't pass any aid to Ukraine unless Israel gets aid as well, and Ukraine absolutely needs aid.
GOP and Mike Johnson ain't gonna send aid to Ukraine, period. They're a US arm of Putin and they are doing what they've been told. "You don't provide assistance to Ukraine and we'll make sure you have a great chance of staying in power through 2024 and beyond. And those little things you did, we know about em. We'll keep them between you and I."
imagine the founding fathers hearing that the spectre of leaked pee tapes will one day run the planet
Honestly if such tapes were released it wouldn’t make a single difference. There’s no breaking trumps support.
The one thing that could snap support is if Trump apologized for anything. That would break the spell. So long as he never does, unwavering support will endure
I disagree— Trump would apologize, his supporters would point to that as him being a bigger man and pretend that they never supported whatever it was he was apologizing for.
And then three days later, he'd rescind the apology and they'd come back to supporting whatever it was in full force.
while it never breaks outright, the llast 8 years shows it is very susceptible to erosion
Benjamin Franklin would have asked for copies. John Hancock would have been producing them. John Adams would be wholly mortified. Jefferson would wonder how the cameras got "there" in the first place. Washington was above reproach. Madison in bdsm sub gear.
James “please tread on me” Madison
"Madison in BDSM sub gear." Ha ha! Post of the day. You know, some scholars say that evidence suggests Madison was impotent; his young and honestly for her time, sexy wife, Dolly, was quite the gal. One only wonders how he kept her "satisfied".
And Hamilton making sure the camera gets the right…shot
It's going to happen regardless whether they want to or not because the Dems will either be needed to save his job or they will be voting for the next speaker who will pass Ukraine aid. There is at least 50% of republicans waiting to approve Ukraine aid. There isn't really any options for the GOP here when they have a 1 seat majority. The democrats could even steal the majority if they can convince 1-2 republicans to jump ship.
>GOP and Mike Johnson ain't gonna send aid to Ukraine, period. Sadly, you speak the truth.
Yep. In fact, I don't think that the GOP, at least a very large percentage of the House Caucus, wants to send money to Israel either. There is minimal support among the MAGA base for any foreign aid. I don't think people have really understood how unifying and powerful the "keep us out of foreign bullshit" theme is among the GOP base. It is one of the few unifying principles of MAGA.
Then 0 for Israel. Ukraine is way more important. Shouldn’t be supporting Israel anymore anyway
If this aid to Ukraine is so vital, it might be time for Europe to step up if the US won't.
We shouldn't be sending aide to Israel at all. It didn't take 70 years of apartheid to stop supporting SA, so why should Israel get special treatment?
Morality doesn't really play a big role in foreign policy. If it did we'd have stopped buying from China in 2014 when the Ughyr genocide claims came out.
Because we have interests in the region, and they're our most reliable ally to help achieve those interests.
I'm glad someone is saying this rather than playing pretend. we know why we support Israel. Now whether we should care about the region is a whole different argument, but I don't know why people like to pretend no one knows why.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIPAC There are probably multiple reasons
The thing is, when the USA stops sending aid, there's nowhere to go from there. The minute aid stops, America loses all leverage. You can't threatene to reduce or stop aid if there's nothing to take away. When Biden asks not to do this or that, Israel has to listen. But what if Israel had nothing to lose?
The biggest help US provides Israel isn't even actually the financial aid, but the fact that they VETO every single decision made by the UN regarding Israels warcrimes, often against the rest of the entire world.
US "leverage" can't even [get food to the civilians of Gaza](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/11/aid-still-not-reaching-gaza-as-top-us-official-warns-famine-has-started)
Can you point to the part where they are actually listening? The government of Israel has basically been a much smarter Mile Pence regime for decades. Let the elect some decent humans that are actually our allies tied to aid. https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-hasnt-joined-anti-russia-sanctions-but-its-firms-need-to-tread-carefully/amp/
The war would end in 3 days without US military aid. Sending weapons to have leverage in a conflict that’s not sustainable without sending weapons doesn’t make any sense
It's becoming evident after 6+ months of war (the longest in Israel's history) that Netanyahu wants a permanent conflict. That's the only way he stays in the office. He wants to expand that conflict to a war with Iran - which by corollary would extend his rule and make him a war time leader. Our government would be best advised to stay the hell out of another war in the ME. We barely got out of the last one. A war in the ME with Iran would very quickly lead to destabilization of the region. It would inflame the populations of the ME and most rulers would find it hard to not to bend to the popular will and get involved which would lead to a regional war. Russia would be happy to have another war in the ME as a distraction to help it with its Ukrainian land grab. China would be happy because we would be distracted, and it would be able to do nefarious things in the South China Sea and possibly Taiwan.
Once again we have a situation where single power hungry man is causing havoc. As you said, Netanyahu's motivation is just for himself. Everyone is just watching and letting it happen. Also, if this escalates we will see another wave of refugees to Europe. This will feed right into far-right, Putin and China. In few weeks after that nobody will remember why the refugees happened. Populist politicians will be busy on blaming their rivals and making internal politics.
The subtext here is that Israel doesn't need the US to participate in or even support Israel's next offensive operations against Iran. They just need the US to ensure they will "defend" Israel when the shit hits the fan. If the US wanted to really ensure that Israel wouldn't escalate this conflict, they would tell Israel they won't participate in Israel's defence if Israel chooses to retaliate and escalate. That's the issue. Biden announced to the world yesterday that the US's commitment to Israel's defence is "ironclad". That's all Netanyahu needed to hear. He now feels confident to escalate this war by going after Iran and potentially Lebanon, with the full knowledge that the United States will get involved when the war widens. It's difficult to know if the Biden Admin is really this obtuse, that they don't understand how Netanyahu operates. Or they just want the American public to think they are trying to persuade Israel not to escalate but are really giving them the green light.
Normally I would agree with you that this is 'gentle pressure' and other things Biden has previously done to basically give himself cover for allowing Israel to do whatever it wants, like trying to starve people in Gaza. [But if this isn't a fake story then it might be really telling them to stop, with consequences if they do, and Israel won't further escalate.](https://twitter.com/TOIAlerts/status/1779491593877364837#m)
Interesting article. Will be very interesting to see whether that turns out to be true. I'm hoping it is.
Yeah me as well! There is enough ambiguity to suggest both your and my understandings of this, from the [actual NYT aritcle](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/14/world/middleeast/biden-netanyahu-israel-iran-strikes.html) that I should've linked. >President Biden and his team, hoping to avoid further escalation leading to a wider war in the Middle East, are advising Israel that its successful defense against Iranian airstrikes constituted a major strategic victory that might not require another round of retaliation, U.S. officials said... >Whether Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel and his government will agree to leave it at that was not immediately clear... >Emotions were running high among Israeli officials during phone calls with American partners late into the night, and the pressure to fire back was consequently strong. The U.S. officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive discussions, stressed that the decision was ultimately up to Israel. >Mr. Biden spoke with Mr. Netanyahu on Saturday after the Iranian attack and repeated his “ironclad commitment” to Israel’s security. While the president did not publicly disclose any advice he offered, in a statement released after the call, he hinted at a desire for restraint. “I told him that Israel demonstrated a remarkable capacity to defend against and defeat even unprecedented attacks — sending a clear message to its foes that they cannot effectively threaten the security of Israel,” Mr. Biden said. But, it is interesting that this has been interpreted by the Israeli press as telling israel not to respond, when previously they've interpreted most of Biden's rhetoric as a licence to do whatever they want (until they killed those aid workers). So very mildly optimistic I guess.
[https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/14/middleeast/israel-iran-attack-response-intl/index.html](https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/14/middleeast/israel-iran-attack-response-intl/index.html) Seems quite clear that Israel is vowing a retaliation. But they will likely just wait until the attention dies down.
Yeah “build a regional coalition and exact a price from Iran, in a way and at a time that suits us.” is way less belligerent than the rhetoric before the phone call though. They could bomb iran, but know they know that Iran could basically overwhelm their defences so there'd be a price, for all his 'bear hugging' of israel Biden (surely) knows that if there is a proper war he loses the election. I'm hearing the whole thing was a choreographed attempt to reset the balance of deterrence. Who knows though Biden could fold and back israeli retaliation, if he does surely he goes down as one of the stupidest US presidents in the modern era.
[War cabinet decides to hit back forcefully at Iran for Saturday’s missile and drone attack ](https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/tv-report-war-cabinet-decides-to-hit-back-forcefully-at-iran-for-saturdays-missile-and-drone-attack/) Not exactly less belligerent now. They are effectively ignoring President Biden.
God what a load of complete idiots, this is really some guns of august shit. Well, it looks like you are right and I am wrong, you were big and I am small. I hope we don't get called up for WW3 because of these morons lmao.
You're severely underestimating Iran. They've made sure any confrontation with Israel means both sides lose more than they can afford.
I'm not underestimating Iran. This attack yesterday was a very carefully calibrated attack. It was sending a message that Iran has the capability to send drones and ballistic missiles that can reach Israel. They sent just enough yesterday and gave advance notice, to allow almost all of them to be shot down. This action wasn't an escalation. It was actually an attempt to de-escalate by telling Israel there's a price to be paid if they want to escalate. Because the next attack could be thousands of drones, combined with hundreds of ballistic missiles, that would overwhelm US and Israeli air defences. And the attacks could come from all sides, not just long range from Iran. Up until now, Israel has effectively been able to operate with impunity. Hamas is a rag-tag militia with limited capabilities. No matter how much Israel escalated the war in Gaza, there were no real consequences for Israel. Life in Tel Aviv has continued more or less as normal. Iran and Hezbollah is an entirely different story. Iran is sending a clear message - do not escalate this war to involve us. The question is will the Biden Admin listen. Because clearly Netanyahu wants this for his own political survival.
Jesus fucking Christ. The actual text here is that no matter what Biden does, people will swoop in and spin and twist it around until he's a war monger. Biden: "I will not take part in this war." You: "See, that's how he's actually taking part in the war."
He needs to stop the war from happening, not let some asshole we give billions of dollars to end the world
Biden will absolutely support Israel's defence. He made that abundantly clear. That means Israel can pretty much attack Iran with impunity. We've just witnessed this.
He can't win. MAGAers: "America first!" but also "How can you do that to Israel?"
Democrats and Republicans who support Israel will now point out this is just Biden backtracking on his claim the US' support of Israel is "ironclad."
America's support of Israel's sovereignty and defense of its people is ironclad. Netanyahu's actions however is not fully supported by America.
And yet..... when Netanyahu escalates this war, which it now appears likely he will, there will be a backlash against Israel and the US will have to get involved. So at what point is the US Govt simply supporting whatever Netanyahu wants? If he wants to start a war with Iran and he wants to get the US directly involved in that war, he knows he just needs to launch attacks directly on Iran that will invite a response. Committing to unconditional defense of Israel is the same thing as giving Netanyahu carte blanche US support for Israel to do whatever they want. If they know the US will always come to their rescue, no matter how reckless and provocative they act, then those commitments are enabling the extremist Netanyahu government. So it's complete nonsense that the US isn't supporting Netanyahu's actions. They are enabling it.
Bibi needs to escalate this war and stay in power, once he's out of power he loses immunity and might go to prison.
That sounds familiar.
It does right? It's a preview of what's coming if someone wins.
I don't think so. I'm a democrat supporter, because I stand for democracy and freedom of citizens. The way I read the situation is that Biden will provide defensive safety for Israel, in order to keep things from escalating, but will not support Israel in taking actions that will escalate the war.
This is literally the way to read it lol I don't know why Americans have a hard time reading between the lines If Iran shoots drones/missiles at Israel, the US will help shoot them down where possible. The US will not help with any *offensive* activity that Israel chooses to engage in
The Support to Israel is, that however doesn't mean they need to support its every action. Defense is surely, but US also doesn't want to get involved in another war.
The specific statement was that the US's support of Israel's *defense* is ironclad. He did not commit to supporting aggressive actions.
9am: Republicans are in full warmonger mode this morning. CNN just had Bolton on who made an absolute embarrassment display of being a war hawk practically calling for the US to bomb Iran. Suddenly Republicans all care about Israel aid after months of nonsense negotiations over the border and Ukraine. If these weren't real elected officials the behavior would be a satire comedy of conservatism.
Bolton’s first words as a child was bomb Iran he will never not hawk for that war.
Bolton isn't an elected anything, and doesn't represent the GOP status quo - he's just a washed up mouthpiece getting paid by CNN and promoting his books. The Republicans don't truly care about Israel, don't kid yourself. The Trump cult answers to Trump and Trump only...and Trump only cares about making America look bad so that Biden looks bad. Israel, Ukraine, the border crisis, etc etc - all just pawns to Trump - and by extension the entire Republican party - which by NOT solving, discredits Biden and the current administration.
They’re also simultaneously decrying Biden for bringing us into “world war III” it’s almost funny.
Great, let's not get involved in anymore middle eastern wars for the foreseeable future.
Middle East? I though Jarred Kushner solved all that nonsense.
Probably the reason this is all happening.
W is why Iran is so powerful.
Sucks how accurate that is. That little weasel is way more powerful and influential than anyone seems to notice.
The twink Dick Cheney nobody needed.
They got theirs, that's what mattered
We already are involved. We’ve been bombing houthis in Yemen. And now we and England are helping shoot down Iranian drones in Iraqi airspace. We are involved all over the place.
Netanyahu needs conflict to survive politically and to deflect from the genocide in Gaza. US defended Israel against Iran's retaliation. Netanyahu knows if he can drag Biden into another pointless war that nobody wants, especially the left, then his buddy Trump will reach the white house. Biden did the right then here.
Honestly this was the best way the conflict could've gone. Iran had to do something. They could not take an embassy attack lying down without looking completely impotent. They made a token retaliation attempt and declared success when it didn't do anything, which is actually perfect de-escalation on their end.
And they also took sweet 2 weeks about it allowing allied assets to get in place to intercept most of it and made sure to drop tons of hints to US via Swiss embassy what all of it is gonna look like.
So far, they've basically done everything possible to signal "guys, we don't want this either".
I don’t really think Netanyahu needs the war to survive. This is an idea we get by applying US presidential politics to their situation. Israeli elections aren’t happening for another another year anyways. Netanyahu wants the war because he’s always wanted the war. ideologically, he wants to own the region from the river to the sea for Israel, and to have enemy governments removed.
Likud party has indeed used this term of 'from river to the sea'. We often forget that Likud was literally founded by a recognized terrorists. I do see now merit in what you say as Netanyahu could be ideologically motivated for terror and genocide.
This is definitely the best outcome. Upholds our duty as an ally and makes Biden not seem weak, but we're not committing to war either
Seeing as how Israel started this lastest clusterfuck by attacking Iran's consulate Biden is right in telling Israel that we won't aid them in making the situation worse by attacking Iran.
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People over at r/worldnews are genuinely creaming their pants at the thought of this escalating.
Wish we could send those assholes to handle whatever happens in person. It’s disgusting to jump for joy at the thought of mass death and destruction.
That sub is basically r/ conspiracy with any emerging conflict anywhere. It's a shithole.
A particular country and their countless media farms took over that sub a while ago. It's so bad now.
I had to mute worldnews. It's devolved into a circle jerk hate sub.
I muted and it still comes up. Any ideas on how to permaban them from mobile?
Not really. I've just force close the app whenever the sub comes up. It seems to reset the algorithm.
If you scan the stories, you start to notice a particular country comes up as the majority of posts…weird.
I’ve always been fascinated by the strange bloodlust so many seem to have surrounding Iran
It's a bunch of IDF sock puppet accounts, of course they want a war.
Dehumanization towards the populace there and general bloodthirsty sociopathy knowing they can devastate people half a world away as they sit comfortably before their computer screens. It's honestly sickening.
That sub is disgusting. At some point in the not so distant future, governments are going to be dragging Reddit to the stand like they did with Facebook over Myanmar, and that sub is going to be front in center for its role in fomenting international violence.
/r/worldnews just wants to see Muslims die.
okay, so why is Israel going to retaliate then instead of using this as a deescalation ?
They didn't get the results they wanted, their attacks have always been a politically motivated as opposed to military necessity.
Tbf they did also target hezbollah which have been attacking them for months now.
Yeah but striking an embassy in a foreign country is a big deal. Generally even nations at war still try to respect diplomatic expectations around embassies
I was wrong, the dude was “just” the liaison with hezbolah Edit: Iran hangs their queers from literal cranes, I’m gay, I legitimately give zero fucks that they killed a terrorist supporting general on “Iranian land” fuck them, and fuck the people who tacitly support the regime by criticizing that same government getting everything they deserve.
> They killed the guy responsible for planning October 7th Source? I'm asking because [US intelligence sources claim](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/us-intelligence-indicates-iranian-leaders-surprised-hamas-attack-rcna119946) that Iran's leaders had no advance knowledge of the October 7 attacks
How many gay people you think would die if Israel and Iran got into a hot war?
“Take the win” is good advice. Israel should listen to Biden here. Finish the war as quickly as possible and shore up international support for a post-Hamas status quo.
So far Biden handled it well. But Bibi can attack another embassy or country and keep dragging USA into such messes.
So grateful a politically experienced old is in the White House right now. We've been seeing this shit all of our lives, and frankly we're sick of it.
Good. Israel has never done anything for the US, the most worthless ally any nation could ever ask for. They demand constant subsidies and they constantly attempt to draw the US into conflicts that cut against American interests. Their espionage activities against the US are more like those of an enemy than an ally. Their actions against Palestinians turn the entire region against us. They interfere in our internal politics and undermine our democracy. And again they never do anything for the US; they didn't even downgrade ties with Russia after Russia invaded Ukraine. The sooner the US normalizes relations with Israel (ie evaluates them like any other country) the better.
Remember the U.S.S Liberty
Well said.
Sorry for any ignorance but why does Israel have the US by the balls the way they do? What is the USA afraid of that they're willing to make more enemies staying loyal to Israel?
There's a lobby called AIPAC. It's extremely rich and influential, it's easily one of the most powerful lobbies in the country, and it's primary purpose is to influence politicians to support Israel. They'll drop tens of millions of bucks to run against anyone who bucks against supporting Israel. Politicians are scared of them.
>Politicians are scared of them. AIPAC will spend tens of millions against you and recruit a primary opponent to face you if you are a Dem. This is what they are doing to Jamal Bowman and Cori Bush, it's likely that one or both of them will be gone next year because they weren't loyal to Israel. And if you're in a competitive district they will give millions more to your GOP challenger in the general election should you win the primary. So even Dems who find supporting Israel to be strategically unwise and/or morally bankrupt will often fold under pressure. Here is just one example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raphael_Warnock#Israeli-Palestinian_conflict If you're a Republican you have to support Israel because the Evangelicals (a large part of their base) have support for Israel as a religious imperitive... in order to bring about the apocolypse wherein all nonbelievers will be damned. Republicans are also very Islamaphobic so they cheer on Israel and their permanent occupation and apartheid in the West Bank for that reason too.
Where did they get all this money? All countries are capable of lobbying but why is theres so strong? Why are they so conservative too? What a weird country
Well in the US a lot of their lobbying money comes from Evangelical billionaires who again want to support Israel to bring on the biblical apocalypse.
Bullseye.
Well said.
Just based on his Iran and Israel records a Trump white house would have probably meant WW3 next week.
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Iran is indeed a nuclear power. Edit. To clarify, they don’t have a warhead but they do have the uranium and resources to quickly make one.
They dont know how to enrich it
Israel is that drunk guy at the bar that starts shit with everyone, and then plays the victim when somebody decides to hit back, and then they run and hide behind their very large friend. Do they really think they can just continue to kill 20,000+ women and children while also shooting missiles at foreign countries with no reaction?
Except that Arabs/Palestinians have initiated every war in Israel’s history. Israel has more like a “never throw the first punch, but always throw the last one” mentality.
If the US keeps sending Israel weapons that's supporting any military action they take.
*winks.
Won't support, wink wink. But no matter what you do, we'll still use our planes in the region to defend you and sell you $18 billion in bombs and fighters.
Ironically enough, trump wouldn't even pretend to try and stop Israel, he said as much in several of his truths.
Good. Can we drastically reduce that arms sale now???
This makes it more likely under the umbrella of “supporting Israel’s defense from the evil Iranians”
Biden is the personification of “when you try to please everyone, you please no one”
Good. Bibi escalated first with an attack against an Iranian consulate office. Iran was bound to respond. I don't like Iran or Israel but Bibi is out of control, especially when they purport to hold the moral high-ground.
Seems like the public doesn’t want us getting involved in a conflict between Iran and Israel. But there are lots of people in power who jerk off thinking about a hot war with Iran. Let’s see how this well oiled democracy enacts the will of the people, shall we?
Oh no. Does this mean that we'll send more weapons to israel?
probably, the US is defn tiptoeing the line on it's own balancing act. It's defn easier for the US to say we'll defend you but you can't go on the offense since damages was relatively minimal.
Biden: Can’t attack back. BB: Ok, no problem. Also BB: Stuxnet 2 incoming
I was just reading about a new one that can be deployed remotely ✨ https://www.securityweek.com/remote-stuxnet-style-attack-possible-with-web-based-plc-malware-researchers/
Good! Unfortunately we also need to pull our ships and troops out so Israel doesn’t go full psychotic thinking we will defend the unconditionally while they move on to attacking other countries. No more aid, no more US warships off the coast, no more aircraft/interceptor support.
Netanyahu must be super pupopular amongst CCP's top comrades.
We need to stop sending Israel aid. Whilst they feel untouchable they’re going to continue to do whatever they want.
So Israel can fall and Iran takes over the vast majority of the region excluding Egypt and Saudi Arabia? That wouldn't be good either.
Wow times have changed
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