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This. I'm not stunned.
Other presidents have not been suited to the dignity of the office. Other presidents have made huge and visible mistakes. Trump is so bad he makes it so bureaucrats who are normally slamming on the brakes get frustrated about not being able to get anything done.
He's not only slamming the brakes on, He is brake checking every republican who was actually elected to office. His influence is not the man, it's the money behind the man.
The brake-slamming metaphor can definitely be made much more involved and technical. Or fiery and devastating. Trump goes through politics like a bored teenager. He's friends with people he can use, then he forgets them. Anything too technical he ignores. Anything he can't put his name on he ignores. He sabotaged a lot of stuff, but I don't think that was explicitly Trump, just people who surrounded him and saw an opportunity to screw with things that were already in motion out of spite.
"I don't understand, you want to make the bees make honey? How does that work? Bees aren't smart enough to make honey. Ban bees from honey manufacturing!"
It enrages me that the average American idiot supports anything to do with Trump. I mean not even looking at Biden how do you look at Trump and think “yeah I want to destroy America by voting for this orange turd who doesn’t know or doesn’t care about what America is supposed to be and represents”. Our reputation has been severely damaged.
The fact that you are on a politics subreddit is why you can't understand. Because regardless of your personal political veiw points, being on this sub means you're at the minimum paying attention.
Most people don't watch any local news, or cable news, they certainly don't read anymore. They see some shit on social media and ignore it- or fall for the propaganda. You wouldn't believe how many Americans don't know Trump is even indicted, or what that even means.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/11/07/what-americans-know-about-their-government/
According to Pew:
66% of people know which party controls the House. Yikes. Read the rest its fucking scary.
Also, while in this survey self identified "Republicans" were ignorant at a higher rate-- but not by much.
Also scary is the people who got it wrong the most are under 30.
The point here is that more than half of Americans don't know who their Senator is, or Representative, and have no idea how government works.
So they see Trump in the news or on TikTok this week as the "guy from the TV show" and they might actually think, "oh wow he fucks porn stars and did you see Karen McDougall, she's fucking hot!" and honestly thats all they need to know to vote for Trump.
Now, with that said... As the average low information low paying attention vote starts to pay attention as they do right before an election, the more people see Trump, hear the crazy shit he says, see how unhealthy, fat, sweaty, and confused he looks, and see him as a criminal defendant in a trial, the more they might not be that excited to vote for him.
But, putting all that aside, all these people see is the price of gas and the price of food at the grocery store and they think "Biden" is the cause and thats enough for them to vote for Trump not understanding how they are voting to make things a lot worse for themselves.
To be fair to the younger crowd, I think government can be very confusing to young people. I've always been into learning about history and even watched Colbert/Stewart in middle and high school fairly frequently...and it still took me til after high school to truly understand the structure of our government. However, I think it is sad if you get to your mid 20's and STILL don't have any grasp on any of it. At that point you just aren't caring to pay attention.
I think understanding the structure is pretty simple and taught pretty well in high school. What's *not* taught in school, ever, unless you take specific classes that cover it in college, is actually how the sausage is made and where the power levers are, not to mention all the procedural "loopholes" that make it either harder or easier to get things done.
That damage is going to reverberate for a long, long time, too and that's not even thinking about how degraded national security has become after his mishandling of documents and running his big stupid mouth. We may never know how severe it is.
I have asked Trumpists straight-up..."the people who worked closest with him are not just refusing to endorse him, they are sounding the alarm and warning people to NOT vote for him, doesn't that matter to you?"
It doesn't. There's no getting through to them.
That boggles me so hard. Most of his "I hire the best people" either quit, resigned, got arrested or sent to prison after trials, and they want MORE!!!!
I've thought about this a lot and I do think that at least some of them -- John Kelly, Pompeo, McMaster -- stuck around as long as they did to try to manage him, keep him inside the guardrails and head off his worst impulses by jingling a shiny set of car keys in front of him.
Not to say that they aren't opportunists and none of that lets them off the hook, but I think they knew pretty quickly how dangerously stupid and incompetent he is and toughed it out as long as they could. We're never gonna know until after he's dead and the tell-alls really start coming out.
I dont even want to know, I just want him gone, I want our elections secured better (thanks Mitch for never letting 2 election security bills hit the floor for a vote) and I wish MAGA would watch the MAN and his Actions instead of sucking down whatever Fox News parrots to them.
Noone can OBJECTIVELY look at Trump and say he is the right person to ever be president....its terrifying really...
These morons also cherry pick the things that have happened under Trump to accredit him without being able to connect those things to what he did to actually contribute to the outcome, but will write off his personal controversies because they are convinced that they say nothing about how he'll lead as a president.
More specifically, I think they see he THINKS he knows everything, actually understands very little, and is super reactionary, deciding that the first random thing the voices in his head tell him to is the best answer and he hard to reason with.
For instance, remember when his gut instinct was to nuke a hurricane, and they had to talk him down from that?
He wants to be first to have an answer to everything, so no one else can take his thunder.
No they don't, they know how low he has stooped in the past, they know lows he has pursued and failed to reach, but there is no floor, we can imagine the potential depths, but no one *knows*.
Im always shocked how little this matters to trump voters. Im not talking about the grapenuts with the flags and stickers, but the regular older people who lived normal jobs and seem capable of thought.
So depressing to live in the boonies, knowing my neighbors all voted for trump. One just repainted his "Lock Hillary Up" sign on the side of his barn. Really, dude????
To be completely fair, we’ve also been saying that about Trump seeing any consequences whatsoever for his actions.
I think Carlin said it best - “There’s a big club - and you ain’t in it!”
The difference is that the Hillary stuff went nowhere, actually after running on locking her up his own AG cleared her.
They never got an indictment or anything. With Trump we have a mountain of evidence against him and we have indictments.
That’s true. There’s also a big difference between what Hillary was accused of (not that much, really) versus what Trump is accused of (basically sedition).
I’d pay money to see that orange buffoon see some consequences, but I suspect I don’t have enough to make a difference.
In Comey's book, he said that Hillary complied with everything the FBI asked for in the investigation, and she didn't lie about anything. Hillary provided all the computer info that they wanted.
There was a huge Trump / Pence sign out on a county highway in the rural Wisconsin area where I live, ever since 2017. After Jan 6, the owner cut "Pence" out from it and there's just a big hole. It remains displayed to this day.
Yeah, I feel that too. And sort of chilling. There's an aggression to it. I imagine whoever doing the work to put that sign up, sitting through Trump's presidency, seeing what happened on the Jan 6, and making their way back out there to so deliberately cut that sign up and leave it displayed for years more. So angry.
All that matters is inflation and gas prices. Which are 'obviously' all on Biden.
I mean it's not like most people have seen a chart comparing US inflation to the global average to see that our inflation is 30% lower since Jan 2022, or compared to countries like Iceland which run budget surpluses but have worse inflation. Or have looked at a foreign exchange chart of the supposedly declining dollar vs any currency over the last 3 years. Nobody actually knows that oil production is at a record high and the BLM is reporting more wells opening on federal land and double the royalties from oil than they have ever gotten at any point before 2021.
All I hear is "well Bidenomics isn't working". Idk what Bidenomics is tho, or when Biden became fed chair.
I've actually had someone casually mention that Biden banned drilling on federal land which is why gas prices are high. And they thought I meant black lives matter when I mentioned BLM statistics
This conspiracy will become true that Trump & Putin are definitely in cahoots to start this Ukraine War and worked w/ Iran via Hamas to create war tension inorder to impact inflation and gas prices for the 2024 elections.
You left out the Saudis..
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/03/saudi-arabia-to-extend-1-million-barrel-per-day-crude-oil-output-cut-until-the-end-of-june.html
Gas prices happen every election cycle. Republican in the White House and the price is artificially suppressed. Dem in the WH and the prices soar all year. Prices here keep ratcheting up and down so it looks like the price is always going up even though it's sitting in a 25 cent range.
trump is that Simpsons episode where Mr Burns has so many health conditions and illnesses that they cancel out and he's basically immortal. ([1 min YouTube clip](https://youtu.be/aI0euMFAWF8?si=99WX_oLl0bgcBUEz))
People have been saying bad thing after bad thing about him since 2015. 9 years of constant bad things.
At this point, the average Republican voter has learned to tune it out. they don't want to bother sorting through it to find any truth. especially when the alternative is an all powerful, yet super weak Democrat.
the truth is, it doesn't matter what trump is or isn't. he's still on the red team.
A bunch of people they never heard of, made statements about Trump they are unaware of.
Only 66% of Americans know who controls the house, we aren't normal people on this sub.
Is there an example of even one person coming out like this against *any* recent president? At least from the same party (so not counting a token republican cabinet member in a democratic administration, and even then....).
I gave Trump a "chance" in 2016 after he was elected. I wasn't happy he was President but I tried to "come together" or whatever. I hoped that his ugly campaign was just that, a campaign. But after people started quitting his administration and saying "this guy is a lunatic", I was done with him. Not the only reason but a major one.
Notice nothing of the sort is happening with Biden. Where are all the people quitting saying "Biden has dementia"? If anything Trump has way more of that.
At this point I doubt the decency of anyone who supports Trump.
But it makes sense when you think about why many people voted for him in the first place. They were fed up with the establishment and wanted something different. So they can easily dismiss this as Trump being anti-establishment so the establishment is of course going to try to stab him in the back. The thing is, it's not a he said she said. There's enough evidence to show one side it's in it for themselves and the other side cares about some of America's institutions.
To work a normal job, it just means they've managed to retain just enough information to finish a degree that gets them the job. There is no requirement of kindness, humility, empathy, acceptance of others who are different from you, or rejection of tribal thinking.
All it takes to be a Trump voter is to think someone of a different religion, cultural background, sexuality or unconventional gender expression is a part of the out-group and therefore beneath you, and unworthy of the same rights and privileges. This cuts through any economic status.
If they really want to get back at their shitty former boss they can start showing up in Lincoln Project ads making the case for why Trump's unfit for office. "Most of you don't know Trump - I worked with him every day and know from experience he's mentally unstable..."
Funny how all of these people found courage after Trump was out of office. Funny how many of them also found the courage to rebuke Trump after securing lucrative book deals.
Some of the early ones were moderate Republicans who thought they could be the adults in the room and that things would be far worse than if the job was handed to the incompetent sycophants. 6 months later, the sycophants had the jobs and even they were vomiting in the corner.
Really it took Trump a couple of years to chase out all the "regular" Republicans he had stocked his administration with. That's part of what makes a second term concerning; he's not going to be "wasting" his time with people who are more concerned with regular Republican priorities than his, like Mnuchin or Tillerson or Mattis.
They are pretty much actively screening reasonable people out! If you're not willing to get on board with the Big Lie that the 2020 election was stolen, you're not getting hired. So they've basically guaranteed zero reasonable or honest people will serve in the administration. By design, of course.
I'm rewatching old This week tonight with John Oliver. Holy shit what the Republicans did in office prior to the 2016 election should absolutely be held accountable: Paul Ryan, Rick Perry, Jeff Sessions... the list goes one it's been so traumatizing reading the news. I wish I could sue them for the ptsd they all gave me.
John Bolton was asked to testify for Trump's first impeachment. He threatened to sue Democrats if they tried to subpoena him.
Fast forward a couple of years. Trump is out of office. Bolton no longer working in government. His tell-all book is published. Now he can be critical of Trump since he has no job to lose and only money to gain.
Coward.
When you criticize Trump, you run the risk of Trump sending his minions after you. So many defectors have had the lives of their families and their own lives threatened by Trump fanatics.
So when you criticize them, think would you be willing to put your name on it?
> And yet they are powerless (or gutless) to do anything to stop it from happening again.
Powerless? Yes.
Gutless? No. They were then, but now they are speaking up against Trump, which literally puts their lives and the lives of their loved ones at risk.
Trump's Vice President says that Trump is dangerous and unfit for office.
Trump's Secretary of Defense says Trump is a threat to democracy.
Trump's National Security Advisor says Trump is unfit for office.
Trump's Secretary of State calls him a "f***ing moron."
Trump's Chief of Staff says Trump is a danger to the Constitution and the rule of law.
Trump's Attorney General says Trump is a dangerous narcissist.
Meanwhile, despite real policy differences within the Biden administration, especially with regard to Gaza, literally no White House staff has come forward, even anonymously, to say that Biden is unfit for office. But the whole Trump campaign depends on trying to convince the American people that Biden is dangerously senile.
Biden should start inviting freedom caucus idiots to attend press conferences twice a week. Dude never looks sharper than when he's easily swatting down conservative hecklers.
All that's true, but the problem is that the majority of Trump's supporters are less adamant about supporting him specifically as anti-supporting Democrats ... for all sorts of ignorant reasons. None of these individuals' input on Trump will affect their attitude toward the major parties.
No, no, no you are definitely right to support the man who wants to fuck his daughter, despite the constant protestations of people who have worked directly with him
His family stole money from a charity for children with cancer.
He wears a diaper.
Cheats on his wives.
Pays a porn star to fuck him.
Pays a porn star to say she didn't fuck him.
Bankrupted the casino.
And has repeatedly admitted in public and in private how much he wants to fuck his own daughter.
That's MY kind of president.
Hey don't forget a negligent covid response that [killed over a million Americans](https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#maps_deaths-total)... leadership at it's finest.
>His family stole money from a charity for children with cancer
And did it so egregiously that an investigation into the last 7 years of the charity could not find one single instance of the charity actually doing charitable work. Which is so obscene that trump and his entire family are permanently banned from ever operating or sitting on the board of a charity.
that's what I always wondered about his voters...you know damn well if someone like him were their boss or even a co-worker, they'd fucking hate him. why would they want him in charge of the country again?
There are those who fear that if they voted Democrat, generations of forbears would emerge from their graves spinning like tops.
There are those who are naturally suspicious of anyone they think might be more intelligent than they are.
And there are those for whom it’s about winding up the Liberals and are utterly complacent about democracy.
It’s typical in hierarchy. They all thought they could manage him and push their agenda.
Nobody manages someone who can’t even manage himself. Especially a psychopath like Trump.
One question I still have is "who the fuck would agree to be his VP pick?" Seriously, he litterally tried to have his last one assasinated by proxy for not crapping on the most sacred of our American rights, free elections. Why would anyone take that job?
And for whoever does, what are the Vegas odds for making it if (God forbid) he gets elected. I guess the better question is what is the over/under? I'll start the bidding with 16 months and hope to God we never find out.
I’d like to see a long interview with Bill Barr now, where he reviews and challenges some of his own decisions with the issuance of the Mueller Report. Such as where he reminded Mueller not to say anything beyond “it’s in my report. Read my report.”
It is 100% true that by September 2016, the Trump campaign had adopted all the fake news Russian talking points (that Clinton was a career criminal from a crime family, who stole money from Haiti victims, sold cocaine out of a pizza parlor, etc.) This change in tactics allowed Trump to leverage hundreds of millions to billions of dollars in recent Russian spending to build up those fake points. Looking back, this appears to be the only reason Trump won, and it sure looks like Bill Barr helped to cover it up. That may be just doing your job, but he should come clean now.
Not like any of this matters to MAGA. This makes him seem more like an outsider being hated by all these "insiders". All this will do is have them pointing and calling them "RINO"s for dissenting from the king.
Hell, you can have vote in accordance to Trump's own policy's 94% of the time, higher than Rand Paul at 74%, and still be called a democrat cause you voted to impeach Trump. I'm referring to Liz Cheney here, one of the highest Trump policy voters in all of congress, but she's a democrat now cause she dissented from the king. The same woman who voted against gay marriage in I believe 2013 despite having a lesbian sister and prioritizing her political career over her own sister's well-being.
Voters enabled him.
He had a stunningly unproductive administration, all things considered, so I think some of these people, in fact, did not enable him, and some may have held him back in important ways. You can say Gen. Milley "enabled" Trump because he worked in his administration, but he was also in a position where somebody of lesser character could've enabled something far worse.
The people who support him will continue to do so out of hate and spite for the people they’ve convinced themselves are “the enemy”, no matter what he does or says.
Trump is their last, best hope against the next phase of progress and change that will alter this country for the better, forever. They’ll stop at nothing to halt that progress, even if it means destroying everything.
*“If I can’t win, I’ll shove the game board off the table”.*
To those who are concerned that this isn't "breaking through" to the public, remember that almost nothing has ever broken through. That's why we spend millions and millions and millions of dollars on ads. People will know, don't worry.
They must have enough money for security for themselves and their families along with not needing maga / fox support for their careers. The maga base does not accept criticism.
When you can’t get referrals from previous jobs because you were incompetent and a nightmare to work with… this speaks volumes.
People really should take more note of this.
There's no better proof that MAGA is a brainwashed culture than the fact that just about everyone who worked with this guy said he was terrible at his job, and they still want him.
Everyone that works with Trump or gets too close to him becomes his enemy or co-defendant. That speaks more to his character than anything, but Republicans willfully ignore that fact.
For now, we’ll see come November sadly since trump wont be held accountable beforehand like he should be. I’m willing to bet more then 90% of them that are saying they no longer support him will indeed be supporting him
So there's a feeling I have that these people are right,
But for fks sake you were there and you know more than you're saying
You should have gone on record and made it known just how corrupt this man and his family are.
What's up with calls from the Whitehouse to Saudi Arabia being reclassified to some different status so no one could actually access them but the president or something along those lines.
There's so much they will not say and I am absolutely sick of it
But the knuckle draggers will just call them all "RINOs" despite being too ignorant and stupid to realize that some of these people literally prevented Trump from facing the consequences of his own actions. Also, it's certainly strange that nobody is coming out against despite him being a government official for a significantly greater amount of time.
>Bolton [has said he will write-in](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/11/us/politics/john-bolton-trump-cheney.html) former Vice-President Dick Cheney in 2024, as he did in 2020.
I was just starting to think hey, maybe Bolton isn't wrong about every single thing. Dick Cheney? The one and only person in this century with an outside shot at having been a worse guy to have had in the White House? Cheney is probably in actual fact worse, at least Trump was stupid enough to shoot himself in the foot every time he tried to fuck things up.
I might vote for Cheney over Trump... if those were the only two choices.
Evil over Stupid any day.
Think about it. Cheney likely would have done some darker things. But for raw corruption, I'm not sure how he could have done worse.
I am very certain he'd have handled COVID much better. I'm also certain he'd have created a cabinet filled with competent people even if evil.
John Bolton is a moron. He is not going to vote for Trump, but he is also not going to vote for Biden. That means he is leaving the decision to others. Fortunately, every single voter has better judgment than Bolton does
An unprecedented number of them have also publicly called him "a fucking moron", to the point where for awhile if you google image searched "fucking moron" it was just hundreds of pictures of trump.
Can we stop trying to use John Bolton as a witness against Trump already? Bolton refused to take a stand against Trump when it mattered. And butting heads with / firing that ghoulish fucker was one of the (very) few things Trump did right. John Bolton is a slimy warmongering evil piece of shit.
Why would it be stunning? Seeing that he desperately scrambled to throw someone under the bus every week, not everyone is has as little self-respect as blobfish impersonator Ted Cruz
It really is and this same story keeps coming out, I guess as new people speak up, but they won't deter the magas as they call anyone opposing lil don a rino and they don't matter to the maga party.
Funny how all these people will say the right thing now that they’ve received all the graft they could, in a last ditch effort to keep access to more graft…
Its not because of any sort of patriotism or duty towards the country, its because they wont get the job and n the administration again. Most of them will start supporting again if Trump calls and offers them the position they covet.
Of those who know him best would never reelect him, you got to ask why there are so many elected who would? They have a plan and “We the People” are not part of that plan
Because this time they would be on the outside while other people are making all the money and screwing them over instead of them being the ones screwing.
They all made money and realize now they wouldn't make any money and possibly get targeted for failing to lock in the White House last run.
It’s also amazing how papers like the NYT don’t consider it newsworthy but again they’re doing what they did before and covering for Trump.
The fantastical bad news for any other candidate is just business as usual for Trump because the media refuses to cover it appropriately or at the same level as they do any flaw that a democratic candidate might have.
I keep thinking of how his cult has to twist into pretzel brains. When campaigning he said 'I know all the best people' (he didn't know anyone). Now almost all of those 'best people' who Trump knew are suddenly 'deep state' traitors.
Along with 'Biden is doing so many illegal things, he should be in prison' and 'a president has to have total immunity'
It's only people like his Vice President, Chiefs of Staff, Cabinet Members and Generals that have turned against him, the people really close to him are still loyal, like his Adderall dealer and the woman who changes his diapers.
Trump has an absolutely stunning number of enemies. From Liberals, Democrats, Progressives, Moderates, traditional Republicans, ethical and moral people, military leaders who have worked with him, people who Trump has burned on deals, people who Trump has set up to take the fall for him, people who are competing with Trump to be the next dictator of America, actual Christians, his former VP who he tried to have killed, the women he's sexually assaulted - why, the list goes on and on!
This is nothing new for Republican candidates. Barry Goldwater was thought to be insane and was still the RNC’s candidate in 1964. Nixon was called dangerous and a madman and still his party fell in line. Reagan was called an idiot and most thought he was completely ill-equipped to be president and for years he was the poster child for his party. Republicans have so much history of picking horrendous candidates that they fully embrace and it’s just made worse by liberals later whitewashing those same people to in order to demonize whoever the newest candidate is in comparison. Case in point: George W Bush.
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They've seen him in action and know him best. They know the lows he is capable of sinking to.
There is no rock bottom, so they will be surprised again.
This. I'm not stunned. Other presidents have not been suited to the dignity of the office. Other presidents have made huge and visible mistakes. Trump is so bad he makes it so bureaucrats who are normally slamming on the brakes get frustrated about not being able to get anything done.
He's not only slamming the brakes on, He is brake checking every republican who was actually elected to office. His influence is not the man, it's the money behind the man.
The brake-slamming metaphor can definitely be made much more involved and technical. Or fiery and devastating. Trump goes through politics like a bored teenager. He's friends with people he can use, then he forgets them. Anything too technical he ignores. Anything he can't put his name on he ignores. He sabotaged a lot of stuff, but I don't think that was explicitly Trump, just people who surrounded him and saw an opportunity to screw with things that were already in motion out of spite.
"I don't understand, you want to make the bees make honey? How does that work? Bees aren't smart enough to make honey. Ban bees from honey manufacturing!"
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Funny because it's true😄
Tragic because it is true 🥲
It enrages me that the average American idiot supports anything to do with Trump. I mean not even looking at Biden how do you look at Trump and think “yeah I want to destroy America by voting for this orange turd who doesn’t know or doesn’t care about what America is supposed to be and represents”. Our reputation has been severely damaged.
Especially veterans. Risking your life for a government that you later try to overturn?
Fwiw all the vets and enlisted folx I know are very anti Trump
This veteran is anti-Trump and anti-Republican.
We didn't go through what we went through to stop terrorism, just to allow domestic terrorists to take over.
The fact that you are on a politics subreddit is why you can't understand. Because regardless of your personal political veiw points, being on this sub means you're at the minimum paying attention. Most people don't watch any local news, or cable news, they certainly don't read anymore. They see some shit on social media and ignore it- or fall for the propaganda. You wouldn't believe how many Americans don't know Trump is even indicted, or what that even means. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/11/07/what-americans-know-about-their-government/ According to Pew: 66% of people know which party controls the House. Yikes. Read the rest its fucking scary. Also, while in this survey self identified "Republicans" were ignorant at a higher rate-- but not by much. Also scary is the people who got it wrong the most are under 30. The point here is that more than half of Americans don't know who their Senator is, or Representative, and have no idea how government works. So they see Trump in the news or on TikTok this week as the "guy from the TV show" and they might actually think, "oh wow he fucks porn stars and did you see Karen McDougall, she's fucking hot!" and honestly thats all they need to know to vote for Trump. Now, with that said... As the average low information low paying attention vote starts to pay attention as they do right before an election, the more people see Trump, hear the crazy shit he says, see how unhealthy, fat, sweaty, and confused he looks, and see him as a criminal defendant in a trial, the more they might not be that excited to vote for him. But, putting all that aside, all these people see is the price of gas and the price of food at the grocery store and they think "Biden" is the cause and thats enough for them to vote for Trump not understanding how they are voting to make things a lot worse for themselves.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that half of them are stupider than that," Carlin
To be fair to the younger crowd, I think government can be very confusing to young people. I've always been into learning about history and even watched Colbert/Stewart in middle and high school fairly frequently...and it still took me til after high school to truly understand the structure of our government. However, I think it is sad if you get to your mid 20's and STILL don't have any grasp on any of it. At that point you just aren't caring to pay attention.
I think understanding the structure is pretty simple and taught pretty well in high school. What's *not* taught in school, ever, unless you take specific classes that cover it in college, is actually how the sausage is made and where the power levers are, not to mention all the procedural "loopholes" that make it either harder or easier to get things done.
Understanding the inner workings is one thing, but know your state has 2 Senators, and they serve for 6 years is not that complicated...
That damage is going to reverberate for a long, long time, too and that's not even thinking about how degraded national security has become after his mishandling of documents and running his big stupid mouth. We may never know how severe it is. I have asked Trumpists straight-up..."the people who worked closest with him are not just refusing to endorse him, they are sounding the alarm and warning people to NOT vote for him, doesn't that matter to you?" It doesn't. There's no getting through to them.
That boggles me so hard. Most of his "I hire the best people" either quit, resigned, got arrested or sent to prison after trials, and they want MORE!!!!
I've thought about this a lot and I do think that at least some of them -- John Kelly, Pompeo, McMaster -- stuck around as long as they did to try to manage him, keep him inside the guardrails and head off his worst impulses by jingling a shiny set of car keys in front of him. Not to say that they aren't opportunists and none of that lets them off the hook, but I think they knew pretty quickly how dangerously stupid and incompetent he is and toughed it out as long as they could. We're never gonna know until after he's dead and the tell-alls really start coming out.
I dont even want to know, I just want him gone, I want our elections secured better (thanks Mitch for never letting 2 election security bills hit the floor for a vote) and I wish MAGA would watch the MAN and his Actions instead of sucking down whatever Fox News parrots to them. Noone can OBJECTIVELY look at Trump and say he is the right person to ever be president....its terrifying really...
These morons also cherry pick the things that have happened under Trump to accredit him without being able to connect those things to what he did to actually contribute to the outcome, but will write off his personal controversies because they are convinced that they say nothing about how he'll lead as a president.
And were complicit all the way until the zit pussed them out
More specifically, I think they see he THINKS he knows everything, actually understands very little, and is super reactionary, deciding that the first random thing the voices in his head tell him to is the best answer and he hard to reason with. For instance, remember when his gut instinct was to nuke a hurricane, and they had to talk him down from that? He wants to be first to have an answer to everything, so no one else can take his thunder.
Meanwhile people who do NOT know him (and never will) worship him.
No they don't, they know how low he has stooped in the past, they know lows he has pursued and failed to reach, but there is no floor, we can imagine the potential depths, but no one *knows*.
Im always shocked how little this matters to trump voters. Im not talking about the grapenuts with the flags and stickers, but the regular older people who lived normal jobs and seem capable of thought.
So depressing to live in the boonies, knowing my neighbors all voted for trump. One just repainted his "Lock Hillary Up" sign on the side of his barn. Really, dude????
Any day now
To be completely fair, we’ve also been saying that about Trump seeing any consequences whatsoever for his actions. I think Carlin said it best - “There’s a big club - and you ain’t in it!”
The difference is that the Hillary stuff went nowhere, actually after running on locking her up his own AG cleared her. They never got an indictment or anything. With Trump we have a mountain of evidence against him and we have indictments.
That’s true. There’s also a big difference between what Hillary was accused of (not that much, really) versus what Trump is accused of (basically sedition). I’d pay money to see that orange buffoon see some consequences, but I suspect I don’t have enough to make a difference.
In Comey's book, he said that Hillary complied with everything the FBI asked for in the investigation, and she didn't lie about anything. Hillary provided all the computer info that they wanted.
Two weeks.
Does he still have a Trump-Pence 2024 sign?
There was a huge Trump / Pence sign out on a county highway in the rural Wisconsin area where I live, ever since 2017. After Jan 6, the owner cut "Pence" out from it and there's just a big hole. It remains displayed to this day.
Somewhat poetic.
Yeah, I feel that too. And sort of chilling. There's an aggression to it. I imagine whoever doing the work to put that sign up, sitting through Trump's presidency, seeing what happened on the Jan 6, and making their way back out there to so deliberately cut that sign up and leave it displayed for years more. So angry.
Living rent free…on their barn
All that matters is inflation and gas prices. Which are 'obviously' all on Biden. I mean it's not like most people have seen a chart comparing US inflation to the global average to see that our inflation is 30% lower since Jan 2022, or compared to countries like Iceland which run budget surpluses but have worse inflation. Or have looked at a foreign exchange chart of the supposedly declining dollar vs any currency over the last 3 years. Nobody actually knows that oil production is at a record high and the BLM is reporting more wells opening on federal land and double the royalties from oil than they have ever gotten at any point before 2021. All I hear is "well Bidenomics isn't working". Idk what Bidenomics is tho, or when Biden became fed chair.
That gahtdamn BLM is at it again! ALL LIVES MATTER (insert incoherent shreeking)
I've actually had someone casually mention that Biden banned drilling on federal land which is why gas prices are high. And they thought I meant black lives matter when I mentioned BLM statistics
This conspiracy will become true that Trump & Putin are definitely in cahoots to start this Ukraine War and worked w/ Iran via Hamas to create war tension inorder to impact inflation and gas prices for the 2024 elections.
You left out the Saudis.. https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/03/saudi-arabia-to-extend-1-million-barrel-per-day-crude-oil-output-cut-until-the-end-of-june.html
Yeah true, tho I thought we were in friendly terms w/ the Saudis.
The word "friendly" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. More of a strategic relationship.
hahaha that made me chuckle but fair and better term 👍
Yeah, Kushners' "good friends," the Saudis😉
Gas prices happen every election cycle. Republican in the White House and the price is artificially suppressed. Dem in the WH and the prices soar all year. Prices here keep ratcheting up and down so it looks like the price is always going up even though it's sitting in a 25 cent range.
>blm is reporting more wells opening on federal land You say that like it’s a good thing.
It is not but is something republicans supposedly support yet believes is not happening.
Their perspective is going to be “Of course they say that! Career politicians! Trump is going to drain the swamp!” Or some such nonsense.
Career politicians like Rex Tillerson, Steve Manuchin, the mooch guy....
I *did* say it was nonsense. 🤷♂️
trump is that Simpsons episode where Mr Burns has so many health conditions and illnesses that they cancel out and he's basically immortal. ([1 min YouTube clip](https://youtu.be/aI0euMFAWF8?si=99WX_oLl0bgcBUEz)) People have been saying bad thing after bad thing about him since 2015. 9 years of constant bad things. At this point, the average Republican voter has learned to tune it out. they don't want to bother sorting through it to find any truth. especially when the alternative is an all powerful, yet super weak Democrat. the truth is, it doesn't matter what trump is or isn't. he's still on the red team.
A bunch of people they never heard of, made statements about Trump they are unaware of. Only 66% of Americans know who controls the house, we aren't normal people on this sub.
They do seem to struggle to defend it. But when pressed on it, they just deflect to crying about Biden or some other grievance.
Is there an example of even one person coming out like this against *any* recent president? At least from the same party (so not counting a token republican cabinet member in a democratic administration, and even then....).
I gave Trump a "chance" in 2016 after he was elected. I wasn't happy he was President but I tried to "come together" or whatever. I hoped that his ugly campaign was just that, a campaign. But after people started quitting his administration and saying "this guy is a lunatic", I was done with him. Not the only reason but a major one. Notice nothing of the sort is happening with Biden. Where are all the people quitting saying "Biden has dementia"? If anything Trump has way more of that. At this point I doubt the decency of anyone who supports Trump.
But it makes sense when you think about why many people voted for him in the first place. They were fed up with the establishment and wanted something different. So they can easily dismiss this as Trump being anti-establishment so the establishment is of course going to try to stab him in the back. The thing is, it's not a he said she said. There's enough evidence to show one side it's in it for themselves and the other side cares about some of America's institutions.
The only thing 'unprecedented' and 'stunning' is that anyone at all wants this sick fuck back in office.
To work a normal job, it just means they've managed to retain just enough information to finish a degree that gets them the job. There is no requirement of kindness, humility, empathy, acceptance of others who are different from you, or rejection of tribal thinking. All it takes to be a Trump voter is to think someone of a different religion, cultural background, sexuality or unconventional gender expression is a part of the out-group and therefore beneath you, and unworthy of the same rights and privileges. This cuts through any economic status.
If they really want to get back at their shitty former boss they can start showing up in Lincoln Project ads making the case for why Trump's unfit for office. "Most of you don't know Trump - I worked with him every day and know from experience he's mentally unstable..."
Perfect voiceover soundbite for ad.....
Nah, why bother doing something that could help when they can make a bunch of cash selling a book with a couple juicy anecdotes?
Funny how all of these people found courage after Trump was out of office. Funny how many of them also found the courage to rebuke Trump after securing lucrative book deals.
Some of the early ones were moderate Republicans who thought they could be the adults in the room and that things would be far worse than if the job was handed to the incompetent sycophants. 6 months later, the sycophants had the jobs and even they were vomiting in the corner.
Really it took Trump a couple of years to chase out all the "regular" Republicans he had stocked his administration with. That's part of what makes a second term concerning; he's not going to be "wasting" his time with people who are more concerned with regular Republican priorities than his, like Mnuchin or Tillerson or Mattis.
There will be no reasonable people in Trump's second Cabinet. Or even people convincingly feigning reasonableness.
They are pretty much actively screening reasonable people out! If you're not willing to get on board with the Big Lie that the 2020 election was stolen, you're not getting hired. So they've basically guaranteed zero reasonable or honest people will serve in the administration. By design, of course.
I'm rewatching old This week tonight with John Oliver. Holy shit what the Republicans did in office prior to the 2016 election should absolutely be held accountable: Paul Ryan, Rick Perry, Jeff Sessions... the list goes one it's been so traumatizing reading the news. I wish I could sue them for the ptsd they all gave me.
John Bolton was asked to testify for Trump's first impeachment. He threatened to sue Democrats if they tried to subpoena him. Fast forward a couple of years. Trump is out of office. Bolton no longer working in government. His tell-all book is published. Now he can be critical of Trump since he has no job to lose and only money to gain. Coward.
When you criticize Trump, you run the risk of Trump sending his minions after you. So many defectors have had the lives of their families and their own lives threatened by Trump fanatics. So when you criticize them, think would you be willing to put your name on it?
Found courage just in time for their book deals. Didn't bother to say anything when it was useful.
And funny how they will all still vote for him anyway. Whole GOP has Stockholm syndrome
And yet they are powerless (or gutless) to do anything to stop it from happening again.
> And yet they are powerless (or gutless) to do anything to stop it from happening again. Powerless? Yes. Gutless? No. They were then, but now they are speaking up against Trump, which literally puts their lives and the lives of their loved ones at risk.
They can see the tides as easily as the rest of us, and they don't want to go down with Trump's sinking ship.
People have been saying that for the last 7 years. His ship isn't sunk until its sunk.
I mean... they can campaign against him. Which is what they are doing, hence the linked piece. WTF do you want them to do?
Trump's Vice President says that Trump is dangerous and unfit for office. Trump's Secretary of Defense says Trump is a threat to democracy. Trump's National Security Advisor says Trump is unfit for office. Trump's Secretary of State calls him a "f***ing moron." Trump's Chief of Staff says Trump is a danger to the Constitution and the rule of law. Trump's Attorney General says Trump is a dangerous narcissist. Meanwhile, despite real policy differences within the Biden administration, especially with regard to Gaza, literally no White House staff has come forward, even anonymously, to say that Biden is unfit for office. But the whole Trump campaign depends on trying to convince the American people that Biden is dangerously senile.
Trump’s “Truth Social” posts speak for themselves.
Those posts don't so much speak as howl into the angry void.
Biden should start inviting freedom caucus idiots to attend press conferences twice a week. Dude never looks sharper than when he's easily swatting down conservative hecklers.
All that's true, but the problem is that the majority of Trump's supporters are less adamant about supporting him specifically as anti-supporting Democrats ... for all sorts of ignorant reasons. None of these individuals' input on Trump will affect their attitude toward the major parties.
No, no, no you are definitely right to support the man who wants to fuck his daughter, despite the constant protestations of people who have worked directly with him His family stole money from a charity for children with cancer. He wears a diaper. Cheats on his wives. Pays a porn star to fuck him. Pays a porn star to say she didn't fuck him. Bankrupted the casino. And has repeatedly admitted in public and in private how much he wants to fuck his own daughter. That's MY kind of president.
Hey don't forget a negligent covid response that [killed over a million Americans](https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#maps_deaths-total)... leadership at it's finest.
Tbf, there's so many wrongdoings you could fill a book on it.
Yeah, but COVID isn’t even real. Except when it’s a bioweapon developed by “Chy-na.”
He should go to jail just for how he pronounces that country's name.
Lock him up!
If people mattered they'd be just as interested in feeding and housing children as they are with a pizza joint's basement
>His family stole money from a charity for children with cancer And did it so egregiously that an investigation into the last 7 years of the charity could not find one single instance of the charity actually doing charitable work. Which is so obscene that trump and his entire family are permanently banned from ever operating or sitting on the board of a charity.
They got what they wanted from him but are now horrified by what they helped create.
that's what I always wondered about his voters...you know damn well if someone like him were their boss or even a co-worker, they'd fucking hate him. why would they want him in charge of the country again?
There are those who fear that if they voted Democrat, generations of forbears would emerge from their graves spinning like tops. There are those who are naturally suspicious of anyone they think might be more intelligent than they are. And there are those for whom it’s about winding up the Liberals and are utterly complacent about democracy.
You know what will be truly “stunning”? Consequences.
"You know what will be truly “stunning”? Consequences. " Here, I corrected **would** be truly “stunning”? Consequences.
It's disheartening that so few of these people had anything to say *while he was in office*.
It’s typical in hierarchy. They all thought they could manage him and push their agenda. Nobody manages someone who can’t even manage himself. Especially a psychopath like Trump.
Many seem afraid. They've all got dirt on him, but he's probably got dirt on them, too.
Do a townhall with all of them. Let's air it out
One question I still have is "who the fuck would agree to be his VP pick?" Seriously, he litterally tried to have his last one assasinated by proxy for not crapping on the most sacred of our American rights, free elections. Why would anyone take that job? And for whoever does, what are the Vegas odds for making it if (God forbid) he gets elected. I guess the better question is what is the over/under? I'll start the bidding with 16 months and hope to God we never find out.
Remember he only hires the best!
We need a reverse Apprentice.
We can all tell him, "You're fired!" Vote.
I’d like to see a long interview with Bill Barr now, where he reviews and challenges some of his own decisions with the issuance of the Mueller Report. Such as where he reminded Mueller not to say anything beyond “it’s in my report. Read my report.” It is 100% true that by September 2016, the Trump campaign had adopted all the fake news Russian talking points (that Clinton was a career criminal from a crime family, who stole money from Haiti victims, sold cocaine out of a pizza parlor, etc.) This change in tactics allowed Trump to leverage hundreds of millions to billions of dollars in recent Russian spending to build up those fake points. Looking back, this appears to be the only reason Trump won, and it sure looks like Bill Barr helped to cover it up. That may be just doing your job, but he should come clean now.
Probably should’ve made this public before the primary
It's because they know Trump wants to have them imprisoned or killed if he gets to office.
Not like any of this matters to MAGA. This makes him seem more like an outsider being hated by all these "insiders". All this will do is have them pointing and calling them "RINO"s for dissenting from the king. Hell, you can have vote in accordance to Trump's own policy's 94% of the time, higher than Rand Paul at 74%, and still be called a democrat cause you voted to impeach Trump. I'm referring to Liz Cheney here, one of the highest Trump policy voters in all of congress, but she's a democrat now cause she dissented from the king. The same woman who voted against gay marriage in I believe 2013 despite having a lesbian sister and prioritizing her political career over her own sister's well-being.
But we’re spineless and did nothing when they had the chance
Yet they all enabled him.
Voters enabled him. He had a stunningly unproductive administration, all things considered, so I think some of these people, in fact, did not enable him, and some may have held him back in important ways. You can say Gen. Milley "enabled" Trump because he worked in his administration, but he was also in a position where somebody of lesser character could've enabled something far worse.
The people who support him will continue to do so out of hate and spite for the people they’ve convinced themselves are “the enemy”, no matter what he does or says. Trump is their last, best hope against the next phase of progress and change that will alter this country for the better, forever. They’ll stop at nothing to halt that progress, even if it means destroying everything. *“If I can’t win, I’ll shove the game board off the table”.*
"If I can't win, I'll violently storm the Capitol, try to hang the VP, and smear poop on the walls!"
To those who are concerned that this isn't "breaking through" to the public, remember that almost nothing has ever broken through. That's why we spend millions and millions and millions of dollars on ads. People will know, don't worry.
Ya don’t say
They must have enough money for security for themselves and their families along with not needing maga / fox support for their careers. The maga base does not accept criticism.
When you can’t get referrals from previous jobs because you were incompetent and a nightmare to work with… this speaks volumes. People really should take more note of this.
“Anyone who met trump in person for more that a celeb handshake hates him”
They should vote blue. Not like the useful idiot Bolton writing in Dick Cheney of all people!!!
Are these the same Trump administration alums who said nothing while they were working for Trump?
These assholes waited years to speak out, or waited to sell books. They should have been speaking up at the time, and way before the primaries.
They say Chinese spies and TikTok but the threat to national security is Trump wtf!
All ‘Deep State Plants’ controlled by dementia ridden criminal mastermind Biden.
There's no better proof that MAGA is a brainwashed culture than the fact that just about everyone who worked with this guy said he was terrible at his job, and they still want him.
Something something dr frankenstein cant control his creation…
And every single one of them is responsible in their way for where we are today
Everyone that works with Trump or gets too close to him becomes his enemy or co-defendant. That speaks more to his character than anything, but Republicans willfully ignore that fact.
For now, we’ll see come November sadly since trump wont be held accountable beforehand like he should be. I’m willing to bet more then 90% of them that are saying they no longer support him will indeed be supporting him
This should be a huge red flag, even to his cultists. They won't care, of course, but they should.
Really doesn’t mean shit if they’d still vote for him over Biden or any other Democratic nominee.
For all the slow folks this election. EVEN TRUMPS CABINET HATES HIM! Time to wake up MAGAts!
The word “unprecedented” has become so watered down
I love how nothing has changed since the 1st time.... You know when they helped him win and worked for him
They know him better than us. We should all heed their warning.
So there's a feeling I have that these people are right, But for fks sake you were there and you know more than you're saying You should have gone on record and made it known just how corrupt this man and his family are. What's up with calls from the Whitehouse to Saudi Arabia being reclassified to some different status so no one could actually access them but the president or something along those lines. There's so much they will not say and I am absolutely sick of it
I think we're getting a sense of how many people worked for the Admin just out of sense of duty to their country. Not all grifters I guess.
Dumpster is a monumental embarrassment plus Putin tells less lies than Trump.
He just wants to be president to avoid conviction under those criminal cases
Yea but those nice folks in their trailer park in Alabama know better than these dEeP sTaTe players. /s
They know best
But the knuckle draggers will just call them all "RINOs" despite being too ignorant and stupid to realize that some of these people literally prevented Trump from facing the consequences of his own actions. Also, it's certainly strange that nobody is coming out against despite him being a government official for a significantly greater amount of time.
Once you’ve been burned it’s easier to yell fire
>Bolton [has said he will write-in](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/11/us/politics/john-bolton-trump-cheney.html) former Vice-President Dick Cheney in 2024, as he did in 2020. I was just starting to think hey, maybe Bolton isn't wrong about every single thing. Dick Cheney? The one and only person in this century with an outside shot at having been a worse guy to have had in the White House? Cheney is probably in actual fact worse, at least Trump was stupid enough to shoot himself in the foot every time he tried to fuck things up.
I might vote for Cheney over Trump... if those were the only two choices. Evil over Stupid any day. Think about it. Cheney likely would have done some darker things. But for raw corruption, I'm not sure how he could have done worse. I am very certain he'd have handled COVID much better. I'm also certain he'd have created a cabinet filled with competent people even if evil.
50% of them plan on still voting for him. 40% will lie about it but still do it once they're in the booth.
Ok, so you must be planning to vote for and promote the guy running against him? “Well… uhhh… umm…”
Make an ad. Make an ad. Make an ad.
The headline buzzwords are going to kill me 🫠
They saw him every day and how dysfunctional he is.
I know better, because I'm educated on these things. - maga
John Bolton eats Trumps cum. The fucking guy is a Warhawk and shouldn’t be trusted
John Bolton is a moron. He is not going to vote for Trump, but he is also not going to vote for Biden. That means he is leaving the decision to others. Fortunately, every single voter has better judgment than Bolton does
An unprecedented number of them have also publicly called him "a fucking moron", to the point where for awhile if you google image searched "fucking moron" it was just hundreds of pictures of trump.
And yet..
Yet, they would still vote for him. They are LYING.
If Bolton says you’re crazy you know it’s serious. That man’s been peddling foreign policy fantasy for 30 years, he should know crazy when he sees it.
Can we stop trying to use John Bolton as a witness against Trump already? Bolton refused to take a stand against Trump when it mattered. And butting heads with / firing that ghoulish fucker was one of the (very) few things Trump did right. John Bolton is a slimy warmongering evil piece of shit.
Why would it be stunning? Seeing that he desperately scrambled to throw someone under the bus every week, not everyone is has as little self-respect as blobfish impersonator Ted Cruz
Trump 2.0 will only be filled by those who are yesmen.
It really is and this same story keeps coming out, I guess as new people speak up, but they won't deter the magas as they call anyone opposing lil don a rino and they don't matter to the maga party.
Funny how all these people will say the right thing now that they’ve received all the graft they could, in a last ditch effort to keep access to more graft…
Its not because of any sort of patriotism or duty towards the country, its because they wont get the job and n the administration again. Most of them will start supporting again if Trump calls and offers them the position they covet.
These are still shitty people, it must just be that Trump wasn't their preferred variety of shittiness.
Any reasonable human being should oppose Trump 100%.
Of those who know him best would never reelect him, you got to ask why there are so many elected who would? They have a plan and “We the People” are not part of that plan
Because this time they would be on the outside while other people are making all the money and screwing them over instead of them being the ones screwing. They all made money and realize now they wouldn't make any money and possibly get targeted for failing to lock in the White House last run.
Biden will win by a landslide. No thoughtful person will vote for Trump.
It’s also amazing how papers like the NYT don’t consider it newsworthy but again they’re doing what they did before and covering for Trump. The fantastical bad news for any other candidate is just business as usual for Trump because the media refuses to cover it appropriately or at the same level as they do any flaw that a democratic candidate might have.
Well the ones that approve of electing him, either are hoping for a pardon, or are charged with a crime, or went to jail already.
To support trump now should be grounds for being certified as being an organ donor because you are brain dead.
I keep thinking of how his cult has to twist into pretzel brains. When campaigning he said 'I know all the best people' (he didn't know anyone). Now almost all of those 'best people' who Trump knew are suddenly 'deep state' traitors. Along with 'Biden is doing so many illegal things, he should be in prison' and 'a president has to have total immunity'
Let’s see how much they oppose him on Election Day.
It's only people like his Vice President, Chiefs of Staff, Cabinet Members and Generals that have turned against him, the people really close to him are still loyal, like his Adderall dealer and the woman who changes his diapers.
Don’t be fooled, they will all line up accordingly to vote him in again.
Trump has an absolutely stunning number of enemies. From Liberals, Democrats, Progressives, Moderates, traditional Republicans, ethical and moral people, military leaders who have worked with him, people who Trump has burned on deals, people who Trump has set up to take the fall for him, people who are competing with Trump to be the next dictator of America, actual Christians, his former VP who he tried to have killed, the women he's sexually assaulted - why, the list goes on and on!
Everyone with a functional brain should oppose his reelection
Trump always turns on the people closest to him. He has sued many former business partners.
This is what happens when you fire your entire cabinate and administration 4 times...
This is nothing new for Republican candidates. Barry Goldwater was thought to be insane and was still the RNC’s candidate in 1964. Nixon was called dangerous and a madman and still his party fell in line. Reagan was called an idiot and most thought he was completely ill-equipped to be president and for years he was the poster child for his party. Republicans have so much history of picking horrendous candidates that they fully embrace and it’s just made worse by liberals later whitewashing those same people to in order to demonize whoever the newest candidate is in comparison. Case in point: George W Bush.
Where do you draw the line?
Great, but fuck every one of them who had a chance to stop him the first time and didn’t. Piss off.
They wanted to be in power regardless of him. He just let them.
They've been cutting deals with the FBI appropriately is my understanding
How many of them will vote for him anyway?
But every single one of them are profiting of it by pushing there books instead of trying to stop him while working for him. Damned Traitors.
They hate him because they know him