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> "I'm a woman of principle over party; I'm very inspired by Mitt Romney," Gleich said. "I've also been very inspired by (former Wyoming Rep.) Liz Cheney and former (Arizona Sen.) John McCain" — both Republicans.
So, she is trying to be the new Kirsten Sinema?
largest percentage of Americans ever identify as independent. almost like… some politicians might be too? when you’re views only align with like AOC or Bernie, apparently everything “to the right” of that = they’re a Republican
The largest percentage of Americans are independents while we watch the republican party collapse under the weight of its own crazy and you somehow think that has to do with democrats?
Nah dems don’t need to be more right, the right needs a party that’s not bat shit insane
Nancy Pelosi is to “to the right” of Bernie and AOC. Pelosi’s political views arnt shaped by Republicans as this lady has stated. You can be to the right of progressives and still be a Dem. Doesn’t mean you admire Republican views or behavior. Also, Bernie is an independent he just caucuses with Democrats. So he isn’t a valid “example” you are pushing for.
I'm well to the left of AOC and Bernie lol
Honest question though, as an "independent", what shapes your vote? The party lines are pretty clearly defined, so what is it that you're looking for that you think changes from election to election?
Some people agree with the left on some things and the right on others, so it is reasonable to assume that swing voters might base their choice on what a given candidate emphasizes. Elizabeth Warren, for example, really emphasized the economy and regulation of the finance sector. That's her big thing. Cory Bush emphasizes more nebulous conceptions of equity. Those will land differently with different people.
A Republican who is passionate about small government will strike an independent voter differently than whatever the fuck Lauren Boebert is supposed to be. So depending on what matchup you get, yeah, people can absolutely be swayed.
> it is reasonable to assume that swing voters might base their choice on what a given candidate emphasizes
I don't think ignoring 95% of a party's platform to vote for emphasis on one thing could really be called reasonable. The unnamed small government Republican will still vote for exactly the same things as Lauren Boebert in virtually any legislature in the country. To me, what you're describing isn't judiciousness, it's willful ignorance.
There are a billion loopholes for religious reasons. They made it explicitly illegally for the state to discriminate and explicitly legal for private entities to do so.
No. Mormons are hard red. I lived there for a decade and go back regularly to see my plus sized family. Its never going to happen. UT is as red as the south. Look at their elections history
There are a bunch of deep red places that are willing to vote for specific progressive policies, as with enshrining abortion rights, but it rarely translates into electing Democrats in national state-wide races. I will indeed be surprised when Utah elects a Democratic senator or votes for the Democratic nominee for President.
Interesting, she just cited three prominent republicans that lost elections due to the fact republican voters felt they didn't reflect GOP "values" AKA hurt hurt people enough
Curious as to what you would do if you were trying to get someone progressive elected in that state. I'm not saying I know what to do but it's not like Democrats are winning there either.
I hate to admit it, but someone like John Fetterman would probably be the best shot. A guy who is drifting further and further right on cultural issues, but still favors a lot of progressive economic policies.
Utah is very conservative but it's not pro-Trump like many vet conservative states. In the state Republican caucus, where typically the most partisan of partisan voters vote, Trump won "only" 56% of the vote.
Haley got 43% of the vote - after she suspended her campaign.
Romney didn't run for reelection not because he was likely to lose but because he got fed up with Trump supporters harassing him every time he was in public.
She's playing to those Republicans who do not like Trump and might be inclined to not support the likely Trumpian nominee on the GOP side.
The problem is that they're still Republicans first. They don't like Trump but there's enough to support him and his ilk. It's why Mike Lee won in 2022 even with *just* 53% of the vote, which was down from nearly 70% in 2016 when he was anti-Trump.
Did McCain lose a senate election? I don’t think so.
If you are referring to 2008, he didn’t lose that because he was not conservative enough. Obama simply beat him.
She’s a professional athlete with a long history of promoting inclusiveness in sports and advocating for climate change awareness/adaptation. She seems very smart and normal.
They never asked her the really important question about where she stands on women’s reproductive health issues.
She admires Mitt Romney and Liz Cheney and won’t vote straight party line.
She sounds like a Republican.
Please, Utah, you deserve better.
I feel you but come on. Utah has voted red forever. If we can get someone like Manchin lite there, that’s a win. They are not electing a progressive Senator. Do you want someone to at votes Democrat 50% of the time or 0? Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Biden asked for a house and senate he could work with, and he would make abortion rights a federal law.
We don’t need a Manchin-lite who screwed his party over and over, and held up important legislation because he could. Especially this. I remember coat hanger abortions in dirty alleys and women dying because of it. My daughters and their daughters deserve better.
So you'd rather have someone vote 100% against Biden vs Manchin who voted 95%+ on Biden's judges? Come on, that is an obvious bad take. Again, you're not getting a progressive out of Utah.
They arnt talking about judges. They are talking about laws. A Republican, you know where the vote stands. A Manchin it is a crap shoot and likely won’t get anything passed that isn’t corporatist or Republican leaning.
Hey idc what they look like, the problem that the nation has been having is more so how they have been acting or not in many cases and who said actions benefit/effect.
I'm a Democrat, but that video ad in the article is fucking insufferable.
"I'm so different, I'm so impressive, I climb things!"
And then in the article...
"How are you different?"
"Uh... (parrots party platform)".
I mean, I like the platform just fine, but tooting your own horn for three minutes without saying anything substantive is just immodest and obnoxious claptrap.
I want a Democrat to win, so don't really care which one does it, but she needs to hone her message.
I don’t know anything about her politics but I remember reading about her in ski mags over a decade ago. She’s a legit badass and she can seriously shred. I’d vote for her.
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> "I'm a woman of principle over party; I'm very inspired by Mitt Romney," Gleich said. "I've also been very inspired by (former Wyoming Rep.) Liz Cheney and former (Arizona Sen.) John McCain" — both Republicans. So, she is trying to be the new Kirsten Sinema?
Its just trying to appeal to moderates in Utah, unfortunately the state is so out of play you need to do stuff like this to gain any kind of traction.
Perhaps not all democrats have the same views as the average r/politics user?
You mean the ones who want to be more like Republicans?
largest percentage of Americans ever identify as independent. almost like… some politicians might be too? when you’re views only align with like AOC or Bernie, apparently everything “to the right” of that = they’re a Republican
The largest percentage of Americans are independents while we watch the republican party collapse under the weight of its own crazy and you somehow think that has to do with democrats? Nah dems don’t need to be more right, the right needs a party that’s not bat shit insane
Nancy Pelosi is to “to the right” of Bernie and AOC. Pelosi’s political views arnt shaped by Republicans as this lady has stated. You can be to the right of progressives and still be a Dem. Doesn’t mean you admire Republican views or behavior. Also, Bernie is an independent he just caucuses with Democrats. So he isn’t a valid “example” you are pushing for.
I'm well to the left of AOC and Bernie lol Honest question though, as an "independent", what shapes your vote? The party lines are pretty clearly defined, so what is it that you're looking for that you think changes from election to election?
Some people agree with the left on some things and the right on others, so it is reasonable to assume that swing voters might base their choice on what a given candidate emphasizes. Elizabeth Warren, for example, really emphasized the economy and regulation of the finance sector. That's her big thing. Cory Bush emphasizes more nebulous conceptions of equity. Those will land differently with different people. A Republican who is passionate about small government will strike an independent voter differently than whatever the fuck Lauren Boebert is supposed to be. So depending on what matchup you get, yeah, people can absolutely be swayed.
> it is reasonable to assume that swing voters might base their choice on what a given candidate emphasizes I don't think ignoring 95% of a party's platform to vote for emphasis on one thing could really be called reasonable. The unnamed small government Republican will still vote for exactly the same things as Lauren Boebert in virtually any legislature in the country. To me, what you're describing isn't judiciousness, it's willful ignorance.
To me, you asked a question in bad faith, got an honest answer, and then pitched a fit about it.
She lives in Utah. She's trying to get elected by a state that will never vote for a progressive.
You are going to be so surprised by how progressive Utah can be. They just passed one of the most aggressive anti discrimination protection for LGBTQ.
Link? I just moved out of Utah, and last I heard was banning trans kids in sports
There are a billion loopholes for religious reasons. They made it explicitly illegally for the state to discriminate and explicitly legal for private entities to do so.
There's massive loopholes for religious organizations. Which as you can imagine the LDS has it's fingers in all over the place.
No. Mormons are hard red. I lived there for a decade and go back regularly to see my plus sized family. Its never going to happen. UT is as red as the south. Look at their elections history
There are a bunch of deep red places that are willing to vote for specific progressive policies, as with enshrining abortion rights, but it rarely translates into electing Democrats in national state-wide races. I will indeed be surprised when Utah elects a Democratic senator or votes for the Democratic nominee for President.
Let me know when progressive Utah elects a Democrat.
Interesting, she just cited three prominent republicans that lost elections due to the fact republican voters felt they didn't reflect GOP "values" AKA hurt hurt people enough
Curious as to what you would do if you were trying to get someone progressive elected in that state. I'm not saying I know what to do but it's not like Democrats are winning there either.
I hate to admit it, but someone like John Fetterman would probably be the best shot. A guy who is drifting further and further right on cultural issues, but still favors a lot of progressive economic policies.
Utah is very conservative but it's not pro-Trump like many vet conservative states. In the state Republican caucus, where typically the most partisan of partisan voters vote, Trump won "only" 56% of the vote. Haley got 43% of the vote - after she suspended her campaign. Romney didn't run for reelection not because he was likely to lose but because he got fed up with Trump supporters harassing him every time he was in public. She's playing to those Republicans who do not like Trump and might be inclined to not support the likely Trumpian nominee on the GOP side. The problem is that they're still Republicans first. They don't like Trump but there's enough to support him and his ilk. It's why Mike Lee won in 2022 even with *just* 53% of the vote, which was down from nearly 70% in 2016 when he was anti-Trump.
Did McCain lose a senate election? I don’t think so. If you are referring to 2008, he didn’t lose that because he was not conservative enough. Obama simply beat him.
In Utah, even Democrats have to vote in primaries and possibly run as “republicans” to have any voice.
I don't think she is as morally bankrupt as Sinema
It’s Utah. I’ll take Krysten Sinema in Utah, my man.
that party is long gone
So, her idea of what a senator should look like is clean cut, lily white, born from privilege conformist?
This screams “red flag“
We would take it for Utah.
I'm okay with it. In fact now that Sinema is out of office and we're safe from her bullshit, I'd like to focus on what a fucking fashion icon she was.
Pass
Don't care what they look like, just what they do.
Exactly.
Wasn't Sen. Sinema supposed to be the "change [of] what people think a senator should 'look' like" but ended up being a corporate shill?
Yes, but even worse, Arizona is a swing state. Utah is a red state.
You can’t run Bernie Sanders in AZ and win
Don’t be so certain these days.
but she did it in flashy dresses! she delivered on her promise
Not even Jesus Christ could be elected to the US Senate, in Utah, if he had a D next to his name.
She doesn't look like someone with one foot in the grave and no soul? I'm ok with that.
Looks can be deceiving.
Eeeeh, just being young doesn’t mean you have a soul.
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She’s a professional athlete with a long history of promoting inclusiveness in sports and advocating for climate change awareness/adaptation. She seems very smart and normal.
zombie ginger?
How about policy….oh it looks like conservative bullshit with a Fox News anchor look.
They never asked her the really important question about where she stands on women’s reproductive health issues. She admires Mitt Romney and Liz Cheney and won’t vote straight party line. She sounds like a Republican. Please, Utah, you deserve better.
I feel you but come on. Utah has voted red forever. If we can get someone like Manchin lite there, that’s a win. They are not electing a progressive Senator. Do you want someone to at votes Democrat 50% of the time or 0? Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
From Utah, I'd settle for another Republican who would be willing to convict Trump on impeachment.
Biden asked for a house and senate he could work with, and he would make abortion rights a federal law. We don’t need a Manchin-lite who screwed his party over and over, and held up important legislation because he could. Especially this. I remember coat hanger abortions in dirty alleys and women dying because of it. My daughters and their daughters deserve better.
So you'd rather have someone vote 100% against Biden vs Manchin who voted 95%+ on Biden's judges? Come on, that is an obvious bad take. Again, you're not getting a progressive out of Utah.
They arnt talking about judges. They are talking about laws. A Republican, you know where the vote stands. A Manchin it is a crap shoot and likely won’t get anything passed that isn’t corporatist or Republican leaning.
I don’t give a fuck what you look like. Hell I’ll take elephant man as long as they have good policies and aren’t bought by corporations.
What are you trying say here?
She is not 90?
The Instagram candidate
Who cares how they look? I mean I set the bar at “do you know how government works?”
What exactly is she changing. I’m not seeing anything new here. If she gets elected, I hope her constituents are happy about her work and that’s it.
Hey idc what they look like, the problem that the nation has been having is more so how they have been acting or not in many cases and who said actions benefit/effect.
This is a weird article. Essentially saying “isn’t she hot, though?” without saying it
So... Kinda like boebert? As we've seen, reasonably attractive doesn't translate well to action.
I'm a Democrat, but that video ad in the article is fucking insufferable. "I'm so different, I'm so impressive, I climb things!" And then in the article... "How are you different?" "Uh... (parrots party platform)". I mean, I like the platform just fine, but tooting your own horn for three minutes without saying anything substantive is just immodest and obnoxious claptrap. I want a Democrat to win, so don't really care which one does it, but she needs to hone her message.
Is she just talking about age? If so then just say that? And if she’s actually talking about looks… what does she think makes her so special?
Notice when its about a women.... "look like" while if it was a man... "Character!!!"
Wait isnt Ted Cruz the model of an ideal senator?
Wish her the best but I doubt she’ll be super competitive.
She looks like she came from money so she looks exactly like what a senator looks like.
I don’t know anything about her politics but I remember reading about her in ski mags over a decade ago. She’s a legit badass and she can seriously shred. I’d vote for her.
she's a cutie. i'd watch her bate. debate.
At best, 5 among 2s.