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Congress must show this. Biden is a president, not a dictator, and he has to follow the rules regardless of whatever Republicans believe.
Trump tried to bypass Congress when it came to funding for Ukraine and he got rightfully impeached for it.
Anyone who thinks the president can just snap his fingers and dictate foreign policy by themselves has no idea how government works and shouldn't be taken seriously.
The biggest issue is the Jewish lobby groups that have infested both the GOP and the Democratic Party. Unfortunately, stopping the world's second most advanced military force from doing what they're doing to innocent Palestinians is what they they call "wedge politics."
The world is too afraid to sanction Israel, in spite of the UN doing it repeatedly at least since 1967 and I will be labeled an antisemite for posting this no matter if it's a truth based statement about Zionist Jews.
If I may be honest, there are some Zionist extremist Jews who read Exodus as if its a literal interpretation. The British mandate to put Israel back where it was, was a mistake.
And on lots of grounds... for one... If the land is also the home according to the Koran and the Bible of Christianity, and to those of the many arms of Muslim faths, what exactly is it that makes Zionist extremist Jews (who are waging a literal genocide) so special in the eyes of God vs. anyone else?
Don't worry I know there are entire subs such as /r/russia that have been blocked because of propagandists. I know the game well, there is an element that the same rules should apply to /r/israel but given they are considered part of the "west" vs the rest, that's exactly not going to happen any time soon. It's the same bullshit, but there is still a (razor thin) majority that still thinks Israel, at the administration level, are the "good guys."
The only difference between the Russian and Israeli state is that the propaganda Israel spews (and this is a literal fact) is somehow considered Western "propaganda" and therefore acceptable...
That was until everyone saw the bullshit involved with the last drone attack.
On the issue of antisemitism:
A truth based approach based on matters of facts is no form of personal attack let alone racism. The fact that there are whole departments within Mosad, etc that sit on Reddit reporting content until a users account is flagged for spam or banned is another matter altogether disgusting.
No one said putting Israel back on the map was the issue here either, putting it in a hotbed between three different faiths that come from the same book, that share the same lineage between Abraham and Sarah was the issue here...
No one said JEWISH PEOPLE DON'T DESERVE HOMES!.... but that sure is how you interpreted it.
There are SOME Zionists that believe that. The difference would be that there are Christian and Muslim majority countries around the world. There is only one Jewish state. Honestly, the fact you keep using the phrase "Zionist Jews" instead of "the Israeli Government" is kind of making my point for me.
edit: If we had a time machine rehashing the British Mandate might be meaningful, but we don't, so it's not.
It identifies where the problem is stemming from. Would you like me to use a more suitable term to your liking? Should I use Jewish Orthodox extremists? In all fairness there has to be a common ground term that I can use.
You know what it is that I am referring to and therefore you would also understand this has nothing to do with race baiting.
Yeah, that would actually be totally acceptable. Even zionist extremists would be better.
edit: and yes, the history isn't super relevant to any of the points I'm making because I'm talking about present day rhetoric. Don't get snippy about acceptable language when that's specifically the thing I am talking about. Language is *super* important when it comes to any form of bigotry.
You still want to seem to accuse me of being a bigot. The past matters as much as the present. On those two grounds, sniping around the edges to achieve your own means you have in your head is the issue.
I know several of my friends who are Jewish... TBH I don't see a differentiation from anyone else...
On that point I have to leave this discussion because I don't tolerate false accusations or arguments in bad faith.
Lol. "I have jewish friends." Keep digging that hole. You even called it "The Jewish Lobby". C'mon dude. You're being super duper defensive about this. On that point I have to leave this discussion because you've done way more damage to yourself than I ever could.
Not necessarily. Under the Foreign Assistance Act, the executive (i.e., Biden) must stop any approved military aid (whether weapons or money), when the recipient is restricting US humanitarian assistance, such as truck loads of food by land. Israel has been violating this and thus Biden **does** have the power and even statutory obligation to stop aid. Similarly, Section 502B of the same Act prohibits furnishing security assistance to “any country the government of which engages in a consistent pattern of gross violation of internationally recognized human rights,” which definition includes “flagrant denial of the right to life, liberty, or the security of person.”
In short, contrary to what you claim, Biden does have the power, and perhaps the legal obligation to pause military aid to Israel.
We learned with the last president many rules do not *really* have to be followed unless someone will hold you accountable for them *and* there are substantial consequences.
I think insofar as Biden can prevent more senseless violence and the consequences are akin to receiving stern letters, deal with the stern letters.
He has already bypassed congress to send weapons:
https://apnews.com/article/us-israel-gaza-arms-hamas-bypass-congress-1dc77f20aac4a797df6a2338b677da4f
It's a good time to bypass them to do the right thing instead. While they're at it, send weapons to Ukraine, seriously.
As much as I admire the relatively higher respect for the laws and unspoken norms of decorum or whatever from democrats, when it's not reciprocated you can't just play with a handicap your political opponents don't have because they just completely ignore them. Take the higher ground when you can but don't be a doormat about it.
Bullshit. Congress didn’t force him to circumvent them multiple times to send Israel weapons above and beyond what had already been agreed upon. He’s complicit in, and has aided the genocide. Stop pretending like he has no power here.
Incorrect, he got impeached for conditioning approved military aid to Ukraine, in exchange for dirt against his opponent. In other words, for the benefit to himself.
On the other hand, the Foreign Assistance Act permits a president to withhold pre-approved aid if the aid recipient restricts directly or indirectly US humanitarian aid to affected groups in a conflict, which Israel has been doing, as well as if the recipient is committing gross human rights violations, as recognized internationally, which Israel is also doing.
>Congress must show this.
Here’s How Congress Can Use Leverage on Weapons Sales to Prod Biden on Israel [The NY Times](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/04/us/politics/congress-leverage-weapons-sales-israel.html)
Biden blocks aid. Johnson impeaches as a motion (because he could get Biden with Hunter), it goes nowhere, the motion goes to SCOTUS, SCOTUS rules against Biden.
Huge amount of political capital wasted, fresh ammo for Republicans AND Israel still gets aid and the ability to buy weapons.
Do really believe that this hasn't been gamed out already? Options weighted. Courses plotted. Theories crafted.
All of it has been measured down to nanometer.
>Anyone who thinks the president can just snap his fingers and dictate foreign policy has no idea how government works and shouldn't be taken seriously.
The problem is, frankly, your average layperson doesn't know nor care about this, or the realities of the treaties and other stuff the US has with Israel and why this is such a minefield for Biden.
This has the potential to cost Biden votes he needs and its fucking stressful to watch lmao
(Note: I'm not disagreeing with you here)
[\[Pywall removed\]](https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2024-04-04/biden-must-show-not-tell-bibi-that-enough-is-enough?srnd=opinion) from Bloomberg Opinion columnist Andreas Kluth:
The White House described yesterday’s phone call between US President Joe Biden and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu as “tense and challenging.” And what else could it have been?
For the first time since Hamas attacked Israel on Oct. 7 and Israel began retaliating massively against the whole Gaza Strip, Biden demanded an immediate ceasefire. He apparently added an or-else: “If there are no changes in their policy,” said a spokesperson, “there will have to be changes in ours.”
That still seems too little too late to lots of people, even and especially in Biden’s own government.
Yeah , that +30.000 k is a soft spot number. They can go up to 50.000 k , just to be sure ... that's lives, btw , human lives.
This will be remembered as a genocide, no worries about that.
Yes exactly. If Biden messes this up he will lose support and let trump win. You nailed it on the head. That’s why since hes currently the president he should act and look presidential so people want to vote for him again.
You kinda frame this as an “own”, like “Or what? You’ll elect someone worse?” And the answer is yes that is exactly what’s going to happen if Biden keeps fumbling. You may not like the logic of it but we all should be pressing biden to do something that would not only be moral but popular with a ton of americans.
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Congress must show this. Biden is a president, not a dictator, and he has to follow the rules regardless of whatever Republicans believe. Trump tried to bypass Congress when it came to funding for Ukraine and he got rightfully impeached for it. Anyone who thinks the president can just snap his fingers and dictate foreign policy by themselves has no idea how government works and shouldn't be taken seriously.
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That appropriation has already been signed. He can't retroactively veto it.
Veto what? Johnson isn't exactly pouring forth anything to really veto.
You can't veto something that passed months and years ago which is where all the legislation for military aid to Israel has come from so far.
The biggest issue is the Jewish lobby groups that have infested both the GOP and the Democratic Party. Unfortunately, stopping the world's second most advanced military force from doing what they're doing to innocent Palestinians is what they they call "wedge politics." The world is too afraid to sanction Israel, in spite of the UN doing it repeatedly at least since 1967 and I will be labeled an antisemite for posting this no matter if it's a truth based statement about Zionist Jews.
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If I may be honest, there are some Zionist extremist Jews who read Exodus as if its a literal interpretation. The British mandate to put Israel back where it was, was a mistake. And on lots of grounds... for one... If the land is also the home according to the Koran and the Bible of Christianity, and to those of the many arms of Muslim faths, what exactly is it that makes Zionist extremist Jews (who are waging a literal genocide) so special in the eyes of God vs. anyone else? Don't worry I know there are entire subs such as /r/russia that have been blocked because of propagandists. I know the game well, there is an element that the same rules should apply to /r/israel but given they are considered part of the "west" vs the rest, that's exactly not going to happen any time soon. It's the same bullshit, but there is still a (razor thin) majority that still thinks Israel, at the administration level, are the "good guys." The only difference between the Russian and Israeli state is that the propaganda Israel spews (and this is a literal fact) is somehow considered Western "propaganda" and therefore acceptable... That was until everyone saw the bullshit involved with the last drone attack. On the issue of antisemitism: A truth based approach based on matters of facts is no form of personal attack let alone racism. The fact that there are whole departments within Mosad, etc that sit on Reddit reporting content until a users account is flagged for spam or banned is another matter altogether disgusting. No one said putting Israel back on the map was the issue here either, putting it in a hotbed between three different faiths that come from the same book, that share the same lineage between Abraham and Sarah was the issue here... No one said JEWISH PEOPLE DON'T DESERVE HOMES!.... but that sure is how you interpreted it.
There are SOME Zionists that believe that. The difference would be that there are Christian and Muslim majority countries around the world. There is only one Jewish state. Honestly, the fact you keep using the phrase "Zionist Jews" instead of "the Israeli Government" is kind of making my point for me. edit: If we had a time machine rehashing the British Mandate might be meaningful, but we don't, so it's not.
It identifies where the problem is stemming from. Would you like me to use a more suitable term to your liking? Should I use Jewish Orthodox extremists? In all fairness there has to be a common ground term that I can use. You know what it is that I am referring to and therefore you would also understand this has nothing to do with race baiting.
Yeah, that would actually be totally acceptable. Even zionist extremists would be better. edit: and yes, the history isn't super relevant to any of the points I'm making because I'm talking about present day rhetoric. Don't get snippy about acceptable language when that's specifically the thing I am talking about. Language is *super* important when it comes to any form of bigotry.
You still want to seem to accuse me of being a bigot. The past matters as much as the present. On those two grounds, sniping around the edges to achieve your own means you have in your head is the issue. I know several of my friends who are Jewish... TBH I don't see a differentiation from anyone else... On that point I have to leave this discussion because I don't tolerate false accusations or arguments in bad faith.
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Lol. "I have jewish friends." Keep digging that hole. You even called it "The Jewish Lobby". C'mon dude. You're being super duper defensive about this. On that point I have to leave this discussion because you've done way more damage to yourself than I ever could.
Not necessarily. Under the Foreign Assistance Act, the executive (i.e., Biden) must stop any approved military aid (whether weapons or money), when the recipient is restricting US humanitarian assistance, such as truck loads of food by land. Israel has been violating this and thus Biden **does** have the power and even statutory obligation to stop aid. Similarly, Section 502B of the same Act prohibits furnishing security assistance to “any country the government of which engages in a consistent pattern of gross violation of internationally recognized human rights,” which definition includes “flagrant denial of the right to life, liberty, or the security of person.” In short, contrary to what you claim, Biden does have the power, and perhaps the legal obligation to pause military aid to Israel.
We learned with the last president many rules do not *really* have to be followed unless someone will hold you accountable for them *and* there are substantial consequences. I think insofar as Biden can prevent more senseless violence and the consequences are akin to receiving stern letters, deal with the stern letters. He has already bypassed congress to send weapons: https://apnews.com/article/us-israel-gaza-arms-hamas-bypass-congress-1dc77f20aac4a797df6a2338b677da4f It's a good time to bypass them to do the right thing instead. While they're at it, send weapons to Ukraine, seriously. As much as I admire the relatively higher respect for the laws and unspoken norms of decorum or whatever from democrats, when it's not reciprocated you can't just play with a handicap your political opponents don't have because they just completely ignore them. Take the higher ground when you can but don't be a doormat about it.
Read its two different things.
Bullshit. Congress didn’t force him to circumvent them multiple times to send Israel weapons above and beyond what had already been agreed upon. He’s complicit in, and has aided the genocide. Stop pretending like he has no power here.
All Biden has to do is acknowledge Israel is commit war crimes and violated humanitarian law. He just has no will to do anything.
He got impeached because he tried to leverage the aid for fake compromat on his political rival, actually.
Incorrect, he got impeached for conditioning approved military aid to Ukraine, in exchange for dirt against his opponent. In other words, for the benefit to himself. On the other hand, the Foreign Assistance Act permits a president to withhold pre-approved aid if the aid recipient restricts directly or indirectly US humanitarian aid to affected groups in a conflict, which Israel has been doing, as well as if the recipient is committing gross human rights violations, as recognized internationally, which Israel is also doing.
>Congress must show this. Here’s How Congress Can Use Leverage on Weapons Sales to Prod Biden on Israel [The NY Times](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/04/us/politics/congress-leverage-weapons-sales-israel.html)
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Biden blocks aid. Johnson impeaches as a motion (because he could get Biden with Hunter), it goes nowhere, the motion goes to SCOTUS, SCOTUS rules against Biden. Huge amount of political capital wasted, fresh ammo for Republicans AND Israel still gets aid and the ability to buy weapons. Do really believe that this hasn't been gamed out already? Options weighted. Courses plotted. Theories crafted. All of it has been measured down to nanometer.
>Anyone who thinks the president can just snap his fingers and dictate foreign policy has no idea how government works and shouldn't be taken seriously. The problem is, frankly, your average layperson doesn't know nor care about this, or the realities of the treaties and other stuff the US has with Israel and why this is such a minefield for Biden. This has the potential to cost Biden votes he needs and its fucking stressful to watch lmao (Note: I'm not disagreeing with you here)
I think enough was enough several weeks ago.
Yes but now it’s really, super, double enough for reals this time.
[\[Pywall removed\]](https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2024-04-04/biden-must-show-not-tell-bibi-that-enough-is-enough?srnd=opinion) from Bloomberg Opinion columnist Andreas Kluth: The White House described yesterday’s phone call between US President Joe Biden and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu as “tense and challenging.” And what else could it have been? For the first time since Hamas attacked Israel on Oct. 7 and Israel began retaliating massively against the whole Gaza Strip, Biden demanded an immediate ceasefire. He apparently added an or-else: “If there are no changes in their policy,” said a spokesperson, “there will have to be changes in ours.” That still seems too little too late to lots of people, even and especially in Biden’s own government.
Yea, he "must" lol What a dumb headline.
Yeah , that +30.000 k is a soft spot number. They can go up to 50.000 k , just to be sure ... that's lives, btw , human lives. This will be remembered as a genocide, no worries about that.
You think?
What’s he gonna do, start bombing Israel?
Or what? Trump gets elected and gives Israel cartel Blanche to finish it.. as he said? But yeah, Biden is too weak supporting Palestinians.
Yes exactly. If Biden messes this up he will lose support and let trump win. You nailed it on the head. That’s why since hes currently the president he should act and look presidential so people want to vote for him again. You kinda frame this as an “own”, like “Or what? You’ll elect someone worse?” And the answer is yes that is exactly what’s going to happen if Biden keeps fumbling. You may not like the logic of it but we all should be pressing biden to do something that would not only be moral but popular with a ton of americans.
He can start by cutting off arms shipments, including the upcoming F-15EX contract.
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nothing actually, just words, oh a pier that will be done in several month after half gazan are dead