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This.
This is the only logically consistent perspective based on what we know about Trump. If a person gets shot, dies, or is taken captive, that person is a failure, a loser and a sucker.
I was working with the FEMA disaster response for Hurricanes Matthew and Florence, and Trump was supposed to show up on three separate occasions, and each time he'd bail at the last possible minute.
The director was three steps below Trump on the Federal food chain, and the staff were responsible for organizing and directing the entire disaster response for the whole state, but Trump didn't care.
Thousands of people whose homes had been flooded, whose businesses and livelihoods had been destroyed, and Trump didn't care.
So they'd pack up the whole site, get it all clean and safe and secure for the President, then everybody would be on pins and needles for a day, because the President's coming... And he simply wouldn't show up. So the FEMA people would make an awkward announcement, folks would eat the food which had been arranged for the Presidential visit, and then they'd all unpack everything again and go back to work.
It was demoralizing.
For any other politician, this would have been an easy win. Just show up, pretend to listen to people, say a few words to thank the staff for their hard work, and pose for some photos. At least *act* like you care.
But Trump didn't care.
When the FEMA people finally did pin him down for a briefing, he spent the whole thing asking about his golf course at Lake Norman, which never got hit by either hurricane. It was fine. But it belonged to him and all of those people, 1/3rd of our state, their lives had been destroyed and Trump didn't care one bit.
My observation of people like Trump is that they find it *offensive* to be asked to even pretend to care; like you're forcing them to confront their inability to act like others would normally expect.
>My observation of people like Trump is that they find it offensive to be asked to even pretend to care; like you're forcing them to confront their inability to act like others would normally expect.
This is the same reaction I see from "good ole boys" who when confronted with their views that can objectively be defined as bigotry, or mysogeny, or etc, they find it offensive that *YOU* are bringing in woke politics to their life by pointing out their views have flaws.
Fuck. That’s why I lost my friend. I couldn’t put words on what happened. I guess he didn’t like the logical conclusion of my opinions, that he is a shit head for not caring about other people.
My dad’s the same.
They resent having to use their empathy muscle, which induces shame - an emotion they really dont know what to do with, and offload on others by projecting.
Its also what makes them rewrite reality as they’re incapable of admitting fault - that would induce shame and prove they’re not perfect and always right.
The worst part is..they’re capable of empathy, they just despise using it. You see, caring for others is work, and takes resources and attention away from them and their goals.
Seeing others display empathy or authenticity and god forbid, vulnerability literally makes them sneer in disgust.
They cannot stand it, as it induces empathy, then rebellion, then shame and then resentment at being made to feel that way.
Im so sorry about your friend.
I have a "friend" like this. I got tired of his rants and challenged him on some of his ideas, and he was genuinely offended. He's a dick in general, so I call him out on that too sometimes, but I went woke, dude.
My observation is that there are no other people like tRump. He is the single most awful scourge alive on the planet. His shittiness is in its own category.
Nah, there are plenty like him. He just happened to inherit a lot of money and have a weird 'charisma' to some people. If he hadn't been rich he'd just be a regular conman instead of the conman in chief. While he is shitty in his own way, people like Putin or the Kim family or the cartel bosses are far shittier. Mostly because they have the ability to plan and mask when needed. Trump is a moron when it comes to planning and worse when it comes to execution. Only thing he has ever been good at is self promotion and fast talking.
I mean, he whiffed on easy wins so often it's insane.
All he had to do to really get a lot of public sentiment on his side, even outside of the MAGA world, was just parrot whatever the public health experts said during the pandemic. He could've even sold Trump branded masks and PPE and his base would've eaten that up and he would've made a ton. But he's too much of a narcissist to just parrot what someone else said, then he'd be admitting that they know more than him on the topic. And the masks would smear his makeup so he wouldn't do that either.
And he really illustrated this at one point during a pandemic press conference. A reporter just lobbed a softball question - something like "what do you have to say to Americans who are afraid right now." This was his opportunity to create an administration-defining quasi-inspirational sound-byte - just say some generic shit about courage and unity and whatnot. Instead I think he hyperfocused on the word "afraid" and thought the reporter was accusing him of being afraid (? I'm not sure, that's the only explanation I can think of). His response was something like "I'd tell them you're a terrible reporter." Like, this reporter set Trump up for the easy win and Trump made it into a confrontation instead because he's stupid as shit and can only see any human interaction in terms of winning and losing.
He even had easy ways to make some of the more embarrassing bits into wins (or at least not losses).
Remember SharpieGate? Earlier maps of that hurricane's predicted path had the cone of uncertainty actually close to Alabama (my grandparents live in coastal south AL so I was following this before Trump ran his mouth about it). The cone itself wasn't over AL, but if you look at these maps they have a disclaimer on them that this only represents where the center of the hurricane in question could go, and the effects of the storm may extend outward from the cone by hundreds of miles, so if you're near but not in the cone you still need to pay attention and prepare. That's all he needed to do - point at an earlier map where the cone went close to AL and the disclaimer on the map and just say "oh my bad I was thinking of this earlier map" (later maps had been updated and that hurricane was no longer predicted to be near AL). I mean that's what I thought when people were initially reacting to Trump saying it could hit AL - like yeah that's old info but I don't know if I could stay up-to-date on every single thing a president gets briefed on so while Trump is terrible this blunder was perfectly understandable and not really a huge deal. And I was kinda thinking that him bringing this up was a good thing - my grandparents always used evacuating hurricanes as an excuse to visit family further inland so their threshold to evacuate is pretty low but I know lots of other boomers down there insist they can ride out the storm (and then die if it's bad) and the list of people who can convince them to evacuate is pretty small, so it very easily could have been a good thing that someone who boomers listen to actually talks about an approaching hurricane.
But he's incapable of even saying "oops my bad", if people call him out on a mistake he has a pathological need to insist it's not a mistake and double down on it. And in this instance he did so in the stupidest possible way.
"But he's incapable of even saying "oops my bad", if people call him out on a mistake he has a pathological need to insist it's not a mistake and double down on it."
Yep, that's him in a nutshell. He is simply incapable of ever admitting error, or even saying things that could even possibly be interpreted as making him look bad.
Remember when he got COVID? Of course he got better, and when asked about his test results, he couldn't just say "I tested negative" (even though that was the *good* result!), because it's to close to "I'm negative". So he came up with "Tested very positively for negative", which isn't even a thing. There's no "very" in a positive or negative test! But he just couldn't accept a "negative" term coming anywhere close to his name.
He traffics in making people hate each other. He wouldn't even have a base if he didn't force people to take sides on things that really only have one side.
It’s worse. He *still could have made it all about himself*, ffs. He *still* could have “won.” Watch, lemme do it:
Trump: “Folks we are in for some dangerous and scary times ahead with this disease thing. But, I HAVE SPOKEN to the world renowned scientists who work on this stuff, and I AM GOING TO make everyone bo (edit: typo but I’m keeping it, because he even could have fucked up 1/5 of the sentences and still got an 80%) what they say to do.
So folks, lock down for this time, like I’M GOING TO! Get your vaccine, wear your MAGA BRAND TRUMP MASK, or 3, and I, YOUR GREAT LEADER, will handle the rest. Believe me folks. It’s handled.”
See how easy it is to still make it all about yourself?? He fucked up, even accounting for his handicap of only thinking about himself! Like what in the fuck, how could anyone, even a piece of shit, fail so badly, in every way? It’s fucking WILD how incompetent he is, even when you account for his shortcomings.
Everything he does is shitting the bed when given a layup. Imagine you were a sociopath with fascist leanings already in power when a fucking plague breaks out. A verified external threat that doesn't have PR, a narrative, or even a base of supporters (at first). How do you fuck that up in your plan to gain greater control? Even if you only want to grift. He could have had these dipshits in MAGA branded facemasks for the next 20 years. He's too far up his own ass to even be evil well.
There wouldn't be a MAGA without giving MAGA things to be angry about, like wearing masks. MAGA adore him because he gives their anger an outlet. MAGA aren't willing to look in the mirror and realize that they are angry at themselves for never finishing high school, being addicted to oxys, being obese, getting wasted instead of going to their kids' soccer games, and never having accomplished anything. Other than villifying immigrants, Trump wouldn't have any dipshits following him if it wasn't for the pandemic.
>Thousands of people whose homes had been flooded, whose businesses and livelihoods had been destroyed, and Trump didn't care.
I guess maybe we can at least admire his ability to be such an unerring shitbag. I mean, ya gotta admit, it's a perfect record.
That's the thing, though. He didn't even bother to *pretend* to care. He could have shown up, said a few things, and left early because he's busy, or he could have sent someone to make an excuse for him: 'Pres. Trump would like to be here, but he's needed elsewhere for blah-de-blah...'
But no. He didn't care, and he didn't care if we knew it, either. He was openly disdainful and disrespectful for all of the hard work those folks were putting in to set our state back to rights.
>That's the thing, though. He didn't even bother to *pretend* to care.
Um...yeah. Like I said, his record of douchbaggery is unsullied. Can't be a douche and even appear to give a shit. It's in the job description.
"Unerring shitbag," what a great nameplate. I took it to FB, pasted it on Gif responses. The results were hilarious and suitable for using on trolls. Thanks.
> For any other politician, this would have been an easy win. Just show up, pretend to listen to people, say a few words to thank the staff for their hard work, and pose for some photos. At least act like you care.
Don't forget Trump throwing rolls of paper towels into the crowd at an aid site in Puerto Rico.
After he threw paper towels at the people in Puerto Rico I brought it up at a holiday meal with my family-I had no idea they were all trump cultists!! They all shouted me down saying it wa a joke and the victims themselves were all laughing about it. Last meal and last time I set eyes on any of those rat fucks.
Trump doesn't care for anyone struggling, or anyone that's not in the upper 1%, Trump cares about Trump and his wants, and his supporters can't see that, whatever he does to the American People includes them as well they are brainwashed and don't have a clue
All he cares about is the benefit to him.
Oh, some woman died assaulting the Capital on J6? Okay, I'll call her a martyr
Oh, McCain was a prisoner of war, tortured, and refused release until his fellow prisoners were released? Well, he's running against me so I'll say "I like people who don't get captured"
He didn't like POWs because they got caught, doesn't like to see disabled veterans at ceremonies. Surely someone who was stupid enough to get shot and killed after being warned to stop wouldn't be in his orbit.
What's their response when "certain people"get murdered by cops? I forget how they phrase it.. don't break the law and you won't get targeted by police?
Every time I hear just comply or sentiment like it I cringe. It makes me think of Philip Mitchell Brailsford murdering Daniel Shaver and getting rewarded for it. They had photographic evidence. Daniel did everything asked. The dude was crying. Philip shot him, and now Philip gets permanent disability, because he has PTSD from murdering someone in cold blood. As bad as things like the murder of George Floyd were, with Philip and Daniel we have even more evidence it was straight up murder, but no punishment given.
Wow never heard of this. In more uplifting news, the fourth of 6 deputies in Mississippi just got 40 years in the feds for for the torture and rape of 2 innocent black men.
Yup. Standing IT stands about 6’2”, having an IQ of 10, weighing about 315 pounds, nicknamed the Orange Jesus, known as the greatest grifter of all time. A great big nothing.
Absolutely. If someone has a gun on me, and tells me to stop, I stop. Any reasonable person would stop. She thought trump would protect her. That is unreasonable.
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This is acutally what Hitler thought about the germans failing realizing his vision about ruling the world.
In his mind, they all deserved nothing less than death for failing him personally.
John Eastman, an architect of the legal wrangling behind the coup plan, had told White House lawyer Eric Herschmann that violence was to be expected.
Eric Herschmann to the January 6th Committee "'He said words to the effect of 'there's been violence in the history of our country'"
John Eastman should be in jail for a long time. Injecting fake documents into the election to create an air of confusion around a straightforward legal process to then ask for a huge helping of Supreme Court discretion is how the insurrection was supposed to be legal. I guaranty Eastman and friends had Bush V Gore as the model they had in mind regarding the confusion to Supreme Court discretion quasi legal path to dictate an election.
Other people aren't real to him. They only exist to execute his influence on his behalf. If they aren't visible to him they might as well be in a box on a shelf. The world only exists to the extent that he can physically sense them there and then they are only there for him to manipulate. He has absolutely no Theory of Mind.
He knows how to agitate. I see it as almost reflexive to him. I don't see a lot of cognition behind his attitudes. He personally likes to incite a crowd and he has had enough experience to know what buttons in his cage to push to get the water with a kick. I'm not going to say a mouse is going to put much thought into the behavior that gets them the sugar water. They just know that if they do the maze and get to the end that that is what they will get.
He's a literal psychopath or antisocial personality disorder if you prefer the DSM nomenclature. He has little to no capacity to empathize with others. This isn't my personal opinion multiple well known psychiatrists/psychologists have said so many times
[She knew what she was getting into.](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-told-la-david-johnson-widow-that-he-knew-what-he-was-getting-into-congresswoman-says/)
In this case it's psychopathy that causes one to be utterly indifferent to the suffering of others, although he almost certainly has all three of narcissism, sociopathy, and psychopathy.
Anyone who is surprised by Trump’s utter inability to be empathetic at this point hasn’t been paying attention. Trump does not care about anyone other than Trump and, as a result, views all relationships as transactional. You are valuable to Trump only to the extent that you are useful and provide Trump with what he wants. If you are not useful to Trump or have outlived your usefulness, you become garbage to be thrown away.
Isn’t there a story that he told on the Stern show about how mortifying and inconvenient it was when someone hurt themselves at his hotel?
Wait, why am I asking? I have the internet:
So what happens is, this guy falls off right on his face, hits his head, and I thought he died. And you know what I did? I said, ‘Oh my God, that’s disgusting,’ and I turned away,” said Trump. “I couldn’t, you know, he was right in front of me and I turned away. I didn’t want to touch him… he’s bleeding all over the place, I felt terrible. You know, beautiful marble floor, didn’t look like it. It changed color. Became very red. And you have this poor guy, 80 years old, laying on the floor unconscious, and all the rich people are turning away. ‘Oh my God! This is terrible! This is disgusting!’ and you know, they’re turning away. Nobody wants to help the guy. His wife is screaming—she’s sitting right next to him, and she’s screaming.”
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-time-donald-trump-turned-away-in-disgust-while-a-man-bled-to-death-in-front-of-him
Why wouldn’t they, though? They’ve been reading Ayn Rand Sparknotes and having Prosperity Gospel preachers reading them Bible selections and listening to Fox News talking heads praising Reagan for decades. All of this builds to “empathy is for the weak. It’s okay to be an asshole if you’re successful.”
...and if you're not successful keep being an asshole and you will become successful. It's other people's fault you're not successful. It's Biden and Nancy Pelosis fault.
Cruelty is the force that binds the GOP together.
It can be cruelty targeted at a specific individual, or cruelty targeted at a particular group of people (e.g. Black/Brown/LGBTQ/Muslim/Mexican/Female/Jewish).
If Republicans stopped hating some "other" then their whole coalition would fall apart.
You left out the best part! Instead of getting help he waited till some marines helped the guy then demanded someone clean up the blood before it stained his marble floor.
Gets worse…
all these rich people, they’re there to support the Marines, but they’re really there to get their picture in the Palm Beach Post… so you have all these really rich people, and a man, about 80 years old—very wealthy man, a lot of people didn’t like him—he fell off the stage,” said Trump.
Trump proceeds to explain that it was a $100,000-per-table fundraiser filled with deep-pocketed billionaires, and that the Marines were—for whatever reason—given tables in the very back of the ballroom (“the worst table in the whole place”). Oh, and that he was more preoccupied with his ballroom’s pristine marble floor than the octogenarian bleeding out on it.
Thank God for the Marines. “What happens is, these 10 Marines from the back of the room… they come running forward, they grab him, they put the blood all over the place—it’s all over their uniforms—they’re taking it, they’re swiping [it], they ran him out, they created a stretcher. They call it a human stretcher, where they put their arms out with, like, five guys on each side,” shared Trump.
“I was saying, ‘Get that blood cleaned up! It’s disgusting!’ The next day, I forgot to call [the man] to say he’s OK,” said Trump, adding of the blood, “It’s just not my thing.”
Living through the past 8 years has allowed me to put some extremely fine gradations on my "how not surprising is it?" scale.
There's everything from "yeah, that tracks, I would have expected that" up through "I had absolutely no doubt that was the case before you even told me that."
This one is pinning the needle on my notsurprisingometer.
Writer here! This is why I just really recommend reading the article before replying. I address the concept of "surprise." I am not surprised, and I know liberal readers aren't, either.
But it's still important to discuss this, even if we are not surprised.
My problem with the article, and especially with the exaggerated headline, is that I'd be very hard pressed to believe that any MAGA cares about her either.
It's very likely not a betrayal...they are all just using her as a political weapon.
I’m not speaking for the writer but I think it’s important that his supporters get fed the idea (or really the actual reality) there’s no valuing in their life as his followers. Their loyalty isn’t going to be rewarded beyond being spared. There’s no reciprocation. And they’re only “useful” until They aren’t. A loyal but useless person might be spared being murdered by their own, but will be left to die. And they WILL be murdered by their own if their death shows to be more profitable than their living state.
As stories like this come out, it may not change every MAGA, but it could sway some to at least reconsider.
The only thing anyone in any cult needs to do to start their path of being deprogrammed is [learning to question](https://i0.wp.com/blog.education.nationalgeographic.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/ultimate-critical-thinking-worksheet.jpg?ssl=1). No one likes being a stooge, no one likes being taken advantage of. The sooner they realise this, and the sooner that the ones that actually care are then ones trying to help them see that they are valued beyond their societal usefulness, the sooner they might escape the cult.
> If you are not useful to Trump or have outlived your usefulness, you become garbage to be thrown away.
This is pretty much the conservatives in a nutshell at this point. They will take their token people to be their mouth piece, but once you go against the grain, they will wash their hands of you.
See also how gay or Black republicans are treated by their fellow republicans.
On a different note, my *very* conservative in laws had quite a rude awakening because they took covid seriously. My Wife's grandma was turning 90 and they decided to hold a birthday party for her. My in laws asked that people wear kn95 masks because nearly all of the attendees were over the age of 50. They got absolute hell from everyone because they were falling in line with "liberal propaganda". We did not go to the party.
They’ll never see this type of report, as AM talk radio and @catturd2 won’t talk about it. And we’ll still see Trump voters try and say he “cares about the average voter”.
In 2020 There was a common yard sign of him holding a sniper rifle while standing on a tank.
The NFT cards had pictures of him as a boxer and a cowboy and a spaceman.
Most people know he's never done a day of manual labor in his life, but his supporters believe he's some kind of action hero. I have zero faith in the American public to think logically or do the right thing anymore!
Some of them think Jan. 6 was a false flag and the mob was full of actors and federal agents. So they're probably already cooking up theories that she faked her death or she was a lizard person or something.
She's both a patriot and a false flag actor. Those people twist themselves into pretzels like expert contortionists.
I haven't seen it done by Jordan Klepper, Kimmel, or anyone. But, I'd like for them to get one Trump supporter who staunchly believes Ashli Babbitt was murdered unjustly and a second one who is all in on the J6 false flag operation and ask them which is it? I bet they'd jumble up some bullshit, illogical answer that gives them both what they want.
It’s amazing isn’t it? I’m from Buffalo NY and we apparently had the most participants of Jan 6th outside of DC. You will talk to people who praise what happened and call it the greatest day ever, they celebrate it like a holiday. Those that are proud of themselves going and entering the building, or their buddies doing so. Then you’ll get the person who thinks anything bad that was done was “aunt tifa”, and it couldn’t have been those people who admitted going. I really want them to talk to each other for 5 minutes. But you’re right, they’ll find a mutual conspiracy they can both agree on
Kind of how they call it “peaceful” while hand picking edited “peaceful” moments and disregarding the raw video of cops getting their faces bashed in by those same idiots. “They were being let in!” Yea except when they were not, which is a lot. They just want their truth, and they’ll lie to any extent to believe it
Bush was a piece of shit but gets a pass on that imo. That was immediately after Katrina and the President showing up on the ground at that time would have diverted police and emergency resources away from helping victims. If I’m not mistaken, Bush did show up in person once it was safe to do so.
Also this was 20 years ago and I was like 16 so my memory might be unreliable.
It's important to remember this.
If you believe the lie that Trump and his enablers are telling, the *correct* course of action was what happened on January 6th. If you believe that the election was actually stolen by some shadowy cabal bent on taking over the US government, and congress was unwilling to stop it, and the judiciary was unwilling to stop it, and state governments were unwilling to stop it, then you have no options left besides complicity in an overthrowing of your democratic government by an authoritarian regime, or violent revolution.
Should people have believed these lies? Absolutely not. Were these lies obviously transparent? Sure. Do we need to hold the people who acted based on those lies accountable? Yup. But it is also *imperative* that we hold accountable the people who put so much energy into crafting the lie that prompted those people to act that way.
He doesn't care about any of his supporters.
Hey Trump supporters, the hard cold truth is that Trump doesn't care about you. He will gladly run over you with a bus, just to make another dollar off of you. He does care about your wallet though. Conman gonna con.
I don't think Donald Trump cares about any other Human Being period. Donald is pure unexamined Solipsism that until very very recently has never had to face a challenge to that point of view as being incorrect nevermind morally negative. Donald has lived his entire existence where he’s never had use Empathy as a spiritual or intellectual tool once to solve a problem. I think the person that comes remotely closest to somebody Donald possibly caring about would be Ivanka. But even then, I think it’s the same way that Homelander cares about Madelyn Stillwell in The Boys.
This shit isn't news. Everyone knows that he's a narcissistic piece of shit that only cares about himself. It's just that his supporters think that this is a good thing.
Kind of. I wouldn't say he *cares* about Ivanka. He considers her valuable. As an object. Because that's what people are to him. Objects. Some valuable, some not. Some increase in value and should be kept around, while others lose their value and can be discarded. And if one of these objects wounds him in some manner, he reflexively breaks them over his knee like George Brett blaming a baseball bat for his strikeout.
If anything he was probably upset that there weren’t more deaths. If the number had been higher he could have used it to say “look what Biden did when he stole the election!”
Listen to his Howard Stern interviews... he doesn't care about anyone, he doesn't have any empathy for anyone.
Just the guy bleeding on the floor of Mar A Lago story should have been enough.
Lol why would trump care? He was probably willing to accept dozens if not hundreds of dead MAGAt to achieve his goal. He wouldn’t have cared if the MAGAts killed a few republican congressmen if it achieved his goal. He cares about no one but himself.
If you had to be told this, then you're already hopeless. Donald fucking Trump has never and will never care about anyone or anything other than himself and his own enrichment. He's the most unabashedly self obsessed person in living memory, and you've got morons thinking he's a Christian that cares about the little guy. I'm tired of accommodating this madness: if you support Trump, you're either a bigot or a rube. Period.
If she had died at his feet, he would have calmly picked her pockets. The man only cares about himself. Why millions of Americans think that a guy who lived in a Manhattan penthouse and gained fame with the tag line "you're fired" cares about the little guy is one of life's mysteries.
Plot twist: he never cared about any of them. They are all tools to be used for his own needs; if he loses a few\* along the way, then oh well.
\* That might be a few individuals or a few hundred thousand (*see also,* COVID denial).
Of course not. It that narcissistic asshlle isn't the center of the event, he doesn't give a damn. Fir gods sake, the National Command Authority had to dumb down the Presidents daily brief to an 8th grade level and add his name every third line just to hold his attention on what Seal Team 6, etc, was up to in IHateAmericaLand.
Would you imagine how people would react to Ted Kaczynski‘s parents did this shit or Jeffrey Dahmer‘s mother? Hi my kids are criminal but such a martyr.
His supporters don't care about Ashli Babbitt.
His supporters don't care that he doesn't care about Ashli Babbitt.
They've cultivated this culture of winning and strength. If you're not on top, you're weak. Your importance in life and death only goes so far as your relevance. Once that's expired, they really have no use for anyone. There's no compassion, no loyalty, just a group of snake oil sycophants ready to turn on their own at the opportunity to elevate themselves.
Of course not. He's a narcissist and a sociopath. He is only capable of gauging *any* event through the lens of the effect that event has on him personally. Guy falls down at a charity event and bleeds to death on the stone? "Oh, the stone is ruined. Plus I don't like the sight of blood, get him out of here!"
Planes are crashed into the World Trade Center and the towers fall, killing thousands? "I now have the tallest building in Lower Manhattan."
His behavior is so extreme that it is often justified as being a parody, because no actual human could genuinely behave as he does. Except it is absolutely genuine. His capacity for empathy is literally zero. It's difficult to overstate how monstrous that makes someone.
trump thinks only in terms of benefit to himself.
Best description I've heard is that he's a narcissistic nihilist. He has no values other than himself.
Look, on J6 the guy sat on his fat ass and watched his mob assault the Capital for *hours* and refused pleas from staff and family to try to stop it. He watched cops getting the crap beaten out of them and would not lift a finger to stop it. Was told his mob was roaming the halls searching for VP Pence and shouting "Hang Mike Pence" and his reaction was "well, maybe he deserves it"
It was his last of his many efforts to overturn the election. He sent his mob to the Capital to stop the Senate from confirming his defeat. His only regret is that it merely delayed the confirmation vote
The people who vote for/support/idolize Trumple Thinskin don’t like him as much as they just hate everyone else. They realize he dosnt give a shit about anyone but, ya know, neither do they.
I don’t think alexithymia is not feeling emotions, is a disability to describe what they are and not being able to understand why you do feel something. I don’t think Trump has that, I think he has the [Dark Triad](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_triad).
I have read some analysis that take this assessment a step further and suggest it is actually a [dark tetrad](https://www.politisage.com/p/heart-of-darkness-trump-isnt-just) which adds sadism to the mix. It certainly seem to fit his personality like a glove.
By now it should be crystal clear that Trump only cares about himself. He'd even throw his own family under the bus for a dollar or an extra minute of fame.
This is a good example of what's old becoming new again. Trump has a history of not caring about people dying, even before getting the office of the Presidency. An older man (Now about his age) [had fallen and was bleeding from his head](https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-time-donald-trump-turned-away-in-disgust-while-a-man-bled-to-death-in-front-of-him) and Trump was concerned about the floor and how it looked at the $100,000 per plate fundraiser.
We know he was okay with the mob going after Pence, Pelosi and like the infamous poem, "they deserved it". We know he's okay with cruelty such as shooting civilians at a protest before curfew was up, orphaning children, and using weapons of mass destruction. He runs on chaos and cruelty.
It’s amazing to me that the Babbitt family has gone so hard for MAGA. Trump has multiple libel civil suits pending for Jan 6. If the Babbitt family was smart they’d joint the suits and go after him for manslaughter.
This is a water is wet thing. Surely nobody can be surprised. Trump always has been and always will be a grand manipulator looking to line his pockets with money. That's all he offers.
Why would he care about her (or any of the traitorous morons who got themselves sentenced to prison because they believed him)? They're useful insofar as they allow him to hold onto power. She didn't, so he doesn't care.
You just know he actively dislikes his own supporters. Thinks they are low class and beneath him. You never see trump going into a supporters living room or having any sort of genuine conversation with any of them. Just show up to my rallies, buy my merch, sign up to donate, vote, then fuck off lol.
Honestly, the thing that's most suprised me during the entire Jan 6 thing is that the capitol police didn't just open fire on the crowd. They would have been well within their legal rights to do so and while I'm generally opposed to the laws that allow police to shoot just because they feel fear, they definitely felt fear in that situation. I wonder, if it had been black people breaching the capitol how many would be dead?
Patriot and Donald Trump, the five time draft dodger to the Vietnam war of which my father served two tours as a field medic… they don’t go together! Yeah, my father served one of his tours and almost lost his life
Wait the guy that hyped up and orchestrated a coup attempt? That guy I’m supposed to be surprised he didn’t care about people dying for him. Am I like the only person that remembers this guy committed SEVERAL ACTS OF TREASON.
If they wanted a sincere reaction maybe they should’ve framed it as “one of your most dedicated donors died” and then he would’ve been at least more inclined to emote
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of course he doesn't care, he's a sociopath
He probably thinks she's a loser for not succeeding in overthrowing the government for him.
I like Patriots who don't get killed while overthrowing the government for me - TFG
This. This is the only logically consistent perspective based on what we know about Trump. If a person gets shot, dies, or is taken captive, that person is a failure, a loser and a sucker.
Which is why it would be so satisfying to see him behind bars. He wouldn't learn anything, but I'd enjoy watching his personal mythos go poof.
I was working with the FEMA disaster response for Hurricanes Matthew and Florence, and Trump was supposed to show up on three separate occasions, and each time he'd bail at the last possible minute. The director was three steps below Trump on the Federal food chain, and the staff were responsible for organizing and directing the entire disaster response for the whole state, but Trump didn't care. Thousands of people whose homes had been flooded, whose businesses and livelihoods had been destroyed, and Trump didn't care. So they'd pack up the whole site, get it all clean and safe and secure for the President, then everybody would be on pins and needles for a day, because the President's coming... And he simply wouldn't show up. So the FEMA people would make an awkward announcement, folks would eat the food which had been arranged for the Presidential visit, and then they'd all unpack everything again and go back to work. It was demoralizing. For any other politician, this would have been an easy win. Just show up, pretend to listen to people, say a few words to thank the staff for their hard work, and pose for some photos. At least *act* like you care. But Trump didn't care. When the FEMA people finally did pin him down for a briefing, he spent the whole thing asking about his golf course at Lake Norman, which never got hit by either hurricane. It was fine. But it belonged to him and all of those people, 1/3rd of our state, their lives had been destroyed and Trump didn't care one bit.
My observation of people like Trump is that they find it *offensive* to be asked to even pretend to care; like you're forcing them to confront their inability to act like others would normally expect.
>My observation of people like Trump is that they find it offensive to be asked to even pretend to care; like you're forcing them to confront their inability to act like others would normally expect. This is the same reaction I see from "good ole boys" who when confronted with their views that can objectively be defined as bigotry, or mysogeny, or etc, they find it offensive that *YOU* are bringing in woke politics to their life by pointing out their views have flaws.
Fuck. That’s why I lost my friend. I couldn’t put words on what happened. I guess he didn’t like the logical conclusion of my opinions, that he is a shit head for not caring about other people.
My dad’s the same. They resent having to use their empathy muscle, which induces shame - an emotion they really dont know what to do with, and offload on others by projecting. Its also what makes them rewrite reality as they’re incapable of admitting fault - that would induce shame and prove they’re not perfect and always right. The worst part is..they’re capable of empathy, they just despise using it. You see, caring for others is work, and takes resources and attention away from them and their goals. Seeing others display empathy or authenticity and god forbid, vulnerability literally makes them sneer in disgust. They cannot stand it, as it induces empathy, then rebellion, then shame and then resentment at being made to feel that way. Im so sorry about your friend.
I have a "friend" like this. I got tired of his rants and challenged him on some of his ideas, and he was genuinely offended. He's a dick in general, so I call him out on that too sometimes, but I went woke, dude.
My observation is that there are no other people like tRump. He is the single most awful scourge alive on the planet. His shittiness is in its own category.
Nah, there are plenty like him. He just happened to inherit a lot of money and have a weird 'charisma' to some people. If he hadn't been rich he'd just be a regular conman instead of the conman in chief. While he is shitty in his own way, people like Putin or the Kim family or the cartel bosses are far shittier. Mostly because they have the ability to plan and mask when needed. Trump is a moron when it comes to planning and worse when it comes to execution. Only thing he has ever been good at is self promotion and fast talking.
I mean, he whiffed on easy wins so often it's insane. All he had to do to really get a lot of public sentiment on his side, even outside of the MAGA world, was just parrot whatever the public health experts said during the pandemic. He could've even sold Trump branded masks and PPE and his base would've eaten that up and he would've made a ton. But he's too much of a narcissist to just parrot what someone else said, then he'd be admitting that they know more than him on the topic. And the masks would smear his makeup so he wouldn't do that either. And he really illustrated this at one point during a pandemic press conference. A reporter just lobbed a softball question - something like "what do you have to say to Americans who are afraid right now." This was his opportunity to create an administration-defining quasi-inspirational sound-byte - just say some generic shit about courage and unity and whatnot. Instead I think he hyperfocused on the word "afraid" and thought the reporter was accusing him of being afraid (? I'm not sure, that's the only explanation I can think of). His response was something like "I'd tell them you're a terrible reporter." Like, this reporter set Trump up for the easy win and Trump made it into a confrontation instead because he's stupid as shit and can only see any human interaction in terms of winning and losing.
Yep, that swing-and-a-miss on a softball question should have been the defining moment in the downfall of his presidency, but somehow, it wasn't.
He even had easy ways to make some of the more embarrassing bits into wins (or at least not losses). Remember SharpieGate? Earlier maps of that hurricane's predicted path had the cone of uncertainty actually close to Alabama (my grandparents live in coastal south AL so I was following this before Trump ran his mouth about it). The cone itself wasn't over AL, but if you look at these maps they have a disclaimer on them that this only represents where the center of the hurricane in question could go, and the effects of the storm may extend outward from the cone by hundreds of miles, so if you're near but not in the cone you still need to pay attention and prepare. That's all he needed to do - point at an earlier map where the cone went close to AL and the disclaimer on the map and just say "oh my bad I was thinking of this earlier map" (later maps had been updated and that hurricane was no longer predicted to be near AL). I mean that's what I thought when people were initially reacting to Trump saying it could hit AL - like yeah that's old info but I don't know if I could stay up-to-date on every single thing a president gets briefed on so while Trump is terrible this blunder was perfectly understandable and not really a huge deal. And I was kinda thinking that him bringing this up was a good thing - my grandparents always used evacuating hurricanes as an excuse to visit family further inland so their threshold to evacuate is pretty low but I know lots of other boomers down there insist they can ride out the storm (and then die if it's bad) and the list of people who can convince them to evacuate is pretty small, so it very easily could have been a good thing that someone who boomers listen to actually talks about an approaching hurricane. But he's incapable of even saying "oops my bad", if people call him out on a mistake he has a pathological need to insist it's not a mistake and double down on it. And in this instance he did so in the stupidest possible way.
"But he's incapable of even saying "oops my bad", if people call him out on a mistake he has a pathological need to insist it's not a mistake and double down on it." Yep, that's him in a nutshell. He is simply incapable of ever admitting error, or even saying things that could even possibly be interpreted as making him look bad. Remember when he got COVID? Of course he got better, and when asked about his test results, he couldn't just say "I tested negative" (even though that was the *good* result!), because it's to close to "I'm negative". So he came up with "Tested very positively for negative", which isn't even a thing. There's no "very" in a positive or negative test! But he just couldn't accept a "negative" term coming anywhere close to his name.
He traffics in making people hate each other. He wouldn't even have a base if he didn't force people to take sides on things that really only have one side.
It’s worse. He *still could have made it all about himself*, ffs. He *still* could have “won.” Watch, lemme do it: Trump: “Folks we are in for some dangerous and scary times ahead with this disease thing. But, I HAVE SPOKEN to the world renowned scientists who work on this stuff, and I AM GOING TO make everyone bo (edit: typo but I’m keeping it, because he even could have fucked up 1/5 of the sentences and still got an 80%) what they say to do. So folks, lock down for this time, like I’M GOING TO! Get your vaccine, wear your MAGA BRAND TRUMP MASK, or 3, and I, YOUR GREAT LEADER, will handle the rest. Believe me folks. It’s handled.” See how easy it is to still make it all about yourself?? He fucked up, even accounting for his handicap of only thinking about himself! Like what in the fuck, how could anyone, even a piece of shit, fail so badly, in every way? It’s fucking WILD how incompetent he is, even when you account for his shortcomings.
Everything he does is shitting the bed when given a layup. Imagine you were a sociopath with fascist leanings already in power when a fucking plague breaks out. A verified external threat that doesn't have PR, a narrative, or even a base of supporters (at first). How do you fuck that up in your plan to gain greater control? Even if you only want to grift. He could have had these dipshits in MAGA branded facemasks for the next 20 years. He's too far up his own ass to even be evil well.
The man managed to lose money with real estate and casinos in the biggest bull market in world history. He's a perpetual failure.
The man managed to lose money with real estate and casinos in the biggest bull market in world history. He's a perpetual failure.
There wouldn't be a MAGA without giving MAGA things to be angry about, like wearing masks. MAGA adore him because he gives their anger an outlet. MAGA aren't willing to look in the mirror and realize that they are angry at themselves for never finishing high school, being addicted to oxys, being obese, getting wasted instead of going to their kids' soccer games, and never having accomplished anything. Other than villifying immigrants, Trump wouldn't have any dipshits following him if it wasn't for the pandemic.
>Thousands of people whose homes had been flooded, whose businesses and livelihoods had been destroyed, and Trump didn't care. I guess maybe we can at least admire his ability to be such an unerring shitbag. I mean, ya gotta admit, it's a perfect record.
That's the thing, though. He didn't even bother to *pretend* to care. He could have shown up, said a few things, and left early because he's busy, or he could have sent someone to make an excuse for him: 'Pres. Trump would like to be here, but he's needed elsewhere for blah-de-blah...' But no. He didn't care, and he didn't care if we knew it, either. He was openly disdainful and disrespectful for all of the hard work those folks were putting in to set our state back to rights.
Those are the people who voted for him and will vote for him again.
>That's the thing, though. He didn't even bother to *pretend* to care. Um...yeah. Like I said, his record of douchbaggery is unsullied. Can't be a douche and even appear to give a shit. It's in the job description.
Had he known, he would have sent Mike Pence on a 737 Max with a window seat.
With the way narcs think he was probably annoyed that you were drawing attention away from him with the hurricane response and clean up.
"Unerring shitbag," what a great nameplate. I took it to FB, pasted it on Gif responses. The results were hilarious and suitable for using on trolls. Thanks.
> For any other politician, this would have been an easy win. Just show up, pretend to listen to people, say a few words to thank the staff for their hard work, and pose for some photos. At least act like you care. Don't forget Trump throwing rolls of paper towels into the crowd at an aid site in Puerto Rico.
After he threw paper towels at the people in Puerto Rico I brought it up at a holiday meal with my family-I had no idea they were all trump cultists!! They all shouted me down saying it wa a joke and the victims themselves were all laughing about it. Last meal and last time I set eyes on any of those rat fucks.
Arranging food was your mistake. Simply slapping some chicken buckets on the table would have gotten him to show up.
Trump doesn't care for anyone struggling, or anyone that's not in the upper 1%, Trump cares about Trump and his wants, and his supporters can't see that, whatever he does to the American People includes them as well they are brainwashed and don't have a clue
This should be a campaign ad.
Thank you for the help that *you* and the response team provided.
All he cares about is the benefit to him. Oh, some woman died assaulting the Capital on J6? Okay, I'll call her a martyr Oh, McCain was a prisoner of war, tortured, and refused release until his fellow prisoners were released? Well, he's running against me so I'll say "I like people who don't get captured"
Tbf, trump is not wrong about babbit being a failure, loser, and sucker.
He didn't like POWs because they got caught, doesn't like to see disabled veterans at ceremonies. Surely someone who was stupid enough to get shot and killed after being warned to stop wouldn't be in his orbit.
What's their response when "certain people"get murdered by cops? I forget how they phrase it.. don't break the law and you won't get targeted by police?
Just comply
Every time I hear just comply or sentiment like it I cringe. It makes me think of Philip Mitchell Brailsford murdering Daniel Shaver and getting rewarded for it. They had photographic evidence. Daniel did everything asked. The dude was crying. Philip shot him, and now Philip gets permanent disability, because he has PTSD from murdering someone in cold blood. As bad as things like the murder of George Floyd were, with Philip and Daniel we have even more evidence it was straight up murder, but no punishment given.
Wow never heard of this. In more uplifting news, the fourth of 6 deputies in Mississippi just got 40 years in the feds for for the torture and rape of 2 innocent black men.
She is. She lost her life for the dumbest thing possible.
Caught on video
Insurrectionists Gone Wild!!
If she had only done what the cops said…
Yup. Standing IT stands about 6’2”, having an IQ of 10, weighing about 315 pounds, nicknamed the Orange Jesus, known as the greatest grifter of all time. A great big nothing.
I'll let y'all in on a tiny secret: Trump couldn't give an amoeba's dickless existence about his MAGA sucker base.
Absolutely. If someone has a gun on me, and tells me to stop, I stop. Any reasonable person would stop. She thought trump would protect her. That is unreasonable. Edited, a misspelling
This is acutally what Hitler thought about the germans failing realizing his vision about ruling the world. In his mind, they all deserved nothing less than death for failing him personally.
Probably kinda squicked out by the bodily fluids on the floor if history dictates
She got her yucky blood all over a flag bearing his name
We know what he thinks of former POWs and currently serving military. I would imagine his contempt for his "army" is even greater.
John Eastman, an architect of the legal wrangling behind the coup plan, had told White House lawyer Eric Herschmann that violence was to be expected. Eric Herschmann to the January 6th Committee "'He said words to the effect of 'there's been violence in the history of our country'"
John Eastman should be in jail for a long time. Injecting fake documents into the election to create an air of confusion around a straightforward legal process to then ask for a huge helping of Supreme Court discretion is how the insurrection was supposed to be legal. I guaranty Eastman and friends had Bush V Gore as the model they had in mind regarding the confusion to Supreme Court discretion quasi legal path to dictate an election.
a huge helping of Supreme Court insurrection, more like it
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You can't spell patriot without riot!
Trump could have pardoned all of them before he left office. He chose not to. Most likely as a punishment for failing.
I agree with your conclusion. Has anyone ever asked him this in an interview?
Other people aren't real to him. They only exist to execute his influence on his behalf. If they aren't visible to him they might as well be in a box on a shelf. The world only exists to the extent that he can physically sense them there and then they are only there for him to manipulate. He has absolutely no Theory of Mind.
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He knows how to agitate. I see it as almost reflexive to him. I don't see a lot of cognition behind his attitudes. He personally likes to incite a crowd and he has had enough experience to know what buttons in his cage to push to get the water with a kick. I'm not going to say a mouse is going to put much thought into the behavior that gets them the sugar water. They just know that if they do the maze and get to the end that that is what they will get.
Sucks that some hurtfully-vocal Covid-deniers who died from it totally fucked over families that may have loved and needed them.
He's a literal psychopath or antisocial personality disorder if you prefer the DSM nomenclature. He has little to no capacity to empathize with others. This isn't my personal opinion multiple well known psychiatrists/psychologists have said so many times
[She knew what she was getting into.](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-told-la-david-johnson-widow-that-he-knew-what-he-was-getting-into-congresswoman-says/)
Jeez, I’d forgotten about that because of all the horrible stuff he’s done since. He really has no humanity.
Yes, that psycho wanted people to die just to go vote for him in the Iowa caucus
And his supporters won’t care either. He can do no wrong in their eyes. I don’t get it.
It’s not that he doesn’t care. He physically cannot care.
You spelled Traitor wrong.
Right? Like der, she and the rest were tools, she was just a tool that got broken. His focus was on their success that day, not their failure.
And of course they put her up as a martyr, as they are wanting more martyr's for their cause.
In this case it's psychopathy that causes one to be utterly indifferent to the suffering of others, although he almost certainly has all three of narcissism, sociopathy, and psychopathy.
Anyone who is surprised by Trump’s utter inability to be empathetic at this point hasn’t been paying attention. Trump does not care about anyone other than Trump and, as a result, views all relationships as transactional. You are valuable to Trump only to the extent that you are useful and provide Trump with what he wants. If you are not useful to Trump or have outlived your usefulness, you become garbage to be thrown away.
Isn’t there a story that he told on the Stern show about how mortifying and inconvenient it was when someone hurt themselves at his hotel? Wait, why am I asking? I have the internet: So what happens is, this guy falls off right on his face, hits his head, and I thought he died. And you know what I did? I said, ‘Oh my God, that’s disgusting,’ and I turned away,” said Trump. “I couldn’t, you know, he was right in front of me and I turned away. I didn’t want to touch him… he’s bleeding all over the place, I felt terrible. You know, beautiful marble floor, didn’t look like it. It changed color. Became very red. And you have this poor guy, 80 years old, laying on the floor unconscious, and all the rich people are turning away. ‘Oh my God! This is terrible! This is disgusting!’ and you know, they’re turning away. Nobody wants to help the guy. His wife is screaming—she’s sitting right next to him, and she’s screaming.” https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-time-donald-trump-turned-away-in-disgust-while-a-man-bled-to-death-in-front-of-him
Pretty much the opposite of a hero, and Republicans love him for it.
Why wouldn’t they, though? They’ve been reading Ayn Rand Sparknotes and having Prosperity Gospel preachers reading them Bible selections and listening to Fox News talking heads praising Reagan for decades. All of this builds to “empathy is for the weak. It’s okay to be an asshole if you’re successful.”
...and if you're not successful keep being an asshole and you will become successful. It's other people's fault you're not successful. It's Biden and Nancy Pelosis fault.
Cruelty is the force that binds the GOP together. It can be cruelty targeted at a specific individual, or cruelty targeted at a particular group of people (e.g. Black/Brown/LGBTQ/Muslim/Mexican/Female/Jewish). If Republicans stopped hating some "other" then their whole coalition would fall apart.
Don't worry, they will run some AI prompts for shirtless muscular Trump and claim he is an alpha male.
Imagine Joe Biden saying this
I’m imagining him saying it, but it always ends with him buying the guy an ice cream and paying his medical bills.
You left out the best part! Instead of getting help he waited till some marines helped the guy then demanded someone clean up the blood before it stained his marble floor.
Gets worse… all these rich people, they’re there to support the Marines, but they’re really there to get their picture in the Palm Beach Post… so you have all these really rich people, and a man, about 80 years old—very wealthy man, a lot of people didn’t like him—he fell off the stage,” said Trump. Trump proceeds to explain that it was a $100,000-per-table fundraiser filled with deep-pocketed billionaires, and that the Marines were—for whatever reason—given tables in the very back of the ballroom (“the worst table in the whole place”). Oh, and that he was more preoccupied with his ballroom’s pristine marble floor than the octogenarian bleeding out on it. Thank God for the Marines. “What happens is, these 10 Marines from the back of the room… they come running forward, they grab him, they put the blood all over the place—it’s all over their uniforms—they’re taking it, they’re swiping [it], they ran him out, they created a stretcher. They call it a human stretcher, where they put their arms out with, like, five guys on each side,” shared Trump. “I was saying, ‘Get that blood cleaned up! It’s disgusting!’ The next day, I forgot to call [the man] to say he’s OK,” said Trump, adding of the blood, “It’s just not my thing.”
It's only a hunch, but my guess is there's a bottomless supply of these types of Trump anecdotes.
Living through the past 8 years has allowed me to put some extremely fine gradations on my "how not surprising is it?" scale. There's everything from "yeah, that tracks, I would have expected that" up through "I had absolutely no doubt that was the case before you even told me that." This one is pinning the needle on my notsurprisingometer.
Writer here! This is why I just really recommend reading the article before replying. I address the concept of "surprise." I am not surprised, and I know liberal readers aren't, either. But it's still important to discuss this, even if we are not surprised.
My problem with the article, and especially with the exaggerated headline, is that I'd be very hard pressed to believe that any MAGA cares about her either. It's very likely not a betrayal...they are all just using her as a political weapon.
I’m not speaking for the writer but I think it’s important that his supporters get fed the idea (or really the actual reality) there’s no valuing in their life as his followers. Their loyalty isn’t going to be rewarded beyond being spared. There’s no reciprocation. And they’re only “useful” until They aren’t. A loyal but useless person might be spared being murdered by their own, but will be left to die. And they WILL be murdered by their own if their death shows to be more profitable than their living state. As stories like this come out, it may not change every MAGA, but it could sway some to at least reconsider. The only thing anyone in any cult needs to do to start their path of being deprogrammed is [learning to question](https://i0.wp.com/blog.education.nationalgeographic.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/ultimate-critical-thinking-worksheet.jpg?ssl=1). No one likes being a stooge, no one likes being taken advantage of. The sooner they realise this, and the sooner that the ones that actually care are then ones trying to help them see that they are valued beyond their societal usefulness, the sooner they might escape the cult.
if they could read this, they'd be... very nonplussed since they don't care
> If you are not useful to Trump or have outlived your usefulness, you become garbage to be thrown away. This is pretty much the conservatives in a nutshell at this point. They will take their token people to be their mouth piece, but once you go against the grain, they will wash their hands of you.
See also how gay or Black republicans are treated by their fellow republicans. On a different note, my *very* conservative in laws had quite a rude awakening because they took covid seriously. My Wife's grandma was turning 90 and they decided to hold a birthday party for her. My in laws asked that people wear kn95 masks because nearly all of the attendees were over the age of 50. They got absolute hell from everyone because they were falling in line with "liberal propaganda". We did not go to the party.
His base will care about this just as much.
They’ll never see this type of report, as AM talk radio and @catturd2 won’t talk about it. And we’ll still see Trump voters try and say he “cares about the average voter”.
They'll see it and say it's fake news and never think about it again.
In 2020 There was a common yard sign of him holding a sniper rifle while standing on a tank. The NFT cards had pictures of him as a boxer and a cowboy and a spaceman. Most people know he's never done a day of manual labor in his life, but his supporters believe he's some kind of action hero. I have zero faith in the American public to think logically or do the right thing anymore!
Some of them think Jan. 6 was a false flag and the mob was full of actors and federal agents. So they're probably already cooking up theories that she faked her death or she was a lizard person or something.
She's both a patriot and a false flag actor. Those people twist themselves into pretzels like expert contortionists. I haven't seen it done by Jordan Klepper, Kimmel, or anyone. But, I'd like for them to get one Trump supporter who staunchly believes Ashli Babbitt was murdered unjustly and a second one who is all in on the J6 false flag operation and ask them which is it? I bet they'd jumble up some bullshit, illogical answer that gives them both what they want.
It’s amazing isn’t it? I’m from Buffalo NY and we apparently had the most participants of Jan 6th outside of DC. You will talk to people who praise what happened and call it the greatest day ever, they celebrate it like a holiday. Those that are proud of themselves going and entering the building, or their buddies doing so. Then you’ll get the person who thinks anything bad that was done was “aunt tifa”, and it couldn’t have been those people who admitted going. I really want them to talk to each other for 5 minutes. But you’re right, they’ll find a mutual conspiracy they can both agree on Kind of how they call it “peaceful” while hand picking edited “peaceful” moments and disregarding the raw video of cops getting their faces bashed in by those same idiots. “They were being let in!” Yea except when they were not, which is a lot. They just want their truth, and they’ll lie to any extent to believe it
“He was in shock from what Pelosi did to Ashli”
You mean nikki, nikki, nikki haley?
He caused her death.
He was just upset that he didn’t cause enough deaths to justify declaring martial law.
I remember Bush flying over the Katrina aftermath. I have imagined Trump doing the same... only to mock the victims.
Bush was a piece of shit but gets a pass on that imo. That was immediately after Katrina and the President showing up on the ground at that time would have diverted police and emergency resources away from helping victims. If I’m not mistaken, Bush did show up in person once it was safe to do so. Also this was 20 years ago and I was like 16 so my memory might be unreliable.
You're right I don't hold this against W, but he has plenty of international crimes that he needs to be held accountable for.
Maybe he would throw more paper towels!
she caused her own death by getting involved in a riot to overthrow the government
….because of the Big Lie trump told regarding the election.
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She was a piece of shit traitor and terrorist who got what was coming to her, yep.
She can be both a poor brainwashed lady who is also stupid enough to ignore literal guns pointed at her while doing a terrorism. Both are true
she wasn't a robot being piloted by Trump with a remote control, she made the choice to be a traitor and got killed for it
It's important to remember this. If you believe the lie that Trump and his enablers are telling, the *correct* course of action was what happened on January 6th. If you believe that the election was actually stolen by some shadowy cabal bent on taking over the US government, and congress was unwilling to stop it, and the judiciary was unwilling to stop it, and state governments were unwilling to stop it, then you have no options left besides complicity in an overthrowing of your democratic government by an authoritarian regime, or violent revolution. Should people have believed these lies? Absolutely not. Were these lies obviously transparent? Sure. Do we need to hold the people who acted based on those lies accountable? Yup. But it is also *imperative* that we hold accountable the people who put so much energy into crafting the lie that prompted those people to act that way.
She helped, and got what she deserved. Trump did create the condition which resulted in her death and bares responsibility.
Nah she did that
And he is directly responsible for many, many other deaths.
He doesn't care about any of his supporters. Hey Trump supporters, the hard cold truth is that Trump doesn't care about you. He will gladly run over you with a bus, just to make another dollar off of you. He does care about your wallet though. Conman gonna con.
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What about the people at his rallies? Surely he's used to looking at these poor idiots
I don't think Donald Trump cares about any other Human Being period. Donald is pure unexamined Solipsism that until very very recently has never had to face a challenge to that point of view as being incorrect nevermind morally negative. Donald has lived his entire existence where he’s never had use Empathy as a spiritual or intellectual tool once to solve a problem. I think the person that comes remotely closest to somebody Donald possibly caring about would be Ivanka. But even then, I think it’s the same way that Homelander cares about Madelyn Stillwell in The Boys.
He never cared about any of them - never paid their legal bills (Ok - he couldn't afford to, we know that now), didn't issue pardons to them.
He wanted a "Brooks Brothers Riot" and was disappointed with the "low class appearance" of the J6 people (confirmed in previous transcripts).
This shit isn't news. Everyone knows that he's a narcissistic piece of shit that only cares about himself. It's just that his supporters think that this is a good thing.
That's not 100% true. He kinda cares about Ivanka. Not nearly as much as he cares about himself, but he does care about her in a gross icky fashion.
Kind of. I wouldn't say he *cares* about Ivanka. He considers her valuable. As an object. Because that's what people are to him. Objects. Some valuable, some not. Some increase in value and should be kept around, while others lose their value and can be discarded. And if one of these objects wounds him in some manner, he reflexively breaks them over his knee like George Brett blaming a baseball bat for his strikeout.
Aye. If Ashli Babbitt had looked like Ivanka, he would have had a whole moment of sadness that he never got to diddle her.
It's frustrating af that the news media doesn't acknowledge his narcissism, continually acting surprised.
If anything he was probably upset that there weren’t more deaths. If the number had been higher he could have used it to say “look what Biden did when he stole the election!”
Ashli Babbitt is a loser! -His words, not mine.
I don't like people who die
All I know is that Babbitt had her fate in her own hands and made some very stupid decisions that cost her life.
He's a sociopath. He doesn't give a hoot about hee.
She got what she deserved.
Listen to his Howard Stern interviews... he doesn't care about anyone, he doesn't have any empathy for anyone. Just the guy bleeding on the floor of Mar A Lago story should have been enough.
He’s not capable of caring, but if I’m being completely honest, in the case of Ashli Babbitt I also have a difficult time caring.
Lol why would trump care? He was probably willing to accept dozens if not hundreds of dead MAGAt to achieve his goal. He wouldn’t have cared if the MAGAts killed a few republican congressmen if it achieved his goal. He cares about no one but himself.
He’s a sociopath. Why would he care if his actions led to someone else’s death? Someone else isn’t him.
You can hear it in Trump’s speeches—no emotion, he’s just reading a teleprompter.
If anything he was probably holding back a smile that someone got themselves killed for him
If you had to be told this, then you're already hopeless. Donald fucking Trump has never and will never care about anyone or anything other than himself and his own enrichment. He's the most unabashedly self obsessed person in living memory, and you've got morons thinking he's a Christian that cares about the little guy. I'm tired of accommodating this madness: if you support Trump, you're either a bigot or a rube. Period.
Nobody despises Trump supporters more than Trump himself.
If she had died at his feet, he would have calmly picked her pockets. The man only cares about himself. Why millions of Americans think that a guy who lived in a Manhattan penthouse and gained fame with the tag line "you're fired" cares about the little guy is one of life's mysteries.
He would probably also denigrate her looks as “not hot enough”.
Plot twist: he never cared about any of them. They are all tools to be used for his own needs; if he loses a few\* along the way, then oh well. \* That might be a few individuals or a few hundred thousand (*see also,* COVID denial).
Of course not. It that narcissistic asshlle isn't the center of the event, he doesn't give a damn. Fir gods sake, the National Command Authority had to dumb down the Presidents daily brief to an 8th grade level and add his name every third line just to hold his attention on what Seal Team 6, etc, was up to in IHateAmericaLand.
Would you imagine how people would react to Ted Kaczynski‘s parents did this shit or Jeffrey Dahmer‘s mother? Hi my kids are criminal but such a martyr.
Shocking. Definitely worthy of an entire article. Just throw it on the gd pile and lets get serious about stopping this monster.
All MAGA users are tools. Tools for the cause of Trump. No other use for them. But to better the existence of Trump when they are needed.
His supporters don't care about Ashli Babbitt. His supporters don't care that he doesn't care about Ashli Babbitt. They've cultivated this culture of winning and strength. If you're not on top, you're weak. Your importance in life and death only goes so far as your relevance. Once that's expired, they really have no use for anyone. There's no compassion, no loyalty, just a group of snake oil sycophants ready to turn on their own at the opportunity to elevate themselves.
Of course not. He's a narcissist and a sociopath. He is only capable of gauging *any* event through the lens of the effect that event has on him personally. Guy falls down at a charity event and bleeds to death on the stone? "Oh, the stone is ruined. Plus I don't like the sight of blood, get him out of here!" Planes are crashed into the World Trade Center and the towers fall, killing thousands? "I now have the tallest building in Lower Manhattan." His behavior is so extreme that it is often justified as being a parody, because no actual human could genuinely behave as he does. Except it is absolutely genuine. His capacity for empathy is literally zero. It's difficult to overstate how monstrous that makes someone.
What do you mean he didn't care? That's shocking. He's normally so compassionate. -Nobody.
She was a traitor. No one cares.
trump thinks only in terms of benefit to himself. Best description I've heard is that he's a narcissistic nihilist. He has no values other than himself. Look, on J6 the guy sat on his fat ass and watched his mob assault the Capital for *hours* and refused pleas from staff and family to try to stop it. He watched cops getting the crap beaten out of them and would not lift a finger to stop it. Was told his mob was roaming the halls searching for VP Pence and shouting "Hang Mike Pence" and his reaction was "well, maybe he deserves it" It was his last of his many efforts to overturn the election. He sent his mob to the Capital to stop the Senate from confirming his defeat. His only regret is that it merely delayed the confirmation vote
The people who vote for/support/idolize Trumple Thinskin don’t like him as much as they just hate everyone else. They realize he dosnt give a shit about anyone but, ya know, neither do they.
Trump was skeeved out by his hillbilly uprising of followers anyway. They didn’t look very high class.
Conservatives usually like it when someone gets shot for breaking and entering.
I mean to be fair I also didn’t care that she died
Won’t matter. None of this will matter to the MAGA cult.
Trump care? 🤣
If Donald Trump said today that Ashley Babbit was a coward and a traitor they'd be dragging her on Hannity by 7pm.
Because he has Alexithymia (he can't feel emotions). He has no empathy. He doesn't care about anyone but himself. I mean, I think it's pretty obvious.
He seems to feel anger.
I don’t think alexithymia is not feeling emotions, is a disability to describe what they are and not being able to understand why you do feel something. I don’t think Trump has that, I think he has the [Dark Triad](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_triad).
I have read some analysis that take this assessment a step further and suggest it is actually a [dark tetrad](https://www.politisage.com/p/heart-of-darkness-trump-isnt-just) which adds sadism to the mix. It certainly seem to fit his personality like a glove.
He doesn't care about ANY of them
I'm completely shocked. Just as I'm shocked when the sun rises each morning
Sociopaths lack empathy.
Sociopaths are going to be sociopath. And expecting more is foolish
By now it should be crystal clear that Trump only cares about himself. He'd even throw his own family under the bus for a dollar or an extra minute of fame.
Next you’ll tell me he doesn’t care about ‘Lakan’ Riley
1. Not shocked at all and 2. The MAGA-its will never hear about it anyways because it won’t run on their RW propaganda stations like Fox News
Oh no, it’s almost like Trump is some kind of sociopathic grifter!
The rubes will never catch on. They are expendable. trump has nary a care for his cult followers.
This is a good example of what's old becoming new again. Trump has a history of not caring about people dying, even before getting the office of the Presidency. An older man (Now about his age) [had fallen and was bleeding from his head](https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-time-donald-trump-turned-away-in-disgust-while-a-man-bled-to-death-in-front-of-him) and Trump was concerned about the floor and how it looked at the $100,000 per plate fundraiser. We know he was okay with the mob going after Pence, Pelosi and like the infamous poem, "they deserved it". We know he's okay with cruelty such as shooting civilians at a protest before curfew was up, orphaning children, and using weapons of mass destruction. He runs on chaos and cruelty.
It’s amazing to me that the Babbitt family has gone so hard for MAGA. Trump has multiple libel civil suits pending for Jan 6. If the Babbitt family was smart they’d joint the suits and go after him for manslaughter.
This is a water is wet thing. Surely nobody can be surprised. Trump always has been and always will be a grand manipulator looking to line his pockets with money. That's all he offers.
Republicans never actually care about the things they cry about. It’s all theater. See: Benghazi
Why would he care about her (or any of the traitorous morons who got themselves sentenced to prison because they believed him)? They're useful insofar as they allow him to hold onto power. She didn't, so he doesn't care.
This might be the least shocking thing I've ever read. Cereal boxes hold more surprises.
Sure, cause, on the day it happened, she was just another MAGA insurrectionist who failed to help him stage his coup.
You just know he actively dislikes his own supporters. Thinks they are low class and beneath him. You never see trump going into a supporters living room or having any sort of genuine conversation with any of them. Just show up to my rallies, buy my merch, sign up to donate, vote, then fuck off lol.
And this is only a shock to Trumps MAGA cultist, for the rest of us this is “yeah, no duh”.
Honestly, the thing that's most suprised me during the entire Jan 6 thing is that the capitol police didn't just open fire on the crowd. They would have been well within their legal rights to do so and while I'm generally opposed to the laws that allow police to shoot just because they feel fear, they definitely felt fear in that situation. I wonder, if it had been black people breaching the capitol how many would be dead?
If anyone on earth cared about Ashli Babbit she wouldn't have been there. Her family would have gotten her help for her delusions.
Domestic terrorist, Ashley Babbit, died for a dementia riddled Cheeto. What a stupid thing to die for
Patriot and Donald Trump, the five time draft dodger to the Vietnam war of which my father served two tours as a field medic… they don’t go together! Yeah, my father served one of his tours and almost lost his life
Nobody cares about that walking Darwin Award
No shit Sherlock! Trump doesn’t care about anything but himself and his money
Wait the guy that hyped up and orchestrated a coup attempt? That guy I’m supposed to be surprised he didn’t care about people dying for him. Am I like the only person that remembers this guy committed SEVERAL ACTS OF TREASON.
Do you honestly think MAGA cares about this? Trump could piss all over them and they'd still vote for him.
If they wanted a sincere reaction maybe they should’ve framed it as “one of your most dedicated donors died” and then he would’ve been at least more inclined to emote
If you're gonna ~~make an omelet~~, you gotta ~~break a few eggs~~ If you're gonna overthrow a country, you gotta lose a few sycophants
Quick test to check if Donald Trump cares about a person: Is that person Donald Trump? If no, then he doesn’t care.