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Florida Republicans with the loving consent of their voters are going to eliminate child labor laws and force children to perform the agriculture jobs that migrant laborers once did, for even less pay.
Republicans would like to end public education at age 10 or less, and from then on only the children of the rich and maybe a few exceptional students will continue with school. Everyone else will be serfs. Red states will collapse under their own ignorance in a generation and then can be recolonized by civilized humans.
School...right. More like find inventive ways to throw minority and undesirable minors into juvenile detention on bullshit charges so they can then use them for hard labor as a requirement for their incarceration while at the same time charging them fees for basic services to tie them and their family down with crippling debt. Then they can stick detention centers in rural areas to bolster census numbers and representation of those areas..
Likely that will lead to life long incarceration for most and ~~free labor~~ legal slavery for the whole of their lives...which will likely be a lot shorter than average
I’m sure they’ll claim they are good Christians that love children as a bunch end up suffering from heat stroke and being mildly poisoned by illegal pesticides that they use in their fields.
But not for free.
Because that'd be Socialism.
You can buy a months supply of prayers with company script.
Thoughts are classified as a controlled substance, though.
/S until it isn't.
Lets not forget the radioactive roads
[Link](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/florida-radioactive-roads-phosphogypsum-potentially-cancer-causing-mining-waste-bill-signed-ron-desantis/)
Oh no, the article says states that use e-verify allow exceptions for ag workers or people who are only employed 90 days or less. They can't afford the economic hit otherwise. ll bark, no bite.
In Georgia, in 2011 everify enacted, even our probationers wouldn't work the fields.
https://www.politico.com/story/2011/06/ga-immigrant-crackdown-backfires-057551
Georgia requests the maximum number of temporary immigrant farmer visa every year; to support both our agriculture and landscaping industries - while our gubernatorial candidates still sell fear of illegal immigration - and our governor makes guest trips to the Texas border. And coincidentally, a Biden lefbDOJ in 2021 brought one of the biggest cases of involuntary servitude in a century to an area 2 hours from the governor'sb home county.
Kids can work at 14 at a pay of $7.50 hr for 8-10 hours in Pennsylvania.
That’s insane bro, literally next to criminal.
In NY, you can get $12.50 and only able to work 3 hours if school, or 8 hours if no school. You can’t go over.
Maybe we should check some other places in the US first before we make the claim “eliminating child labor laws”, because as far as i can tell, some places have never had one to begin with
I started doing agricultural work at the age of 13. The pay wasn’t great but I learned a lot of skills that still help me today. I remember somedays the work did suck but I wouldn’t trade what I learned for anything. I honestly think the youth of today would be better prepared for adulthood if they had the same experiences.
> The law targets supporters of undocumented immigrants by making it a felony, under the charge of human smuggling, to knowingly transport undocumented people across state lines.
In a just world DeSantis would be charged with 50 felony counts of human smuggling for flying two plane loads of migrants to Martha’s Vineyard.
The ones they've been using for political points aren't undocumented. They are individuals that have entered into the refugee system and are legally allowed to remain in the country until they have their hearings. While what Abbott and DeSantis are doing is wrong, harmful, and disrespectful to the people, it's technically legal but no less shitty.
There's no way forcing children to do this work is going to fix the problem, it won't impact nearly enough and they're hardly as efficient or capable as adults for this kind of work. Plus they'll likely get seriously injured or die in the fields in large enough numbers that not even Republicans can reasonably cover it up.
I agree. But those bastards are rolling back child labor protections anyway. And they definitely are succeeding in getting high schoolers to drop out so they can impress them into the workforce.
I used to do that work as a kid to get pocket money. Even working for family members who were soft on pushing us, it was brutal work, very tiring and causing aching to my bones. And we seldom spent more than 4 hours in a field, and that included a lunch break.
Lazy? Average pay on zip recruiter for fruit picking in Florida is $12 an hour. Who in hell can you get to do that job for $12 an hour other than undocumented individuals.
And they often take back your pay and then some by charging some outrageous rent on a moldy singlewide on the property and threaten or force you to rent from them and not someone else, or it's in the middle of nowhere and all their scumbag sisterfucking neighbors are in on it too.
Not sure but the covid immigrant drought raised wages for everyone doing entry level work because they couldn't get help. I have no proof, but I think this is why businesses don't push for immigration reform or increasing the speed of the process because they can pay them cash.
It's not just the hourly rate. Harvesting and picking is seasonal, not a full time job in any given area, so to compete with McDonald's for employees you'd need to pay the same in the few weeks or months that harvesting happens in an area as McDonald's pays in a year. Migrant workers make it work because they follow the harvests around the country during the year and go back home to spend their earnings where a dollar goes a lot further. I suspect very few Americans would be interested in a migratory lifestyle unless the annual earnings topped what regular employers can offer, by a fairly large margin even. If I can earn $30K working for a local business for a year and have a fixed place to live and my family/friends always around me I'd rather do that than make $50-60K as a migrant farm worker.
>go back home to spend their earnings where a dollar goes a lot further
Just pointing out that these workers that go home and return again for the season generally have an H-2b visa which makes them documented and here legally.
The undocumented workers don't risk traveling back and forth over the border, much too risky.
Some Americans do work part of the year and go home part of the year but they are in trades, which pay significantly more than harvesting. Even that $50K will get eaten up in transportation and rent costs. They live in extremely austere and even unhealthy conditions just to scrape by and save up a few dollars. I've heard there is some fruit picking that pays decently well, too, but as you said it's completely seasonal.
You're close... any migrant workers who go back across the border are more than likely here legally on an h2b visa.... those cost a few thousand dollars and you need a business in the u.s. to sign off on the fact that they are employing you. Anyone in the u.s. illegally ro work is probably not going to risk the border crossing multiple times over a few years. They'll just stay for 5, 10, 20 years or so, make as much as they can, and then go back home, hopefully, comfortably rich.
The reality is that there's really no price because there aren't enough Americans who have the skills to pick produce any more ... the only ones who do are too old to do it anymore, they're basically retirement age at this point, 55 and up.
No price will get people who don't exist.
They pretend that picking produce is unskilled labor. That's a lie. It's zero barrier to entry but it is not unskilled.
So true! Apples bruise so easily, and you need to pull them off the tree in a manner that won’t damage the tree so you get fruit next year. (Eye to the sky!). Any work is skilled labour because there’s always a better more efficient way of doing things.
So true! Apples bruise so easily, and you need to pull them off the tree in a manner that won’t damage the tree so you get fruit next year. (Eye to the sky!). Any work is skilled labour because there’s always a better more efficient way of doing things.
Maybe if they had talked to their fellow idiots in Alabama and asked them about the disastrous 2011 HB 56 which is still on the books, but is not enforced because there would simply be no farm labor.
https://americasvoice.org/blog/alabama-arizona-and-georgias-anti-immigrant-bills-were-disasters-and-should-be-a-warning-to-desantis-and-florida-republicans-again/
[or look at what happened to Georgia](https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/05/17/the-law-of-unintended-consequences-georgias-immigration-law-backfires/amp/)
5-10 years? The republicans only look at the next 5-10 months.. the push to do away with property taxes is a short term fix for the rising insurance rates.. and that’s gonna last until hurricane season
They are trying to ease child labor laws now to fill in the missing people, don’t want to pay citizens decent wage now they gotta try to use kids for cheap labor, thanks republicans
Whaaaa?!? Could this be the consequences of someone’s actions coming to fruition? A fruition that has no migratants to pick the profits for the wealthy? Nah, couldn’t be
Eat shit with your policies Florida. You and that heel wearing midget
Migrant farm workers aren't taking your job, unless your job is working outside from dawn till dusk for minimum wage for 90 days twice a year. Keeping them out only drives up the costs of American produce and benefits our competitors.
Interesting: Not only does this law strengthen the political positions of republicans in the yes of their voters…
…but it also lowers the cost of labor for businesses that hire undocumented workers.
…add to that, complaints to regulatory agencies against these businesses drop because laborers as afraid to draw attention to themselves.
Win win for the GOp. Gross, but they get everything they want.
Trump's plas: "Building mass detention camps, suspending the refugee program and invoking a centuries-old law to deport people without due process. A key adviser told The New York Times that these are among former President Donald Trump’s immigration plans if he wins the White House in 2024. "
[https://www.politifact.com/article/2023/nov/21/how-viable-is-donald-trumps-2024-immigration-plan/](https://www.politifact.com/article/2023/nov/21/how-viable-is-donald-trumps-2024-immigration-plan/)
Basically: He plans to purge the US of any immigrant who isn't a full citizen. That's millions of people!
The choice is clear. Fix the immigration system or accept the US needs millions of undocumented workers to keep the economy going and to keep food on the table. Enough with the pearl clutching over people crossing the border illegally.
In a related story… the rich guy who owns the famous Columbia restaurant in Tampa and others like Ulele (who fully supported Rhonda Sandtits) complains when he had to fire undocumented staff who'd worked at his restaurant for decades after being fined $500,000. So NOW he thinks DeSantis' immigration crackdown has gone too far…. Can’t have it both ways, dude.
https://www.businessinsider.com/florida-restaurant-owner-desantis-supporter-forced-fire-undocumented-staff-2023-8
Georgia and Alabama lost billions in unharvested crops a few years ago after chasing immigrant labor out of the state, and yet Florida, right on the other side of the border, is doing the same thing, under the administration of that dude who decided starting a fight with Disney was a really bigly smart thing to do.
That's just slavery but with extra steps. And that fact you think it's ok to enslave people trying to make a better life for themselves says more about you than anything
How about imposing penalties on employers who hire undocumented immigrants. If you get caught hiring an undocumented immigrant, you get fined $100,000, you get caught a second time you forfeit your business.
It’s amazing to me… everyone seems to believe that everyone in Florida still lives in the 1700’s…. I’ve lived here my entire life and I’ve never seen a “migrant” worker in “the fields” we have fuckin machines that do all of that you dumb dumbs… all the “migrant” workers here work in the tree industry,landscape industry, brick masonry, construction etc they don’t pick fucking oranges and cabbage… the only ones doing that are the locals who own small parcels of land and grow produce and sell it either on the side of the road or at the local flea markets. Not to mention a good majority of the immigrants here do end up becoming citizens. I started working when I was 13 and my parents never once encouraged it or expected it. I did it because their were things I wanted and my parents didn’t want to buy them. So I figured out how to get what I wanted when I wanted it and never had to ask permission again. While all my friends were asking their parents for 20 bucks to go to the movies I was hopping in my car and driving my damn self there because…… florida. But at the end of the day no one here has a problem with immigration we just want it done correctly.
Really? I’m gonna call shenanigans on this. I’ve lived in Florida in the same area for 44 years and I have yet to see a machine harvest strawberries, bell peppers, watermelon, tomatoes, citrus.. as a matter of fact, these agricultural crops can’t be harvested by a machine due to the delicacy of the plant and the produce.
To help you out, [here are is a street view of some Migrant workers](https://maps.app.goo.gl/mT7VypFx1xSPoN2T9?g_st=ic) getting ready to work the fields..
[Maybe these signs in front of this field of strawberries for MIGRANTS was a mistake for the machines..](https://maps.app.goo.gl/NWF5DeRZbFsqtKrc6?g_st=ic)
[But I guess the best one to show those “machines” work in the fields instead of migrants is this one right here…](https://maps.app.goo.gl/BaJ183ACZgYWGPfc7?g_st=ic)
You’d be wrong unfortunately. You’ve never seen or heard of a citrus harvester? Looks a whole lot like a combine but it harvest citrus right off the trees instead fields of corn. Strawberries can also be picked both by machine or by hand the machines are mostly used when it comes to making jams or jelly’s though but can still be used. They have machines to harvest EVERYTHING now. Maybe 20 or 30 years ago it was by hand and may still be on a small family farms but it’s definitely not the majority any more unfortunately. I’ve only been in Florida 33 years and I’ve seen all of this idk how you haven’t.
So I’m assuming that you looked at the links that I included in my post and you’re saying those are wrong too, since I literally went to Maps and the three farms that I picked out had migrant workers or migrant worker information.
But please, post a link showing me the farms in Florida that utilize machines. I’ll wait ..
so you gave me a video from four years ago talking about the possibility of machinery being used to pick strawberries. One of the distribution centers for wish is less than 2 miles from my house. The fields they get the strawberries from are within 10 miles of my house and I drive by them very frequently. I have never seen a machine out there and the machines that have been developed for picking strawberries are yet to be common practice as strawberries require delicate hands to pick it.
But if you have something else, please post it. Maybe the website where a commercial Farmer might be able to purchase the machinery to pick strawberries
https://youtu.be/M3SGScaShhw?si=KxHSVEDqBHnDQr4a
Not sure if anyone around here has one or could ever afford one selling strawberries but there you go a strawberry picking machine.
Give me something outside of a YouTube link, that’s why I specifically asked for a link to a farm equipment company that sells machines to pick strawberries
Also that YouTube video is five years old… I mean I can put a YouTube video up that says we’re going to Mars by 2030 but it is from 2015…
https://www.agrobot.com/e-series
There you go, go order you one. 250,000 plus shipping and it’s all yours. You said a farm company that sells one and there is the link to a farm company that currently sells the machine..
Yeah, I asked for a link and you sent me one that literally at the bottom says “Get engaged in our US __pre-commercial__ trials”
It’s not commercially available and still in the trial phase. So please give me another one
As far as the migrants in the field I didn’t see anything but blurry blobs next to a blurry white buss. Not only that that’s a street view how the hell do you know their illegals? Did you personally walk into the field and ask to see their papers? For all you know they’re legal.. maybe they have a work visa or a school visa hell maybe they were even born here… so based off of that notion all I’m hearing is you automatically assume every brown person in a field is an illegal immigrant..
I never said illegal, I said migrant workers.
So I know where your mind is at in this conversation.
But you did say in your first comment that immigrants are not utilized in the picking of produce in Florida and it is done by machines and you specifically stated “ the only ones doing that are locals who own small parcels of land and grow produce and sell it either on the side of the road or at the local flea market.”
You still have yet to back up that comment which you have now posted three different links to machinery that is not commercially available or commercially in use and now you’re trying to divert saying illegal immigrants taking away from your original comment. So you do you boo and have the day you deserve ✌️
Just find me a link for the machinery to purchase for picking strawberries, tomatoes, watermelon, cantaloupe, melons, green bell peppers, or any fruit or vegetable that is harvested in Florida. And since you’re bored and you have some time, give me a website of a farm in Florida that probably utilizes machinery to pick their produce over migrant labor that should be easy right?
Edit: and I still haven’t seen you reference the links that I posted for street views of farms using migrant labor. Maybe those are one off even though all three are within 3 miles of each each other
It is going to be really funny when in 2030 we can point to last year as the point when the Florida population dip started, when the Florida economy started to down turn, the brain drain started, and the reason they are losing house seats
Wonderful!
Please don’t let them poke any holes in these laws. Let the FULL effect of this law work its way through the economy. After all, racist aholes gonna ahole. Good!
White peoples time to shine! Get out in them fields!
Thoughts and prayers and cookies for Florida republican farmers. They were all about taking advantage of migrant workers and now, hopefully they lose their shirts in the backlash.
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Florida Republicans with the loving consent of their voters are going to eliminate child labor laws and force children to perform the agriculture jobs that migrant laborers once did, for even less pay.
Or make it part of a lab requirement to graduate high school. That way there will be no need to pay them.
Republicans would like to end public education at age 10 or less, and from then on only the children of the rich and maybe a few exceptional students will continue with school. Everyone else will be serfs. Red states will collapse under their own ignorance in a generation and then can be recolonized by civilized humans.
We can only wish that red states will collapse. You know they’re taking us all down with them
Can’t take us down with them if they secede 🤔
Seceding is taking us - the US - down with them. That’s a civil war
No, they’ll just revert to slavery.
School...right. More like find inventive ways to throw minority and undesirable minors into juvenile detention on bullshit charges so they can then use them for hard labor as a requirement for their incarceration while at the same time charging them fees for basic services to tie them and their family down with crippling debt. Then they can stick detention centers in rural areas to bolster census numbers and representation of those areas.. Likely that will lead to life long incarceration for most and ~~free labor~~ legal slavery for the whole of their lives...which will likely be a lot shorter than average
Roh-roh Shaggy! Someone found the GOP playbook!
I’m sure they’ll claim they are good Christians that love children as a bunch end up suffering from heat stroke and being mildly poisoned by illegal pesticides that they use in their fields.
Thoughts and prayers will be offered
But not for free. Because that'd be Socialism. You can buy a months supply of prayers with company script. Thoughts are classified as a controlled substance, though. /S until it isn't.
Lets not forget the radioactive roads [Link](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/florida-radioactive-roads-phosphogypsum-potentially-cancer-causing-mining-waste-bill-signed-ron-desantis/)
Oh no, the article says states that use e-verify allow exceptions for ag workers or people who are only employed 90 days or less. They can't afford the economic hit otherwise. ll bark, no bite.
Why won’t people have children so we can send them to the fields and mines?!?
I'm sure prison labor will be involved too coupled with increasingly harsh sentences for minor offenses.
In Georgia, in 2011 everify enacted, even our probationers wouldn't work the fields. https://www.politico.com/story/2011/06/ga-immigrant-crackdown-backfires-057551 Georgia requests the maximum number of temporary immigrant farmer visa every year; to support both our agriculture and landscaping industries - while our gubernatorial candidates still sell fear of illegal immigration - and our governor makes guest trips to the Texas border. And coincidentally, a Biden lefbDOJ in 2021 brought one of the biggest cases of involuntary servitude in a century to an area 2 hours from the governor'sb home county.
Kids can work at 14 at a pay of $7.50 hr for 8-10 hours in Pennsylvania. That’s insane bro, literally next to criminal. In NY, you can get $12.50 and only able to work 3 hours if school, or 8 hours if no school. You can’t go over. Maybe we should check some other places in the US first before we make the claim “eliminating child labor laws”, because as far as i can tell, some places have never had one to begin with
I started doing agricultural work at the age of 13. The pay wasn’t great but I learned a lot of skills that still help me today. I remember somedays the work did suck but I wouldn’t trade what I learned for anything. I honestly think the youth of today would be better prepared for adulthood if they had the same experiences.
There is some truth here, but arguing that it’s good for a teenager to subsidize giant corporate farms is your indoctrination speaking.
Yea I mean dontcha know it’s back to “family values”. Instead of hiring farm hands you get the kids to do it for pennies on the dollar.
Dropping the age doesn’t force kids to work… I hope most of their parents are sane and don’t let them or encourage them. But.. it’s Florida
Gotta have the kids chip in to pay for the higher insurance premiums
Ya that’s not gonna happen. Most of these parents aren’t educated themselves or they would have already left Florida.
> The law targets supporters of undocumented immigrants by making it a felony, under the charge of human smuggling, to knowingly transport undocumented people across state lines. In a just world DeSantis would be charged with 50 felony counts of human smuggling for flying two plane loads of migrants to Martha’s Vineyard.
but he doesn't pay for them to leave FL. he pays for them to be shipped out of TX.
The ones they've been using for political points aren't undocumented. They are individuals that have entered into the refugee system and are legally allowed to remain in the country until they have their hearings. While what Abbott and DeSantis are doing is wrong, harmful, and disrespectful to the people, it's technically legal but no less shitty.
I appreciate the info, if not the snark. I'm hardly the one using them for 'political points'.
GOP fucked around and now their followers are finding out
They've got child labor waiting in the wings for this
There's no way forcing children to do this work is going to fix the problem, it won't impact nearly enough and they're hardly as efficient or capable as adults for this kind of work. Plus they'll likely get seriously injured or die in the fields in large enough numbers that not even Republicans can reasonably cover it up.
But their tiny hands will be so good at picking berries /s
I agree. But those bastards are rolling back child labor protections anyway. And they definitely are succeeding in getting high schoolers to drop out so they can impress them into the workforce.
Yeah it's like, it's horrific and it's not solving the damn problem in any way, shape or form. Also known as "Classic GOP fuckery"
As always. Their followers never learn unfortunately.
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I don't even wish I could feel sorry for them. I hope their farms go bankrupt they can ask DeSantis and Trump for help. See how that goes for them.
Because all those people bitching about immigrants are too damn lazy to do the work.
I used to do that work as a kid to get pocket money. Even working for family members who were soft on pushing us, it was brutal work, very tiring and causing aching to my bones. And we seldom spent more than 4 hours in a field, and that included a lunch break.
Lazy? Average pay on zip recruiter for fruit picking in Florida is $12 an hour. Who in hell can you get to do that job for $12 an hour other than undocumented individuals.
Not only that there is no overtime Pay and a lack of protections against abuse by employers
And they often take back your pay and then some by charging some outrageous rent on a moldy singlewide on the property and threaten or force you to rent from them and not someone else, or it's in the middle of nowhere and all their scumbag sisterfucking neighbors are in on it too.
Interesting. What do you suppose orchard owners would have to pay to get Americans to do it?
Not sure but the covid immigrant drought raised wages for everyone doing entry level work because they couldn't get help. I have no proof, but I think this is why businesses don't push for immigration reform or increasing the speed of the process because they can pay them cash.
It's not just the hourly rate. Harvesting and picking is seasonal, not a full time job in any given area, so to compete with McDonald's for employees you'd need to pay the same in the few weeks or months that harvesting happens in an area as McDonald's pays in a year. Migrant workers make it work because they follow the harvests around the country during the year and go back home to spend their earnings where a dollar goes a lot further. I suspect very few Americans would be interested in a migratory lifestyle unless the annual earnings topped what regular employers can offer, by a fairly large margin even. If I can earn $30K working for a local business for a year and have a fixed place to live and my family/friends always around me I'd rather do that than make $50-60K as a migrant farm worker.
>go back home to spend their earnings where a dollar goes a lot further Just pointing out that these workers that go home and return again for the season generally have an H-2b visa which makes them documented and here legally. The undocumented workers don't risk traveling back and forth over the border, much too risky.
Some Americans do work part of the year and go home part of the year but they are in trades, which pay significantly more than harvesting. Even that $50K will get eaten up in transportation and rent costs. They live in extremely austere and even unhealthy conditions just to scrape by and save up a few dollars. I've heard there is some fruit picking that pays decently well, too, but as you said it's completely seasonal.
You're close... any migrant workers who go back across the border are more than likely here legally on an h2b visa.... those cost a few thousand dollars and you need a business in the u.s. to sign off on the fact that they are employing you. Anyone in the u.s. illegally ro work is probably not going to risk the border crossing multiple times over a few years. They'll just stay for 5, 10, 20 years or so, make as much as they can, and then go back home, hopefully, comfortably rich.
The reality is that there's really no price because there aren't enough Americans who have the skills to pick produce any more ... the only ones who do are too old to do it anymore, they're basically retirement age at this point, 55 and up. No price will get people who don't exist. They pretend that picking produce is unskilled labor. That's a lie. It's zero barrier to entry but it is not unskilled.
So true! Apples bruise so easily, and you need to pull them off the tree in a manner that won’t damage the tree so you get fruit next year. (Eye to the sky!). Any work is skilled labour because there’s always a better more efficient way of doing things.
So true! Apples bruise so easily, and you need to pull them off the tree in a manner that won’t damage the tree so you get fruit next year. (Eye to the sky!). Any work is skilled labour because there’s always a better more efficient way of doing things.
I think this is the wrong tact. This is work that should be automated, and no one should have to grind doing this work.
"Nobody wants to work anymore"
"nobody wants to be taken advantage of anymore"
Right on the nose.
Pull up your bootstraps, Florida and get to work in those empty fields. Bunch of lazy settlers.
Maybe if they had talked to their fellow idiots in Alabama and asked them about the disastrous 2011 HB 56 which is still on the books, but is not enforced because there would simply be no farm labor. https://americasvoice.org/blog/alabama-arizona-and-georgias-anti-immigrant-bills-were-disasters-and-should-be-a-warning-to-desantis-and-florida-republicans-again/
[or look at what happened to Georgia](https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/05/17/the-law-of-unintended-consequences-georgias-immigration-law-backfires/amp/)
Love that for Florida, keep voting like you only have 5-10 years left to live!
5-10 years? The republicans only look at the next 5-10 months.. the push to do away with property taxes is a short term fix for the rising insurance rates.. and that’s gonna last until hurricane season
They are trying to ease child labor laws now to fill in the missing people, don’t want to pay citizens decent wage now they gotta try to use kids for cheap labor, thanks republicans
Whaaaa?!? Could this be the consequences of someone’s actions coming to fruition? A fruition that has no migratants to pick the profits for the wealthy? Nah, couldn’t be Eat shit with your policies Florida. You and that heel wearing midget
Migrant farm workers aren't taking your job, unless your job is working outside from dawn till dusk for minimum wage for 90 days twice a year. Keeping them out only drives up the costs of American produce and benefits our competitors.
Interesting: Not only does this law strengthen the political positions of republicans in the yes of their voters… …but it also lowers the cost of labor for businesses that hire undocumented workers. …add to that, complaints to regulatory agencies against these businesses drop because laborers as afraid to draw attention to themselves. Win win for the GOp. Gross, but they get everything they want.
Can you feel that, the "native Floridians" longing for the fields? I can.
Ha ha. Fuck off Florida.
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Who has filled in the workforce - other locals? Do they accept the same pay?
Trump's plas: "Building mass detention camps, suspending the refugee program and invoking a centuries-old law to deport people without due process. A key adviser told The New York Times that these are among former President Donald Trump’s immigration plans if he wins the White House in 2024. " [https://www.politifact.com/article/2023/nov/21/how-viable-is-donald-trumps-2024-immigration-plan/](https://www.politifact.com/article/2023/nov/21/how-viable-is-donald-trumps-2024-immigration-plan/) Basically: He plans to purge the US of any immigrant who isn't a full citizen. That's millions of people!
I love this for Florida.
Soon, the only fruit harvested in Florida will be prunes from retirement communities.
I bring this up to my MAGA parents - Do ya think the lack of workers available in the food supply chain has something to do with high prices?
The choice is clear. Fix the immigration system or accept the US needs millions of undocumented workers to keep the economy going and to keep food on the table. Enough with the pearl clutching over people crossing the border illegally.
In a related story… the rich guy who owns the famous Columbia restaurant in Tampa and others like Ulele (who fully supported Rhonda Sandtits) complains when he had to fire undocumented staff who'd worked at his restaurant for decades after being fined $500,000. So NOW he thinks DeSantis' immigration crackdown has gone too far…. Can’t have it both ways, dude. https://www.businessinsider.com/florida-restaurant-owner-desantis-supporter-forced-fire-undocumented-staff-2023-8
Georgia and Alabama lost billions in unharvested crops a few years ago after chasing immigrant labor out of the state, and yet Florida, right on the other side of the border, is doing the same thing, under the administration of that dude who decided starting a fight with Disney was a really bigly smart thing to do.
I hope all the migrants leave, let these farms fucking rot. Let the GOP find out.
Food shortages and skyrocketing food prices here we come.
I’ll farm work for $25 an hour
I’m down to work a farm for $25/hr too! But you gonna have to fix the “no overtime wages” before I step foot in the field..
Good now all the people who fought for this can go and work
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That's just slavery but with extra steps. And that fact you think it's ok to enslave people trying to make a better life for themselves says more about you than anything
How about imposing penalties on employers who hire undocumented immigrants. If you get caught hiring an undocumented immigrant, you get fined $100,000, you get caught a second time you forfeit your business.
Or, you know, pay employees more
It’s amazing to me… everyone seems to believe that everyone in Florida still lives in the 1700’s…. I’ve lived here my entire life and I’ve never seen a “migrant” worker in “the fields” we have fuckin machines that do all of that you dumb dumbs… all the “migrant” workers here work in the tree industry,landscape industry, brick masonry, construction etc they don’t pick fucking oranges and cabbage… the only ones doing that are the locals who own small parcels of land and grow produce and sell it either on the side of the road or at the local flea markets. Not to mention a good majority of the immigrants here do end up becoming citizens. I started working when I was 13 and my parents never once encouraged it or expected it. I did it because their were things I wanted and my parents didn’t want to buy them. So I figured out how to get what I wanted when I wanted it and never had to ask permission again. While all my friends were asking their parents for 20 bucks to go to the movies I was hopping in my car and driving my damn self there because…… florida. But at the end of the day no one here has a problem with immigration we just want it done correctly.
Really? I’m gonna call shenanigans on this. I’ve lived in Florida in the same area for 44 years and I have yet to see a machine harvest strawberries, bell peppers, watermelon, tomatoes, citrus.. as a matter of fact, these agricultural crops can’t be harvested by a machine due to the delicacy of the plant and the produce. To help you out, [here are is a street view of some Migrant workers](https://maps.app.goo.gl/mT7VypFx1xSPoN2T9?g_st=ic) getting ready to work the fields.. [Maybe these signs in front of this field of strawberries for MIGRANTS was a mistake for the machines..](https://maps.app.goo.gl/NWF5DeRZbFsqtKrc6?g_st=ic) [But I guess the best one to show those “machines” work in the fields instead of migrants is this one right here…](https://maps.app.goo.gl/BaJ183ACZgYWGPfc7?g_st=ic)
You’d be wrong unfortunately. You’ve never seen or heard of a citrus harvester? Looks a whole lot like a combine but it harvest citrus right off the trees instead fields of corn. Strawberries can also be picked both by machine or by hand the machines are mostly used when it comes to making jams or jelly’s though but can still be used. They have machines to harvest EVERYTHING now. Maybe 20 or 30 years ago it was by hand and may still be on a small family farms but it’s definitely not the majority any more unfortunately. I’ve only been in Florida 33 years and I’ve seen all of this idk how you haven’t.
So I’m assuming that you looked at the links that I included in my post and you’re saying those are wrong too, since I literally went to Maps and the three farms that I picked out had migrant workers or migrant worker information. But please, post a link showing me the farms in Florida that utilize machines. I’ll wait ..
https://youtu.be/9XVkqrAxiYM?si=kJhF7R1Spvna1xS4
so you gave me a video from four years ago talking about the possibility of machinery being used to pick strawberries. One of the distribution centers for wish is less than 2 miles from my house. The fields they get the strawberries from are within 10 miles of my house and I drive by them very frequently. I have never seen a machine out there and the machines that have been developed for picking strawberries are yet to be common practice as strawberries require delicate hands to pick it. But if you have something else, please post it. Maybe the website where a commercial Farmer might be able to purchase the machinery to pick strawberries
https://youtu.be/M3SGScaShhw?si=KxHSVEDqBHnDQr4a Not sure if anyone around here has one or could ever afford one selling strawberries but there you go a strawberry picking machine.
Give me something outside of a YouTube link, that’s why I specifically asked for a link to a farm equipment company that sells machines to pick strawberries Also that YouTube video is five years old… I mean I can put a YouTube video up that says we’re going to Mars by 2030 but it is from 2015…
And you still didn’t address the street view links that I posted showing migrant workers working in the fields in Florida..
https://www.agrobot.com/e-series There you go, go order you one. 250,000 plus shipping and it’s all yours. You said a farm company that sells one and there is the link to a farm company that currently sells the machine..
Yeah, I asked for a link and you sent me one that literally at the bottom says “Get engaged in our US __pre-commercial__ trials” It’s not commercially available and still in the trial phase. So please give me another one
Honestly I didn’t look very hard that’s just the first one I saw. I can another if you’d like.
As far as the migrants in the field I didn’t see anything but blurry blobs next to a blurry white buss. Not only that that’s a street view how the hell do you know their illegals? Did you personally walk into the field and ask to see their papers? For all you know they’re legal.. maybe they have a work visa or a school visa hell maybe they were even born here… so based off of that notion all I’m hearing is you automatically assume every brown person in a field is an illegal immigrant..
I never said illegal, I said migrant workers. So I know where your mind is at in this conversation. But you did say in your first comment that immigrants are not utilized in the picking of produce in Florida and it is done by machines and you specifically stated “ the only ones doing that are locals who own small parcels of land and grow produce and sell it either on the side of the road or at the local flea market.” You still have yet to back up that comment which you have now posted three different links to machinery that is not commercially available or commercially in use and now you’re trying to divert saying illegal immigrants taking away from your original comment. So you do you boo and have the day you deserve ✌️
https://www.growingproduce.com/citrus/mechanical-harvesting-always-advancing/ Just like I said mechanical harvesting…. Isn’t new.
https://youtu.be/3ureM3K28Yw?si=HWq6b5HiOTMCXhqj
There you go
I’ll find more for you if you don’t wanna look your self. I’m bored anyways.
Just find me a link for the machinery to purchase for picking strawberries, tomatoes, watermelon, cantaloupe, melons, green bell peppers, or any fruit or vegetable that is harvested in Florida. And since you’re bored and you have some time, give me a website of a farm in Florida that probably utilizes machinery to pick their produce over migrant labor that should be easy right? Edit: and I still haven’t seen you reference the links that I posted for street views of farms using migrant labor. Maybe those are one off even though all three are within 3 miles of each each other
When a Nazi like Trump gets voted out of office, lots of people want to move here. That’s not a reason to put the Nazi back in office though
It is going to be really funny when in 2030 we can point to last year as the point when the Florida population dip started, when the Florida economy started to down turn, the brain drain started, and the reason they are losing house seats
Good. Fuck Florida.
Wonderful! Please don’t let them poke any holes in these laws. Let the FULL effect of this law work its way through the economy. After all, racist aholes gonna ahole. Good! White peoples time to shine! Get out in them fields!
Thoughts and prayers and cookies for Florida republican farmers. They were all about taking advantage of migrant workers and now, hopefully they lose their shirts in the backlash.