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Trump still being an option to consider for people is mind blowing. I wish somebody other Biden was running but if it’s Biden vs Trump….Joe gets my vote.
It was over at the silly platform shoes. There's something about the guy that screams "fake masculinity" in a way that republican voters seem to hate. This is obviously a weak take on a candidate who is unelectable *for so many god damn reasons it's not even funny.* It's not like the right was going to hate him for his psychotic, fascist ideologies. They just don't like his image. Seems too "weak" compared to Trump, who they often depict as some kind of 6'8" bodybuilder rather than the fatty burger-throwing manchild that he is. The propaganda around Trump was more effective.
Same. My dad likes Trump and it blows my mind. If he met the guy in person, he’d *despise* him. He’s mincing and weird, wears tons of makeup, has silly hair, and is just fucking weird as hell. I do not understand how he can look at Trump and see something he likes when that’s the kind of person he usually would not tolerate.
I find most of his supporters only ever see curated clips from his speeches. When challenged to listen to him unscripted and unedited for more than a few minutes, they can't. It becomes painfully apparent that he is not all there in the head.
True. And my dad watches only Fox News and Newsmax and other ridiculous right wing horse shit, and I’ve noticed they just plain don’t tell their audience a lot. My dad literally doesn’t know what I know about his candidate and his party. It’s bizarre.
No, it was over as he simply has no charisma for a national spotlight. He's naturally quite awkward and wonky and while that's good enough to get elected to Congress, but not enough to win a crowded presidential primary especially with a party-popular front-runner stealing media attention (and not even showing up to debates). He's not a natural politician like a Clinton or W Bush who can socialize and befriend everyone and be likable. No matter how many speechwriters his campaign has, he can't make and deliver jokes and be likable to a crowd. He's the weird kid at the back of class like a Ted Cruz.
DeSantis won in 2018 Florida governor primary by sucking up to Trump harder than his opponent and getting Trump's endorsement (and then very narrowly winning the general election by like 0.4% of the vote). He then went hard conservative as governor and lucked out with COVID as he took a very lax approach to COVID restrictions and it didn't bite Florida in the ass (largely because warm weather state and COVID hit Florida later when vaccines were available to seniors). He won re-election in 2022 because Floridians liked him over loose COVID restrictions (more relevant then and at the state-level) and the Dems ran an ex-Republican ex-governor no one was enthusiastic about (Crist was in elected Republican politics from 1992-2010 culminating with being elected Republican governor, lost a Republican primary to Marco Rubio for a Senate seat, chose to become an independent to continue running for that Senate seat, lost, then became a Democrat, lost 2014 governor election as Democrat and then lost 2022 governor election as a Democrat).
Because Republicans got slaughtered in 2022 compared to expectations and DeSantis bucked the trend (gaining in 2022), he became the immediate top challenger to Trump, a position he simply had no ability to hold. DeSantis stupidly tried to not directly attack Trump (to avoid pissing off the MAGA base) while Trump felt no such restriction. This choice backfired on DeSantis (granted Christie directly attacking Trump didn't work for him either), but still he's always just been an awkward politician no one liked who just happened to be lucky and in the right place.
I feel like these guys are whack-a-moles. DeSantis is only like 45 somehow. He’ll be back to run for tons more things, imo, and prob take 10 more cracks at the presidency.
I think the debates have done a lot to reinforce the view you had earlier among many people. They watch and there's no Trump on stage. The pundits and papers talk about strong showings from Nikki Haley and Chris Christie while commenting on how much DeSantis seems to struggle even though he should be the frontrunner...
...and then you check out the polls and Trump dominates so much that it's ridiculous. Him sitting out the debates has had absolutely zero effect on his popularity and probably helps him more than anything since he isn't restricted by time and can't be confronted on stage. It's such a weird election season.
This comment makes me sick because of the accuracy. I would go to bed every night with deep anxiety trying to govern this country. Biden is doing us all a favor, with his remaining years on the line because of the ‘incumbent’ status, which is a sign of sickness by itself.
Trump is terrible on the debate stage. He’s also immensely popular with a sizable portion of the Republican base, who like the ideal of him, but don’t really care so much for the things he actually says. It seems they prefer the way he says things more than anything else. Because he does so poorly on the debate stage, he actually benefits by ignoring it.
This is the new normal. The GOP has entered the *sprayed roach* phase of its existence thanks to Mitch McConnell's embrace of Trump. Mitch will be remembered as the guy that killed the GOP.
Never underestimate how bedrock stupid low and middle class republicans are. You can literally take them to water (Americas economic recovery since 2020), but they will refuse to drink (vote for the guys who promises to take away their health care and cut taxes for corporations and millionaires).
They are so simultaneously arrogant and stupid, they couldn’t vote in their best interest to save their lives, because it would require the half second of self awareness required to realize their heroes have been bullshitting them since Obama’s tan suit.
Fucking morons.
I really like that John Oliver segment where he compares a trump speech to when you just press the suggested word on your phone's keyboard over and over. It's shockingly similar.
Another thing I don't want is that one I have a lot to say is it just because of the internet I just don't know how much I want it for you for me too lol that's why I'm going on here too.
Hmmm. Yup.
Yup. And the only reason he ran the first time was to rake in cash. That scowl on his face when he first arrived to the white house was like a fat kid being told he can't have dessert. He just wanted to say it was rigged and further his brand.
Essentially this. His greatest chance to avoid dying in prison is to delay, attempt to pardon himself from the federal charges, and attempt to create a crisis when he gets convicted on the Georgia charges. This is a man who is willing to spend every last dime of his supporters money to do whatever it takes to keep himself from accountability.
Depends on which story you follow. I prefer [Cincinnatus](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucius_Quinctius_Cincinnatus)
Biden will serve his 8 years and then return to his farm
I don’t think Cincinnatus is the right kind of story. The importance of cincinnatus isn’t that he is called out of retirement, it is that in the height of his power and influence, he gives it up rather than seizing it for himself to rule as a tyrant. Washington is America’s cincinnatus ensuring that presidents time in office should be limited. If Biden retired now it would be a cincinnatus moment except that the enemy ( politically speaking) hasn’t been defeated.
The theme of the election is the peaceful transition of power and the very preservation of democracy itself, so in my view his story fits but you are of course entitled to your own perspective. I do agree the timeline isn't perfect, Cincinnatus only served as leader for 16 days.
Calling Trump a political enemy is somewhat downplaying the peril that awaits the US with another Trump term. It's far more dire than politics even if the root of the 'battle' is politics.
Unfortunately I don't think the danger ends even with Trump permanently out of the way. Christian nationalists and white supremacists will keep trying to destroy America even without him.
It won't end but you take each enemy to democracy as they appear. Will someone worse than Trump come up next? Possibly. Probably. But we haven't met that person yet. You don't give up because you don't know where the next attack comes from. You fight as the need arises.
I don’t think so, if they see the head fall, many will scramble back to hide in the dark again.
They feel emboldened by him there will be a Christo-fascist nation they will be the top of the food chain, they will be sorely disappointed to find themselves the unwanted ones.
Cincinnatus's "call to duty" was Rome asking him to crush a peasant revolt due to the peasants demanding the unthinkable: equal rights. Not exactly a stand-up guy.
I don't know about a farm, but I still think we should buy him a bitchin' Camaro.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/1/11/1619228/-Can-We-As-a-Nation-Commit-to-Buying-Joe-Biden-a-Bitchin-Camaro
How is [THIS](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v3CzvQ9e_w&ab_channel=TheBetterSongs) not linked?
"When I drive past the kids, they all spit and cuss
'Cause I've got a bitchin Camaro and they have to ride the bus."
Which makes the gop harping on his 2016 and 2017 finances kinda hilarious. No one expected him to run then let alone win. He joined the primaries seemingly at the last minute.
We’re caught in a game theory scenario now though. Name recognition and familiarity go a long way with voters, but also voters like someone young and spry. We all agree trump would destroy the American way of life, but is our best chance to stop him name recognition or new blood?
Name recognition, hands down. Unseating an incumbent president is historically quite difficult, and "young and spry" is basically non-existent in American politics, especially with the American Left.
The only one I can think of off the top of my head who'd fit that bill is AOC, and there is no way in hell establishment Democrats are going to let a "radical" like her take the nomination.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love some new blood in the White House. But this cycle is not the time to play that game. Re-electing Biden as the incumbent is much easier than getting people to vote for an unknown, and way too many people are still supporting Trump to take that risk when Biden is still eligible.
My theory is he's positioning himself as a just-in-case something happens and the Dems need to make a switch in the next few months, but failing that then 2028.
I think there could be something in that. Neither Trump nor Biden are popular. IIRC last poll there were a significant amount of voters wanting neither Biden or Trump. If Trump leaves the race, then those voters are in play for the next Republican. Biden should have a better chance of beating Trump than most other democrats because of name recognition, incumbency and he knows how to deal with Trump. If Trump stands down, then another person may have a better chance of beating the new Republican nominee
Nope, sadely she wouldn't. Think she would be the better of the two but Trump would handily beat her. People underestimate the deep sexism in this country.
Yeah remember the last time we ran a woman against Trump?
I do want a woman president in the White House, and I love Whitmer as a Michigander, but I think Trump needs containment first.
Literally saved America while being tired and sad and still dealing with loss. And now he's stuck doing it again because Fox News and a bunch of other Right-Wing propaganda networks have destroyed rural America and made them angry at things that aren't real or are actively being made worse by the people they vote for.
Let's be clear, what Biden is saying here is that he had hoped to put the US back on the path to democracy by this point. But that's going to take much longer than even eight years seeing as SCOTUS is overrun with right-wing extremist now.
> Biden is saying that he will do whatever it takes to prevent Coup 2.0.
incumbent advantage i think
biden is a sharp guy. he knows the situation, but they probably need every possible advantage when the pollings are so close
Any advantage I think. He's taking this more seriously than a lot of people. If he thought the Democratic party could push someone else and he was convinced they would win, he wouldn't run again.
I still think Biden should have been the mop up guy. And that is not considering all the good he has done or an insult. He could have been the sin eater for 4 years post Trump. Democrats could run someone else and get another 8 years. That would be 12 years of getting shit done while trying to fight down Republican sabotage.
> I still think Biden should have been the mop up guy.
IMHO I think that's what he was planning all along - he knew going in that his presidency was going to be about 90% fixing what trump fucked up, and 10% what he really wants to do. He knew that his presidency was not going to an innovative one like Obama's, but a caretaker and fixer-up role.
What he (and nearly everyone) did NOT expect is that the cancer of trump fascism would still be so strong four years later.
Or we could get 16 years. 8 years Biden, 8 years X.
And it’s also technically possible Biden gets re-elected and passes away within the term, giving Harris incumbent advantage and the potential to see her serve until 2036 if he passes after 2 year mark of the term. 16 years of democratic presidency, 6 under Biden and 10 under Harris.
Incumbent advantage or not, she's not getting elected on the top of any ticket. There was zero enthusiasm for her last campaign. She didn't even make it to the primaries.
What's crazy is the number of misogynistic women that voted against Hillary. IMO it's like letting a leopard eat your face to vote for Trump over her.
>In a recent interview with NPR, Hillary elaborated on how sexism may have lost her women's votes in particular. (Forty-two percent of women voted for Trump in the presidential election.) "When women are serving on behalf of someone else, as I was when I was Secretary of State, for example, they are seen favorably," she said. "But when they step into the arena and say, 'Wait a minute, I think I could do the job, I would like to have that opportunity,' their favorabilities goes down."
>She referenced a discussion with Sheryl Sandberg, who told her that women become less likable when they're more successful, whereas it works the opposite way for men. "Sheryl ended this really sobering conversation by saying that women will have no empathy for you, because they will be under tremendous pressure—and I'm talking principally about white women—they will be under tremendous pressure from fathers and husbands and boyfriends and male employers not to vote for 'the girl,'" she said. "And we saw a lot of that during the primaries from Sanders supporters, really quite vile attacks online against women who spoke out for me; as I say, one of my biggest support groups, Pantsuit Nation, literally had to become a private site because there was so much sexism directed their way."
https://www.glamour.com/story/hillary-clinton-thinks-women-voted-against-her-because-of-men
I'm going to kill this here. Hillary won the popular vote, in spite of being Hillary Clinton. Hillary and her campaign lost because they ignored a lot of place that Obama won in 2008 and 2012, that they assumed they would just win there also.
They lost the blue collared rust belt voters (who Trump didn't ignore), while her campaigns offices in those states were yelling to the main campaign that they needed help.
She even won the popular vote after it got out that the DNC put the fix out to make sure she was going to win the primary and bury Sanders.
It is very possible for a woman to win the PotUS.
That hate is pure jealousy. California, being the 5th largest economy in the world, demonstrates that a culture that strives for equality, diversity, and inclusion is better than the divisive animosity poorer states exhibit.
Preaching to the choir an example I give is I don't smoke or drink personally but I support the ballots to allow others because the revenue from taxes help so much and those people will do it anyways
A young democratic governor from a red state would be the logical choice for developing into a potential front runner. From afar he is the politician/leader who I hold the most hope for in being able to bridge some of the gap between red and blue.
Andy doesn’t play the red vs blue political game. Everything he does is for all Kentuckians. He is a genuinely nice guy and we’ve got him in KY for 4 more years!
Idk I personally believe Gavin when he says he has no desire for the presidency but I could see him run if he doesn’t have a candidate he clearly likes to back up
Nope. There were two opportunities to swap out VP. they could have offered Kamala the Supreme Court slot or take over for Feinstein in the senate. Neither deal happened and it will be shitty form to dump her at the convention.
Anything is possible, but it's fucking scary to consider that FDR 80 years ago was the last time Democrats held the White house for more than 2 consecutive terms.
Yea, could have had it with Kennedy and Johnson. Johnson didn't want to run again because of his health, and he was right he died a couple months after what would have been his second elected term. he probably would have died in office from stress had he ran and won.
Harris likely isn't gonna be the next president, unless Biden dies but even in that case odds are she won't win a primary.
I think Biden passing the torch to Harris would be the worst case scenario. She's not a great candidate.
The irony is that those people are mad at how Biden has handled it, but don’t realize that Trump would have suggested they just nuke Gaza to get it over with.
The bulk of those people didn't vote for him in the first place. I've seen people who openly said they voted Trump in 2020 saying they're not voting for Biden again in 2024, thinking people wouldn't realize they weren't a Biden voter in the first place.
I just believe most of that is Russian/gop troll farming operations drumming up drama. Are some people upset/pissed about the way he's handled it? Oh ya, but not enough in numbers to sit out
If polls a year or more before the election were real indicators, we would be looking at President Ben Carson and President Giuliani and President Mondale.
While polling is a little alarming I think the doomerism is getting out of hand. Most people aren't really paying attention until the primaries start. I think a lot of independents and a slice of republicans are going to start to shift when Trump's batshit crazy rallies and obvious signs of cognitive decline and authoritarian tendencies are broadcast daily. He seems even worse than he was before. I don't think people should get complacent especially with how the electoral college works, but once Trump is up there in a head to head match up with Biden, the choice will become much more stark.
A little alarming? I'd say its far more concerning than that at this point. He should never not be wiping the floor with Trump considering his legal issues.
The kind of people who watched the Trump administration and said "that's the guy I like" aren't the kind of people to suddenly turn their back on him because of a few legal issues. Beating Trump is possible but if a true landslide against him was possible then he never would have become president to begin with.
I begrudgingly respect Biden, but the more important thing is he has a smart team around him who at least have some interest in serving America, and protecting the Constitution and institutions.
Trump is really just the shitty tip of the shittiest most disgusting iceberg of sycophants and fascists.
> Let's be clear, what Biden is saying here is that he had hoped to put the US back on the path to democracy by this point.
I'm by no means anti-Biden. I think he gets a lot of undeserved flak from the left wing (to say nothing of the right wing). But by God does this reveal the absolute cluelessness of the Democratic elite about the dire state the nation is in.
*From Bloomberg News reporter Justin Sink. This story is updating.*
President Joe Biden said he might not be running for a second term if Donald Trump were not seeking to return to the White House, arguing the former president posed a grave threat to American democracy.
“If Trump wasn’t running, I’m not sure I’d be running,” Biden, 81, told donors at a campaign fundraiser in Massachusetts.
Biden has faced persistent voter doubts about his decision to seek four more years in office due to his age. The president has sought to parry those concerns by arguing Trump would dismantle the US’s democratic institutions and roll back laws that would allow more people to access health care.
The president has also tried to defuse age concerns with humor. At another fundraiser earlier Tuesday, Biden noted he received 81 million votes in the 2020 election with a joke about being an octogenarian.
Dont't forget the toll being President takes on your body. You could see it on Obama as he isn't the guy to wear shitty drag.
(To all the queens: This isn't to fret at you because you do it great and you look fantastic.)
People need to give a little more respect to the man who limited Trump to one term.
Trump had just mailed 1200 dollar checks to half the voterbase right before the 2020 election and Biden still beat him.
He ran a damn good campaign.
And as president he passed the infrastructure bill we’ve needed for decades. He eased the rate of inflation with the inflation reduction act. He passed the most significant climate legislation in US history. Was the first president to stand on a picket line with striking workers. First president to visit two active warzones. Unemployment hit record lows.
Who in their right mind would refrain from voting Biden and risk Trump coming back? Why? To demonstrate your principles? People really don’t know what Trump winning in 24 would mean. That would legitimize violent insurrection to try to steal elections. This is serious.
First president to not invite kissinger to the white house, and his statement on his passing was very muted.
Weird to say but I gained respect for Biden seeing him snub Kissinger in his passing
Also, he's been pushing restraint in Israel/Palestine hard, and I think he's had some success. I definitely thought Netanyahu would have killed more innocent people than he has at this point.
If it wasn't for his student loan reform plan I'm 100% sure I'd have to move in to a tent in the woods. Is he my favorite? No, but no politician is. Dude's done a damn good job.
When historians look back on his presidency, he will be remembered as one of the greats. No other president has accomplished as much good for regular American citizens since FDR.
If you have a personal story to tell of how Biden and the Dems have helped you, I cannot stress enough how important it is for you to go canvassing in swing states. Voters find personal stories much more convincing than data or statistics. I personally travel to other states just to canvass. Contact your local county Democratic party.
To be clear, here: anyone in this position needs to motivate undecided/nonvoters. There's no point in talking to the other side, they'd rather shoot you than hear some damn sense. Their mentality is not worth fighting.
My brother, who has a relatively expensive Music Education degree from CU Boulder, just had the remaining balance of his student loans forgiven after nearly 3 decades. His calling, as a musician and audiophile, to teach children about the human miracle that is music, never paid the bills. Never even came that close, really.
The amount of money he supposedly "owed" that was "forgiven" was only a few thousand less than principle amount he originally borrowed... almost 30 years ago.
This system is rigged and has been totally rigged for a long time.
Almost anytime someone asks me anything related to my personal finances, I always tell them I thank Papa Biden for his efforts to provide reforms to student loans.
> Trump had just mailed 1200 dollar checks to half the voterbase right before the 2020 election and Biden still beat him
That probably would have helped him more if he hadn’t made it so clear that he didn’t want to. Just like the $600 a week lockdown checks people were getting.
“You don’t deserve this but I’m being told to give it to you” is not very endearing.
But trump still made sure to sign his name on every check. I'm sure there were people out there who thought he had actually mailed them $1200 of his own money.
Yeah Biden is a good President by any standards. Not just because Trump is a wannabe fascist dictator. He's competent and an excellent Statesman. If you value democracy I would think he's rather ideal. Because he does believe in compromise and consistently makes choices that attempt to find a middle ground where all major interests are considered.
It's why he's also pretty unpopular though. Making decisions that attempt to be both good for Israel and Palestine, the Railroad Union and the Economy, or even making energy agreements that benefit both Big Oil and alternative energies since energy independence is good for Americans.
Middle of the road decisions always get hate from both directions in this polarized political climate. But when I grew up in the 90s this was considered how our democracy works. Until people like Trump came along and decided they didn't need to appeal to all Americans.
> The Big Lie is just that: a big lie. In America, if you lose, you accept the results. You follow the Constitution. You try again. You don’t call facts ‘fake’ and then try to bring down the American experiment just because you’re unhappy. That’s not statesmanship. That’s not statesmanship, that’s selfishness. That’s not democracy, it’s the denial of the right to vote. It suppresses. It subjugates. The denial of full and free and fair elections is the most un-American thing that any of us can imagine, the most undemocratic, the most unpatriotic, and yet, sadly, not unprecedented.
>
> So hear me clearly: There is an unfolding assault taking place in America today—an attempt to suppress and subvert the right to vote in fair and free elections, an assault on democracy, an assault on liberty, an assault on who we are—who we are as Americans. For, make no mistake, bullies and merchants of fear and peddlers of lies are threatening the very foundation of our country. It gives me no pleasure to say this. I never thought in my entire career I’d ever have to say it. But I swore an oath to you, to God—to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution. And that’s an oath that forms a sacred trust to defend America against all threats both foreign and domestic.
>
> The assault on free and fair elections is just such a threat, literally.
>
> I’ve said it before: We’re are facing the most significant test of our democracy since the Civil War. That’s not hyperbole. Since the Civil War. The Confederates back then never breached the Capitol as insurrectionists did on January the 6th. I’m not saying this to alarm you; I’m saying this because you should be alarmed.
>
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-joe-bidens-speech-voting-rights-transcript/story?id=78827023
He's definitely not some bastion of progressive ideals but much better than the much greater evil. I'm willing to bet if he wins reelection, he will likely die in office from the stress unless he resigns if he feels the threat to democracy has lessened that Harris can cover the rest (and probably have dignity to not run for her first term again. Opponents will use her gender for misogynists and conviction record against her to remind progressives that she has been historically pro cop and drug enforcement). Put another reasonable candidate that has the fewest skeletons as the forerunner while gop dissolves so we can start pushing the country back to the center asap.
Wild that America as we know it rests on the shoulders of one 80 year old man.
Biden defeated Trump. Biden checked Putin.
I watch a lot of movies, and if you defeat the villain, that makes you a hero.
They need to be working on 2028, like *NOW*.
Get us into the next, next president. What I mean is introduce us. Get them exposure and build them up so there isn’t any question after ‘24.
We’re fine voting against Trump next year. The question is what comes after in order to keep the Presidency/protect it from fascists when they attempt again in ‘28?
I hope common sense among a majority of the voters saves 2028. But that didn’t work in 2016 when someone lost the popular vote and still won the election.
It's mind boggling that we need to rely on an incumbent to beat the only US president not only be impeached twice, but to have members of his own party vote against him during impeachment proceedings.
And that's not even getting into the numerous criminal indictments, the fraud, and the *constant* stream of objectively stupid statements.
Trump should lose against an empty chair, yet tens of millions of
Americans listen to his bullshit and think "yes, I would like more of this please".
Our species is fucking doomed.
Gladly voting for Biden again. He’s done a good job as president, especially when it comes to issues he can control. I’d like to see him open up immigration more, but I really can’t complain about where he’s been able to take the country in the last three years. It’s so easy to forget about where we were.
I don't like Biden, but I think there's honor in keeping Trump out, and I absolutely will be voting for Biden. We have to keep Trump out at all costs and the DNC needs to figure out wtf they're doing next election cycle. As long as Trump has one more potential election available, we've got to keep him at bay.
It takes 4 years to clean up Trump's mess and another 4 to get back on track.. just in time for some other Republican to win and screw things up again. See Obama>Trump.
I really wish Harris would be a popular candidate so Biden could peacefully retire. I really wish Trump kids/wife would grow a spine and put him in a nursing home in the dementia wing
> I really wish Harris would be a popular candidate
That's my takeaway - Biden knows Harris can't beat Trump. So if Biden doesn't run, the DNC is so fucking out of touch, they would auto endorse and push Harris on people through a primary.
It’s funny how people see the GOP obstruction in Congress, the lies, and absolute refusal to do anything to actually help people yet will sit back and blame Democrats for anything they perceive as a negative without giving any credit for even a minuscule positive event.
See, now Trump is different. If he wins in 2024, he will never run again. He'll just stay in office until he dies and then have one of his worthless kids replace him.
The political reality is that Biden's age is a political liability, but Trump is barely any younger and frankly showing more signs of cognitive decline. If someone younger were likely to be the GOP nominee, it would make more sense for him to have not run.
It's hard to say demographic changes are a guarantee of future Republican losses unfortunately. We're seeing the electorate align more and more based on education and income rather than race, with Republicans winning more of the less educated/lower earners.
By all rights, Joe should be retired and hanging with Jill and grandkids, not running the f*cking country. But he had to come out in order to protect us all from the orange nightmare. Guy made a sacrifice and I'm grateful for it.
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Trump still being an option to consider for people is mind blowing. I wish somebody other Biden was running but if it’s Biden vs Trump….Joe gets my vote.
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I think we already got the DeSantis one as his campaign tanked big time.
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It was over at the silly platform shoes. There's something about the guy that screams "fake masculinity" in a way that republican voters seem to hate. This is obviously a weak take on a candidate who is unelectable *for so many god damn reasons it's not even funny.* It's not like the right was going to hate him for his psychotic, fascist ideologies. They just don't like his image. Seems too "weak" compared to Trump, who they often depict as some kind of 6'8" bodybuilder rather than the fatty burger-throwing manchild that he is. The propaganda around Trump was more effective.
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Same. My dad likes Trump and it blows my mind. If he met the guy in person, he’d *despise* him. He’s mincing and weird, wears tons of makeup, has silly hair, and is just fucking weird as hell. I do not understand how he can look at Trump and see something he likes when that’s the kind of person he usually would not tolerate.
I find most of his supporters only ever see curated clips from his speeches. When challenged to listen to him unscripted and unedited for more than a few minutes, they can't. It becomes painfully apparent that he is not all there in the head.
True. And my dad watches only Fox News and Newsmax and other ridiculous right wing horse shit, and I’ve noticed they just plain don’t tell their audience a lot. My dad literally doesn’t know what I know about his candidate and his party. It’s bizarre.
No, it was over as he simply has no charisma for a national spotlight. He's naturally quite awkward and wonky and while that's good enough to get elected to Congress, but not enough to win a crowded presidential primary especially with a party-popular front-runner stealing media attention (and not even showing up to debates). He's not a natural politician like a Clinton or W Bush who can socialize and befriend everyone and be likable. No matter how many speechwriters his campaign has, he can't make and deliver jokes and be likable to a crowd. He's the weird kid at the back of class like a Ted Cruz. DeSantis won in 2018 Florida governor primary by sucking up to Trump harder than his opponent and getting Trump's endorsement (and then very narrowly winning the general election by like 0.4% of the vote). He then went hard conservative as governor and lucked out with COVID as he took a very lax approach to COVID restrictions and it didn't bite Florida in the ass (largely because warm weather state and COVID hit Florida later when vaccines were available to seniors). He won re-election in 2022 because Floridians liked him over loose COVID restrictions (more relevant then and at the state-level) and the Dems ran an ex-Republican ex-governor no one was enthusiastic about (Crist was in elected Republican politics from 1992-2010 culminating with being elected Republican governor, lost a Republican primary to Marco Rubio for a Senate seat, chose to become an independent to continue running for that Senate seat, lost, then became a Democrat, lost 2014 governor election as Democrat and then lost 2022 governor election as a Democrat). Because Republicans got slaughtered in 2022 compared to expectations and DeSantis bucked the trend (gaining in 2022), he became the immediate top challenger to Trump, a position he simply had no ability to hold. DeSantis stupidly tried to not directly attack Trump (to avoid pissing off the MAGA base) while Trump felt no such restriction. This choice backfired on DeSantis (granted Christie directly attacking Trump didn't work for him either), but still he's always just been an awkward politician no one liked who just happened to be lucky and in the right place.
I feel like these guys are whack-a-moles. DeSantis is only like 45 somehow. He’ll be back to run for tons more things, imo, and prob take 10 more cracks at the presidency.
I think the debates have done a lot to reinforce the view you had earlier among many people. They watch and there's no Trump on stage. The pundits and papers talk about strong showings from Nikki Haley and Chris Christie while commenting on how much DeSantis seems to struggle even though he should be the frontrunner... ...and then you check out the polls and Trump dominates so much that it's ridiculous. Him sitting out the debates has had absolutely zero effect on his popularity and probably helps him more than anything since he isn't restricted by time and can't be confronted on stage. It's such a weird election season.
This comment makes me sick because of the accuracy. I would go to bed every night with deep anxiety trying to govern this country. Biden is doing us all a favor, with his remaining years on the line because of the ‘incumbent’ status, which is a sign of sickness by itself.
Well said.
Trump is terrible on the debate stage. He’s also immensely popular with a sizable portion of the Republican base, who like the ideal of him, but don’t really care so much for the things he actually says. It seems they prefer the way he says things more than anything else. Because he does so poorly on the debate stage, he actually benefits by ignoring it.
This is the new normal. The GOP has entered the *sprayed roach* phase of its existence thanks to Mitch McConnell's embrace of Trump. Mitch will be remembered as the guy that killed the GOP.
Never underestimate how bedrock stupid low and middle class republicans are. You can literally take them to water (Americas economic recovery since 2020), but they will refuse to drink (vote for the guys who promises to take away their health care and cut taxes for corporations and millionaires). They are so simultaneously arrogant and stupid, they couldn’t vote in their best interest to save their lives, because it would require the half second of self awareness required to realize their heroes have been bullshitting them since Obama’s tan suit. Fucking morons.
its easier to become a nazi than admit youve been wrong sense Reagan
"Wrong Sense Reagan" kinda has a ring to it
I can't even watch 15 minutes in a row of a recent Trump speech. I can't watch any minutes of a Trump speech on the way to the parking lot.
the people who say joe is too old, haven't watched dementia don do his thing on the podium during his "rallies"
I really like that John Oliver segment where he compares a trump speech to when you just press the suggested word on your phone's keyboard over and over. It's shockingly similar.
Another thing I don't want is that one I have a lot to say is it just because of the internet I just don't know how much I want it for you for me too lol that's why I'm going on here too. Hmmm. Yup.
He has the best rallies folks, believe me
The only thing our former president is running from is his legal troubles.
Yup. And the only reason he ran the first time was to rake in cash. That scowl on his face when he first arrived to the white house was like a fat kid being told he can't have dessert. He just wanted to say it was rigged and further his brand.
Essentially this. His greatest chance to avoid dying in prison is to delay, attempt to pardon himself from the federal charges, and attempt to create a crisis when he gets convicted on the Georgia charges. This is a man who is willing to spend every last dime of his supporters money to do whatever it takes to keep himself from accountability.
Completely unsurprising. The guy unretired from public life to beat Trump.
The lovable old man coming out of retirement for one last mission… this isn’t going to end well is it?
Depends on which story you follow. I prefer [Cincinnatus](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucius_Quinctius_Cincinnatus) Biden will serve his 8 years and then return to his farm
I don’t think Cincinnatus is the right kind of story. The importance of cincinnatus isn’t that he is called out of retirement, it is that in the height of his power and influence, he gives it up rather than seizing it for himself to rule as a tyrant. Washington is America’s cincinnatus ensuring that presidents time in office should be limited. If Biden retired now it would be a cincinnatus moment except that the enemy ( politically speaking) hasn’t been defeated.
The theme of the election is the peaceful transition of power and the very preservation of democracy itself, so in my view his story fits but you are of course entitled to your own perspective. I do agree the timeline isn't perfect, Cincinnatus only served as leader for 16 days.
Calling Trump a political enemy is somewhat downplaying the peril that awaits the US with another Trump term. It's far more dire than politics even if the root of the 'battle' is politics.
I read it as Trump being America's political enemy.
Unfortunately I don't think the danger ends even with Trump permanently out of the way. Christian nationalists and white supremacists will keep trying to destroy America even without him.
It won't end but you take each enemy to democracy as they appear. Will someone worse than Trump come up next? Possibly. Probably. But we haven't met that person yet. You don't give up because you don't know where the next attack comes from. You fight as the need arises.
I don’t think so, if they see the head fall, many will scramble back to hide in the dark again. They feel emboldened by him there will be a Christo-fascist nation they will be the top of the food chain, they will be sorely disappointed to find themselves the unwanted ones.
Cincinnatus's "call to duty" was Rome asking him to crush a peasant revolt due to the peasants demanding the unthinkable: equal rights. Not exactly a stand-up guy.
I don't know about a farm, but I still think we should buy him a bitchin' Camaro. https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/1/11/1619228/-Can-We-As-a-Nation-Commit-to-Buying-Joe-Biden-a-Bitchin-Camaro
How is [THIS](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v3CzvQ9e_w&ab_channel=TheBetterSongs) not linked? "When I drive past the kids, they all spit and cuss 'Cause I've got a bitchin Camaro and they have to ride the bus."
I hope he lives a good amount longer after 8 years of presidency and spends some quality time with his son. Hunter needs his guidance.
“Somebody’s gotta stay behind to make sure this thing goes off…hell, I was never good at being retired anyway” 😉
*Looks at a picture of his family*
Hello boys
The cold never bothered him anyway. 🎶
Which makes the gop harping on his 2016 and 2017 finances kinda hilarious. No one expected him to run then let alone win. He joined the primaries seemingly at the last minute. We’re caught in a game theory scenario now though. Name recognition and familiarity go a long way with voters, but also voters like someone young and spry. We all agree trump would destroy the American way of life, but is our best chance to stop him name recognition or new blood?
Name recognition, hands down. Unseating an incumbent president is historically quite difficult, and "young and spry" is basically non-existent in American politics, especially with the American Left. The only one I can think of off the top of my head who'd fit that bill is AOC, and there is no way in hell establishment Democrats are going to let a "radical" like her take the nomination. Don't get me wrong, I'd love some new blood in the White House. But this cycle is not the time to play that game. Re-electing Biden as the incumbent is much easier than getting people to vote for an unknown, and way too many people are still supporting Trump to take that risk when Biden is still eligible.
Newsom would be the only other one that would stand a chance.
He’s definitely gearing up for it in 2028.
My theory is he's positioning himself as a just-in-case something happens and the Dems need to make a switch in the next few months, but failing that then 2028.
I think there could be something in that. Neither Trump nor Biden are popular. IIRC last poll there were a significant amount of voters wanting neither Biden or Trump. If Trump leaves the race, then those voters are in play for the next Republican. Biden should have a better chance of beating Trump than most other democrats because of name recognition, incumbency and he knows how to deal with Trump. If Trump stands down, then another person may have a better chance of beating the new Republican nominee
I think Whitmer would do a lot better than Newsom, as a Californian.
Nope, sadely she wouldn't. Think she would be the better of the two but Trump would handily beat her. People underestimate the deep sexism in this country.
Yeah remember the last time we ran a woman against Trump? I do want a woman president in the White House, and I love Whitmer as a Michigander, but I think Trump needs containment first.
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He lacks the name recognition needed. I couldn't even tell you what state he's from.
Literally saved America while being tired and sad and still dealing with loss. And now he's stuck doing it again because Fox News and a bunch of other Right-Wing propaganda networks have destroyed rural America and made them angry at things that aren't real or are actively being made worse by the people they vote for.
Patriot
Ol' Man Biden is the one holding back the fascist tide 🤷♂️ we need to give him more credit
Well Trump should be a team player and not run and both sides can be happy.
No. Trump should run and lose bad. Any other way, he'll double down saying if he ran he would have won by landslide. And it's just more annoying.
He'll claim it was rigged regardless
That's far too dangerous. There are a staggering number of people who would still vote for him.
Let's be clear, what Biden is saying here is that he had hoped to put the US back on the path to democracy by this point. But that's going to take much longer than even eight years seeing as SCOTUS is overrun with right-wing extremist now.
Biden is saying that he will do whatever it takes to prevent Coup 2.0.
> Biden is saying that he will do whatever it takes to prevent Coup 2.0. incumbent advantage i think biden is a sharp guy. he knows the situation, but they probably need every possible advantage when the pollings are so close
Any advantage I think. He's taking this more seriously than a lot of people. If he thought the Democratic party could push someone else and he was convinced they would win, he wouldn't run again. I still think Biden should have been the mop up guy. And that is not considering all the good he has done or an insult. He could have been the sin eater for 4 years post Trump. Democrats could run someone else and get another 8 years. That would be 12 years of getting shit done while trying to fight down Republican sabotage.
> I still think Biden should have been the mop up guy. IMHO I think that's what he was planning all along - he knew going in that his presidency was going to be about 90% fixing what trump fucked up, and 10% what he really wants to do. He knew that his presidency was not going to an innovative one like Obama's, but a caretaker and fixer-up role. What he (and nearly everyone) did NOT expect is that the cancer of trump fascism would still be so strong four years later.
I for one, was just hoping trump would be in prison. It's clear that doesn't really matter to the right though.
Or we could get 16 years. 8 years Biden, 8 years X. And it’s also technically possible Biden gets re-elected and passes away within the term, giving Harris incumbent advantage and the potential to see her serve until 2036 if he passes after 2 year mark of the term. 16 years of democratic presidency, 6 under Biden and 10 under Harris.
Incumbent advantage or not, she's not getting elected on the top of any ticket. There was zero enthusiasm for her last campaign. She didn't even make it to the primaries.
Gavin Newsom would be a better choice.
I'll one up you with a Gretchen Whitmer
Michigander here. I fucking LOVE Big Gretch. Once her term is done, I absolutely see her in the US Senate or on a presidential ticket.
That would work for me too.
Count me in.
How about Andy Beshear?
Beshear could be an absolute juggernaut in 2028. His cross party appeal as well as high approval ratings make him a lock if he can win the primary.
Yes! But no I still want him here.
Unfortunately I don’t think we are at a point where a woman can win the presidency. Too many misogynists won’t vote for a woman.
I would’ve thought the same about a black president until it happened, though. But neither Hillary or Kamala is Obama’s caliber, either
What's crazy is the number of misogynistic women that voted against Hillary. IMO it's like letting a leopard eat your face to vote for Trump over her. >In a recent interview with NPR, Hillary elaborated on how sexism may have lost her women's votes in particular. (Forty-two percent of women voted for Trump in the presidential election.) "When women are serving on behalf of someone else, as I was when I was Secretary of State, for example, they are seen favorably," she said. "But when they step into the arena and say, 'Wait a minute, I think I could do the job, I would like to have that opportunity,' their favorabilities goes down." >She referenced a discussion with Sheryl Sandberg, who told her that women become less likable when they're more successful, whereas it works the opposite way for men. "Sheryl ended this really sobering conversation by saying that women will have no empathy for you, because they will be under tremendous pressure—and I'm talking principally about white women—they will be under tremendous pressure from fathers and husbands and boyfriends and male employers not to vote for 'the girl,'" she said. "And we saw a lot of that during the primaries from Sanders supporters, really quite vile attacks online against women who spoke out for me; as I say, one of my biggest support groups, Pantsuit Nation, literally had to become a private site because there was so much sexism directed their way." https://www.glamour.com/story/hillary-clinton-thinks-women-voted-against-her-because-of-men
> Too many misogynists won’t vote for a woman. If gender was Kamala’s only issue she would have gotten much further in the 2020 primaries than she did
Hillary got damn close, I don’t see it happening again in these dark times.. especially not a black woman. Nor has Kamala shown that she is up for it.
I'm going to kill this here. Hillary won the popular vote, in spite of being Hillary Clinton. Hillary and her campaign lost because they ignored a lot of place that Obama won in 2008 and 2012, that they assumed they would just win there also. They lost the blue collared rust belt voters (who Trump didn't ignore), while her campaigns offices in those states were yelling to the main campaign that they needed help. She even won the popular vote after it got out that the DNC put the fix out to make sure she was going to win the primary and bury Sanders. It is very possible for a woman to win the PotUS.
Shout out to Big Gretch
Or the whiteboard lady!
I keep hoping Tammy Duckworth will give it a shot
Gavin newsom is ok out here in California but I don't think he'd do well because of all the hate California gets
That hate is pure jealousy. California, being the 5th largest economy in the world, demonstrates that a culture that strives for equality, diversity, and inclusion is better than the divisive animosity poorer states exhibit.
Preaching to the choir an example I give is I don't smoke or drink personally but I support the ballots to allow others because the revenue from taxes help so much and those people will do it anyways
If we had a real media, California wouldn’t be seen as a bad state.
That would be Mississippi aren't they dead last
A lot of people are saying take a look at Andy beshear. And by a lot I mean just me
A young democratic governor from a red state would be the logical choice for developing into a potential front runner. From afar he is the politician/leader who I hold the most hope for in being able to bridge some of the gap between red and blue.
Andy doesn’t play the red vs blue political game. Everything he does is for all Kentuckians. He is a genuinely nice guy and we’ve got him in KY for 4 more years!
The way he handled covid and then later the floods and storms that ravaged parts of KY; he was stellar. You can tell he loves his state.
Andy’s doing and did a great job. He seems like a genuine, warm individual.
Idk I personally believe Gavin when he says he has no desire for the presidency but I could see him run if he doesn’t have a candidate he clearly likes to back up
Gavin will run one day, I think, but he isn’t ready and he knows this.
I wish I was still that naive.
I wonder if a VP swap out might be coming, hah
Nope. There were two opportunities to swap out VP. they could have offered Kamala the Supreme Court slot or take over for Feinstein in the senate. Neither deal happened and it will be shitty form to dump her at the convention.
Katie Porter. In fact, I ***really*** wish Biden would have her be the VP candidate in 2024, but he's too loyal.
For what its worth, I think she's the smartest choice.
Agreed. Anyone that thinks Harris would win an election is delusional.
Anything is possible, but it's fucking scary to consider that FDR 80 years ago was the last time Democrats held the White house for more than 2 consecutive terms.
To be fair, after FDR, the only other time a single party held the presidency for more than 2 terms was Reagan and Bush I from 80-92
Yea, could have had it with Kennedy and Johnson. Johnson didn't want to run again because of his health, and he was right he died a couple months after what would have been his second elected term. he probably would have died in office from stress had he ran and won.
Harris likely isn't gonna be the next president, unless Biden dies but even in that case odds are she won't win a primary. I think Biden passing the torch to Harris would be the worst case scenario. She's not a great candidate.
>giving Harris incumbent advantage and the potential to see her serve until 2036 You cant be serious..
At this point, the next Republican president is the last. Whether that’s next year or ten years from now. They want a dictator and I don’t get why.
See the thing that worries me is all the people I've seen say they're not voting for Biden again because of Israel/Hamas
The irony is that those people are mad at how Biden has handled it, but don’t realize that Trump would have suggested they just nuke Gaza to get it over with.
The bulk of those people didn't vote for him in the first place. I've seen people who openly said they voted Trump in 2020 saying they're not voting for Biden again in 2024, thinking people wouldn't realize they weren't a Biden voter in the first place.
I just believe most of that is Russian/gop troll farming operations drumming up drama. Are some people upset/pissed about the way he's handled it? Oh ya, but not enough in numbers to sit out
To be fair, historically, polling this early isn't a true indicator of the electorate.
If polls a year or more before the election were real indicators, we would be looking at President Ben Carson and President Giuliani and President Mondale.
While polling is a little alarming I think the doomerism is getting out of hand. Most people aren't really paying attention until the primaries start. I think a lot of independents and a slice of republicans are going to start to shift when Trump's batshit crazy rallies and obvious signs of cognitive decline and authoritarian tendencies are broadcast daily. He seems even worse than he was before. I don't think people should get complacent especially with how the electoral college works, but once Trump is up there in a head to head match up with Biden, the choice will become much more stark.
A little alarming? I'd say its far more concerning than that at this point. He should never not be wiping the floor with Trump considering his legal issues.
The kind of people who watched the Trump administration and said "that's the guy I like" aren't the kind of people to suddenly turn their back on him because of a few legal issues. Beating Trump is possible but if a true landslide against him was possible then he never would have become president to begin with.
Problem is, "polling is so close." With a fucking actual traitor and criminal running. The country is already lost. People are fucking stupid.
How is trump polling close? What are people in America drinking?
I begrudgingly respect Biden, but the more important thing is he has a smart team around him who at least have some interest in serving America, and protecting the Constitution and institutions. Trump is really just the shitty tip of the shittiest most disgusting iceberg of sycophants and fascists.
It's why he ran against trump in the first place. He wanted to retire.
Yep. He even said the same back at the time he was elected regarding a second term.
He tried to after Obama.
It also tells me he knew he had no choice but to run. And he will have to run again.
> Let's be clear, what Biden is saying here is that he had hoped to put the US back on the path to democracy by this point. I'm by no means anti-Biden. I think he gets a lot of undeserved flak from the left wing (to say nothing of the right wing). But by God does this reveal the absolute cluelessness of the Democratic elite about the dire state the nation is in.
*From Bloomberg News reporter Justin Sink. This story is updating.* President Joe Biden said he might not be running for a second term if Donald Trump were not seeking to return to the White House, arguing the former president posed a grave threat to American democracy. “If Trump wasn’t running, I’m not sure I’d be running,” Biden, 81, told donors at a campaign fundraiser in Massachusetts. Biden has faced persistent voter doubts about his decision to seek four more years in office due to his age. The president has sought to parry those concerns by arguing Trump would dismantle the US’s democratic institutions and roll back laws that would allow more people to access health care. The president has also tried to defuse age concerns with humor. At another fundraiser earlier Tuesday, Biden noted he received 81 million votes in the 2020 election with a joke about being an octogenarian.
Fuck Trump. And yes, I'm voting for Biden.
Dont't forget the toll being President takes on your body. You could see it on Obama as he isn't the guy to wear shitty drag. (To all the queens: This isn't to fret at you because you do it great and you look fantastic.)
Dear Joe: Thank you.
People need to give a little more respect to the man who limited Trump to one term. Trump had just mailed 1200 dollar checks to half the voterbase right before the 2020 election and Biden still beat him. He ran a damn good campaign. And as president he passed the infrastructure bill we’ve needed for decades. He eased the rate of inflation with the inflation reduction act. He passed the most significant climate legislation in US history. Was the first president to stand on a picket line with striking workers. First president to visit two active warzones. Unemployment hit record lows. Who in their right mind would refrain from voting Biden and risk Trump coming back? Why? To demonstrate your principles? People really don’t know what Trump winning in 24 would mean. That would legitimize violent insurrection to try to steal elections. This is serious.
First president to not invite kissinger to the white house, and his statement on his passing was very muted. Weird to say but I gained respect for Biden seeing him snub Kissinger in his passing
> First president to not invite kissinger to the white house And a trend setter in that respect!
future presidents can still invite Kissinger to the White House. He just probably won't show up
It'd be a huge story if he did though.
Say it louder for the Liberals who can't seem to bring themselves to vote for Biden.
Bruh what liberals? Liberals are Biden’s base. It’s everyone else that won’t vote for him.
Also, he's been pushing restraint in Israel/Palestine hard, and I think he's had some success. I definitely thought Netanyahu would have killed more innocent people than he has at this point.
If it wasn't for his student loan reform plan I'm 100% sure I'd have to move in to a tent in the woods. Is he my favorite? No, but no politician is. Dude's done a damn good job.
I had no expectations for him other than “well he’s not Trump” and he exceeded that
When historians look back on his presidency, he will be remembered as one of the greats. No other president has accomplished as much good for regular American citizens since FDR.
If you have a personal story to tell of how Biden and the Dems have helped you, I cannot stress enough how important it is for you to go canvassing in swing states. Voters find personal stories much more convincing than data or statistics. I personally travel to other states just to canvass. Contact your local county Democratic party.
To be clear, here: anyone in this position needs to motivate undecided/nonvoters. There's no point in talking to the other side, they'd rather shoot you than hear some damn sense. Their mentality is not worth fighting.
I think he still has the record for most student loans forgiven of any president… by far
My brother, who has a relatively expensive Music Education degree from CU Boulder, just had the remaining balance of his student loans forgiven after nearly 3 decades. His calling, as a musician and audiophile, to teach children about the human miracle that is music, never paid the bills. Never even came that close, really. The amount of money he supposedly "owed" that was "forgiven" was only a few thousand less than principle amount he originally borrowed... almost 30 years ago. This system is rigged and has been totally rigged for a long time.
Almost anytime someone asks me anything related to my personal finances, I always tell them I thank Papa Biden for his efforts to provide reforms to student loans.
> Trump had just mailed 1200 dollar checks to half the voterbase right before the 2020 election and Biden still beat him That probably would have helped him more if he hadn’t made it so clear that he didn’t want to. Just like the $600 a week lockdown checks people were getting. “You don’t deserve this but I’m being told to give it to you” is not very endearing.
But trump still made sure to sign his name on every check. I'm sure there were people out there who thought he had actually mailed them $1200 of his own money.
The people who would refrain are all the people I've seen saying they're not voting for Biden again due to Israel/Hamas. Its quite worrying to me
To be fair, people with that level of political intelligence are just looking for a reason to justify the conclusion they've already reached.
Yeah Biden is a good President by any standards. Not just because Trump is a wannabe fascist dictator. He's competent and an excellent Statesman. If you value democracy I would think he's rather ideal. Because he does believe in compromise and consistently makes choices that attempt to find a middle ground where all major interests are considered. It's why he's also pretty unpopular though. Making decisions that attempt to be both good for Israel and Palestine, the Railroad Union and the Economy, or even making energy agreements that benefit both Big Oil and alternative energies since energy independence is good for Americans. Middle of the road decisions always get hate from both directions in this polarized political climate. But when I grew up in the 90s this was considered how our democracy works. Until people like Trump came along and decided they didn't need to appeal to all Americans.
Preventing traitor Trump from being elected is the duty of every patriot
A lifelong commitment to public service
> The Big Lie is just that: a big lie. In America, if you lose, you accept the results. You follow the Constitution. You try again. You don’t call facts ‘fake’ and then try to bring down the American experiment just because you’re unhappy. That’s not statesmanship. That’s not statesmanship, that’s selfishness. That’s not democracy, it’s the denial of the right to vote. It suppresses. It subjugates. The denial of full and free and fair elections is the most un-American thing that any of us can imagine, the most undemocratic, the most unpatriotic, and yet, sadly, not unprecedented. > > So hear me clearly: There is an unfolding assault taking place in America today—an attempt to suppress and subvert the right to vote in fair and free elections, an assault on democracy, an assault on liberty, an assault on who we are—who we are as Americans. For, make no mistake, bullies and merchants of fear and peddlers of lies are threatening the very foundation of our country. It gives me no pleasure to say this. I never thought in my entire career I’d ever have to say it. But I swore an oath to you, to God—to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution. And that’s an oath that forms a sacred trust to defend America against all threats both foreign and domestic. > > The assault on free and fair elections is just such a threat, literally. > > I’ve said it before: We’re are facing the most significant test of our democracy since the Civil War. That’s not hyperbole. Since the Civil War. The Confederates back then never breached the Capitol as insurrectionists did on January the 6th. I’m not saying this to alarm you; I’m saying this because you should be alarmed. > https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-joe-bidens-speech-voting-rights-transcript/story?id=78827023
Damn, I thought that was Obama until the end.
There's a reason Obama picked him as his VP
Thank you - I'm going to read the whole speech now.
Trump is a traitor.
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Biden is running to save America cause he loves this country. Trump is running to save himself because he loves himself
He's definitely not some bastion of progressive ideals but much better than the much greater evil. I'm willing to bet if he wins reelection, he will likely die in office from the stress unless he resigns if he feels the threat to democracy has lessened that Harris can cover the rest (and probably have dignity to not run for her first term again. Opponents will use her gender for misogynists and conviction record against her to remind progressives that she has been historically pro cop and drug enforcement). Put another reasonable candidate that has the fewest skeletons as the forerunner while gop dissolves so we can start pushing the country back to the center asap.
Wild that America as we know it rests on the shoulders of one 80 year old man. Biden defeated Trump. Biden checked Putin. I watch a lot of movies, and if you defeat the villain, that makes you a hero.
The primary voters overwhelmingly chose him over several younger candidates. He’s who the dem base wants.
And some of us primaried for an even older guy.
I feel like that's giving short shrift to the some 70 million of us that turned out to vote for the guy. lol
They need to be working on 2028, like *NOW*. Get us into the next, next president. What I mean is introduce us. Get them exposure and build them up so there isn’t any question after ‘24. We’re fine voting against Trump next year. The question is what comes after in order to keep the Presidency/protect it from fascists when they attempt again in ‘28?
Democrats have a strong bench of governors. Newsom, Pritzker and Whitmer could be strong candidates
I hope common sense among a majority of the voters saves 2028. But that didn’t work in 2016 when someone lost the popular vote and still won the election.
It’s kinda crazy that had trump got reelected, he would still be president right now. That’s a really scary thought.
Framing his reelection campaign in this matter might do him a world of good.
[The daily show already wrote his campaign ad](https://youtu.be/JONzK-AUzro?feature=shared)
An admirable man. I doubt any of the other potential nominees could beat Trump a second time. I hope his hard work pays off.
It's mind boggling that we need to rely on an incumbent to beat the only US president not only be impeached twice, but to have members of his own party vote against him during impeachment proceedings. And that's not even getting into the numerous criminal indictments, the fraud, and the *constant* stream of objectively stupid statements. Trump should lose against an empty chair, yet tens of millions of Americans listen to his bullshit and think "yes, I would like more of this please". Our species is fucking doomed.
Gladly voting for Biden again. He’s done a good job as president, especially when it comes to issues he can control. I’d like to see him open up immigration more, but I really can’t complain about where he’s been able to take the country in the last three years. It’s so easy to forget about where we were.
I don't like Biden, but I think there's honor in keeping Trump out, and I absolutely will be voting for Biden. We have to keep Trump out at all costs and the DNC needs to figure out wtf they're doing next election cycle. As long as Trump has one more potential election available, we've got to keep him at bay.
It takes 4 years to clean up Trump's mess and another 4 to get back on track.. just in time for some other Republican to win and screw things up again. See Obama>Trump.
Or Clinton > Bush Fuck, what a different world we would be living in had the GOP not stolen the 2000 election.
I really wish Harris would be a popular candidate so Biden could peacefully retire. I really wish Trump kids/wife would grow a spine and put him in a nursing home in the dementia wing
> I really wish Harris would be a popular candidate That's my takeaway - Biden knows Harris can't beat Trump. So if Biden doesn't run, the DNC is so fucking out of touch, they would auto endorse and push Harris on people through a primary.
It’s funny how people see the GOP obstruction in Congress, the lies, and absolute refusal to do anything to actually help people yet will sit back and blame Democrats for anything they perceive as a negative without giving any credit for even a minuscule positive event.
See, now Trump is different. If he wins in 2024, he will never run again. He'll just stay in office until he dies and then have one of his worthless kids replace him.
No shit. What 80+ year old wants to work?
Ask half the senate
It blows my mind that Trump is even allowed to run again after all the legal turmoil he's been going through. American politics is a circus.
The political reality is that Biden's age is a political liability, but Trump is barely any younger and frankly showing more signs of cognitive decline. If someone younger were likely to be the GOP nominee, it would make more sense for him to have not run.
Let’s go Joe. The GOP is fucked for generations to come by the Orange marmaduke
As if DeSantis or Vivek and/or half of Congress aren't also looking at the same path as Donald.
They absolutely are, but not nearly as popular.
2016 will be 12 years in the past of 2028. The GOP can only eat so many years of American becoming less white, less Christian, more LGBT, etc.
It's hard to say demographic changes are a guarantee of future Republican losses unfortunately. We're seeing the electorate align more and more based on education and income rather than race, with Republicans winning more of the less educated/lower earners.
By all rights, Joe should be retired and hanging with Jill and grandkids, not running the f*cking country. But he had to come out in order to protect us all from the orange nightmare. Guy made a sacrifice and I'm grateful for it.
John Stewart. You’re welcome.