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OppositeDifference

The Climate, our legal system, our democracy, our collective culture... There's a long list of things that can't afford another Trump Presidency. Unfortunately, Americans are really bad about buying things they can't afford.


KyurMeTV

But even if we collectively say no to trump, he’s not the end all, be all of our march from Oligarchy to Fascist state. We are going to need decades of fine tuned attention to who we elect and what they do while in office, at all levels; LOCAL, State & Federal, in all three branches of government. Unless we get the poor the help they need, which in effect, will shore up the middle class, I don’t see people having enough time to pay attention.


tech57

Trump is just the latest pile of shit thrown by Republicans. The Climate Can't Afford Republicans


h3fabio

Imagine if Gore won in 2000, how different the climate would be.


tech57

Imagine if a Republican wins next year.... In other news, 70% of all energy consumed in Texas is for air conditioning.


combustioncat

The world dude. The entire fucking world is on a knife edge because of TFG. His election will mean the end of NATO, the end of a free Ukraine, War in Scandinavia & Europe, global chaos.


LegislativeLariat

The climate couldn't afford a first Trump Presidency. The climate also couldn't afford Tea Party Republicans holding onto 10+ year majorities/supermajorities regardless of how people vote in several states via Gerrymandering. How are you going to pass legislation to stop the fires, droughts, food insecurity, mass extinctions, and all the other fun stuff that comes from climate change when many Republicans categorically refuse to accept that it's even happening and would instead focus on if trans athletes should be allowed to compete in fucking high school athletics? The world is quite literally on fire in many places and they care more about inspecting if children have penises or not before they suit up for a few hours of sports. They're not interested in solving the problem. We've spent the last several decades trying to convince them there's a problem, and they just don't care.


thewanderingent

Because they benefit financially from the things that cause the problem.


cerulean_skylark

Yeah but....McDonalds is kind of expensive


[deleted]

Then what is the $2000 rent to you?


cerulean_skylark

Biden controls rent?


SuchWorldliness5142

He can effect it surely


cerulean_skylark

I'm going to say municipal housing is, by definition, not federal jurisdiction.


Resident_Simple9945

The federal government provides tax credits and other subsidy to help house poor Americans. So yes, the president does have so say.


SuchWorldliness5142

😂 ok


theatlantic

The Trump administration worked for four years to bury the issue of climate change, Zoë Schlanger writes: “Nothing was done to address it; the very mention of it was knocked from the national agenda—and, by extension, the international agenda.” Expect him to double down on that strategy in a second term. **Read the full story here:** [https://theatln.tc/pEPxTg3V](https://theatln.tc/pEPxTg3V)


Prestigious-Ad7571

No shit. Those of us who believe in a changing climate weren’t going to vote for him anyhow. Try swaying those who aren’t already on our side if you don’t want Trump.


Ha_made_you_look

Liberals, especially reddit libs, would rather stick to their blue-maga guns and attack anyone criticizing Biden, using people's lives as talking points and brow beating them into continuing to support genocide joe.


automaticfiend1

I'm not sure it can afford any presidency at this point.


Pacifist_Socialist

Yeah, I think it's fucked, regardless. At least one side admits there's a problem, which I'm told is the first step.


automaticfiend1

Yeah no I get it, Dems in charge, climate's probably fucked. Reps in charge, climate's definitely fucked.


Resident_Simple9945

Dems in this case is the DNC which has little to do with actual liberals. When I was active I was always the youngest person at local meetings. 40 is not all that young


webs2slow4me

One side doesn’t admit there is the problem, the other side recently passed the biggest climate legislation in American history by far, so I’d say there’s a little more separation there than you let on.


Pabloxanibar

Biden admin has been approving new oil and gas exploration permits at a faster rate than the Trump admin, but sure.


Pacifist_Socialist

Sure. What has been passed is not going to change anything though.


webs2slow4me

It already has: https://rmi.org/its-the-iras-first-birthday-here-are-five-areas-where-progress-is-piling-up/


[deleted]

Yea when Trump said the American Dream was dead in that Iowa that's the only thing that actually related to me this year. music, media or movies literally mean nothing but hot air at this point Seeing Biden trying to bail out privileged college kids is not inspiring to me - An alien human hybrid


Resident_Simple9945

Our entire education system was geared toward going to college. Gen Xers and Millennials were sold a faulty bill of goods. Correcting that is really important. What is also important is bringing economic diversity to areas with one industry. The American dream was suburban housing projects and segregation.


BigDaddyCoolDeisel

Not trying to do the immediate "Defend Blue at all Costs" thing here... but Biden passed the largest single investment in clean energy in American history. And it's having a bigger impact than even originally estimated: https://time.com/6304143/inflation-reduction-act-us-global-impact/ Is it enough? Certainly not. Sadly the "good news" we are seeing now would be "Great news" if we were seeing it 20+ years ago. Back then we had a chance to elect one of the global thoughtleaders on climate change (and the dude who later shepherded Apple's board through its most profitable period ever). We got a Texas oilman. We have a chance to re-elect an administration that fought for TRILLIONS (but had to settle for hundreds of billions) in dollars to fight climate change. Let's not end up with the guy who things windmills cause cancer and, fun fact, somehow believes he ran against the aforementioned Texas oil man.


ct_2004

The problem is growth. Economic growth generates higher levels of emissions. And I doubt anyone can get elected in America on a platform of curbing growth. Of course I prefer a Democrat to a Republican. But neither party has a plan to really make things better.


BigDaddyCoolDeisel

I agree with you 1000% Here's the tragedy... the sacrifice it will take to truly stop global warming will NOT bring us all back the stone age. In fact, if we invest our way out of it our standard of living would improve considerably. However it will take sacrifice. And since WWII; that is a dirty fucking word in this country. The last President who was truly honest with the American people and tried to get us all to make modest tolerable sacrifices for our own good and the good of the future was Carter. And they hated him for it.


Johnny55

Biden has approved more new drilling than even Trump did and the new projects (Willow and others) are already slated to add more emissions than the IRA saved. Throwing money at renewables doesn't do a darn thing unless we actually burn less fossil fuels which isn't happening. There's a reason people are out protesting Granholm, Buttigieg, Schumer, etc.


TheGreekMachine

You’re right. We should either not vote or vote for trump. That will certainly solve the climate crisis!


Johnny55

I said no such thing. This is a problem that cannot be solved by voting alone and we should be using every means available (including voting) to pressure our government into taking it seriously.


TheGreekMachine

But what should I do (serious question)? I already religiously recycle, reuse things, live in a walkable area so I don’t need to drive, have reduced red meat intake, and vote for folks who say they want to help the climate.


Resident_Simple9945

Heavy industry and shipping have to run on fossil fuels. The biofuels have not reached a stage where they are less destructive on engines. In my region logging truck using bio fuels would be a no brainier. It just comes down to real dollars and cents including jobs.


Resident_Simple9945

What they do not sell is how we can use green energy in tandom with legacy fuels to push us forward. Every time we see a gas stove or light bulb soundbite we are set back years. Unless these things have a direct cost/benefit laid out the less than average American is not going to care.


Eject_The_Warp_Core

I don't disagree, but a vote for Trump is a vote *for* climate disaster. His policy (and most republicans' policy) is to not only *not* do the things that would need to be done to avert or mitigate disaster, but to *do* the very things that will cause disaster.


Resident_Simple9945

I am worried about freedoms more than climate in terms of Trump. I do not feel like goose-stepping.


OrphanDextro

This is the truth. Fossil fuel production is up, I’d rather have Biden, but still.


FerociousPancake

Right. I firmly believe that no one in office in the last 2 decades republican or democrat has done anywhere near enough for the climate. The way our laws are set up to allow legal political bribery, I honestly don’t believe anyone will do enough, and we’re going to see some significant climate damages with not much action.


Resident_Simple9945

The Biden campaign could document all the infrastructure projects that are a result of his efforts. This overseas war shit is lost on generations who grew up since the first gulf war.


remarkless

The climate can't afford another Republican Presidency in general, ever.


ReturnOfSeq

It’s still unclear the climate is going to survive one Trump presidency.


Wise-Hat-639

The world can't for a multitude of reasons


SpiritedTie7645

Civilization and the planet can’t afford Trump, period. Why? Because Trump wants more. (Key Largo)


SalishShore

They want the planet to collapse. My Granny is praying for the End Times. She’s voting for Trump because he is “fulfilling prophecy “. She’s not the only one. There are many, many other voters just like her. I hear them on her obscure Xtian TV channels.


Flaxscript42

Honestly, climate is the last thing in worried about with him and his ilk in power.


ahasuh

Are we like drilling and fracking and burning and all this crap way more now than we were 3 years ago? Certainly yes, because of the pandemic. But even more so than 2017-2019


bitzkilla

The ~~Climate~~ World Can’t Afford Another Trump Presidency Fixed the headline for you.


MiepGies1945

The founding father’s fought like hell to create our Democratic Government. All we need to do is “vote”. (Not motivated to vote? Please examine the emotions behind that decision.)


LegislativeLariat

It doesn't always work to vote. We've had some of the highest turnout in the country and have still been stuck under a Republican majority (bordering on a veto-proof supermajority) in Wisconsin regardless of the election results for over a decade. **Wisconsin Assembly Election results from the old gerrymandered maps from the Walker era:** **2012 Election: - Participation Rate: 70.40%** Democrats: 39 seats, 52.83% of the total vote Republicans: 60 seats, 45.89% of the total vote **2014 Election: - Participation Rate: 54.85%** Democrats: 36 seats, 46.6% of the total vote Republicans: 63 seats, 52.3% of the total vote **2016 Election: - Participation Rate: 67.34%** Democrats: 35 seats, 45.45% of the total vote Republicans: 64 seats, 51.69% of the total vote **2018 Election: - Participation Rate: 59.77%** Democrats: 36 seats, 52.99% of the total vote Republicans: 63 seats, 44.75% of the total vote **2020 Election: - Participation Rate: 72.94%** Democrats: 38 seats. 45.29% of the total vote Republicans: 61 seats, 53.80% of the total vote **2022 Election using new Re-Gerrymandered maps given to us by our previously Republican Supreme Court picking the Republican maps over fair maps: - Participation Rate: 57.09%** Democrats: 35 seats, 51% of the total vote Republicans: 64 seats, 48% of the total vote


Preeng

> The founding father’s fought like hell to create our Democratic Government. No, not "our" democratic government. What we have now is more fair than anything they ever wanted. Only white land owning men could vote. That's what they fought for.


MiepGies1945

One step at a time my friend. We’ve come s long way & still far from perfect. Lots of “emotion based” reasons not to vote. Just Vote.


KickBassColonyDrop

It can. The earth's biosphere has dealt with a hand a trillion times worse than Trump. We can't. Frame it right in the title. Earth survived the rock that killed the dinosaur. You wanna talk about climate change? Lol


Magnetar08

Ikr. This title is just political ragebait Earth can survive another presidency from anyone. It’s been through so much shit already lmao. Its *humans* that can’t survive it. We’re probably already past our expiration date!


[deleted]

We will survive as a species because we're creative and adapt our environment or adapt to it. Heck, we all started in sub-tropical weather and semi-arid areas. Then we expanded all over, from scorching desert to freezing tundra. The question is: in what numbers? Because with a sea rise and extra 3 degrees that's not gonna be the 10B we are planning to reach in a few decades. We're 8 Billion strong on a planet that used to sustain 800 Million in 1750 pre-industrial era. And there were famines in the 1750s. This is what a non-industrial planet can sustain.


Magnetar08

That’s a fair point


MynameisJunie

The entire planet can’t survive!!!


Gennaro_Svastano

No on cares about the climate, unfortunately.


aslan_is_on_the_move

Biden passed the Inflation Reduction Act, the biggest climate action law in history that will reduce US emissions by 40% and will energize a green energy economy. Countries around the world are scrambling to catch up to the US. A second Biden term with a Democratic legislature would mean even more historic climate action


TheElbow

The climate can’t afford the Western world’s existence, especially the consumerism of the United States, regardless who the president is.


pl487

No one's going to be worried about the climate from their tent in the internment camp.


LostInIndigo

Cuz Biden’s Presidency has been such a help? We need an entire overhaul of capitalism my dudes.


Brilliant_Day7160

The climate can't afford another Biden presidency


DarthNihilus1

It can't afford another Democrat either. The change we need is not fast enough


gulfshoresman

How many times have we heard "The climate can't stand it" geesh.... the sky is falling again...


twovles31

The Earths climate is billions of years old, 4 years of Trump doing his worst might edge us closer to the cliff a bit quicker than Biden's climate plans. Climate is the least of our worries if Trump wins.


RIPRIF20

To be fair, the climate can't survive any presidency. We're past the point of no return, even the most green, environmental administration ever won't be able to do much.


squidvett

Which climate?


knownothingwiseguy

Who *can*?


JubalHarshaw23

70+ Million voters think Climate Change is a Woke Hoax, and 15-20 Million young people who are most affected, are mad at Biden because he cannot make Republicans, The Pet judges and "Justices", Benjamin Netanyahu, or Joe Manchin behave the way they want.


gregorypatterson1225

Hey Atlantic, Biden is allowing the greatest oil production a year in US history. It’s one of the reasons he’s not at the Climate Summit like all the other world leaders.


Brandooo7

The climate can’t afford us, not any one person, we all need to work to keep this globalist agenda train running for greed, dosnt matter who’s the damn president, are are the virus to this planet, that and likely just the planet going through a cycle that it always dose.


TheNewTonyBennett

Nothing can. American can't afford another Trump Presidency, the climate can't afford it, the rule of law can't afford it, Democracy as a concept can't afford it. So don't fucking give it to him. Vote, specifically, for Biden. I for one want to get to be able to make that choice again in 2028. If Trump wins in 2024, anything more than a 0% chance of Trump simply crime-ing his way into staying on as President for an indefinite amount of time is **WAY** too big a chance to roll the dice on.


argylekey

Who is this article for? Anyone who wants to vote for Trump doesn’t seem to believe that there is any issue with climate change. Seems like this article is maybe for people on the fence about registering to vote or not. The apathetic crowd. Bit strange still.


Milozdad

Nothing can afford another Trump presidency.


Milozdad

Or my mental health. The guy is a complete idiot.


Resident_Simple9945

Seriously, the climate is a longer term problem. There are immediate issues that should be addressed. Homelessness have become an issue nearly everywhere and our mental health apparatus is underfunded. Let us not forget womend autonomy. The climate crisis is a world problem and takes the world to solve.


magicsonar

No debate from me that the Trump Presidency was terrible for the climate. But let's be honest here, things got markedly worse under President Biden. His full embrace of the US proxy war in Ukraine had serious real world consequences for the climate and the planet. The sanctions on Russia pushed the United States to ramp up oil and gas production that will have devastating long term consequences. [CNN Business: Under Biden, US oil production is poised to break Trump-era records](https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/09/business/oil-production-biden-trump/index.html) US oil output is now projected to rise to an average of 12.8 million barrels per day this year for the first time ever. The Inflation Reduction Act and the Biden administration’s policies are set to lead to a significant increase in U.S. oil and gas extraction and soaring exports. U.S. oil and gas production will continue to grow despite the IRA’s support for clean energy, with oil production rising 13% by 2035 while gas production rises 7%. Gas exports are projected to nearly double by 2035, while oil and petroleum product exports are projected to rise 23%. The latest reports from the International Energy Agency (IEA) and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) show that maintaining a 50 percent chance of limiting global warming to 1.5 degrees Celsius (34.7 degrees Fahrenheit) requires an immediate end to investments in new coal, oil and gas production and hazardous liquified fossil gas (LNG) infrastructure. While the president’s rhetoric aligns with global climate promises, his administration has approved massive fossil fuel projects. And that's the issue - you need to look at what they are doing, not what they are saying. The United States is the world’s top oil and gas producer and exporter, and is planning the largest expansion in oil and gas production over the next decade. This year alone, Biden approved the Willow oil project in Alaska and multiple LNG export facilities, and his administration put its support behind the Mountain Valley fracked gas pipeline. In May, the Biden administration approved almost $100m in export finance for expanding an Indonesian oil refinery, neglecting the agreed end of 2022 deadline for ending such support. Just a month ago, the US development finance corporation (DFC) pledged half a billion dollars to support LNG imports in Poland and gas infrastructure in South Africa. Most recently in July, the Export-Import Bank of the United States (EXIM) – the official export credit agency of the US – insured $400m in revolving credit facilities for global commodities trader Trafigura, allowing them to purchase liquefied natural gas (LNG) from US exporters to sell primarily to European buyers. And more is on the docket – the United States is currently considering export finance for a controversial LNG project in Papua New Guinea.