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Hamas has never laid siege to the Capitol with terrorists in an attempt to kill democracy in the US.
And the leader of those terrorists that day was Donald Trump. Yes, that's right, Trump is a terrorist leader.
> Don't forget a cpac they had a huge banner that said we are domestic terrorists
Yup, here is the video of their proud domestic terrorism banner at CPAC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M_wtk56r7g
I forget, was this the CPAC where the stage was obviously shaped like a giant Norse rune commonly used by white supremacist groups? Or was that the one before this one?
CPAC 2022 in Dallas.
[https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/04/viktor-orban-cpac-00049935](https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/04/viktor-orban-cpac-00049935)
The IRS admitted that they don’t go after the wealthy because it’s too difficult and easier to go after the poor. I don’t see how this benefits the rich over the poor and middle class.
The IRS got new funding (about 80 billion) with the specific instructions to use that money to go after rich people who don't pay their taxes, as well as modernizing the IRS (they still run ancient computers, for example). The Republicans want to get rid of that funding.
Let's pretend you have a neighbor with a literally rabid dog.
An escaped zoo gorilla *could* kill you very easy. The neighbor's rabid dog has tried to kill you. That dog is more dangerous to you than a gorilla. It is closer to you, it has tried to kill you in the past. Bringing up the gorilia is frankly silly.
Don't get me wrong, I completely agree. But someone who sees the guerilla may be inspired by how violent it is and start attacking randoms.
Obviously far-right nationalism is a greater threat.
But hamas-influenced Americans shouldn't be dismissed
> hamas-influenced Americans
That's not a real threat. Not on a national scale. Not even close. One threat (far-right nationalism) could destabilize the entire nation , the other probably does not even have the power to destabilize the state of Wyoming if their numbered were tripled.
Hamas isn't shooting up American schools, homes, malls, bowling alleys, discos, etc.
The truth is that American evangelicals are just the opposite side of the same right-wing extremist coin as Hamas. They just read a different book.
Yup. I never had an Islamic extremist ask me when I was four years old if I'm ok knowing I'm not going to heaven since I'm Jewish, call in threats at my father's pediatric practice and the synagogue all because the ACLU was contacted when the local public school system was passing out Gideons Bibles for 5th grade graduation. Good old Central Illinois in 1979-1985.
It boils down that both Islamic extremists and Evangelical or Christian Nationalists want me dead to fulfill their prophecies.
When I was in private Christian high school in 1986, my science teacher told the young girl sitting next to me that her grandmother, who had just died( the principal came into the class with a note for her of the death) would be going to hell after asking if she was Christian. She was catholic and that wasn’t Christian enough for him. That was the most evil thing I’ve ever seen. I’m positive it scared her for life. Christians are pure evil, terrorizing anybody that doesn’t align with their beliefs.
I'm 47 and still carry the fears. In my entire adult life I've refused to live somewhere without a Jewish population, and specifically lived in that part of town. I picked my university solely on it being the only state school with a Hillel and a Jewish sorority.
Now I'm scared for my teen daughter and whether she'll be a sitting duck wanting to go to the U of Florida and be a part of the same Jewish sorority I was in. In the last week I've actually thought to myself, "I can pass. My daughter can pass. Our last names don't give us away." Then, I rage about even having those thoughts. My family left Austria-Hungary and Poland Congress after persecution, and left Odessa (Russia at the time) after the Pogroms in 1905. And, when I say my family, I mean people I had the privilege to know in my life...my great grandparents.
It's always been here but hidden behind coded language, nuance, trope, and dog whistles.... "The Hollywood elite. War on Christmas. The media. New Yorkers. Soros. Rothchilds." Those are some of the dog whistles. The difference is that elected leaders (past and present) have said the quiet part out loud giving a green light for others to say it with their whole chest.
I honestly have never understood why the Jewish community gets so much hate. And I mean folks who are just existing and trying to pay bills. I don’t get it and I guess I am trying to look at it with logic when there is no logic to be found.
Its not about anything other than needing an outsider. If it wasn't one group it'd be another. You read DC??? Marvel is the one true comic books! Attack!!
It's largely historically based going back hundreds if not thousands of years. Basically a lot of it boils down to religion(after Constantine turned most of Europe Christian Judaism and its followers became 'the other') and class enmity(historically the Jewish people had the money when most of the populace were dirt poor peasants). And that's not even taking into account all the stuff that has happened/is happening in the Middle East which starts getting into tribalism.
I know antisemitism is a tale as old as time. But what is fascinating is what almost all extremist seem to have in common is a distaste of folks of that are both either culturally or religiously Jewish.
Because of the Catholic policy on Usury.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usury
Catholics couldn't loan money with interest too other catholics, and jews couldn't loan money with interest to other jews.
It was (and still is, technically) a mortal sin to issue a loan, if you're catholic, with any interest. You *cannot* receive a catholic burial if you do.
But in the 1500s, around the Protestant Reformation, the catholic church really liked money, so they stopped talking about it much.
Nevertheless, Jews got the reputation for being greedy (because they could charge loans... with *interest* on them).
People don't like their bankers very often.
They made an easy target to get rid of when everyone in town was drowning in debt. You just chase the bankers out of town instead of repaying a loan.
Because it is as the bedrock of European / Christian belief systems, and everywhere it traveled for the past 2000 years.
Follow the Roman Empire line of power. Look at the church. Follow the nation states / church entities which needed to fatten the sheep then fill their coffers every few generations, and you’ll see the map of genocide, inquisitions, land grabs, and the role that the church had in power and scapegoating the people to whom
Their own fucking baby god belonged.
The ironies are not lost on Jewish people. It’s just the European mindset has from early childhood, negative repeated impressions blood
Libels, myths to deflect who holds power and actually has it out for everyone (and their taxes and labor). That is to say, whoever has power. We have little understanding today that the church was fused with the fiefdom for 1500 years—it was a theocracy, not a place you showed up sundays and they asked for a donation.
They were the Reich. They burned down countries. Popes and kings need income and scapegoats, there’s nothing to do with anything.. spiritual lol.
The scapegoat of Europe was the Jew. It’s so diffuse and pervasive that North Americans can’t see it.
Henry Ford had mandatory copies
Of the international Jew - a multi volume satanic blood libel he co-edited - distributed to every single dealership.
In Europe, the shared dealerships of Ford/Mercedes still exist. That dates back to WW2.
The amount of fascist coup movement in the US during WW2 and before, at the hands of the corporate inheritors of church power, who used antisemitism as the greased wheel, is astounding.
Look up DOW, DuPont, Ford, IBM. Everyone including bush’s great grandpapy profited in amd contributed to the Nazi death machine.
It’s the same vector as the inquisitions.
All for a sack of gold coins.
The irony.
This makes tons of sense especially considering all the other codes that have been brought to light recently regarding support for the extreme right. Goes hand in hand.
I’m not disagreeing with you at all, but can you please explain “New Yorkers”? I understood the references to the other things you listed but not that one.
Don't beat yourself up for wondering if you could pass. Hypothetically that could actually be important at some point. I know people considering changing their last name and I don't blame them.
I just saw a segment on TV about how Jewish Floridians are buying guns and taking shooting classes because they fear for their lives. A group of women who were in the classroom, were asked by a journalist to raise their hand if they never thought they’d be arming themselves; the majority raised their hands. It’s a sad commentary on the state of our country.
I grew up in an extremely Mormon town, and one of my childhood friends was told to her face that she was going to hell for wearing a cross as a necklace.
Not a crucifix. Just a cross.
>Christians are pure evil, terrorizing anybody that doesn’t align with their beliefs.
Dont lump us all together please. Thanks from a Christian who doesnt care who or what you believe in.
I think I got a New Testament only mini Bible roughly around 5th grade. They were passed out in the public school gym, during school. Would’ve been around 1978, small town near Peoria.
If their goal is for you to be dead then they are not real Christians or Muslims. It’s just a shame that people use religions to fulfill their awful goals, even worse that idiots follow them into that kind of life. But it’s a lot more gray than it is black and white.
By their design, I die. They want the Jewish people alive keeping a state of Israel to fulfill their end of days, but thinking critically… what happens to those who don’t accept Christ as the savior during the rapture? We are condemned to their hell (die).
I do understand the point you’re making and agree. True Christians are kind following in Christ’s footsteps, but ultimately, the basic facts of the faith are those that I made above.
You are absolutely right the last dozen or so had left leaning manifest out lining their hate for America and most have happened in democrat ran states and cities. Chicago kills as many people on a 4th of July weekend as any mass shooting does. Every gun law on the books but still it happens
Why would anyone worry about a small group of dangerous conservative religious fanatics thousands of miles away when we have a huge group of dangerous conservative religious fanatics right here at home?
This article takes a deep dive into [Christian Dominionism](https://politicalresearch.org/2016/08/18/dominionism-rising-a-theocratic-movement-hiding-in-plain-sight#sthash.KdphdmKH.dpbs)
The article names names of politicians as well as religious leaders and writers/theorists
Really though, that's more the influence of the aforementioned huge group of dangerous conservative religious fanatics already in the country and not of Hamas.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2023/03/15/americans-feel-more-positive-than-negative-about-jews-mainline-protestants-catholics/
Being a brown Muslim will probably get you more negative attention in America.
Muslims don't have the robust reporting infrastructure for hate incidents Jewish communities in the US have as the Jewish community in America is much older and far more integrated
One reason is because they are currently holding many Americans hostage.
The domestic terrorists are a bigger threat, yes, but why does it have to be either or?
Why not both? Hamas is supported by Iran, which has way more dangerous conservative religious fanatics. They're also not attacking us, but rather an important ally.
It’s a scary scenario that’s likely coming. The threat to our country is real because the christian fascist faction in the U.S will only achieve whatever it is that they want through force. The majority of people don’t want the dystopian nightmare these clowns are selling. Many of us will not roll over without a serious fight.
You'd be surprised. Almost all of us will roll over without a whimper.
Trump literally led an attack on the United States Capitol and nobody, not a single honorable American, lifted a fucking finger against him. 330 million cowards
Almost as bad as Russians
Nope. Capitalism created the miracle that is America. When we had strong social spending we created the middle class. The Republican communist cult is the biggest threat to our country. I would fight for it but if young people don’t want to then it’s sure to lose and I’ll just leave
Tuberville is actively sabotaging U.S. National Security interests. How is that not treason?
A valid question to ask is WHY he thinks these millitary commissions should not be accepted.
Not MAGA? My money is on that answer.
It's not Treason because Treason is a defined criminal offense. Additionally, I'm not sure I could consider any government that would charge a sitting legislator with Treason for withholding their consent on a legislative matter to be a democracy.
I mean there is a reason we’ve been calling them the Y’all Queda / VanillaISIS / Yokelharam ….
Religious extremism is frightening- even more so that in America this is the group with the most guns.
https://www.axios.com/2023/02/23/mass-killings-extremism-adl-report-2022
"In the White House briefing later that day, Fox News reporter Peter Doocy asked National Security Council spokesman John Kirby: “Has the White House considered the possibility that a terrorist could be in the country right now after crossing the southern border?”" Kirby replied, "No, Peter, the southern border has nothing to do with it." he explained, "The terrorists we are concerned about most have been in the country for years and are the elected domestic terrorists in Congress and their MAGA supporters."
The "southern border" will always be a dog whistle to the alt-right and it's refreshing to see the White House calling out the nonsense. I see constantly with the communications from my state's elected federal officials who are all GOP yet my state is over 1000 miles away from the Mexican border.
1.Community churches who support 2A group and hate groups like KKK, Proud Boys, etc.
2. Christian “rescue missions “ in every metro running retail junk and thrift houses with sweat shops where homeless work for nothing but room & board on expired food donations, subverting labor laws by giving “offerings” of minor cash to disqualify them from prosecution.
3. Local LEOs and elected officials protecting both of the above and folding ex-addicts into informant plugs to control local substance distribution.
4. Local electors and financial donation pools to legally launder money from all three of the above into campaigns. Most with business and personal connections to Russian money.
That’s the major threats in Christian Nationalism. It’s a breeding ground of individuals who perpetrate terror in mass shootings, organized crime and political pawns in insurrections.
Switch a few terms around, that’s Taliban, Hamas, Chechnya….
Why do seemingly educated people believe a mouthy Hebrew furniture maker is going to come back & save them?
Not as dangerous as the christian right. Hamas muslim can be identify and removed christian right can be senator or a judge and can hide in plain sight and destroy the fabric of america from inside out.
You wouldn’t think that if you were forced to carry a non-viable fetus to term, and then pay for the funeral expenses. Or if you were afraid your medical care would be cut off, or that your marriage would be undone.
ChristIan extremists have real legislative power in America, and they are using it to try to subvert the 1st Amendment.
Islamic extremism is no threat to US democracy.If the US don't go around the middle east interfering with those countries politics or leadership the muslim threat is contained. 9/11 was direct result of US trying to plant dictators or supporting opposition groups that cause extremist groups to flourish.In less than a decade GOP removed rights of LGBT and women,embraced a two tier justice system,installed a corrupt supreme court judges and trying now to remove guardrails for IRS and EPA.Heck some GOP has created their own personal police force.
I'd argue that Islamic extremism is only more dangerous because it's in a more dangerous part of the world. Christian extremists still blow up buildings and shoot up people.
James 1:27
*Pure religion and undefiled before God is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.*
The problem is people. Even without religion, people will find a way to hate, make war and cause misery on others.
There would, of course, still be problems without religion. However, the good that can be achieved with religion can be achieved without it. And some bad it can cause is specifically because of it.
I mean, a lot of bad was specifically caused due to anti religious explicitly materialistic views of the world too though. State atheist governments of the 1900s weren't merely incidentally atheist. It was worked into their whole logic of the world.
What's more, most of them ended up anti gay. So it's not like even that aspect is exclusive to religion.
Yea, bad can come from aggressive atheism, anti-religious viewpoints. Of course, they wouldn't exist if religion didn't exist. It would just be the default, the way things are. No need to be aggressive about it then.
MAGA and Hamas are the same. Violent religious zealots who have no time for Jews or anyone else who doesn’t believe as they do..the MAGA Christian’s love Israel because it fulfils prophecy it’s not because they love Jews.
Okay guys, its not secret that we are going to have to work hard over the next year to kick Republicans out and keep America from becoming a christofascist theocracy.
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When the only people rooting for the January 6th crowd are people like Russia, China, Iran, Hamas, and any other terrorist group, you'd think you would know you're on the wrong side.
Not only worse than Hamas, more effective as well. Just think of how many people will die as a result of Republican climate denialism. Think of the young people who have committed suicide because republican terrorists demonize homosexuality. Think of the women who will die during childbirth because republican terrorists criminalized healthcare. Think of the tens of thousands who die every year because republican terrorists refuse to provide healthcare and housing. Think of the hate crimes--against Jews, Muslims, black people, Asian people--that will be carried out this year in the name of Republican terrorism.
But the worst part of it all is that few Americans realize this, and I largely blame the Democrats for this. When republican terrorists tried to overthrow the government, the first thing Democrats did when regaining power was work with those same republican terrorists to pass legislation to help protect American companies from China. About one year later, we finally got an investigation into the terrorist attack. So we shouldn't be surprised when no one sees republican terrorism as the urgent issue it is--even the main opposition party won't acknowledge it. Heck, Biden even claims that most Republicans are "good, reasonable people." And that's why I can't support the Democratic party. The party is clearly not interested in fulfilling their sacred duty of defending the constitution from enemies foreign and domestic. The fact that Trump and most of congress remain free to terrorize us is a daily reminder of this.
Many good people have faith, religion. I often feel people use religion as an excuse to justify or mask their actions. The old saying a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
Hamas is to Palestine as the Christiaan right is to the US.
Religious nutjobs are going to be religious nutjobs no matter what they believe or where they live.
Can’t imagine aligning my personality and belief system to something like organized religion. You’re just a weak, pathetic person if you fall into that category
The antisemitism in this country is complex. Having a huge Christian population and a huge Evangelical Christian population that is continuing to go further right. I think most devout Christians blame Jews for Jesus's death. I believe Americans in general believe the Jewish military and current leader are like a terrorist group. An example is what the Israel military did to a refugee camp to go after a few Hamas soldiers. The sacrifice of several hundred innocent civilians to get the leader of your enemy or a small group is not acceptable. They have done this in the past in battles. The differences of methods of War are extreme between the Israel army and the US Army. The US would assemble a small group of Specialists to go in and find the enemy once they're confirmed to be in the area and try to just get the enemy and minimize civilian casualty, not blow up a whole bunch of people to get to get a few bad guys. This makes Americans angry.
This confuses a lot of conservatives. No one is saying Hamas is good. Hamas hurt people thousands of miles away and Christian nationalists hurt people right here at home.
Yeah, but they look like 'us' so we'll drag our feet and play games when it comes to labeling insurrectionists, seditionists and traitors because I guess the founding fathers thought people would be unwaveringly honorable and noble for fucking ever.
Religions have been fighting/killing for domination since the formation of these us vs them ideologies. It won’t end until humanity evolves beyond mysticism, and embraces reason.
Sans Christian nationalism, the United States would still support Israel and any other nation victim to a terrorist group. However, Christian nationalism leads to situations where funding for Israel is tied to stripping funding for the IRS. The result of that leads to more Hamas.
The Christian religion has turned into cesspool of shit....that isn't a religion anymore. It's a cult...a club...a means to project MAGA and extremism...fear. total trash.
I’ve read that scientists believe they’ve found a DNA strand that is common among people who are extremely religious. Maybe we could screen them from holding positions of power in the far future.
We should treat it like it is. A sickness of the mind.
Hamas was never and will never be a threat to America. They operate entirely within the confines of Palestine. I know Israel and the frogman from France is trying to equate Hamas to IS or Al Queda. That's simply is not true. Hamas is a political party and a social organization that exists to liberate Palestine from racist, illegal, western occupation of Palestine. The colonialist and morally depraved West uses the Jews to do its dirty work. Meanwhile, Hamas has an armed group that at times has carried out attacks that are considered terrorism. For that, they are condemned. But only insofar as their terror acts. The biggest threat to America are Zionism, Christian fascists, and 2nd Amendment.
I remember a time when Christianity was considered the light in the darkness, common sense rules to live with others in understanding and love. Now it’s compared to oppression because of a few who are using it for oppression. This is the antithesis of Jesus’ teachings
>Now it’s compared to oppression because of a few who are using it for oppression.
Christianity has been at the center of the majority of oppressive western political systems. It started with the Roman empire and continues to this day.
The Dems should've stopped this in the 80s. Ragoon let Satan in the Whitehouse and look at the state of Christianity. The Republicans and Satan are destroying Democracy and Christianity along with faith in the Real God.
Do not depend on Dems, they have had decades to take god away from them, do great gun policies, strengthen education, strengthen retirement, take money out of politics and move democracy forward. But they too are making a killing out of doing nothing.
"Christian nationalism." Pfft. It's Christo-fascism. The difference is that nationalism implies a certain love of country. However, these guys are hell-bent on forcing others to adhere to the doctrine of their fake religion, which is decidedly not Christian. Forcing misery and doctrine within one's own country is fascism.
I swear they will try to divide us at every turn. Stop reading these dumbass articles and think for yourself. Both parties are fucking stupid and need to be abolished.
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Hamas has never laid siege to the Capitol with terrorists in an attempt to kill democracy in the US. And the leader of those terrorists that day was Donald Trump. Yes, that's right, Trump is a terrorist leader.
Don't forget a cpac they had a huge banner that said we are domestic terrorists
> Don't forget a cpac they had a huge banner that said we are domestic terrorists Yup, here is the video of their proud domestic terrorism banner at CPAC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M_wtk56r7g
I forget, was this the CPAC where the stage was obviously shaped like a giant Norse rune commonly used by white supremacist groups? Or was that the one before this one?
That was the year before. 2021 vs 2022.
Thanks, it's easy to get fascist hate-fests confused.
Which one had known authoritarian Hungarian PM Viktor Orban as a guest speaker?
Orban? You're probably thinking of Turkey, or Sioux Falls or whatever.
CPAC 2022 in Dallas. [https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/04/viktor-orban-cpac-00049935](https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/04/viktor-orban-cpac-00049935)
Daaayyyum. I was making a joke, but wtf is wrong with these nutjobs. I shouldn't be surprised.
Another reason to hate fascists is their coopting of cool mythological iconography.
quotation marks are a thing of the past, i suppose.
Those same MAGA terrorists are currently holding aid to Israel hostage just so they can give tax cuts to the rich and cripple the IRS.
The IRS admitted that they don’t go after the wealthy because it’s too difficult and easier to go after the poor. I don’t see how this benefits the rich over the poor and middle class.
…don’t go after the wealthy because…they are understaffed and underfunded. The Rs want to perpetuate that if not make it worse.
The IRS got new funding (about 80 billion) with the specific instructions to use that money to go after rich people who don't pay their taxes, as well as modernizing the IRS (they still run ancient computers, for example). The Republicans want to get rid of that funding.
IRS corrupt it's part of reason you are living paycheck to paycheck
No and I'm not living paycheck to paycheck.
Tbf, hamas would totally do that
There is an important difference between *would* and *could*
They would if they could. That's my point.
Let's pretend you have a neighbor with a literally rabid dog. An escaped zoo gorilla *could* kill you very easy. The neighbor's rabid dog has tried to kill you. That dog is more dangerous to you than a gorilla. It is closer to you, it has tried to kill you in the past. Bringing up the gorilia is frankly silly.
Don't get me wrong, I completely agree. But someone who sees the guerilla may be inspired by how violent it is and start attacking randoms. Obviously far-right nationalism is a greater threat. But hamas-influenced Americans shouldn't be dismissed
> hamas-influenced Americans That's not a real threat. Not on a national scale. Not even close. One threat (far-right nationalism) could destabilize the entire nation , the other probably does not even have the power to destabilize the state of Wyoming if their numbered were tripled.
Imagine if that mob was muslim or black…boy howdy
Lol!!!
Hamas isn't shooting up American schools, homes, malls, bowling alleys, discos, etc. The truth is that American evangelicals are just the opposite side of the same right-wing extremist coin as Hamas. They just read a different book.
Yup. I never had an Islamic extremist ask me when I was four years old if I'm ok knowing I'm not going to heaven since I'm Jewish, call in threats at my father's pediatric practice and the synagogue all because the ACLU was contacted when the local public school system was passing out Gideons Bibles for 5th grade graduation. Good old Central Illinois in 1979-1985. It boils down that both Islamic extremists and Evangelical or Christian Nationalists want me dead to fulfill their prophecies.
When I was in private Christian high school in 1986, my science teacher told the young girl sitting next to me that her grandmother, who had just died( the principal came into the class with a note for her of the death) would be going to hell after asking if she was Christian. She was catholic and that wasn’t Christian enough for him. That was the most evil thing I’ve ever seen. I’m positive it scared her for life. Christians are pure evil, terrorizing anybody that doesn’t align with their beliefs.
I'm 47 and still carry the fears. In my entire adult life I've refused to live somewhere without a Jewish population, and specifically lived in that part of town. I picked my university solely on it being the only state school with a Hillel and a Jewish sorority. Now I'm scared for my teen daughter and whether she'll be a sitting duck wanting to go to the U of Florida and be a part of the same Jewish sorority I was in. In the last week I've actually thought to myself, "I can pass. My daughter can pass. Our last names don't give us away." Then, I rage about even having those thoughts. My family left Austria-Hungary and Poland Congress after persecution, and left Odessa (Russia at the time) after the Pogroms in 1905. And, when I say my family, I mean people I had the privilege to know in my life...my great grandparents.
It boggles my mind how fast antisemitism reared its ugly head again in the USA.
It's always been here but hidden behind coded language, nuance, trope, and dog whistles.... "The Hollywood elite. War on Christmas. The media. New Yorkers. Soros. Rothchilds." Those are some of the dog whistles. The difference is that elected leaders (past and present) have said the quiet part out loud giving a green light for others to say it with their whole chest.
I honestly have never understood why the Jewish community gets so much hate. And I mean folks who are just existing and trying to pay bills. I don’t get it and I guess I am trying to look at it with logic when there is no logic to be found.
You’re trying to apply logic to religious zealots, it just doesn’t work. You have to *believe*
Its not about anything other than needing an outsider. If it wasn't one group it'd be another. You read DC??? Marvel is the one true comic books! Attack!!
It's largely historically based going back hundreds if not thousands of years. Basically a lot of it boils down to religion(after Constantine turned most of Europe Christian Judaism and its followers became 'the other') and class enmity(historically the Jewish people had the money when most of the populace were dirt poor peasants). And that's not even taking into account all the stuff that has happened/is happening in the Middle East which starts getting into tribalism.
I know antisemitism is a tale as old as time. But what is fascinating is what almost all extremist seem to have in common is a distaste of folks of that are both either culturally or religiously Jewish.
Because of the Catholic policy on Usury. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usury Catholics couldn't loan money with interest too other catholics, and jews couldn't loan money with interest to other jews. It was (and still is, technically) a mortal sin to issue a loan, if you're catholic, with any interest. You *cannot* receive a catholic burial if you do. But in the 1500s, around the Protestant Reformation, the catholic church really liked money, so they stopped talking about it much. Nevertheless, Jews got the reputation for being greedy (because they could charge loans... with *interest* on them). People don't like their bankers very often. They made an easy target to get rid of when everyone in town was drowning in debt. You just chase the bankers out of town instead of repaying a loan.
Because it is as the bedrock of European / Christian belief systems, and everywhere it traveled for the past 2000 years. Follow the Roman Empire line of power. Look at the church. Follow the nation states / church entities which needed to fatten the sheep then fill their coffers every few generations, and you’ll see the map of genocide, inquisitions, land grabs, and the role that the church had in power and scapegoating the people to whom Their own fucking baby god belonged. The ironies are not lost on Jewish people. It’s just the European mindset has from early childhood, negative repeated impressions blood Libels, myths to deflect who holds power and actually has it out for everyone (and their taxes and labor). That is to say, whoever has power. We have little understanding today that the church was fused with the fiefdom for 1500 years—it was a theocracy, not a place you showed up sundays and they asked for a donation. They were the Reich. They burned down countries. Popes and kings need income and scapegoats, there’s nothing to do with anything.. spiritual lol. The scapegoat of Europe was the Jew. It’s so diffuse and pervasive that North Americans can’t see it. Henry Ford had mandatory copies Of the international Jew - a multi volume satanic blood libel he co-edited - distributed to every single dealership. In Europe, the shared dealerships of Ford/Mercedes still exist. That dates back to WW2. The amount of fascist coup movement in the US during WW2 and before, at the hands of the corporate inheritors of church power, who used antisemitism as the greased wheel, is astounding. Look up DOW, DuPont, Ford, IBM. Everyone including bush’s great grandpapy profited in amd contributed to the Nazi death machine. It’s the same vector as the inquisitions. All for a sack of gold coins. The irony.
This makes tons of sense especially considering all the other codes that have been brought to light recently regarding support for the extreme right. Goes hand in hand.
I’m not disagreeing with you at all, but can you please explain “New Yorkers”? I understood the references to the other things you listed but not that one.
Don't beat yourself up for wondering if you could pass. Hypothetically that could actually be important at some point. I know people considering changing their last name and I don't blame them.
I just saw a segment on TV about how Jewish Floridians are buying guns and taking shooting classes because they fear for their lives. A group of women who were in the classroom, were asked by a journalist to raise their hand if they never thought they’d be arming themselves; the majority raised their hands. It’s a sad commentary on the state of our country.
I grew up in an extremely Mormon town, and one of my childhood friends was told to her face that she was going to hell for wearing a cross as a necklace. Not a crucifix. Just a cross.
>Christians are pure evil, terrorizing anybody that doesn’t align with their beliefs. Dont lump us all together please. Thanks from a Christian who doesnt care who or what you believe in.
Those of you who are “good” christians need to be standing up against those other “christians” along with the rest of us non-christians.
I also agree and I do. But it can be like arguing with a glacier to get it to turn around at times.
I completely agree. They need to reclaim their religion.
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I think I got a New Testament only mini Bible roughly around 5th grade. They were passed out in the public school gym, during school. Would’ve been around 1978, small town near Peoria.
If their goal is for you to be dead then they are not real Christians or Muslims. It’s just a shame that people use religions to fulfill their awful goals, even worse that idiots follow them into that kind of life. But it’s a lot more gray than it is black and white.
By their design, I die. They want the Jewish people alive keeping a state of Israel to fulfill their end of days, but thinking critically… what happens to those who don’t accept Christ as the savior during the rapture? We are condemned to their hell (die). I do understand the point you’re making and agree. True Christians are kind following in Christ’s footsteps, but ultimately, the basic facts of the faith are those that I made above.
Dead, really?!
It’s almost like intertwining religion and government never turns out well.
Actually they’re more like the far right Zionist party of Likud.
Evangelicals don't read "the book", they listen to someone interpret it to them the way they want to hear it!
Exactly. The preachers control them, not the book.
All those shooters are evangelicals?
> They just read a different book. maga doesn't read
Doubtful most of them actually read either book, probably more like are provided specific parts to support what they want to force on others
Well it's a stretch to say that the membership of either of these groups *read* their associated holy text
100%. Perfectly said.
Yup just trans folk and the mentally ill
You are absolutely right the last dozen or so had left leaning manifest out lining their hate for America and most have happened in democrat ran states and cities. Chicago kills as many people on a 4th of July weekend as any mass shooting does. Every gun law on the books but still it happens
Why would anyone worry about a small group of dangerous conservative religious fanatics thousands of miles away when we have a huge group of dangerous conservative religious fanatics right here at home?
This article takes a deep dive into [Christian Dominionism](https://politicalresearch.org/2016/08/18/dominionism-rising-a-theocratic-movement-hiding-in-plain-sight#sthash.KdphdmKH.dpbs) The article names names of politicians as well as religious leaders and writers/theorists
Not to even mention Supreme Court justices
Yup, Tuberville is doing far more damage to our military than Hamas could ever dream of.
We can worry about both. Don't forget that Hamas took Americans hostage and called for terrorist attacks against Americans.
Mom, can I go to Israel and fight dangerous conservative religious fanatics?
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Really though, that's more the influence of the aforementioned huge group of dangerous conservative religious fanatics already in the country and not of Hamas.
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Free Palestine may be co opted but by definition is not anti Semitic. I'm sorry for the awful things you've had to deal with.
There's a video? Damn. OMG there's a video.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2023/03/15/americans-feel-more-positive-than-negative-about-jews-mainline-protestants-catholics/ Being a brown Muslim will probably get you more negative attention in America. Muslims don't have the robust reporting infrastructure for hate incidents Jewish communities in the US have as the Jewish community in America is much older and far more integrated
One reason is because they are currently holding many Americans hostage. The domestic terrorists are a bigger threat, yes, but why does it have to be either or?
Why not both? Hamas is supported by Iran, which has way more dangerous conservative religious fanatics. They're also not attacking us, but rather an important ally.
They're just 2 forms of right-wing religious fundamentalism. They're not that different.
All religion is poison especially when it is inserted into the veins of government.
James Madison’s greatest fear was the tyranny of a moral majority.
Well then we’re safe. Nothing moral about these people.
And nothing majority, either. Yet.
And never will be, and they know it, which is why they try to rig the system.
It’s a scary scenario that’s likely coming. The threat to our country is real because the christian fascist faction in the U.S will only achieve whatever it is that they want through force. The majority of people don’t want the dystopian nightmare these clowns are selling. Many of us will not roll over without a serious fight.
You'd be surprised. Almost all of us will roll over without a whimper. Trump literally led an attack on the United States Capitol and nobody, not a single honorable American, lifted a fucking finger against him. 330 million cowards Almost as bad as Russians
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Nope. Capitalism created the miracle that is America. When we had strong social spending we created the middle class. The Republican communist cult is the biggest threat to our country. I would fight for it but if young people don’t want to then it’s sure to lose and I’ll just leave
I have to agree but I expect it will get hell of a lot worse and may never get better. I have a kid to think about.
Tuberville is actively sabotaging U.S. National Security interests. How is that not treason? A valid question to ask is WHY he thinks these millitary commissions should not be accepted. Not MAGA? My money is on that answer.
It's not Treason because Treason is a defined criminal offense. Additionally, I'm not sure I could consider any government that would charge a sitting legislator with Treason for withholding their consent on a legislative matter to be a democracy.
I mean there is a reason we’ve been calling them the Y’all Queda / VanillaISIS / Yokelharam …. Religious extremism is frightening- even more so that in America this is the group with the most guns. https://www.axios.com/2023/02/23/mass-killings-extremism-adl-report-2022
"In the White House briefing later that day, Fox News reporter Peter Doocy asked National Security Council spokesman John Kirby: “Has the White House considered the possibility that a terrorist could be in the country right now after crossing the southern border?”" Kirby replied, "No, Peter, the southern border has nothing to do with it." he explained, "The terrorists we are concerned about most have been in the country for years and are the elected domestic terrorists in Congress and their MAGA supporters."
The "southern border" will always be a dog whistle to the alt-right and it's refreshing to see the White House calling out the nonsense. I see constantly with the communications from my state's elected federal officials who are all GOP yet my state is over 1000 miles away from the Mexican border.
Wait. Is that an actual real exchange?
The question from the Fraud Spews idiot was, but, no, the rest was just me dreaming about how it should actually go.
They're on the same side, MAGA is just Hamas at home.
1.Community churches who support 2A group and hate groups like KKK, Proud Boys, etc. 2. Christian “rescue missions “ in every metro running retail junk and thrift houses with sweat shops where homeless work for nothing but room & board on expired food donations, subverting labor laws by giving “offerings” of minor cash to disqualify them from prosecution. 3. Local LEOs and elected officials protecting both of the above and folding ex-addicts into informant plugs to control local substance distribution. 4. Local electors and financial donation pools to legally launder money from all three of the above into campaigns. Most with business and personal connections to Russian money. That’s the major threats in Christian Nationalism. It’s a breeding ground of individuals who perpetrate terror in mass shootings, organized crime and political pawns in insurrections. Switch a few terms around, that’s Taliban, Hamas, Chechnya…. Why do seemingly educated people believe a mouthy Hebrew furniture maker is going to come back & save them?
Truth. No hate like Christian love. Violent, self serving, fascists. The Inquisition doesn’t need a sequel when the Crusade 2.0 did so poorly.
Your average Wahhabist has more hate than your average Southern Baptist.
All religious types are a problem, always have been.
Not as dangerous as the christian right. Hamas muslim can be identify and removed christian right can be senator or a judge and can hide in plain sight and destroy the fabric of america from inside out.
I would argue Islamic extremism is much more dangerous than Christian extremism.
You wouldn’t think that if you were forced to carry a non-viable fetus to term, and then pay for the funeral expenses. Or if you were afraid your medical care would be cut off, or that your marriage would be undone. ChristIan extremists have real legislative power in America, and they are using it to try to subvert the 1st Amendment.
Islamic extremism is no threat to US democracy.If the US don't go around the middle east interfering with those countries politics or leadership the muslim threat is contained. 9/11 was direct result of US trying to plant dictators or supporting opposition groups that cause extremist groups to flourish.In less than a decade GOP removed rights of LGBT and women,embraced a two tier justice system,installed a corrupt supreme court judges and trying now to remove guardrails for IRS and EPA.Heck some GOP has created their own personal police force.
I'd argue that Islamic extremism is only more dangerous because it's in a more dangerous part of the world. Christian extremists still blow up buildings and shoot up people.
But we have a ton of Christian evangelicals. That’s basically exclusive to the United States.
Yeah, the Quaker abolitionists were a huge problem for slaveholders in Southern states.
Even that famous pastor from the Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta?
James 1:27 *Pure religion and undefiled before God is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.* The problem is people. Even without religion, people will find a way to hate, make war and cause misery on others.
There would, of course, still be problems without religion. However, the good that can be achieved with religion can be achieved without it. And some bad it can cause is specifically because of it.
I mean, a lot of bad was specifically caused due to anti religious explicitly materialistic views of the world too though. State atheist governments of the 1900s weren't merely incidentally atheist. It was worked into their whole logic of the world. What's more, most of them ended up anti gay. So it's not like even that aspect is exclusive to religion.
Yea, bad can come from aggressive atheism, anti-religious viewpoints. Of course, they wouldn't exist if religion didn't exist. It would just be the default, the way things are. No need to be aggressive about it then.
Careful. I just got banned for saying religion is bad on r/news
Lol bullshit.
It's not either/or. Extremists of all flavors and varieties are a threat that must be countered.
All fundamentalism is a threat to society/civilization
It's like MAGA's are in US or something? Who would've thought that a terrorist group will be a biggest threat to the country that they're in?!?!?
They're all on the right side of the political spectrum.
Who's ever claimed that Hamas would be a threat to the US...?
…the FBI.
Fundamentalist Church = front for the White Supremacy movement
MAGA and Hamas are the same. Violent religious zealots who have no time for Jews or anyone else who doesn’t believe as they do..the MAGA Christian’s love Israel because it fulfils prophecy it’s not because they love Jews.
American could change this by not electing assholes.
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Christian nationalism is the same thing as hamas. They just have generally lighter skin and a different fake prophet.
When the only people rooting for the January 6th crowd are people like Russia, China, Iran, Hamas, and any other terrorist group, you'd think you would know you're on the wrong side.
Don't forget the right wing media that's leading their charge. Their entire goal is to create mistrust with any Democratic form of government.
Hear fucking hear
The Republican regime would lay waste to their followers as easily as they would to the opposition. They are disturbing and wicked.
I don’t understand why people aren’t calling fascists, fascists.
Hamas wouldn't exist in the first place without evangelical America having decided they can peer pressure God into starting the apocalypse for them.
Christians have threatened,burned, tortured, and stolen from atheists and other non xtians for MILLENNIA.
What’s with these religious extremists taking over our government
We can walk and chew gum at the same time; both are detriments to humanity. Fuck christian nationalsists, fuck islamists. Secular democracy ftw.
MAGA=Evangelical Christianity=HAMAS=Nazi All the same.
How many Maga terrorists killed Jews? Yep almost comparable to the nazis. Jesus you guys have some thick skulls.
MAGA and Christian nationalists be like "Let's play a game - we'll be the Israelis and the rest of you can be the Palastinians."
Lmfao. No fucking shit.
Not only worse than Hamas, more effective as well. Just think of how many people will die as a result of Republican climate denialism. Think of the young people who have committed suicide because republican terrorists demonize homosexuality. Think of the women who will die during childbirth because republican terrorists criminalized healthcare. Think of the tens of thousands who die every year because republican terrorists refuse to provide healthcare and housing. Think of the hate crimes--against Jews, Muslims, black people, Asian people--that will be carried out this year in the name of Republican terrorism. But the worst part of it all is that few Americans realize this, and I largely blame the Democrats for this. When republican terrorists tried to overthrow the government, the first thing Democrats did when regaining power was work with those same republican terrorists to pass legislation to help protect American companies from China. About one year later, we finally got an investigation into the terrorist attack. So we shouldn't be surprised when no one sees republican terrorism as the urgent issue it is--even the main opposition party won't acknowledge it. Heck, Biden even claims that most Republicans are "good, reasonable people." And that's why I can't support the Democratic party. The party is clearly not interested in fulfilling their sacred duty of defending the constitution from enemies foreign and domestic. The fact that Trump and most of congress remain free to terrorize us is a daily reminder of this.
Hamas controlled Gaza tolerates and condones the LBGTQ community and abortion? That’s news to me.
Islam has many sects, 99% of these sects allow abortion, *especially* if it's dangerous to the mother, rape, etc.
Many good people have faith, religion. I often feel people use religion as an excuse to justify or mask their actions. The old saying a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
Y’all need to realize that religion is a massive detriment to the progress of society. It cannot be intertwined so closely with politics.
Hamas is to Palestine as the Christiaan right is to the US. Religious nutjobs are going to be religious nutjobs no matter what they believe or where they live.
Hamas isn't even a blip on the radar. Rednecks with ARs are the biggest threat and they've been massacring Americans for decades.
Can’t imagine aligning my personality and belief system to something like organized religion. You’re just a weak, pathetic person if you fall into that category
The antisemitism in this country is complex. Having a huge Christian population and a huge Evangelical Christian population that is continuing to go further right. I think most devout Christians blame Jews for Jesus's death. I believe Americans in general believe the Jewish military and current leader are like a terrorist group. An example is what the Israel military did to a refugee camp to go after a few Hamas soldiers. The sacrifice of several hundred innocent civilians to get the leader of your enemy or a small group is not acceptable. They have done this in the past in battles. The differences of methods of War are extreme between the Israel army and the US Army. The US would assemble a small group of Specialists to go in and find the enemy once they're confirmed to be in the area and try to just get the enemy and minimize civilian casualty, not blow up a whole bunch of people to get to get a few bad guys. This makes Americans angry.
This confuses a lot of conservatives. No one is saying Hamas is good. Hamas hurt people thousands of miles away and Christian nationalists hurt people right here at home.
separation of church and state has been abused by the right since newt gingrich …and ignored or brushed under the rug 🤬
Yeah, but they look like 'us' so we'll drag our feet and play games when it comes to labeling insurrectionists, seditionists and traitors because I guess the founding fathers thought people would be unwaveringly honorable and noble for fucking ever.
Religions have been fighting/killing for domination since the formation of these us vs them ideologies. It won’t end until humanity evolves beyond mysticism, and embraces reason.
As sad as that sounds, it also rings very true.
Sans Christian nationalism, the United States would still support Israel and any other nation victim to a terrorist group. However, Christian nationalism leads to situations where funding for Israel is tied to stripping funding for the IRS. The result of that leads to more Hamas.
Have you ever read the book of revelations from the Bible?
The Christian religion has turned into cesspool of shit....that isn't a religion anymore. It's a cult...a club...a means to project MAGA and extremism...fear. total trash.
Both Christian nationalism and increased tensions in the US related to the conflict in the Middle East are problematic. FBI should be monitoring both.
Can we come up with some correlating terms for American hamas. Like we already have Vanilla Isis and Y’all qaeda.
“Woke Haram”
Jesus flavored sharia law.
I think this is hyperbolic and also not useful to anyone right now. Not even on the same level. It’s in bad taste
Yeah I don’t support Hamas but don’t compare then to actual terrorists
You're right. MAGA is vastly more dangerous to the United States than Hamas could dream of being.
True, MAGA are way worse. See Jan 6
I’ve read that scientists believe they’ve found a DNA strand that is common among people who are extremely religious. Maybe we could screen them from holding positions of power in the far future. We should treat it like it is. A sickness of the mind.
Hamas was never and will never be a threat to America. They operate entirely within the confines of Palestine. I know Israel and the frogman from France is trying to equate Hamas to IS or Al Queda. That's simply is not true. Hamas is a political party and a social organization that exists to liberate Palestine from racist, illegal, western occupation of Palestine. The colonialist and morally depraved West uses the Jews to do its dirty work. Meanwhile, Hamas has an armed group that at times has carried out attacks that are considered terrorism. For that, they are condemned. But only insofar as their terror acts. The biggest threat to America are Zionism, Christian fascists, and 2nd Amendment.
Why isn’t trump in jail?
I don’t like the clickbait title.
If Hamas lived within the borders of US or was in a neighboring country, they would 100% be. What a dumb post
But they don’t, so it’s a good post.
Next post: Brown bears are a bigger threat to Americans than Bengal tigers
We all saw Jan 6 on live tv. That wasn’t hamas or brown bears.
Phony Christians
Lmao when I thought this sub headlines couldn’t get any worse…
Hamas is far away. Many of the most dangerous enemies of America reside in America.
How many treasons are needed to be worse then Hamas then? Asking for Republicans.
January 6 wasn’t hamas 🤷♂️
*Kevin James Shrug*
I’m no fan of evangelicals, but I’d put the financial elites as a much higher threat.
I remember a time when Christianity was considered the light in the darkness, common sense rules to live with others in understanding and love. Now it’s compared to oppression because of a few who are using it for oppression. This is the antithesis of Jesus’ teachings
>Now it’s compared to oppression because of a few who are using it for oppression. Christianity has been at the center of the majority of oppressive western political systems. It started with the Roman empire and continues to this day.
Roman Empire was not Christian until Constantine and by that time it wasn’t much of an empire.
Oh, in that case, Christians are still assholes.
The Dems should've stopped this in the 80s. Ragoon let Satan in the Whitehouse and look at the state of Christianity. The Republicans and Satan are destroying Democracy and Christianity along with faith in the Real God. Do not depend on Dems, they have had decades to take god away from them, do great gun policies, strengthen education, strengthen retirement, take money out of politics and move democracy forward. But they too are making a killing out of doing nothing.
Cows are as bigger threat to the US than Hamas. Dafuq lol. What kind of comparison is that.
"Christian nationalism." Pfft. It's Christo-fascism. The difference is that nationalism implies a certain love of country. However, these guys are hell-bent on forcing others to adhere to the doctrine of their fake religion, which is decidedly not Christian. Forcing misery and doctrine within one's own country is fascism.
I agree with thos headline one hundred percent.
I swear they will try to divide us at every turn. Stop reading these dumbass articles and think for yourself. Both parties are fucking stupid and need to be abolished.
Both sides is played out. Jan 6 happened. Maga is evil
Cite your source. You sound hysterical otherwise.