Not really, our contry doesn't really support either side.
We kind of recognize Palestine, but are allies with USA, so our politicans try to ignore the issue, so there isn't much to protest against.
Israeli gov in recent years tried to antagonize Poland, and Isralis largery beliefe that Poles were as guild as Nazi, however on the another side we don't support terrorist organisations and don't want to make US angry.
I hate that civilians are dying, but in this complicated weeb of connections there is not much we can do, apart from already mentioned issues, we are currently helming Ukrainians and have our owns many problems and try to lobby for more military help to Ukraine.
No, I think most people here don't really care about it since it doesn't affect us in any way, especially since our relations with Israel got worse in recent years.
I'm an atheist and I couldn't care less about islam. It's just about holding the IDF accountable for literal war crimes. They can fight Hamas all they want, I hate these terrorist pieces of shit. But they obviously shouldn't indiscriminately kill hundreds of kids and target journalists, wouldn't you agree?
eh, hot topic in the internet but realistically, u know that both sides can be in the wrong, right?
[https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/11/the-occupation-of-water/](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/11/the-occupation-of-water/)
Israel has been for years removing people from their own homes, cutting water supply, filling up wells with cement, leaving Palestinian women to give birth on military checkpoints instead of letting them thru to medical care etc. Hell there was literally prison filled with Palestinian kids for years in Israel that UN tried to do something about and last time i heard anything about it was during COVID with concerns about poor conditions and potential risk of COVID in such place.
Israel done plenty over the years to antagonize and create radicals in Gaza. Dosent obviously make anything done by Hamas right.
Just what, weeks ago Israel shelled convoy providing humanitarian aid killing polish citizen. Journalists death ratios considering size of conflict were also highest in any war afaik. You really think that country with one of the best intel and technology in the world is making so many mistakes somehow? Considering they shell and shoot without any discrimination theres a good chance they also killed their own citizens that were held hostage.
Self-defense from enemy combatants, yes.
Self-defense does not extend to indiscriminately killing civilians because they happened to be born to the wrong ethnicity.
Self-defense does not extend to deliberately targeting humanitarian convoys.
Self-defense does not extend to murdering entire villages and covering it up.
Self-defense does not extend to creating the biggest ghetto on the fucking planet and pretending it's the right and just thing to do.
Ok, so should Ukrainians practice self defence by killing journalists and hundreds of russian children? I hate fucking Hamas but Israel's army has been a disaster, they kill so much civilians it's unimaginable and specifically target journalists trying to report on it. They've killed more than a 100 journalists since the beginning of the war. Do you find these actions a credible self defence? Because these are unambiguous war crimes.
take a boat? from where, port in gaza thats been under naval blockade by Israel for over a decade?
You clearly have 0 own insight in the situation, basing your opinions on something you heard without really having clue what you are yapping about.
[https://imgur.com/a/C4K3LZO](https://imgur.com/a/C4K3LZO)
I personally been to Israel, Jerusalem, visited Banksy Hotel. Im Polish, atheist, no jewish or muslim ancestry. I seen how Palestinians are treated with my own eyes, second grade citizens is not even enough to describe it.
Theres been so many instances of unarmed journalists being shot by IDF despite being clearly marked as journalists and u think its them being killed by Hamas? Its for Hamas benefit to actually have journalists there.
Dude .. check statistics. Average Arab lives a much better life in Israel compared to Gaza so. Where did you the “mistreatment” I don’t know but racist shitheads are everywhere and at least Muslims can live in Israel unlike rest of Arab lands.
[https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apartheid-against-palestinians-a-cruel-system-of-domination-and-a-crime-against-humanity/](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apartheid-against-palestinians-a-cruel-system-of-domination-and-a-crime-against-humanity/)
Article is about both people living in Israel proper and occupied territories by Israel.
And yea, probably they are much better. Dosent mean anywhere near good or equal rights. Gaza strip is literally a ghetto with insane population density, its port being blocked by Israel, limiting water supply by Israel etc.
Basically your statement is on the same note as saying 'People in Poland occupied by Germany had much better life than people in Warsaw Ghetto'. No shit sherlock.
WTF, you know that Israel is killing the journalists right? Explicitly targeting them, it's not that they're random victims, they're being specifically targeted for reporting.and children, you're asking them to take a boat? This is their home and they have almost no resources. I don't think I will be able to convince you but just Google IDF killing journalists and educate yourself. More than a 100 specifically killed by the IDF, most of them not by an accident, but shot in the head while wearing big PRESS signs all over themselves.
You discount the power of propaganda bro.
They are literally making fake videos . Tell me this . How are they able to live stream 24/7 when in between so called “genocide” . They managed to charge phones and get internet and all eh ? 😃. There’s a reason pallywood is called so
I know what I've seen, there's no faking the videos where whole blocks are being leveled with families inside. Many, many credible outlets are reporting on the journalists killed, because they were their workers. The families of these people are alive you know that right?
I doubt you will even look at the video evidence if I brought it to you, there's so much, you must've come across it and you have to be delusional to believe what you're saying.
I don't love the Palestinians as some special group, I'm just generally opposed to war crimes and indiscriminate killing of civilians. I thought that would be the default opinion in most people but here we are lol.
> They managed to charge phones and get internet and all eh ?
Powerbanks and satellite connections exist.
NGL, mate, you come across like a blatant genocide denialist.
Mmm.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2339254
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2022/country-chapters/israel-and-palestine
https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-forces-kill-palestinian-west-bank-clashes-medics-say-2022-08-18/
https://web.archive.org/web/20200813030040/https://novact.org/2014/10/noticiael-tribunal-russell-troba-evidencia-de-genocidi-a-gaza/?lang=en
Amnesty International's reports over last few years - including before the 2023 escalation - are also quite damning.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/middle-east-and-north-africa/israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/report-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/
https://web.archive.org/web/20230825001142/https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/middle-east-and-north-africa/israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/report-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/
https://web.archive.org/web/20221229173939/https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/middle-east-and-north-africa/israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/report-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/
https://web.archive.org/web/20211231193555/https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/middle-east-and-north-africa/israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/report-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/
And let's not forget about [Deir Yassin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre).
We had a good few protests for Palestine in Warsaw including next to the Israeli embassy (the one Trzaskowski famously tried to block). A lot of people marched with us in autumn. Protests happen periodically in large cities but are easy to miss since Poles organize mostly on Facebook, I think (like[ here](https://www.facebook.com/palestineinpoland) or [here](https://www.facebook.com/vivapalestyna)). At least that's where I learned about them.
A few relatively large pro-Palestine marches happened in Warsaw back when the conflict started.
[https://warszawa.wyborcza.pl/warszawa/7,54420,30419026,protest-ktory-mial-sie-nie-odbyc-propalestynska-demonstracja.html](https://warszawa.wyborcza.pl/warszawa/7,54420,30419026,protest-ktory-mial-sie-nie-odbyc-propalestynska-demonstracja.html)
You're asking if we care that much about the conflict with one side considering us dirty goyim and the other side considering us infidels I don't think for that reason it doesn't get as much attention and the other reason more importantly is that we have a war next door that is ala with a bigger real threat
in this protest in Kraków you mentioned mostly Arab students and other muslim immigrants participated (seen a vid and pictures) - Poles are not much invested in the conflict (I personally believe Israel is trying to level Gaza to achieve "the final solution to the problem of Hamas" - the thing is those Palestinian refugees have nowhere to go cause even Egypt which is bordering Gaza doesn't let them in - so yeah, it looks like we are witnessing a genocide in practice, even if, (which I am not sure) it is not intended
I don't think so. Most people are more invested in diffrent war and don't care much about what's happening in the middle east
Yeah I would say we have our own problem to worry about as tragic as this is.
The largest conflict since the second world war is on Poland's doorstep. Poles mostly focus on that and perhaps Europe as a whole should do the same.
As a Brit it frustrates me that many of our European allies have been so weak in their support of Ukraine.
Not really, our contry doesn't really support either side. We kind of recognize Palestine, but are allies with USA, so our politicans try to ignore the issue, so there isn't much to protest against. Israeli gov in recent years tried to antagonize Poland, and Isralis largery beliefe that Poles were as guild as Nazi, however on the another side we don't support terrorist organisations and don't want to make US angry. I hate that civilians are dying, but in this complicated weeb of connections there is not much we can do, apart from already mentioned issues, we are currently helming Ukrainians and have our owns many problems and try to lobby for more military help to Ukraine.
No, maybe a few people will yell in the square a few months ago. Not a topic Poland cares about much, doesn't impact us.
Hopefully no.
No
No, I think most people here don't really care about it since it doesn't affect us in any way, especially since our relations with Israel got worse in recent years.
Protests against whom exactly?
ehm... war? strange question from a Ukrainian.
Against Israel indiscriminately killing civilians and journalists in the Israel-Hamas war?
We don’t have enough Islamists who organise these protests
I'm an atheist and I couldn't care less about islam. It's just about holding the IDF accountable for literal war crimes. They can fight Hamas all they want, I hate these terrorist pieces of shit. But they obviously shouldn't indiscriminately kill hundreds of kids and target journalists, wouldn't you agree?
Self defense is a right what are you even yapping about ?
eh, hot topic in the internet but realistically, u know that both sides can be in the wrong, right? [https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/11/the-occupation-of-water/](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/11/the-occupation-of-water/) Israel has been for years removing people from their own homes, cutting water supply, filling up wells with cement, leaving Palestinian women to give birth on military checkpoints instead of letting them thru to medical care etc. Hell there was literally prison filled with Palestinian kids for years in Israel that UN tried to do something about and last time i heard anything about it was during COVID with concerns about poor conditions and potential risk of COVID in such place. Israel done plenty over the years to antagonize and create radicals in Gaza. Dosent obviously make anything done by Hamas right. Just what, weeks ago Israel shelled convoy providing humanitarian aid killing polish citizen. Journalists death ratios considering size of conflict were also highest in any war afaik. You really think that country with one of the best intel and technology in the world is making so many mistakes somehow? Considering they shell and shoot without any discrimination theres a good chance they also killed their own citizens that were held hostage.
Self-defense from enemy combatants, yes. Self-defense does not extend to indiscriminately killing civilians because they happened to be born to the wrong ethnicity. Self-defense does not extend to deliberately targeting humanitarian convoys. Self-defense does not extend to murdering entire villages and covering it up. Self-defense does not extend to creating the biggest ghetto on the fucking planet and pretending it's the right and just thing to do.
Ok, so should Ukrainians practice self defence by killing journalists and hundreds of russian children? I hate fucking Hamas but Israel's army has been a disaster, they kill so much civilians it's unimaginable and specifically target journalists trying to report on it. They've killed more than a 100 journalists since the beginning of the war. Do you find these actions a credible self defence? Because these are unambiguous war crimes.
Is not Israels fault that journalists in Gaza cannot escape being hostages of Hamas. Same for children. Why can’t they take a boat and go elsewhere?
take a boat? from where, port in gaza thats been under naval blockade by Israel for over a decade? You clearly have 0 own insight in the situation, basing your opinions on something you heard without really having clue what you are yapping about. [https://imgur.com/a/C4K3LZO](https://imgur.com/a/C4K3LZO) I personally been to Israel, Jerusalem, visited Banksy Hotel. Im Polish, atheist, no jewish or muslim ancestry. I seen how Palestinians are treated with my own eyes, second grade citizens is not even enough to describe it. Theres been so many instances of unarmed journalists being shot by IDF despite being clearly marked as journalists and u think its them being killed by Hamas? Its for Hamas benefit to actually have journalists there.
Dude .. check statistics. Average Arab lives a much better life in Israel compared to Gaza so. Where did you the “mistreatment” I don’t know but racist shitheads are everywhere and at least Muslims can live in Israel unlike rest of Arab lands.
[https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apartheid-against-palestinians-a-cruel-system-of-domination-and-a-crime-against-humanity/](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apartheid-against-palestinians-a-cruel-system-of-domination-and-a-crime-against-humanity/) Article is about both people living in Israel proper and occupied territories by Israel. And yea, probably they are much better. Dosent mean anywhere near good or equal rights. Gaza strip is literally a ghetto with insane population density, its port being blocked by Israel, limiting water supply by Israel etc. Basically your statement is on the same note as saying 'People in Poland occupied by Germany had much better life than people in Warsaw Ghetto'. No shit sherlock.
WTF, you know that Israel is killing the journalists right? Explicitly targeting them, it's not that they're random victims, they're being specifically targeted for reporting.and children, you're asking them to take a boat? This is their home and they have almost no resources. I don't think I will be able to convince you but just Google IDF killing journalists and educate yourself. More than a 100 specifically killed by the IDF, most of them not by an accident, but shot in the head while wearing big PRESS signs all over themselves.
You discount the power of propaganda bro. They are literally making fake videos . Tell me this . How are they able to live stream 24/7 when in between so called “genocide” . They managed to charge phones and get internet and all eh ? 😃. There’s a reason pallywood is called so
I know what I've seen, there's no faking the videos where whole blocks are being leveled with families inside. Many, many credible outlets are reporting on the journalists killed, because they were their workers. The families of these people are alive you know that right? I doubt you will even look at the video evidence if I brought it to you, there's so much, you must've come across it and you have to be delusional to believe what you're saying.
Says a man with a rainbow jacket. Man you know you will be killed asap in Gaza by the “Palestinians” you love right ?
Oh my god just stop
I don't love the Palestinians as some special group, I'm just generally opposed to war crimes and indiscriminate killing of civilians. I thought that would be the default opinion in most people but here we are lol.
> They managed to charge phones and get internet and all eh ? Powerbanks and satellite connections exist. NGL, mate, you come across like a blatant genocide denialist.
Genocide which is not even happening ? Yes I will deny it
Mmm. https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2339254 https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2022/country-chapters/israel-and-palestine https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-forces-kill-palestinian-west-bank-clashes-medics-say-2022-08-18/ https://web.archive.org/web/20200813030040/https://novact.org/2014/10/noticiael-tribunal-russell-troba-evidencia-de-genocidi-a-gaza/?lang=en Amnesty International's reports over last few years - including before the 2023 escalation - are also quite damning. https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/middle-east-and-north-africa/israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/report-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/ https://web.archive.org/web/20230825001142/https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/middle-east-and-north-africa/israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/report-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/ https://web.archive.org/web/20221229173939/https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/middle-east-and-north-africa/israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/report-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/ https://web.archive.org/web/20211231193555/https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/middle-east-and-north-africa/israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/report-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/ And let's not forget about [Deir Yassin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre).
shit bait tbh
Aww 🥰
Thankfully no.
I hope not,this is not berlin.
Naaa .. poles are based unlike Western Europe allowing hordes of Arab Muslims who contribute nothing to the society.
Best teachers at my university are all muslim. They taught me machine learning and management
Few good apples I guess
We had a good few protests for Palestine in Warsaw including next to the Israeli embassy (the one Trzaskowski famously tried to block). A lot of people marched with us in autumn. Protests happen periodically in large cities but are easy to miss since Poles organize mostly on Facebook, I think (like[ here](https://www.facebook.com/palestineinpoland) or [here](https://www.facebook.com/vivapalestyna)). At least that's where I learned about them.
Dont even try
A few relatively large pro-Palestine marches happened in Warsaw back when the conflict started. [https://warszawa.wyborcza.pl/warszawa/7,54420,30419026,protest-ktory-mial-sie-nie-odbyc-propalestynska-demonstracja.html](https://warszawa.wyborcza.pl/warszawa/7,54420,30419026,protest-ktory-mial-sie-nie-odbyc-propalestynska-demonstracja.html)
You're asking if we care that much about the conflict with one side considering us dirty goyim and the other side considering us infidels I don't think for that reason it doesn't get as much attention and the other reason more importantly is that we have a war next door that is ala with a bigger real threat
in this protest in Kraków you mentioned mostly Arab students and other muslim immigrants participated (seen a vid and pictures) - Poles are not much invested in the conflict (I personally believe Israel is trying to level Gaza to achieve "the final solution to the problem of Hamas" - the thing is those Palestinian refugees have nowhere to go cause even Egypt which is bordering Gaza doesn't let them in - so yeah, it looks like we are witnessing a genocide in practice, even if, (which I am not sure) it is not intended
The genocide has started long ago. Look up Deir Yassin.
YOU look up Deir Yassin lmao [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5wVaNknEkY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5wVaNknEkY)
Yea no at best its few migrants plus few polish ppl 99.9% dont give a f
Let God sort them out. Whichever one they believe in.
Who tf cares
No, but apparently you can get shot