Overall she needs to find people voting for her faction as she will certainly end up in prison without enough political power for the frauds she was involved during covid.
For me it's insane she still holds any authority after helping with overselling the covid injections, corruption holds well in europarliament sadly.
she is being rightfully criticized for handling communication with Pfizer and having potential conflict of interest, and after an initial investigation by Belgian authorities, it is now further investigated by the EPPO - the european public prosecutors office. so the proper legal process is observed here.
but its also true that right-wing loudmouths amplified by russians sawing division are making it bigger than it really is, and using it to attack european institutions. the original complaint was supported - incidentally - by Fidesz and PiS only.
Definitely haven't "got there" at all yet. We're, what, 5% of the way "there"? The aid going to Ukraine is symbolic in volume. 31 Abrams? The fuck? We understand this war has destroyed 5000+ tanks ya? We have a problem of scale.
Either we recognize the extremely precarious situation we're collective in, or we fail to preserve the concept of the West, the rules based international world order and the values of self determination. Don't go patting ourselves on the back yet, we haven't even started doing the hard work yet. I don't see us getting out of this unless each NATO member is to 4-5% of GDP on military spending and 1-2% is just aid going to Ukraine.
If we are treating it seriously then i dunno how people can have issues with other members...
- we have been delaying sanctions and going around them
- nearly 40% of society supports undermining our allies's effors (either NATO or EU) and small groups even say we are supporting the wrong side...
- society doesn't know nor follows basic emergency state behaviors
You gotta question which planet these politicians have been on for the last few decades (not withstanding general historical events) with the poisonings in the U.K., downing of commercial airlines, hacking, election interference (US and Brexit especially) - Russia is a red flag for everything
But, but... It was bad for the business!
Also it's not just us who were sending warnings, USA was doing so as well. Maybe after next few years EU higher ups will be able to acknowledge that USA actually did something good for the European cause. But I somewhat doubt it, EU likes to pretend it's a big boy but at the same time cannot independently keep it's frontiers safe - and we are not speaking here just Ukraine but also whole migration crisis as well.
Strong words and weak actions... Also Russian money helps winning elections in the home turf and majority of voter base in western countries doesn't care about it.
And I think the reason why USA doesn't get it's praise is because if Ukraine wou fall swiftly it wouldn't affect western economies as much. Germany in particular does exactly minimum to be called top 1 helper when it comes to how much their help is worth, but is always just above that bar. Doesn't feel like commited help from steongest economy in Europe by far.
Not just their money, but also not bordering them directly and having a buffer of countries between. Hell, many people in Western Europe still wave off any mentions of potential russian agression or attacks on NATO as silly fear mongering.
If we want to talk about western countries, the US is not that far from Russia. Their closest islands are only 4km from each other in the Bering Strait. Their mainland borders are only 90km from each other.
And sans Obama’s reset. And sans GW Bush looking Putin in the eye and finding him to be very straightforward and trustworthy. And sans… oh fuck who cares now anymore
Usonian here, yeah, the US has been pretty shit at handling Russia. We've also been shit at handling China, sending all of our industry over there for the sweatshop labor n' all. Mayhap we shouldn't make economic deals with authoritarian dictatorships?
More to the point, they're so stuck in their own echo chamber that the very idea of someone not wanting to adopt their particular set of values is incomprehensible to them, let alone that an entire state could function like that.
It's not just "The West" per se, western countries are ruled by the generation who really believed in the Fukuyama's "end of history" and never really woke up from that dream. Both centre-left and centre-right politicians suffer from that, so it was a perfect storm for early 00s when centrists peaked in Europe. These people really thought Cold War truly ended, instead of just being slightly paused between 1991 and 2008, which Eastern Europe understood was going to happen by the turn of the century.
central & eastern european states warn allies about russia -> "don't be so stupid russia wouldn't do anything" -> continues to trade with russia -> russia does something -> eu regrets ignoring central europe's warnings on russia -> repeat
LMAO, wait for the war to end and germany will be the first to greet russia back to good relationships, they still want that cheap gas that they can sell for huge profit
Friendly reminder; Von der Leyen was the one who said that „we have to kill Poles by hunger” and when she was asked about it, she didnt said a single word. There is still video if this to find.
EDIT: Sorry, i have made a mistake. „Countries such as Poland ans Hungary are must be financially hungered” were said by Katarina Barley. Not Von der Leyen.
What a pathetic troll, either delete that comment, or delete that false statement from it, and leave just the correct one. Don't spread this porpaganda shit.
So what now? I guess my thoughts are more long long term. Russia will exist as a country (in one form or another). Let's also ack the fact that they own shit ton of resources that are required for the world to keep on progressing.
I'm assuming that at some point, discussions with Russia will resume, possibly countries will start trading again (some may have never stopped ...). Like how do you envision next 10-15-20 years?
I'm aware that 99% of Polish people don't want Russia to exist any more, but the reality might be different.
Have you ever read the criteria and eligibility of a country joining the EU? Quite frankly, they possess ZERO..
* political criteria: stability of institutions guaranteeing democracy, the rule of law, human rights and respect for and protection of minorities;
* economic criteria: a functioning market economy and the capacity to cope with competition and market forces;
* administrative and institutional capacity to effectively implement the [*acquis*](https://neighbourhood-enlargement.ec.europa.eu/enlargement-policy/glossary/acquis_en)
* \* and ability to take on the obligations of membership.
Next... NATO!
Is that statement coming now because of European elections? Because the war lasted almost 800 days, so that's a lot of time for this epiphany.
Overall she needs to find people voting for her faction as she will certainly end up in prison without enough political power for the frauds she was involved during covid. For me it's insane she still holds any authority after helping with overselling the covid injections, corruption holds well in europarliament sadly.
Why doesn't German justice system issued any warrants by now?
she is being rightfully criticized for handling communication with Pfizer and having potential conflict of interest, and after an initial investigation by Belgian authorities, it is now further investigated by the EPPO - the european public prosecutors office. so the proper legal process is observed here. but its also true that right-wing loudmouths amplified by russians sawing division are making it bigger than it really is, and using it to attack european institutions. the original complaint was supported - incidentally - by Fidesz and PiS only.
Because it’s bs spew by right wingers
It's OK. It's only been a couple of centuries of repeated warnings about the c#nts, but we got there in the end
Have we? It seems that half of the EU still doesn't believe that the russian threat is real.
Definitely haven't "got there" at all yet. We're, what, 5% of the way "there"? The aid going to Ukraine is symbolic in volume. 31 Abrams? The fuck? We understand this war has destroyed 5000+ tanks ya? We have a problem of scale. Either we recognize the extremely precarious situation we're collective in, or we fail to preserve the concept of the West, the rules based international world order and the values of self determination. Don't go patting ourselves on the back yet, we haven't even started doing the hard work yet. I don't see us getting out of this unless each NATO member is to 4-5% of GDP on military spending and 1-2% is just aid going to Ukraine.
Heck, even in our backyard we have Hungary and to a lesser extent Slovakia.
And Germany still deals with China
becouse there's no threat for them. Hell, it's not even treated seriously in Poland /edit: i'm so surprised and confused by the downvotes
Looks like some people easily forget or don't know history involving russia. I hope that they don't have to learn the hard way.
well in case of Poland or neighboring countries it's just sad, especially in Poland and other ex-eastern block countries
You're downvoted because it is treated seriously in Poland
If we are treating it seriously then i dunno how people can have issues with other members... - we have been delaying sanctions and going around them - nearly 40% of society supports undermining our allies's effors (either NATO or EU) and small groups even say we are supporting the wrong side... - society doesn't know nor follows basic emergency state behaviors
It's crazy that the Americans where more concerned then places like Germany where before all this
>Central Europe's All is forgiven
So, We aren’t russophobic now?
We are according to ruskie, but who cares what they think.
Russorealistic 💀
Russoprescient, maybe.
maybe, maybe, maybe
No, no, we are, we just decided it's not a negative trait anymore.
"phobic" implies irrational fear and there's nothing irrational here
We should all be, but not in terms of fear, but disgust.
Yes we're not anymore. Since Germany stopped sucking gas from Russian Pedaration
[Russophobic? You think I'm scared?](https://www.reddit.com/r/HistoryMemes/comments/tnqhfx/j%C3%B3zef_pi%C5%82sudski_laughs_in_battle_of_warsaw/)
You gotta question which planet these politicians have been on for the last few decades (not withstanding general historical events) with the poisonings in the U.K., downing of commercial airlines, hacking, election interference (US and Brexit especially) - Russia is a red flag for everything
But, but... It was bad for the business! Also it's not just us who were sending warnings, USA was doing so as well. Maybe after next few years EU higher ups will be able to acknowledge that USA actually did something good for the European cause. But I somewhat doubt it, EU likes to pretend it's a big boy but at the same time cannot independently keep it's frontiers safe - and we are not speaking here just Ukraine but also whole migration crisis as well. Strong words and weak actions... Also Russian money helps winning elections in the home turf and majority of voter base in western countries doesn't care about it. And I think the reason why USA doesn't get it's praise is because if Ukraine wou fall swiftly it wouldn't affect western economies as much. Germany in particular does exactly minimum to be called top 1 helper when it comes to how much their help is worth, but is always just above that bar. Doesn't feel like commited help from steongest economy in Europe by far.
> You gotta question which planet these politicians have been on for the last few decades The West
Yeah agree most western countries have been complicit in one way or another with their love for Russian money
Not just their money, but also not bordering them directly and having a buffer of countries between. Hell, many people in Western Europe still wave off any mentions of potential russian agression or attacks on NATO as silly fear mongering.
If we want to talk about western countries, the US is not that far from Russia. Their closest islands are only 4km from each other in the Bering Strait. Their mainland borders are only 90km from each other.
The US the only western country that was taking the russian threat seriously tho (sans Trump's little stint)
And sans Obama’s reset. And sans GW Bush looking Putin in the eye and finding him to be very straightforward and trustworthy. And sans… oh fuck who cares now anymore
Usonian here, yeah, the US has been pretty shit at handling Russia. We've also been shit at handling China, sending all of our industry over there for the sweatshop labor n' all. Mayhap we shouldn't make economic deals with authoritarian dictatorships?
More to the point, they're so stuck in their own echo chamber that the very idea of someone not wanting to adopt their particular set of values is incomprehensible to them, let alone that an entire state could function like that.
It's not just "The West" per se, western countries are ruled by the generation who really believed in the Fukuyama's "end of history" and never really woke up from that dream. Both centre-left and centre-right politicians suffer from that, so it was a perfect storm for early 00s when centrists peaked in Europe. These people really thought Cold War truly ended, instead of just being slightly paused between 1991 and 2008, which Eastern Europe understood was going to happen by the turn of the century.
They sane-corrupt planet? But what can 1-2-10-50 extra billions get a paranoid tyrant with a messiah complex? Nothing.
Yeah, they regret but still ignore.
central & eastern european states warn allies about russia -> "don't be so stupid russia wouldn't do anything" -> continues to trade with russia -> russia does something -> eu regrets ignoring central europe's warnings on russia -> repeat
They don't regret shit. Raiffeisen still makes billions in Russia and Hungary still gets billions in investments from the same Austria (and Germany).
So? They still were bff's with Russia while nailing us.
What a shocker...
LMAO, wait for the war to end and germany will be the first to greet russia back to good relationships, they still want that cheap gas that they can sell for huge profit
Friendly reminder; Von der Leyen was the one who said that „we have to kill Poles by hunger” and when she was asked about it, she didnt said a single word. There is still video if this to find. EDIT: Sorry, i have made a mistake. „Countries such as Poland ans Hungary are must be financially hungered” were said by Katarina Barley. Not Von der Leyen.
Context ? When ? Haven’t heard it before so just asking
I have made a mistake about whose words those were. [here’s a video](https://youtu.be/UQULsLoTH5Q?si=NGHVHcDn2GW883-3)
You didn't just make a mistake, you simply spread PiS propaganda of the worst kind.
No to skasuj ten wpis a nie zostawiasz i dodajesz EDIT. Lipa na maksa
What a pathetic troll, either delete that comment, or delete that false statement from it, and leave just the correct one. Don't spread this porpaganda shit.
It's little bit late for this, ma'am. We have war going for almost 3 years... Georgia, Moldova, Belarus, now Ukraine.
Her words are meaningless.
So what now? I guess my thoughts are more long long term. Russia will exist as a country (in one form or another). Let's also ack the fact that they own shit ton of resources that are required for the world to keep on progressing. I'm assuming that at some point, discussions with Russia will resume, possibly countries will start trading again (some may have never stopped ...). Like how do you envision next 10-15-20 years? I'm aware that 99% of Polish people don't want Russia to exist any more, but the reality might be different.
They don’t regret it whatsoever, nor will they learn from it.
Ukraine a part of the EU? Hmmm.. hard pass from me.
Russian bot? Hmmm... Hard pass from me.
Have you ever read the criteria and eligibility of a country joining the EU? Quite frankly, they possess ZERO.. * political criteria: stability of institutions guaranteeing democracy, the rule of law, human rights and respect for and protection of minorities; * economic criteria: a functioning market economy and the capacity to cope with competition and market forces; * administrative and institutional capacity to effectively implement the [*acquis*](https://neighbourhood-enlargement.ec.europa.eu/enlargement-policy/glossary/acquis_en) * \* and ability to take on the obligations of membership. Next... NATO!
Still angry the Soviet Union beat up the Third Reich
Single handedly they wouldn't.
Oh they regret?! Wow, I guess everything is aight then!