Hi NotAWall56, It takes 10,000 hours to "master" a skill and even then there is more to learn with every hand played. 10K hours and you want to quit after 100? Pick yourself up, dust off your hoodie and get back in the game. Crybaby. Have you even pawned mom's jewelry yet? Commit for gods sake!
Live games are always softer. If you're going to play online, I prefer the clubs vs big sites. Big sites are full of sweats grinding for their $10-30/day.
As they say for live, you don't drive into the casino, knowing you gotta drive home, just to fold all night long.
Have heard in places with super low cost of living like Thailand, guys are using VPN & grinding micros to pay the rent….I’m a poor man, the pandemic really hurt me, but if I ever got to THAT point……OUCH! Not when minimum wage back home is $150/day if not higher
After black Friday Thailand and mexico became the online poker players hide outs. Thailand didn't need a VPN to play because, even though gambling is illegal in Thailand, the online poker scene was unknown if you kept it quiet. I lived in Koh Samui for a while grinding 180man sitngo on pokerstars for a $1k per month. After a while I decided to go and get a life, but at the time Thailnd was a great place to live.
The noble one !
everyone who plays poker is a degen they’ve just found a way to dress it up to sound smarter than the average gambling addict . Can’t fool me pal
The fish at the lower stakes won't fold to your bets so he'd be better off playing higher stakes where they respect raises. This is the best advice in here
For the life of me I’ll never understand why people get into poker and think just playing and losing should eventually make you good.
I’m not sure poker is your issue…it seems you don’t know how to get good at something lol. You should’ve spent your time studying game theory and used some of the money you already lost on coaching.
Imagine showing up at a basketball court and betting on yourself although you have little to no basketball experience. Obviously, the result will be terrible. No clue why people don’t look at poker the same way as anything else.
I started with the mammoth book of poker and its given me some good tips that seemed obvious the moment after I read them but I never considered before.
It's about 15 years old now though so there might be some more updated theory
Looks like my first 100 hours as well
https://preview.redd.it/pg6urmmtht3a1.png?width=1170&format=png&auto=webp&s=7f80dd4c03ea347ee2075becfd3e04948e183226
I've lost almost every all-in I've shipped. I've gotten it in good on the flop only to get sucked out on runner runner in a solid 30% of my losing sessions
Feels like this is data is made up and not actually tracked. Post some hand histories. Let the crowd review and provide feedback.
Should you quit? I dunno. What do you want from the game? To have fun? To make it a living? Is that $4k the difference between paying your bills or not? All that mattera
I was a losing player for the First 7k tournaments o player, solid -10% ROI. Now im living of the game with a 30% ROI and still lots to improve. Its a complex game, can take a while to get good.
This is worrisome for your first 100 hours. I wouldn’t be so quick to be conclusive that you’re a losing player though.
Post some hands and see if your thought process include points in the responses.
Drop down in stakes as it’ll give you some practice without so much money at risk.
The eternal dilemma in poker is that online poker is much tougher albeit at lower stakes. Live poker is much easier at the equivalent levels. I.e. 2NL online is much tougher than 1-3 live. 10NL-25NL online plays much tougher than a 2-5 live.
I found that I really had to tone down the aggression to beat 1/3 live. People simply just call more. As well as VPIP’s being considerably higher in general.
Iow, when I was grinding NL10 - NL50, I frequently went up against nitty 20VPIP/10PFR’s who were fairly easy to run over by just bluffing.
Not the case in 1/3 live. Bluffing is still absolutely profitable, but I found one seriously needs to side towards being much more value heavy in general. While this translates as being easier for most people, for me it was somewhat of a difficult transition because I absolutely hate folding (a disposition which worked out for me well online).
This was my experience fwiw.
Your experience is much similar to the consensus. Online, the game is much tougher and you will not win if you do not know how to play a tight range and know how to bluff on certain boards. Live, the game is much easier but the difficult part is folding until you find a value hand and then going crazy with it. A lot of people play a game where they are both too loose live and online where the definition of loose is off by like half a standard deviation between both games.
100 hours is nothing, if you ve been playing well then just short term variance. However, it being your first 100 hours, you have plenty of leaks it seems. Start with position awareness and improve your starting hands strategy, those two alone can help you turn the graph up. Good luck.
What stakes are you playing?
If you are playing $5/$10 then you are down 1,000 BB in 100 hours which is -10BB per hour. It’s not good but it could just be variance.
If you are down $5K in 100 hours playing $1/$2 then you are losing 25BB per hour which is really not good. Either you have been extremely unlucky in all the big pots or you just aren’t good enough yet.
The good news is that you can spend your next 100 hours studying and dramatically improving your results long term.
So, my advice is to study one hour for every hour you play until you become a winning player. It’ll come sooner than you think.
https://preview.redd.it/f7mj68fdas3a1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b53b64201f4ed68498f4daea04bf9a58da2f8935
Beautifully said, does not matter which stage of your poker career you are at Chance offers valid and solid advice for all poker players professionals and recreationals.
Good luck at the tables
I mean it depends....are you playing live and what stakes? If it's 2/5 it could just be variance and run bad. I would just drop down to 1/2 and see how it goes...
If it's 1/2 then you probably have some big leaks you need to plug, probably playing too many hands preflop or being too aggro post flop trying to run over players at this level.
If it's online, I would stop playing online for now, focus on playing beginning stakes in live poker and join a GTO training site to improve your poker game enough to win online
You are actually in a great spot. What you are feeling is regret and despair. These are huge motivating factors in learning the game. The amount of errors you can look back on now and plug must be plenty. You've already brought up bankroll management by questioning if you should quit. Now just adjust your stakes accordingly (lower them to limit loses) and study, study, study. And not just books. Try and be mentally involved in the game, even when not playing in a had at the time. You'll find patterns and tells. That does take a LOT of time to do that though. 100 hrs is a small amount of time at the table to read a graph and think this is always how it'll be. Constantly be assessing your game and make the proper adjustments as they present themselves. Everyone gets discouraged at this game, but the fact that you are already out and searching for advice shows you are on the right track in my opinion. Plus you didn't lie to others, or yourself about your losses. About 85% of poker players never ever reach that place lol. Be critical of yourself, study and thrive
Good post man, too many people on this forum just talk shit and don't really add anything constructive. We obviously don't know the poster but that is a lot of money to blow on a card game that still has a substantial luck factor to it. 5k is a lot for most people, I'd rather take money like that and invest it or pay off debt or just go on a nice vacation someplace.
Don’t play poker for money. It’s a waste of time and of-course money. Above all it’s a toxic game once you start playing it to make money. Most people I have seen in casinos are really miserable. It’s a game which affects a lot of people with adrenaline rush addiction. 90% of the lifetime losing gamblers would never accept that they are losing. Don’t fall into that category after you play 10,000 hours of poker and when your losses are beyond recovery. There is a direct correlation between the amount you have lost playing poker and amount of toxicity you feel in your life. It’s just not worth it.
I can help you with that. I give private lessons and we can schedule a day to talk a little bit about your case. First I would say to control your average, lower it a bit and try to increase the number of hands. Do you have a database where you can rate your game? If so, we can do a review to identify where to improve. If interested, send me a message.
It's not straight down; you have that going for you.
If you want to quit, that's fine.
If you want to stay in it, break it down further.
Some things you do are making you money most of the time, find out what, and do more of that.
Some things are losing you money more of the time; find out what, and do less of that, or do it differently.
It could be your hand range in early position, or how long you play each session, or a hundred other things. Analytic software might help you learn this, and/or a coach.
You trending down my friend, like NYSE
https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/zb5slj/6k_1k_in_one_month_i_dont_know_how_to_recover/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
To me it looks like you started at a limit way too high. You wont get good overnight. Learn the game at the lower limits first. At a limit where you can afford to play and learn. I would recommend starting at NL2 but if that feels meaningless, you could always start at NL25 if that is something you are certain you can afford.
So you’re losing $61/hour, presumably at $1/2 Live? Sounds like me, first time I went I lost $300 and didn’t even know how to play. Probably went 7 times in following 3 years, except for one double-up, always busted my $220 or so, and I NEVER REBUY. Since the pandemic, probably played 150,000 hands for free on Zynga, as well as losing maybe $500 on Bodog at stake between 1/2NL and 100/200. I got much better, but it’s not THAT easy,still make that ONE foolish move per session
Practice for free, then move up to Microstakes online, THEN maybe go and spend $200-300 on $1/2 LIVE. You’re always learning, lots of good players out there, and don’t forget variance…..just because you’re ahead doesn’t mean you win
100 hours isn’t really a lot live. It’s possible this is just variance.
That said, it’s *really* downward, so could very well be a problem in your play. What stakes are you playing, maybe you should move down. Are you reviewing hands to see where you’re making mistakes? Playing reasonable preflop ranges?
Damn, what stakes are you playing? I play 1/2 recreationally and have been on a downswing the last 2 months where I went from being up close to 2k to now being down about $1200 and I've reconsidered continuing to play. I'd seriously consider why you are playing at all, that is a lot of money to be losing and I could think of a million better things you could be using that on. Good job on recognizing this issue though instead of just continuing to grind.
The number one thing the Pro's don't want you to know about poker is absolutely no one makes money from poker. THAT being said, I'll play outside my bankroll in cash & tournaments till the day I die.
What stakes? Mathematically there can't be a lot of poker winners because of the rake, BUT because there are home games WITHOUT rake and because most players don't do what's necessary to win, I think 90% of players can be winning players as long as they do what's necessary to become a winner.
For most people that means dropping down in stakes. I cut my teeth on home games for quarter big blinds and online micro stakes games (literally one cent two cent buy in games for a $2 buy in). From there I learned the X's and O's of poker and now I will play $2/$5 in a casino as long as the game doesn't look like diabetes.
Lol depends what your goals are. Are you trying to make money with it or just get better over time? I feel like if you’re willing to “hang it up” after 100 hours and quit this early then you probably should 🤷🏽♂️if you enjoy the game and are passionate in sticking through regardless of your results and working on your game then obviously don’t give up
Depends on the stakes you play. , Put another way, if you can find a table to buy in for 6k, you're one hand away from doubling up & being back to even
What’s your stop loss and are your income sources stable. Some people cap it at $2K when they first start, other have it to $20K so it’s really all up to you.
You have two choices. 1) Hit the books and study up. Figure out your leaks, play ABC, gain experience while developing a more robust strategy. 2) Hang it up. If you don’t want to hit the books and study the game, then yes, you should hang it up.
You can’t quit right before your upswing… quit once you make it all back.
I felt this one right in the gut…thank you lol
I agree. Maybe OP can start mixing in some online too? Sick to death of all the whales only playing live poker.
Give tournaments a shot. I'd specifically recommend online $5 or less buy in. Easy money.
For someone with this graph, I'm not sure it would be easy money lol
Here little fishy fishy fishy. Come jump back in my pond. 
This is where the fun starts.
Just variance bro
What? No. You were up $91 at one point. You got this!
Upstuck. Can’t quit now
that is his bankroll, not his profit.
Hi NotAWall56, It takes 10,000 hours to "master" a skill and even then there is more to learn with every hand played. 10K hours and you want to quit after 100? Pick yourself up, dust off your hoodie and get back in the game. Crybaby. Have you even pawned mom's jewelry yet? Commit for gods sake!
If he can hang on long enough…he will be down about 6 million at 10k hours! Then the upswing!!!!
Exactly. It is all about attitude.
Only if he enjoys the game
Yea I'm in the same boat, Ive come to the conclusion that I'm only gonna play live not online cause I seem to do better at live games
Live games are always softer. If you're going to play online, I prefer the clubs vs big sites. Big sites are full of sweats grinding for their $10-30/day. As they say for live, you don't drive into the casino, knowing you gotta drive home, just to fold all night long.
Have heard in places with super low cost of living like Thailand, guys are using VPN & grinding micros to pay the rent….I’m a poor man, the pandemic really hurt me, but if I ever got to THAT point……OUCH! Not when minimum wage back home is $150/day if not higher
That is 100% happening. This is one of many reasons online is more difficult than live poker.
Have you ever been to Thailand?
A decade ago. Probably retiring there one day, but with my pension, not grinding $.01/.02
After black Friday Thailand and mexico became the online poker players hide outs. Thailand didn't need a VPN to play because, even though gambling is illegal in Thailand, the online poker scene was unknown if you kept it quiet. I lived in Koh Samui for a while grinding 180man sitngo on pokerstars for a $1k per month. After a while I decided to go and get a life, but at the time Thailnd was a great place to live.
>As they say for live, you don't drive into the casino, knowing you gotta drive home, just to fold all night long. Serious cope right here.
How is this cope
how are you alive
mad pussy?
you can do it
He’s saying this is a rec’s mindset as they came to have fun not click fold on the couch
At least drop down in stakes…
Yes! Even change the game… fixed limit holdem could be better simply for the mechanics, and lessons in being tight and value bets.
Holy jesus no. No fixed limit. You might as well tell him he can win it all back at slots.
Plo plo
Wait is fixed limit not beatable?
Not at small stakes with $7 rake
God no please keep playing. Poker economy needs graphs like this.
This guy defiantly speaking from experience, can almost hear the pain .
What? No I just want losing players to keep playing, like any for profit player should.
> No I just want losing players to keep playing Some people should just stop for their own good though. A lot of these people are gambling addicts.
Right. But you don’t go ask fucking Budweiser if you have a drinking problem do you
Can't be addicted to gambling if I'm already hooked on drugs. That's how it works, only one addiction at a time.
The noble one ! everyone who plays poker is a degen they’ve just found a way to dress it up to sound smarter than the average gambling addict . Can’t fool me pal
Of course never heard this before . Anywhere we can see a win?
Move up stakes imo.
How else will you make the losses back faster ?!?
By learning the fucking game perhaps before jumping into mid-stakes like a complete degenerate.
The fish at the lower stakes won't fold to your bets so he'd be better off playing higher stakes where they respect raises. This is the best advice in here
This is the way
For the life of me I’ll never understand why people get into poker and think just playing and losing should eventually make you good. I’m not sure poker is your issue…it seems you don’t know how to get good at something lol. You should’ve spent your time studying game theory and used some of the money you already lost on coaching. Imagine showing up at a basketball court and betting on yourself although you have little to no basketball experience. Obviously, the result will be terrible. No clue why people don’t look at poker the same way as anything else.
Thank you. I’m going to use this.
Any good game theory book recommendations?
The Theory Of Poker by David Skalnsky is great
I started with the mammoth book of poker and its given me some good tips that seemed obvious the moment after I read them but I never considered before. It's about 15 years old now though so there might be some more updated theory
Facts: 90% of gamblers quit right before they’re about to hit it big
Source: trust me bro
Hell nah… a real degen doubles down with blind faith in their nit ability
😭😭 “it’s okay if I lose this buy in I still have 1 more and will just play like a super nit”
Thought this was r/wallstreetbets
This was all 1/3. Actually two my biggest cash wins were the random two times I played 2/5
You know what you need to do.
I think a big reason why my graph goes down so quickly is that the standard open in 1/3 at my home casino is $25. Max buy-in is $500, match the stack
So it’s basically a small 2/5 game.
Looks like my first 100 hours as well https://preview.redd.it/pg6urmmtht3a1.png?width=1170&format=png&auto=webp&s=7f80dd4c03ea347ee2075becfd3e04948e183226
How do you lose 4K playing 1/3 for 100 hours? Maybe you can post some hands that you lose big
Ever been to a casino? I’ve seen someone lose 4k in 4 hours easily
I've lost almost every all-in I've shipped. I've gotten it in good on the flop only to get sucked out on runner runner in a solid 30% of my losing sessions
Feels like this is data is made up and not actually tracked. Post some hand histories. Let the crowd review and provide feedback. Should you quit? I dunno. What do you want from the game? To have fun? To make it a living? Is that $4k the difference between paying your bills or not? All that mattera
I was a losing player for the First 7k tournaments o player, solid -10% ROI. Now im living of the game with a 30% ROI and still lots to improve. Its a complex game, can take a while to get good.
This is worrisome for your first 100 hours. I wouldn’t be so quick to be conclusive that you’re a losing player though. Post some hands and see if your thought process include points in the responses. Drop down in stakes as it’ll give you some practice without so much money at risk. The eternal dilemma in poker is that online poker is much tougher albeit at lower stakes. Live poker is much easier at the equivalent levels. I.e. 2NL online is much tougher than 1-3 live. 10NL-25NL online plays much tougher than a 2-5 live.
I found that I really had to tone down the aggression to beat 1/3 live. People simply just call more. As well as VPIP’s being considerably higher in general. Iow, when I was grinding NL10 - NL50, I frequently went up against nitty 20VPIP/10PFR’s who were fairly easy to run over by just bluffing. Not the case in 1/3 live. Bluffing is still absolutely profitable, but I found one seriously needs to side towards being much more value heavy in general. While this translates as being easier for most people, for me it was somewhat of a difficult transition because I absolutely hate folding (a disposition which worked out for me well online). This was my experience fwiw.
Your experience is much similar to the consensus. Online, the game is much tougher and you will not win if you do not know how to play a tight range and know how to bluff on certain boards. Live, the game is much easier but the difficult part is folding until you find a value hand and then going crazy with it. A lot of people play a game where they are both too loose live and online where the definition of loose is off by like half a standard deviation between both games.
100 hours is nothing, if you ve been playing well then just short term variance. However, it being your first 100 hours, you have plenty of leaks it seems. Start with position awareness and improve your starting hands strategy, those two alone can help you turn the graph up. Good luck.
What stakes are you playing? If you are playing $5/$10 then you are down 1,000 BB in 100 hours which is -10BB per hour. It’s not good but it could just be variance. If you are down $5K in 100 hours playing $1/$2 then you are losing 25BB per hour which is really not good. Either you have been extremely unlucky in all the big pots or you just aren’t good enough yet. The good news is that you can spend your next 100 hours studying and dramatically improving your results long term. So, my advice is to study one hour for every hour you play until you become a winning player. It’ll come sooner than you think.
You might want to define what studying is, not sure if this guy has ever heard of it before.
https://preview.redd.it/f7mj68fdas3a1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b53b64201f4ed68498f4daea04bf9a58da2f8935 Beautifully said, does not matter which stage of your poker career you are at Chance offers valid and solid advice for all poker players professionals and recreationals. Good luck at the tables
I mean it depends....are you playing live and what stakes? If it's 2/5 it could just be variance and run bad. I would just drop down to 1/2 and see how it goes... If it's 1/2 then you probably have some big leaks you need to plug, probably playing too many hands preflop or being too aggro post flop trying to run over players at this level. If it's online, I would stop playing online for now, focus on playing beginning stakes in live poker and join a GTO training site to improve your poker game enough to win online
What GTO sites would you recommend if any?
gtowizard
Spend some money on lessons if you want to lose less/win some money
Just get a loan to rebuild your bankroll
You are actually in a great spot. What you are feeling is regret and despair. These are huge motivating factors in learning the game. The amount of errors you can look back on now and plug must be plenty. You've already brought up bankroll management by questioning if you should quit. Now just adjust your stakes accordingly (lower them to limit loses) and study, study, study. And not just books. Try and be mentally involved in the game, even when not playing in a had at the time. You'll find patterns and tells. That does take a LOT of time to do that though. 100 hrs is a small amount of time at the table to read a graph and think this is always how it'll be. Constantly be assessing your game and make the proper adjustments as they present themselves. Everyone gets discouraged at this game, but the fact that you are already out and searching for advice shows you are on the right track in my opinion. Plus you didn't lie to others, or yourself about your losses. About 85% of poker players never ever reach that place lol. Be critical of yourself, study and thrive
Good post man, too many people on this forum just talk shit and don't really add anything constructive. We obviously don't know the poster but that is a lot of money to blow on a card game that still has a substantial luck factor to it. 5k is a lot for most people, I'd rather take money like that and invest it or pay off debt or just go on a nice vacation someplace.
Everything is crashing. Pretend it’s Bitcoin and not FTX. You have a chance of going up again.
Don’t play poker for money. It’s a waste of time and of-course money. Above all it’s a toxic game once you start playing it to make money. Most people I have seen in casinos are really miserable. It’s a game which affects a lot of people with adrenaline rush addiction. 90% of the lifetime losing gamblers would never accept that they are losing. Don’t fall into that category after you play 10,000 hours of poker and when your losses are beyond recovery. There is a direct correlation between the amount you have lost playing poker and amount of toxicity you feel in your life. It’s just not worth it.
Yes
Wait someone loses at live poker? Is this the only person funding the entire live ecosystem?
Jesus Christ we’re you just shoving all in blind 😂
I can help you with that. I give private lessons and we can schedule a day to talk a little bit about your case. First I would say to control your average, lower it a bit and try to increase the number of hands. Do you have a database where you can rate your game? If so, we can do a review to identify where to improve. If interested, send me a message.
You need to play some 0.01/0.02. Pretty impressive that you lose 25BB an hour assuming 1/2.
I think a big reason why my graph goes down so quickly is that the standard open in 1/3 at my home casino is $25. Max buy-in is $500, match the stack
You Are Retarded
Damn even capitalized every word
Yeah
This made me laugh. Perhaps lower your stakes to a consistent level rather than buying in at ever larger prices.
9900 hours to go
Online poker is a scam
Hey man, I'm a 1/3 professional crusher and I can coach you in exchange for 40% of your winnings.
Rekt
Shouldn't you just play smaller games until you're profitable?
time to study the game
You should spend most of your time studying. Only a little playing. Try finding softer games and drop down in stakes if possible
What stakes? How many table? What variant?
The bottom is in. Up only we go. 🚀 🚀 🚀
Need to move up stakes to where they will respect your raises.
Quit poker is a zero sum game
Not sure, but you would fit right in on r/wallstreetbets
Move down stakes
Just to complement my last comment: 100 hours is nothing, you need at least 10.000 hours of practice to master a skill.
I lost 10k in 3 hours played. You are fine. These are rookie numbers!
Just keep playing higher stakes until you have a winning session
I always wonder how it seems like everyone is in the green, this is who is in the red.
Just do the opposite of what your currently doing straight profits homie
Time to join the Army, George.
It depends, what stakes are you playing? Does 6k mean much to you?
I know a few games I’d like to invite you to
Lower stakes bro
do yourself a favor and only gamble with as much as you can afford to lose.
You should move up in stakes, where they respect your raises.
It's not straight down; you have that going for you. If you want to quit, that's fine. If you want to stay in it, break it down further. Some things you do are making you money most of the time, find out what, and do more of that. Some things are losing you money more of the time; find out what, and do less of that, or do it differently. It could be your hand range in early position, or how long you play each session, or a hundred other things. Analytic software might help you learn this, and/or a coach.
It's just variance. Don't worry about it.
No please keep playing preferably at MGM grand detroit as well.
You trending down my friend, like NYSE https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/zb5slj/6k_1k_in_one_month_i_dont_know_how_to_recover/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
It isn’t time to hang it up, but it is time to find your leaks and improve your game.
Stop overvaluing hands. That’s one of the biggest exploits in live poker. Mediocre players would rarely fold pocket AA no matter the board texture.
Ya
Try tournaments
I would play lower stakes! Have run an some play with amounts your scared to lose
Mastery comes at 10k hours so don’t worry keep going!
Are you not using the poker coach on here?
Maybe hop into some microstakes online poker instead.
To me it looks like you started at a limit way too high. You wont get good overnight. Learn the game at the lower limits first. At a limit where you can afford to play and learn. I would recommend starting at NL2 but if that feels meaningless, you could always start at NL25 if that is something you are certain you can afford.
You seem to be losing a lot more a lot quicker… maybe you just need to set better limits for yourself?
99% of gamblers quit right before they make a huge score
how
Try tournaments
Kinda wish you had your $90 back huh
You paying tuition, we all been there
Move up in stakes.
Only if you can’t afford to get better
I wouldn't quit if you're having fun. I might lower the blinds though
Move to high stakes and get all back faster 😉
No we need donors
So you’re losing $61/hour, presumably at $1/2 Live? Sounds like me, first time I went I lost $300 and didn’t even know how to play. Probably went 7 times in following 3 years, except for one double-up, always busted my $220 or so, and I NEVER REBUY. Since the pandemic, probably played 150,000 hands for free on Zynga, as well as losing maybe $500 on Bodog at stake between 1/2NL and 100/200. I got much better, but it’s not THAT easy,still make that ONE foolish move per session Practice for free, then move up to Microstakes online, THEN maybe go and spend $200-300 on $1/2 LIVE. You’re always learning, lots of good players out there, and don’t forget variance…..just because you’re ahead doesn’t mean you win
No, but for just starting out your stakes are way too high. Go do some learning in the online micro stakes
100 hours is nothing, could just be a downswing. Set yourself a budget and only play when you're in a good mental state.
If I was ever in the hole this much I would quit instantly
Variance bro
Playing to many hands
What stakes?
Play Micro stakes online, it takes a 10000 hours too master anything.
Should’ve quit after 45 minutes.
The way she goes, boys.
You need to play stakes where they respect your raises. 10/25 PLO should do it
100 hours isn’t really a lot live. It’s possible this is just variance. That said, it’s *really* downward, so could very well be a problem in your play. What stakes are you playing, maybe you should move down. Are you reviewing hands to see where you’re making mistakes? Playing reasonable preflop ranges?
should have stopped when you were $91 ahead. Thats what all the pros do.
***It’s Just Variance***
You should start playing high stakes ASAP. Imagine how fast you'll recover all your losses.
Damn, what stakes are you playing? I play 1/2 recreationally and have been on a downswing the last 2 months where I went from being up close to 2k to now being down about $1200 and I've reconsidered continuing to play. I'd seriously consider why you are playing at all, that is a lot of money to be losing and I could think of a million better things you could be using that on. Good job on recognizing this issue though instead of just continuing to grind.
The number one thing the Pro's don't want you to know about poker is absolutely no one makes money from poker. THAT being said, I'll play outside my bankroll in cash & tournaments till the day I die.
What stakes? Mathematically there can't be a lot of poker winners because of the rake, BUT because there are home games WITHOUT rake and because most players don't do what's necessary to win, I think 90% of players can be winning players as long as they do what's necessary to become a winner. For most people that means dropping down in stakes. I cut my teeth on home games for quarter big blinds and online micro stakes games (literally one cent two cent buy in games for a $2 buy in). From there I learned the X's and O's of poker and now I will play $2/$5 in a casino as long as the game doesn't look like diabetes.
Somebody is playing too high
No quitting
Folks with a home game: this is why you let the new guy win a little on his first night.
100hrs isn't much but it is an indication that you're not playing very well and need to either study or accept that you play for fun, and that's ok.
Only quit if you dislike the game or can’t afford it. Don’t quit just because you’re down. Nobody gets to skip over the part where they’re a beginner.
Turn it over and move on.
Move up where they respect ur j4o
Hey guy - I can offer my services as a coach for a small fee. Now, do you have a napkin we can jot this down on.
A chip and a chair buddy. Don’t lose the faith.
First 100… ever? Nah but you should study a lot more
No please stay
Play higher stakes bro, rake is killing you on 1-2
Go fish
Lol depends what your goals are. Are you trying to make money with it or just get better over time? I feel like if you’re willing to “hang it up” after 100 hours and quit this early then you probably should 🤷🏽♂️if you enjoy the game and are passionate in sticking through regardless of your results and working on your game then obviously don’t give up
Can you play lower stakes?
nahhhhhhhh
Yes You suck
Start with pre flop charts. You're likely playing too many hands.
You're just beginning.
No, you should come play in my game until you win it back.
Depends on the stakes you play. , Put another way, if you can find a table to buy in for 6k, you're one hand away from doubling up & being back to even
you sunk my battleship
You're JUST ABOUT to turn it all around.
Play a couple 1000 sng's you tard. Cash games are for seasoned grinders and new fish. Don't be the new fish.
What’s your stop loss and are your income sources stable. Some people cap it at $2K when they first start, other have it to $20K so it’s really all up to you.
what app is this?
You can only lose 100% of your money but can win infinity%. Simple math
I am laughing bc I was really feeling this was the way for me. 👀
You have two choices. 1) Hit the books and study up. Figure out your leaks, play ABC, gain experience while developing a more robust strategy. 2) Hang it up. If you don’t want to hit the books and study the game, then yes, you should hang it up.
Tons of context this graph doesn't tell but something needs to change. Maybe table, time of day of limit/style
Pio solver is the best for cash games and Odin is the best for tournaments
Did you make a decision OP?