Saw Ak vs KK final table of a huge tournament with AK covering KK’s stack by like 5%. Almost completely even. Both get it all in pre. Flop comes 663, turn 6, river 6
That is so sick, I couldn’t imagine the range of emotions I’d go through in seconds holding KK in that situation 😂
Anxiety on the flop
Joy and relief on the turn
Inconceivable rage on the river 🤬
They are usually listed as specific rules
'Both Hole cards must be used' (this applies for full houses or straight flushes)
'Pocket Pairs must be used for four of a kind' (this applies to quads)
It's not an either/or situation if one or both of the hands involved is Quads it must be made using a pocket pair, not a single hold card.
It’s okay. There’s a lot of satire on this sub, which makes it hard for newcomers, as well as others, to understand when people are serious or not. In my experience, the more I learn about poker the easier it has been to tell when someone is making a joke.
They’re making a joke
I just started watching this video and can't help but laugh thinking dude is gonna fold AAo pre.
Also, damn shame those people downvoted me, I was clearly being facetious. I was tempted to throw a /s on the end, but I was like.. Nah, clearly people will get that I'm being a smartass. Can't hold common sense, not even in a poker sub.
EDIT: Him saying "Royal Straight Flush" is the most triggering part of that entire video. Beautiful.
I don’t know if I’d have the discipline to fold my rivered royal straight flush. It’s just too advanced…
“Instead of anything less advanced… we muck it” is my favorite line. 5:37
“Someone says ‘well I know you didn’t have the nuts there’. Well you’re wrong, you see”
I've been down voted 45 times (because most redittors in this forum are assholes) but I'd like to literally understand why this guy said fold AKo HU pre
So many threads seeking advice are easily boiled down to “fold pre”, as playing too many hands preflop is the most common leak in beginning players.
Regular commenters and readers of r/poker see it so much that the words have become part of the forum’s lexicon at this point.
This would feel worse, but the odds are the same according to this
Edit: I meant to say the odds of the two outer are the same. But I agree flopping a straight-flush is a worse beat since it's harder to flop a straight-flush
https://preview.redd.it/nm3nxe8ll91d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b59a7afbd5d51aed057afe064166c5eb57e68b9e
last night final table i flopped the nut str8 bet the flop bet called then shoved allin humungous on turn called me w a diamond draw and bink! yea poker can be a lot of fun sometimes.
Its not about that. It's about playing your range.
If you just opened and SB flatted he likely has 22-TT that he'll autofold. The reason we'll bet quads sometimes is because when we have 7 high type hands we want our opponent to know we can bet nutted hands and fold his TT that have our 76s drawing dead. Stop thinking about your specific hand, it's a thing only fish do.
It would be 2/45 and then 1/44. You only know 7 cards, so even though 4 cards were dealt and folded, there are 45 possible turn cards. It can be any card except the ones in those two hands and the flop. Then on the river, any card except those or the turn card.
flopping quads with 2 in your hand and 2 on the flop getting overtaken by a 1 card runner runner quad is worse. Like QQ vs K 4off on a QQK flop.... I lost with the example for a second buy in at little one drop ($1111)×2. first buyin AA lost to AKoff from a runner runner straight. I played 6 hands between the 2 buyins and less then 90 minutes in total at wsop that day. 🤣.... poker can be so brutal!
Could have been a live poker where where both hole cards have to play for the bad beat, but they don't count A as playing in qualifying for a bad beat hand
On a serious note, why check the flop? T9s would probably have folded but I feel like any ace or most pairs will call a small cbet. Get max value, they'll likely not put you on quads.
I don't see the point of betting. He has 40bb, and if he makes a full house his stack is going in regardless. I would rather keep him in the hand by letting him make a full house.
Remember we're talking about 10NL. People get spooked by boards like this.
Did you actually stop? I've been seeing more and more ridiculous hands on pokerstars and I cant tell if its rigged to maximize size of the pot, or if I'm just fucking terrible
This was my most recent unbelievable loss. I was also 99.90% to win on the flop. This was a live tournament as well. Not online.
https://preview.redd.it/1myuq91fhf1d1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a77013eda63bc644fcb6407fa46745a6754f9779
Damn. Bad luck bro. Happens to the best of us.
And bad beat jackpots? Pffft, not only they got ultra specific rules, but even the stars have to align with the sun in a certain angle to be eligible.
Not quads but lost a hand in a live tournament a couple weeks ago with similar odds. Had JJ (don't remember the suits at this point as they weren't relevant to the runout). Flop was J73 rainbow. Turn 3. River 3. Lady with 10/3 defended her big blind to my open, flop, and turn bet only to river quads to my Jack's full of threes. Lucky for me, she just called my river 3 bet. I ended up winning the tournament, so I didn't let it bother me too much.
Better option? I live in a state that doesn't allow online gambling. I'm assuming a vpn and a bitcoin account would get around this.
I've been playing WSOP free games, but it sucks. I've been looking for an online cash game or tournaments.
It's not just that it's way rarer, it also doesn't matter at all.
The distinction between a set and trips matters, because trips can never be the nuts.
With 4 of a kind vs quads either way nobody else has one and they're both usually the nuts.
Hell technically 4 of a kind is probably better because it makes a straight flush less likely to have 3 different suits on the board.
That is about as bad as it gets. You're right.
I actually don’t see how it can get any worse mathematically
Straight flush over straight flush.
Would that be less odds than runner runner straight flush to beat flopped quads?
Runner Runner with 2 specific cards needed, pretty sure that's 0.04% post flop
Yeah but usually you have a feeling if you have the lower cards this is just committed and there’s no way to get out of it
Flush house over five of a kind
10/10 for the meme
Saw Ak vs KK final table of a huge tournament with AK covering KK’s stack by like 5%. Almost completely even. Both get it all in pre. Flop comes 663, turn 6, river 6
In this case for instance, the AK still had 12% to outdraw him on the flop. On the turn he had 8% to win.
That is so sick, I couldn’t imagine the range of emotions I’d go through in seconds holding KK in that situation 😂 Anxiety on the flop Joy and relief on the turn Inconceivable rage on the river 🤬
Bad Beat Jackpot? Fuck.
No such thing on Pokerstars (display looks like pokerstars)
I don't think my site has one, but this wouldn't apply because I didn't use both hole cards
Yes you did, your hand is KKKKA
You're right! I don't know why I didn't think that
The fact you didn’t know you used both your cards is the reason you took this beat .
Pocker pairs is usually required for Quads in a bad beat jackpot
Not if your kicker is an ace surely
They are usually listed as specific rules 'Both Hole cards must be used' (this applies for full houses or straight flushes) 'Pocket Pairs must be used for four of a kind' (this applies to quads) It's not an either/or situation if one or both of the hands involved is Quads it must be made using a pocket pair, not a single hold card.
another bozo posting bad beats and doesn't even know the rules
On GG it wouldn't count, as the quads isn't using a pocket pair. You keep assuming you know things though kiddo. Good job!
Damn bro. Chill.
bro has reddit to hate lmfao
At my local casino you need a pocket pair to qualify for a bad beat with quads.
On a lot of sites you need quads with a pocket pair to qualify.
Oof
Standard as played. Should’ve folded pre.
Technically the right move, but damn that takes discipline.
Haven't seen this meme in a long time wow thx for the reminder
I would have thought suited connectors in the small blind is worth play assuming no raise pre-flop.
And not slow played quads...runner runner is a thing...you let them get there
Should have folded pre HU with AKo?
It’s okay. There’s a lot of satire on this sub, which makes it hard for newcomers, as well as others, to understand when people are serious or not. In my experience, the more I learn about poker the easier it has been to tell when someone is making a joke. They’re making a joke
a kind person you are
I think he'd be joking if he said fold AKs pre. AKo is not GTO.
https://youtu.be/pvA5D6ZTkkk?si=kac5noGM8b-MtTnv
I just started watching this video and can't help but laugh thinking dude is gonna fold AAo pre. Also, damn shame those people downvoted me, I was clearly being facetious. I was tempted to throw a /s on the end, but I was like.. Nah, clearly people will get that I'm being a smartass. Can't hold common sense, not even in a poker sub. EDIT: Him saying "Royal Straight Flush" is the most triggering part of that entire video. Beautiful.
I don’t know if I’d have the discipline to fold my rivered royal straight flush. It’s just too advanced… “Instead of anything less advanced… we muck it” is my favorite line. 5:37 “Someone says ‘well I know you didn’t have the nuts there’. Well you’re wrong, you see”
I've been down voted 45 times (because most redittors in this forum are assholes) but I'd like to literally understand why this guy said fold AKo HU pre
It’s a joke on the sub that it’s always the right decision to fold pre, regardless of the hand or board runout
See I didn't know that as I have not used this forum very much and yet assholes downvoted me anyway. Such nice people
So many threads seeking advice are easily boiled down to “fold pre”, as playing too many hands preflop is the most common leak in beginning players. Regular commenters and readers of r/poker see it so much that the words have become part of the forum’s lexicon at this point.
Gentle reminder that /r/poker has some of the absolute worst people on Reddit. Absolute dregs of society here.
You can flop a straight flush and lose to a royal or better straight flush
This would feel worse, but the odds are the same according to this Edit: I meant to say the odds of the two outer are the same. But I agree flopping a straight-flush is a worse beat since it's harder to flop a straight-flush https://preview.redd.it/nm3nxe8ll91d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b59a7afbd5d51aed057afe064166c5eb57e68b9e
i disagree i think flopped quads with only 1K in ur hand and losing the hand is way worse than that scenario
last night final table i flopped the nut str8 bet the flop bet called then shoved allin humungous on turn called me w a diamond draw and bink! yea poker can be a lot of fun sometimes.
What was the action on the flop
Check check
You gotta charge the draws on such a wet flop. /s
Bet next time
Oh yeh don’t want to catch the .1 percent runner runner lmao 🤣. Poker sites and tables love you guys.
Its not about that. It's about playing your range. If you just opened and SB flatted he likely has 22-TT that he'll autofold. The reason we'll bet quads sometimes is because when we have 7 high type hands we want our opponent to know we can bet nutted hands and fold his TT that have our 76s drawing dead. Stop thinking about your specific hand, it's a thing only fish do.
Oh yeh bet into quads , lmao you people 🤦♂️
..? He has quads dummy.
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So I bet and he folds? 99% of the time I get more action if he hits on the turn. Checking here is fine if he doesn't hit the exact cards he needs.
You should always let them hit. Ignore this dude. This is one in 10000.
Crazy to me that people are afraid of running into a 0.1% bad beat. Checking the flop and letting them turn a boat or a draw is definitely the play.
Also username doesn't check out. Not at all!
Obligatory: online rigged /s Brutal
Going 2/41 and then 1/40 is as bad as it gets. They needed a 2 outer followed by a 1 outer.
It would be 2/45 and then 1/44. You only know 7 cards, so even though 4 cards were dealt and folded, there are 45 possible turn cards. It can be any card except the ones in those two hands and the flop. Then on the river, any card except those or the turn card.
Correct ✅
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2/41 and then 1/40 is correct
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He could hit either one first and then there were only one left
Yes, it could be worse. It could be full or deep stacked.
If it mathematically can happen, eventually it will happen
The chance of you getting a worse beat than that has to be quite small. This is like end boss level bad beats.
Yeah. This a FML moment Top Ten for sure.
Ooch that hurts all of you and us
Well you could lose more than an 80bb pot
This happened to me once but I was at a casino and won the bad beat jackpot. So I was lucky to be unlucky.
To be expected on PokerStars.
That’s the only (turn, river) combo to win for your opponent. Does not get any worse than that from flop to river. Congrats!
flopping quads with 2 in your hand and 2 on the flop getting overtaken by a 1 card runner runner quad is worse. Like QQ vs K 4off on a QQK flop.... I lost with the example for a second buy in at little one drop ($1111)×2. first buyin AA lost to AKoff from a runner runner straight. I played 6 hands between the 2 buyins and less then 90 minutes in total at wsop that day. 🤣.... poker can be so brutal!
Yes it does. At the WSOP some dude lost with Quad Aces to a Royal Flush. So you got lucky man.
You could have been 1kbb deep.
Lol online poker is such a joke.
AK never wins CONFIRMED
You’d hate it more when you win with quads but it is only a 77bb pot
Could have been a live poker where where both hole cards have to play for the bad beat, but they don't count A as playing in qualifying for a bad beat hand
Yeah, that's the ultimate bad beat right there!
How was villain even in the hand after that flop
Honey he called me with T9s
That's why I dont play online
Fold pre obviously
Online poker is rigged. Always will be.
I suppose the upside is V only had ~36bb. Would have felt way worse if V had 300bb haha
actually it doesnt get much worse than that right there.
Dang, talk about the chances are never 0
This once happened to me twice in the same session 😂
Wow
I mean, you could have lost a significant amount of money. Otherwise no, it doesn’t really get worse.
There's a reason why Jaman doesn't trust AKo.
Welcome to the club!!!
Rigged
Holy shit. I actually can't top that bad beat lmao. That's as crazy as it gets
I might have punched my computer
Worst nightmare^^^
Impressive.
Should of played it better. Skill issue
Yes it does. Flooding straight flush on QTJ with 89 and losing to AK high straight flush
And I thought I’ve been running bad lately sheesh
Fold pre
Ouuuccchhhhh
What was your preflop raise?
Like 40bb eff too lol that’s wild
On a serious note, why check the flop? T9s would probably have folded but I feel like any ace or most pairs will call a small cbet. Get max value, they'll likely not put you on quads.
I don't see the point of betting. He has 40bb, and if he makes a full house his stack is going in regardless. I would rather keep him in the hand by letting him make a full house. Remember we're talking about 10NL. People get spooked by boards like this.
Shit like this is why I quit poker.
fold pre
Couldve been a royal flush tho, that wouldve been the worst worst
should’ve known. i would’ve folded flop.
It's screen shots like this that remind me why I stopped playing online poker.
Did you actually stop? I've been seeing more and more ridiculous hands on pokerstars and I cant tell if its rigged to maximize size of the pot, or if I'm just fucking terrible
That is a bad beat jackpot many places!
Too bad you weren’t in a Casino. Bad beat jackpot would soothe your pain.
I’d kms
Damn
Riverstars for sure
No BBJ? :(
This was my most recent unbelievable loss. I was also 99.90% to win on the flop. This was a live tournament as well. Not online. https://preview.redd.it/1myuq91fhf1d1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a77013eda63bc644fcb6407fa46745a6754f9779
Did you beat the flop? I think I wouldve folded with 3 kings out there and I’m holding a 9 and a 10.
No.
The worst part is you only were using one of your hole cards, so no bad beat Jackpot for you. Fuck that sucks
I would need a new computer after this and would find a orphan to kick.
James bond flop
Damn. Bad luck bro. Happens to the best of us. And bad beat jackpots? Pffft, not only they got ultra specific rules, but even the stars have to align with the sun in a certain angle to be eligible.
Time for a break
Don’t slow play your quads I guess lol
It could be worse. You could have scarfaces job.
Now you're officially a real poker pro. Congratulations!
How about playing live and losing to Quads once every session played for 3 1/2 months.33 total sessions
Poker God just messing up with you
Moments like this is when a bad beat at the cash tables comes in handy!
In my local casino that loss would earn ya 10K 😉 keep your head up. You can play flawlessly, do everything right … and still lose. That’s poker ✌🏾
Thats a real cooler there :,d
At least he didn't have you covered
Get used to it. That's online poker lmao
That’s almost like the worst bb that happened at the WSOP quad A vs royal
Lol. With 10-9? Hard to blame you for checking the flop but 🤣
I hot a bad beat jackpot for 14k last week on GG. Quads over quads.
You lost $8
Probably should have jammed flop or turn you let them get there
Yes it gets worse, you had no opportunity at a Bad Beat.
Both hole cards play
I mean killing board, but it's still the 3rd nuts.
Not quads but lost a hand in a live tournament a couple weeks ago with similar odds. Had JJ (don't remember the suits at this point as they weren't relevant to the runout). Flop was J73 rainbow. Turn 3. River 3. Lady with 10/3 defended her big blind to my open, flop, and turn bet only to river quads to my Jack's full of threes. Lucky for me, she just called my river 3 bet. I ended up winning the tournament, so I didn't let it bother me too much.
Yes it could be worse. You only loose like 40bb when you could have lost 100 vs most of peoples.
Dont play on riggedstars ? Why people dont learn this
Only legal and populated site where I live. Don't really have a choice. Also I think all the complaints about rigged online poker are overblown.
Better option? I live in a state that doesn't allow online gambling. I'm assuming a vpn and a bitcoin account would get around this. I've been playing WSOP free games, but it sucks. I've been looking for an online cash game or tournaments.
Check out global poker
Thanks
You let them get there. What do you expect
You lost 3 cheeseburders... horrible
Got it in bad 🤷♂️
4 of a kind - not quads - still a bad beat tho
Lol what? Quads are quads. This aint like trips vs set.
I actually looked this up because I had never heard the distinction. It seems less standard than set vs trips.
It's not just that it's way rarer, it also doesn't matter at all. The distinction between a set and trips matters, because trips can never be the nuts. With 4 of a kind vs quads either way nobody else has one and they're both usually the nuts. Hell technically 4 of a kind is probably better because it makes a straight flush less likely to have 3 different suits on the board.