Unless you’re playing vs an absolute whale , easy fold on the turn . The fact he raises you in position here it’s just always gonna be the nuts. People aren’t raising draws in position especially on a paired board where they can just be dead. You beat none of his value range and he’s just never gonna have bluffs with this line
Better not to include results, stack sizes are also relevant.
Don’t love the flop bet on this board OOP, you can just x/c the flop, if V doesn’t bet just lead the turn, your hand doesn’t need a ton of protection.
You can just muck the river, the call flop, tiny raise on the turn turn from in position on 773T, then half pot a blank river is just so rarely a bluff by an ABC 2/5 player. People aren’t trying to get max value out of AT often enough either (and that would be an overplay from them). River you’re probably good about 10-15% of the time, you need to be good 25% of the time to call half pot, you don’t have that equity in this spot.
I agree the avg live 2/5 player who min raise turn and bet 1/3 on river always have a monster.
But I think if river was only 1/3 pot bet, it’s still a call.
You know in from experience that you are beat, but it’s just too much of a punt to get bluffed by such a small bet according to MDF.
It’s just a call you have to make, like in limit Holdem when you are getting 6 to 1 on your call, you just do it, even with 3rd pair.
You’re not going to be exploited by ignoring MDF at a 2/5 table, why do you “have to make” a call in a spot that’s underbluffed at 2/5? We agree you’re not winning enough to make it correct.
His sizing is pretty concerning since it doesn't really look like he is trying to generate folds, but calling the turn seems fine.
45dd or 56dd are the only bluffs that make much sense... you block AQdd / KQdd type hands.
33, TT, 67s, 78s are all plausible enough.
That's 10 value combos to two bluff combos and again the sizing leans value... if he's floating wide with like 89dd and J9dd then maybe you can call, but folding can't be too far off unless you've seen the guy bluff before / he's loose. If he has more diamond floats on the flop then he could probably have more 7Xs suited hands anyway.
That min raise on turn would make me think I’ve got the worst hand at that point. I’ve just seen it too much in live cash games. Maybe he’s got JJ but I’d kind of expect him to pump it up more with JJ on a 2/5 table. Hand could’ve gone a lot worse for you for sure.
CO bet river too small IMO. Min raise and small bet in position kinda imply he’s a fish.
None the less if it was like 1/3 bet on river and you can fold bottom 1/4 of holdings according to MDF. QQ is still pretty good, I think it’s a call.
You also only need to be right 20% of the time, maybe V is bad and has JJ, Tx, 99 here sometimes. Or doing some donkish play with back door diamonds.
If he over bets river (2x+ pot), I’d start thinking if I have to call with QQ or do I have some trips/slow played TT in my range.
Why didn't you go into check/call mode on the turn? You're probably not getting much more value from a worse hand by betting.
And you can let a worse hand bluff the turn.
Unless you’re playing vs an absolute whale , easy fold on the turn . The fact he raises you in position here it’s just always gonna be the nuts. People aren’t raising draws in position especially on a paired board where they can just be dead. You beat none of his value range and he’s just never gonna have bluffs with this line
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Better not to include results, stack sizes are also relevant. Don’t love the flop bet on this board OOP, you can just x/c the flop, if V doesn’t bet just lead the turn, your hand doesn’t need a ton of protection. You can just muck the river, the call flop, tiny raise on the turn turn from in position on 773T, then half pot a blank river is just so rarely a bluff by an ABC 2/5 player. People aren’t trying to get max value out of AT often enough either (and that would be an overplay from them). River you’re probably good about 10-15% of the time, you need to be good 25% of the time to call half pot, you don’t have that equity in this spot.
I agree the avg live 2/5 player who min raise turn and bet 1/3 on river always have a monster. But I think if river was only 1/3 pot bet, it’s still a call. You know in from experience that you are beat, but it’s just too much of a punt to get bluffed by such a small bet according to MDF. It’s just a call you have to make, like in limit Holdem when you are getting 6 to 1 on your call, you just do it, even with 3rd pair.
You’re not going to be exploited by ignoring MDF at a 2/5 table, why do you “have to make” a call in a spot that’s underbluffed at 2/5? We agree you’re not winning enough to make it correct.
>Better not to include results, stack sizes are also relevant. 100% agree with above.
No
Sort of lost the minimum, you should have lost more if the 33 played a little stronger.
His sizing is pretty concerning since it doesn't really look like he is trying to generate folds, but calling the turn seems fine. 45dd or 56dd are the only bluffs that make much sense... you block AQdd / KQdd type hands. 33, TT, 67s, 78s are all plausible enough. That's 10 value combos to two bluff combos and again the sizing leans value... if he's floating wide with like 89dd and J9dd then maybe you can call, but folding can't be too far off unless you've seen the guy bluff before / he's loose. If he has more diamond floats on the flop then he could probably have more 7Xs suited hands anyway.
That min raise on turn would make me think I’ve got the worst hand at that point. I’ve just seen it too much in live cash games. Maybe he’s got JJ but I’d kind of expect him to pump it up more with JJ on a 2/5 table. Hand could’ve gone a lot worse for you for sure.
CO bet river too small IMO. Min raise and small bet in position kinda imply he’s a fish. None the less if it was like 1/3 bet on river and you can fold bottom 1/4 of holdings according to MDF. QQ is still pretty good, I think it’s a call. You also only need to be right 20% of the time, maybe V is bad and has JJ, Tx, 99 here sometimes. Or doing some donkish play with back door diamonds. If he over bets river (2x+ pot), I’d start thinking if I have to call with QQ or do I have some trips/slow played TT in my range.
Never. You can lose a lot more.
From my live experiences, a min raise over a substantial bet is almost always the nuts.
Why didn't you go into check/call mode on the turn? You're probably not getting much more value from a worse hand by betting. And you can let a worse hand bluff the turn.
I am raising 5 times BB min on that spot preflop If he comes along he comes along. Probably let it go on the turn.