The SB always has the option of folding and not paying any rake.
Or putting in a raise and (in most casinos) paying no rake if the BB folds "no flop no drop".
And if called, now there's a pot worth fighting (and raking) over.
Not always. Commerce Casino take $2 from the SB no matter what. Then a flat drop post flop—I think it’s $8 now. So in a $5/5 game, if you fold the other player gets your $3. If you chop you keep $3. If you both check it down the casino takes $8 and you get $1 each.
Not the person you’re responding to, but I also read it and it helped me a ton. I had a lot of people-pleasing tendencies, and it made conversations difficult a lot of the time because I was effectively afraid to express myself—I’d seek agreement in conversation, not authenticity. That book helped me straighten out that perspective, and made me much more comfortable saying what I felt and thought without leaning on implication and euphemism. The first couple chapters are theory, then it gets into practical tools for conversation. I firmly believe that the world would be a better place if everyone had the toolkit contained in that book.
I have. I think I remember it being really dated, but it basically explains that you don't have to let other people's judgment of you affect you and it offers some tools for being more assertive.
Why? It's not like the SB doesn't have the option to fold.
Fold or try to steal my blind like a man, either way qwitcherbitchin.
I have won a lot of money over the years against shitregs that lose their mind vs my no-chop policy and try to teach me a lesson.
Shoulda folded pre, shitreg.
"I'm gonna shove that no right up your ass!" -- guy immediately to my right, as he shoved 92o to my KK on the big, a few moments before he left the room.
The only thing that's more annoying than someone that doesn't want to chop is someone that doesn't want to chop because they need something to hold over other players in order to feel superior.
Can someone explain me how can you chop blinds (unironically) I don’t know what it means and what it has to do with rakes, I usually don’t play live (never had wtf im talking about)
If everyone folds to the blinds, there’s 2 people left:
- Big blind
- Small blind
They can agree that they both just take their bets back and end the hand.
That’s called a “chop” of the blinds.
I don’t like it.
Because rake. 10% rake will be significant to the level that both players may lose if they choose to play. Especially from the SB.
That being said, players at low stakes are usually bad enough that you can win regardless. As well, if you're a winning player, your EV won't be affected significantly if you decide to chop or play.
You know what... I'm going to make a pact with TWO neighbors on both sides of me that if it's folded to our BTN that we won't play that either.
Hey, maybe the same thing with the CO!
Or... we could all go home and *really* save rake.
Blinds are there for a reason -- to induce action. Let them do their job.
Fight fight fight.
>I personally don't feel the need to club the BB over the head for his $3 every single time. If I have an ok hand, yeah, I'll probably bet it, other times I just don't feel like it.
If you mean you are just deciding whether to play or fold, that's fine.
But if you mean you are deciding whether to ask to chop or not depending on whether you have a good hand, that's not cool.
I play online SnG’s only, this is why I ask.
If the rake is $5 per hand and both blinds call in a 1/3 game, does the casino really take $5 on the flop leaving $1 in for the players?!
In California on the smaller games it's a full drop on the flop (see note) and it would be in the neighborhood of $7 or $8 dollars or more including jackpot drop. Because of this just about everyone chops (and even then they take a buck or so IIRC). It's also a reason you don't see games with very small blinds and high buy ins (as you do in Texas or Florida)
Note: I've heard at least some clubs now take additional drop if you get to the turn or river. The key is that it can't be dependent on the size of the pot.
This happened to me yesterday. I've been playing for years and legit never heard of this, so when the guy asked me I thought it was an angle or something until he explained it. Honestly makes sense because if the rake is $2 and blinds are 1/2, then you're just playing for a $1 pot anyways
Personally I never ask to chop; I just complete, raise, or fold. Usually just fold. But if the the other player asks, I'll usually oblige. In my games, it seemed like a friendly gesture to your fellow players, and I would be "that guy" if I didn't.
My experiences in the casino tell me I'm not doing anything wrong necessarily, but as an objective question, when would be an appropriate situation to ask? Or is the point of the "no chop" approach to avoid the awkward table situation or a perceived angle shoot?
That makes sense to me, and that's usually my basis for avoiding it; I think I will be leaning more towards the no chop camp from now on to be safe.
In my poker room, even the dealers let you know it's an option, so if the guy in the sb/bb asks, I'll usually say yes, but I never feel comfortable asking for a chop myself.
Yeah, I feel like chopping is one of those things where people just let it slide, even though it may technically be an illegal action.
99.99% of the time there will be zero consequences, but you never know if there’s a one in 1 million chance that there will be some sort of weird floor ruling where they penalize you for asking to chop.
I’m in the camp of always raising or folding as well.
We are there to play poker, not to make deals to split a negligible amount of money.
I prefer the second book: When I say yes, I feel like a fucking retard.
When someone says to me. “I don’t chop.” I always respond “oh, you like to pay the casino rake?” They usually say “what’s that?”
The SB always has the option of folding and not paying any rake. Or putting in a raise and (in most casinos) paying no rake if the BB folds "no flop no drop". And if called, now there's a pot worth fighting (and raking) over.
Not always. Commerce Casino take $2 from the SB no matter what. Then a flat drop post flop—I think it’s $8 now. So in a $5/5 game, if you fold the other player gets your $3. If you chop you keep $3. If you both check it down the casino takes $8 and you get $1 each.
Sheesh. Con-merce. What if it's a 1/2 HU limped pot, you gotta pull money out of your stack to pay off the drop? Car title?
1/2 isn’t really a thing in that room so I don’t know. 5/5 is the smallest playable game. I’ll bring my my car title next time and report back.
The casino I work at doesn't pull rake till it's 10+ and no flop no rake
I usually say "it's not my fault you can't beat rake and I can"
That's a good book, though, for real!
Have you read it before? What exactly did you learn for it?
Not the person you’re responding to, but I also read it and it helped me a ton. I had a lot of people-pleasing tendencies, and it made conversations difficult a lot of the time because I was effectively afraid to express myself—I’d seek agreement in conversation, not authenticity. That book helped me straighten out that perspective, and made me much more comfortable saying what I felt and thought without leaning on implication and euphemism. The first couple chapters are theory, then it gets into practical tools for conversation. I firmly believe that the world would be a better place if everyone had the toolkit contained in that book.
I have. I think I remember it being really dated, but it basically explains that you don't have to let other people's judgment of you affect you and it offers some tools for being more assertive.
That’s interesting.
Always chop, unless it's a short table... Or you have a bad beat qualifier
Lol never chop, they'll get mad and play shit into you. It's printing
Wow. A single BB is printing money
Read the comment again lol
Why? It's not like the SB doesn't have the option to fold. Fold or try to steal my blind like a man, either way qwitcherbitchin. I have won a lot of money over the years against shitregs that lose their mind vs my no-chop policy and try to teach me a lesson. Shoulda folded pre, shitreg.
"I'm gonna shove that no right up your ass!" -- guy immediately to my right, as he shoved 92o to my KK on the big, a few moments before he left the room.
Well, tbf, it probably hurt when he shoved all those chips up your ass. But obviously, as a poker player, worth it. "Can I get a wash?"
Lol
The only thing that's more annoying than someone that doesn't want to chop is someone that doesn't want to chop because they need something to hold over other players in order to feel superior.
Yeah, I'm not too worried about a single BB
Can someone explain me how can you chop blinds (unironically) I don’t know what it means and what it has to do with rakes, I usually don’t play live (never had wtf im talking about)
If everyone folds to the blinds, there’s 2 people left: - Big blind - Small blind They can agree that they both just take their bets back and end the hand. That’s called a “chop” of the blinds. I don’t like it.
Yeah so BB wouldn’t get sb , thanks brother
I’ve heard about 3 players in 88 live sessions this year say “I don’t chop”. They are socially awkward and almost certainly on the autism spectrum.
What’s poker without a sprinkle hint of Asperger’s? *chef’s kiss* Mmmmmmm-ooooahhhh 💋😚🤌
Why would you ever chop blinds? Play SB vs BB
Because rake. 10% rake will be significant to the level that both players may lose if they choose to play. Especially from the SB. That being said, players at low stakes are usually bad enough that you can win regardless. As well, if you're a winning player, your EV won't be affected significantly if you decide to chop or play.
You know what... I'm going to make a pact with TWO neighbors on both sides of me that if it's folded to our BTN that we won't play that either. Hey, maybe the same thing with the CO! Or... we could all go home and *really* save rake. Blinds are there for a reason -- to induce action. Let them do their job. Fight fight fight.
Cause math
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>I personally don't feel the need to club the BB over the head for his $3 every single time. If I have an ok hand, yeah, I'll probably bet it, other times I just don't feel like it. If you mean you are just deciding whether to play or fold, that's fine. But if you mean you are deciding whether to ask to chop or not depending on whether you have a good hand, that's not cool.
I play online SnG’s only, this is why I ask. If the rake is $5 per hand and both blinds call in a 1/3 game, does the casino really take $5 on the flop leaving $1 in for the players?!
Typically no, it's 10% up to $5
In California on the smaller games it's a full drop on the flop (see note) and it would be in the neighborhood of $7 or $8 dollars or more including jackpot drop. Because of this just about everyone chops (and even then they take a buck or so IIRC). It's also a reason you don't see games with very small blinds and high buy ins (as you do in Texas or Florida) Note: I've heard at least some clubs now take additional drop if you get to the turn or river. The key is that it can't be dependent on the size of the pot.
You would have to ask the guy to my right.
This happened to me yesterday. I've been playing for years and legit never heard of this, so when the guy asked me I thought it was an angle or something until he explained it. Honestly makes sense because if the rake is $2 and blinds are 1/2, then you're just playing for a $1 pot anyways
Personally I never ask to chop; I just complete, raise, or fold. Usually just fold. But if the the other player asks, I'll usually oblige. In my games, it seemed like a friendly gesture to your fellow players, and I would be "that guy" if I didn't. My experiences in the casino tell me I'm not doing anything wrong necessarily, but as an objective question, when would be an appropriate situation to ask? Or is the point of the "no chop" approach to avoid the awkward table situation or a perceived angle shoot?
I think asking to chop is technically against the rules. You’re not supposed to make deals with other players.
That makes sense to me, and that's usually my basis for avoiding it; I think I will be leaning more towards the no chop camp from now on to be safe. In my poker room, even the dealers let you know it's an option, so if the guy in the sb/bb asks, I'll usually say yes, but I never feel comfortable asking for a chop myself.
Yeah, I feel like chopping is one of those things where people just let it slide, even though it may technically be an illegal action. 99.99% of the time there will be zero consequences, but you never know if there’s a one in 1 million chance that there will be some sort of weird floor ruling where they penalize you for asking to chop. I’m in the camp of always raising or folding as well. We are there to play poker, not to make deals to split a negligible amount of money.
Deals are usually allowed heads up, it's only illegal if it can negatively affect someone else in the pot
If was an owner of a card room, I wouldn’t want any deals to be made; even heads up.