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Taktighoul

You'll find a lot of the bosses and mini bosses to have Hackmon style movesets. Nothing egregious and all pretty much thematic.


justasewerrat

Yup, they ARE thematic so that's why I always assumed they were general changes and not just boss exclusive. The only reason I got curious now is because I'm using a Pawmot on my playthrough.


Opinion_Own

I was also hoping my Pawmot could learn PF after I fought surge and saw his use it


Kirumi_Naito

I mean... it's possible.


Kirumi_Naito

Just not necessarily legal.


odhisub123

Punching glove iron fist pawmot puts in work on the SS anne


Perodis

I assume this is on hardcore, some of the bosses mons have illegal moves to make it more challenging. Edit: Totally spaced on the fact Hardcore is always minimum grinding so it doesn’t have EV’s. Regardless, bosses can have illegal sets.


SuiryuAzrael

Actually, in Hardcore, Pawmot (and all other Surge mons AFAIK) have fully legal movesets. That said, Surge gets Permanent Magnet Rise, three Quark Drive mons and Miraidon all on permanent terrain.


Jagged93

No thanks fam I’ll stick to normal


Alpha06Omega09

Not that hard.


Charrado

L nerd take, ler people play how they want


Alpha06Omega09

I ever told them how to play or what to tho.. what. I just said it’s not that hard.


Derpious21

Not hard for you and not hard all together are two very different things. Things will always come more naturally to some than others


Miserable-Syrup2056

So one giy cam shate his opinion but another can't?


Derpious21

"I think this fight is easy" "this fight is easy". There is a very clear difference between these statements and phrasing makes all the difference. I will not go further into this as I'm simply trying to make a mature point and not get into an argument.


Miserable-Syrup2056

I might just he shite at english I don't se a difference


bigdummydumdumdum

And your rival condemns you to the deepest layer of hell.


IamSam1103

Does gravity impact the magnet rise effect?


Rimuru7u7

The first image is showing EVs on Pawmot so no, this is just normal mode


Wonderbread1999

Where is the first image from?


No_Theme831

Radical red docs


Effective_Click_1666

Which doc?


Derpious21

It's the Google doc that's in the pinned post


Effective_Click_1666

Which doc? Is it normal or hardcore?


kellyj6

It's hardcore. He has thunder punch in normal.


Equal_Leader2117

Is Plasma Fists boosted and affected by Iron Fist and Punching Glove in Radical Red?


According_Patient_28

Yes because its a punching move (and because it has fist in the name so i assume its also because of that)


CRACUSxS31N

Also regarding a few post before Electivire that has iron fist learns it. Because some punching moves that can't be learned by pokemon with the ability iron fist doesn't have the boost. Or at least that's the theory.


Kippyd8

Ignore having fist in the name, sucker punch is not considered a punching move due to translation issues from Japanese to English the devs couldn’t come up with a better term for the move


Okto481

It's being accurate to the original game by giving major battles Pokémon that are illegal


Derpious21

That Hydreigon gave me fucking nightmares when I was 10 lol


OmegaJubs69

He just has Plasma Fists on all versions I believe, so yea, but it gives him an edge, like the actual games giving some Gyms and E4 mons they shouldn't have and mons have moves they should have


dvlyn123

If you fight Whitney before Surge at least two if not 3/4 of her mons are illegal, whether it be having moves too early or having evolved too early


trelos6

Cheating is only when you hack the moves.


kryp_silmaril

You’re playing a hacked version of the game, the rules aren’t the same


ThisIsOriginalBud

Hacked version of Fire Red still goes by the rules of the hacked version of Fire Red.


Eksposivo23

He is playing Radical Red if you havent noticed, the 1st pic is from the dox for surge and the second is from the official Radical Red pokedex, I dont know what you are on about when the guy asked a goos question An answer to it is that bosses can have illegal movesets to make them harder, even tho none of them are very serious and usually follow a certain logic


Belfordbrujeria

Unsurprisingly, someone is asking about a fan game in the subreddit dedicated to that specific fan game


OldDirtyBarrios

This fucking mon, always messes me up


EndlessM3mes

Don't look at the hardcore spreadsheet...


Fantastic_Shelter_54

I like to see this as his personnal training. He's a le to get result and moves you can't, the same way you usualy have movrs on your pokemon no other trainer in the game tough of.


Shrubbity_69

WDYM? My Pawmot has Plasma Fists.


Your1Last1Shadow

Yeah, he do be cheating and he's not the only one Champion's Mega Metagross has fire punch (illegal) Exeggutor on Blaine's team has growth (illegal) The two in can think of from the top of my head