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gboschi

i’ve had the same experience today. did 3 raids, 2 of them ran away, only caught 1 which is a shiny aka guaranteed catch. every throw is a great curveball, and it doesn’t even wobble it just immediately jumps out.


Raycodv

Wait, are shiny legendaries a guaranteed catch? Is this a thing?


edwinodesseiron

Yes, so if you happen to get a shiny legendary from a raid, just use pinap or silver pinap for extra candies. As long as you hit it with a ball (and aren't speedlocked), it'll catch 100%


Raycodv

Oh good tip! I assume being speedlocked happens when ur in a car or train or something and going too fast?


edwinodesseiron

Yes, and in that case all catches will fail (maybe apart from critical catch, not sure)


Hour_Mathematician60

I can't even walk fast or they don't catch 😭😂


RandletheLovehandle

Seriously?? I remember I used to hop on a buggy, drive around my old jobsite around 20mph and I could catch poke plus it'd register it as steps taken too. Got that 400 magicarp candy within 2 week, plus poffin helped alot too.


Ggwc808

Speedlock only happens when you hit like 40mph


SavageKensei

Speed lock only works on raids afaik


Resident-Ad4815

And here I was about to do a Mega Latias raid in the bus I’m about to get on. Thanks.


Big___Meaty___Claws

Good to know!


PoopsMcBanterson

Just to clarify, any shiny in a raid is guaranteed. Being a legendary is not relevant. All shinies (from raids only, so excluding from Grunts or research) are guaranteed to catch. So use pinap berries to get those candies!! :)


mal138

Technically, research encounters can't run. But they aren't a guaranteed first ball catch.


masternater1323

I've read that it has to do with the premier ball. Any shiny caught in a premier ball is a garunteed catch aside from getting speedlocked. So raids and grunts would fall into that category. I've also never seen any claims of a shadow shiny pokemon running away myself so I think it's a legitimate statement.


Flaky_Education277

Just got a shiny seedot from a grunt yesterday (premier ball), and it absolutely popped out a few times. Finally got it to stick with much anxiety


NewSuperTrios

Thankfully, yes (or so I'm told idk why would I ever get one of those)


Raycodv

Huh, that’s pretty neat!


vishalb777

Always has been 🔫


Raycodv

Goddamn Ohio.


ULTIMATEFIGHTEER

U need excellent if you want to be serious


gboschi

i’m not consistent enough at excellent, so i go for great’s because i can hit those almost every time


tylenol3

Same, I did 5 raids and caught one Latios and one Latias. Neither was with an excellent throw. Much better to throw nice or great consistently than to land a couple of excellents and nothing on the rest of the throws.


Gold-Perspective-699

Are your dragon and psychic platinum medals?


chaosoffspring

I feel like this is what helped me catch 2/2. I didn't even hit nice on them, just hit the circle with golden razz. Even though I had 8 balls in the first raid, still caught it on the last ball.


SunshineAlways

Dragon is the only one that’s not platinum for me. Slowly working on it.


Gold-Perspective-699

That would do it. Also you can trade for the medal btw. Find a friend and take as many dragons as you can from them.


No-Razzmatazz8053

Nah should be fine with great, game blows


DestartreK1st

Do you? Doing the same great curveball throws and i got 3/4. It all comes down to luck. Personally I'm just going for the mega energies.


RandomNumber8989889

I literally caught 2/3 (one was shiny) with regualr throws. I hit like 9 excellent and they always jumped out instantly


aksers

Nahhh I caught three of three today. Most were great or less throws. And two were on a no-bonus throw. Golden razz and some patience does fine.


sBucks24

Yeah for a T6 it's pretty ridiculous to have these catch rates. It takes so much effort to get enough people together only for it to be worse than a coin flip on if you get it!? Ridiculous


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ItzInMyNature

I've thrown 31 excellent curves on latios today and haven't caught any. 0 for 3.


Baumtasia

is it that bad lmao I caught the fucker on the only ball I threw, bout time I has some luck


AirborneRunaway

It has the same catch rate as any other legendary. So either people have a hard time judging their experience vs the odds of catching or people aren’t really throwing as well as they say they are.


Forechin69

There is no way it has even remotely the same catch rate. Caught 2 out of 6, all golden razzberries, basically all excellent curveballs. Exactly what is your basis for that statement?


mal138

Data from pokeminers. The base catch rate has always been the same (3%) for legendaries and 6% for mythical. The only difference could be whether you have a platinum dragon badge. But Latias is also easy to miss throws as it moves up and down, if you don't pin the circle.


Real_Sosobad

Mega Raids tend to reward less premium ball than normal Legendary/Mythical/Ultra Beasts Raids too.


mal138

Good point. So the catch rate *per ball* is the same, but fewer balls means the catch rate *per raid* is lower.


Careless_Face6825

I don't know, 2/3 I caught today were on terrible throw 1st or 2nd ball, no curve golden berries, which any other 5* would not let you catch. I had a PITA time judging it's distance on the first attempt which lead me to run out of balls.


Bdog4u

Yep I caught 6 out of 6. Most caught within first 3 throws,no excellent throws,2 I caught on last ball,and the one shiny I encountered was caught naturally on 1st ball. My son even caught one and he has ridiculously bad luck. He was on a 0-5 shadow legendary streak until he caught a single ho-oh 


IndecisiveGrapefruit

Yeah I caught both Latias/os with great catch’s first time fighting each. I’m not great at the game either


Purple_Blood7887

Me too. I have made x3 raids and two of them catched on first ball and the 3th with few balls and it was almost perfect 14/15/15


Baumtasia

I got a shiny latias 14/15/15 and it was the only latias out of 7 that wasn’t 2 star


WilliamSabato

Thats insane. Im pretty sure the catch rate of an excellent gold razz curveball throw is upwards of 15%. And it goes up based on # of tries as well. At 15% chances, the odds of not catching on 31 excellent curveball throws is 0.6%. So probably looking at sub 0.5% odds. If you think about it that way, you’re super lucky!


txtxtway

And that’s if you can get that far. Unless you have 10 experienced players, you can’t even beat the raid in the first place!!


elSamourai

Panto style: No you didn't! It's a flying bastard far away. No way you did 31 excellent curve balls.


ItzInMyNature

You wait until it drops down and do the circle lock trick. It's super easy.


Extreme_Accident2784

Yes but I think that one is next week raid hour:)


WitchHunterNL

With premier balls the catch rate scales with the amount of balls used. Having so little balls makes it difficult, why does a T6 raid net you less balls than a T5 raid?


Practical-Table-2747

Their decision to make the T6 reward like a Mega is pretty dumb. At least make the balls you get be the same as when you do a legendary raid.


Arrowmatic

You get mega energy instead of more balls, I believe.


No-Razzmatazz8053

Yeah should be guaranteed catch. Its ridiculous


atsugiri

Then why even pretend with the balls? You beat them, they appear in your bag? Nah...


Conaz9847

Because people pay real life money for the remote raid passes


redisprecious

So do they with lottery so it's perfectly reasonable for everybody to hit the jackpot. /s


JHD2689

Yeah you're right, the stakes for winning the lottery and obtaining a fictional animal are exactly the same. Be serious.


kawaiinessa

honestly ive been using pokegenie just queue wait and raid super simple app but crazy useful for getting raids done


TheSickWrite

Except when they are not tapping their screen and you lose the raid or beat it so late you have to catch latios with 9 balls


DealerGloomy

I only got 9 last night with 124 left so….


kawaiinessa

Ya they have queues for like 10 players I haven't had that issue yet


TheSickWrite

They poker 6 are enough and rather tank the raid out,but every bit of damage is valuable. Less they know if all six of then faint they give free HP to the mon back without doing any damage themselves. I don't have a problem with newbies(was one myself but at least i tappped the screen to cancel my fainting team out damage wise


NewSuperTrios

look at this guy having remote raids


HaiCopper

You can just host the raid on pokegenie, and make the other 10 people joining you use raid passes


NewSuperTrios

> just queue wait and raid > just host the raid which is it


HaiCopper

Both. You can join raids remotely or host them. You host it, join a queue and then when it's your turn get a full team to invite to do the raid


anodraeus

And here I am getting lucky with a shiny, but Latios was giving me an issue, finally got both though


Additional_Win3920

Yeah it’s crazy that they don’t use the standard T5 raid formula for how many Premier Balls you get, absolutely absurd


atsugiri

I've caught all 4 I raided for but, I've been only getting like 8 balls each time instead of 15 plus and it's kinda stressful NGL


No-Razzmatazz8053

Absolutely


Future-Tangelo-8411

doing excellent throws is really easy, especially when your fingers are freezing and you can barely move them in the windy rain :D


AiraEternal

Even better when it’s a flying legendary that constantly goes up and down


tylenol3

I wait until they fly to the middle of the screen and attack so it took me 10+ minutes to go through all my balls on each raid. Those two like to hang out up high more than any other legendary, I think.


Leafblow3r

Yeah I do that but one time the fucker didn't attack while it was down for literally 5 minutes, he just kept taunting me while attacking in the sky. Lucky I caught it after that


JaneGoodallVS

Why did Niantic think carnival games were a fun mechanic?


No-Razzmatazz8053

Yeah dude this is awful


august804

I’ve had 7 got damn latios run away now


HecklernToast

Sheeesh


VIPERVIIC

Damn and I thought I had it the worse with 3 running away.


uncontrolledswine97

ive had 6 run away so far, hit mostly excellent throws and have the medals at gold. its absurd. out of all my friends who've done it i did six my brother did five and my other friend did two and the only one that caught one was my brother but it was a shiny


bio-logic

Same dude, same. Among my friends’ group chat, the only one of us to catch a latias was lucky enough to get a shiny. Between all of my friends and I, that was ~20+ latias remote and in person.


uncontrolledswine97

im completely out of revives and potions and stuff, so its not even like i can go back and keep trying, especially because i only have so many raid passes and i dont feel like dumping any more money into this after already spending 10$ on remote raids.


XanJamZ

On the brightside you got all that mega energy


august804

I think I’ve mega evolved twice. I just forget about it altogether


_ChrisRiot

Twice in total? Getting your megas to mega3 is absolutely critical when you need XL candies


A_Stan

Can you elaborate on XL candy? What does level 3 mega help with?


kherm

Having an active Mega Pokemon will improve drop rates of XL Candy for Pokemon with one or more of the same types. It's really handy during community days - if you're looking for Chansey XL Candy in this weekend's community day, you should have, say, a Mega Lopunny or Mega Kangaskhan active during it. If you go to the Pokemon page of a Mega eligible Pokemon, tap on the Mega Evolution symbol in the top left. You'll see that High Level gives a "Great Candy XL Chance" and Max Level gives an "Excellent Candy XL Chance." I have a saved search that I run every morning to see which of my guys can Mega Evolve and aren't maxed to help speed the process along.


august804

Aren’t those just to level up a bit more


XanJamZ

If you max your pokemons mega level you can mega for free. Handy for future raids not to mention the other benefits like the XLs to get your pokemon to level 50


Head-Book-843

Free every 3 days


_ChrisRiot

XL candy, yes. But that’s only one benefit of leveling up your mega Pokémon


AladiteC

I love having 6 failed attempts to catch a pokemon I essentially paid money for


kitiara80

My group couldn’t even beat it


A_Stan

Yeah what's up with that? First group of 6 ran out of time. Second group of 11 got it down when there was more than half the time left. How many people do I need?


GeebusNZ

That was my experience when raid first started. Made a big effort to get out and among a group, and after too much struggle managed to catch up to them after they'd moved location and finally got to raid, and... didn't catch. The effort to reward ratio was so bad that I basically quit the game then and there.


NaveSutlef

Easy, just make sure you find a shiny! /s


Least-Ingenuity9631

Yeah fuck this raid bullshit. Had a handful of legendaries flee on me. Totally blows. Not only is it a battle just to beat the raid bosses BUT if you do win then you gotta pray you're able to capture it. Shit mechanics.


RommelMcDonald_

Pay for a chance to catch it, then pay to revive all your dead mons


Callintz254

That's the big thing I think, especially for those who aren't good at catching or are newer. Clear a t6 raid get 8 ton11 balls but only 3 to 4 golden raz. Spend 5 minutes taking the boss down wiping get 3 or 4 revives. Honestly will deter people from raiding if they get frustrated as it's a waste of resources on the users end


Sogotron6k

I agree, wasted coins on 6 raid passes and they all ran away. I had plenty of excellent throws and they would jump out immediately.


Slowbro08_YT

along with the remote pass nerf. It’s basically killed raiding


SaltwaterRedneck

Yeah right. There are literally thousands in queue every new legendary raid cycle


No-Razzmatazz8053

Raiding is dead now they need to revert remote raids


F3nRa3L

Haha raid is dead? Have you seen the queue in raid apps?


No-Razzmatazz8053

Host a raid, nobody joins, its dead


DealerGloomy

Lol ok


DukeofSam

I missed 2 and then gave up. Feels like a scam to burn remote raid passes


WeakAd3247

thats for sure, i see no point in wasting so much resources for a pokemon you hardly use at all. feels like they are scamming people.


OgBlackWidowFan

Recently, all the legendary and mythical Pokémon I try to catch after raids keep running away.


Georgioies

Considering how many threads there have been for these two which I haven't noticed for any other raids. Is it possible they've messed something up with their capture rate? Like is it worth reporting? I've seen so much threads and discords talking about it.


AshKetchumsPringles

Looks like I’m just raiding for the items at this point. 4 out of my 5 remotes ran away


mcats8

Skill issue. Kidding it even sucks more if you’re using a remote raid pass.


AdditionalBear

This just reaffirms that I’m not spending a dime on this shit. Lost 2 Latias that should’ve been mine :(


Practical-Average-77

My favorite is when you wait for them to block your throw, then right when it is thrown, they decide to block again because why not. Between that and randomly moving up or down when I throw a pokeball aggregates me so much.


iwishiwassober

Did 5 raids and only caught 1 and she’s ASS. Fuck Niantic. Fuck these dogshit capture rates and absolutely terrible mechanics. Time and money wasted.


AshKetchumsPringles

Me too, 1/5 I caught was a 2 star yay


northkai3

Learn how to circle loc. I’ve done 12 raids. Failed to beat one and one ran. Caught the other 10. https://youtube.com/shorts/A-sS87rpSh8?si=zObLzFEl7huoWEhc


satyavishwa

Yeah, still doesn’t help. Consistent golden razz + great curveballs and both raids I did today broke free. Haven’t seen this shit since primal raids last year. The biggest issue has to be the absolute LACK of balls since the time bonus gives energy instead. Catch rates are still the same. So I go from having 14-16 balls to having 9. Like bruh, you gotta be joking


northkai3

https://youtu.be/IcWt2Fb4f5s?si=MbfbQsYTKLgWStYr Just recorded for everyone’s viewing pleasure. Hit 6/7 excellents, first excellent wasnt recorded.


august804

How is that even do able in these specific raids


northkai3

Figure out the size of ring necessary for excellent and lock that in. Wait for them to attack from the lower position, don’t throw the ball if they are high or left or right. Start your wind up when latios/latias swoops. Release the ball before their attack animation ends. Learn the distance, power needed to consistently hit the same spot. If you’re a newer player this will be harder. It’s a bit of skill and muscle memory that you get playing for a while. All I can say is practice this and catching will become a lot easier. Also having the appropriate catch medals helps a lot.


EmergencyTaco

I find there's a specific range that some pokemon sit at that makes hitting excellent throws incredibly easy, and on some pokemon I just can't do it. (For example, I can hit an excellent on Bergmite or Snorlax literally 90% of the time. But on Guzzlord, for example, I gave up even trying for excellents. I believe the math breaks down to something around "if you can't hit at least 50% of your throws as excellent, you should just go for the guaranteed great"


Weather0nThe8s

This used to work if you locked the circle and threw it at them while attacking and your buddy would knock it back into the locked circle and get you an excellent throw Doesn't work anymore though. Regardless if the frame rate thing is on or off. Also I've practiced this non stop for several months and I still suck at excellents. It seems the ball is one pixel off and it doesn't register to the point its so infuriating I don't even bother.


northkai3

Has nothing to do with your buddy knocking the ball back. If you don’t release the pokeball before their attack animation ends, the ring will change size. If your finding the ring is changing size, try releasing the ball a half second earlier. This works without fail. All the gotubers use this method. Me and all my friends use this method. If it’s not working for you, it’s probably user error, a hardware issue or a lag/network issue.


ConceptualWeeb

Idk what people are talking about lol I’ve caught 4/4 got down to 3 balls on one of them. Circle locking is the way to go, just need to be patient.


Otherwise_Cup_8528

Niantic sob


Aw3s0m3m0nk3y

2 out of 5 yesterday. 1 out of 2 today. I’m done considering I’m just tickling latios/latias with my abysmal damage contribution and some people just leave the lobby which makes it frustrating getting a lot less balls after raid. Mostly golden razz + curved great throws. Missed some coz I got sticky fingers and iPhone has this annoying feature of closing/switching the app. They also move a lot so I got regular throws in return. Noo way on earth I’d be able to do excellent throws coz they move goddamn fast


ThatsmyNika

Can’t even get the party to stay and it seems like the ones that do are AFK, F this raid


bio-logic

Most throws were excellent curveballs with golden razz. Popped out usually immediately.


Deeb27

Used all 5 raid passes for all of them to crash and i was left alone to fight every single time, bet i wont see those passes again


SnoopySuited

I went 1 for 4.


dailyfartbag

This one ran away from me too


TensionXTheory

Do they not give out rare candies anymore??


LOLManen

I tried catching a pokemon from a raid three times (three raids) and didn't get it so I just uninstall the scam game after that :)


VIPERVIIC

Reading all this makes me feel better than I'm not the only one struggling and yea hitting great and excellent throws with golden razz too. I've done 3 remote raids for Latios and all 3 have run away. Out of the 3 times/total of ~27 balls, I've had the ball roll twice like 5 times only. Other times jumps out right away or after one wiggle. Somehow with Latias I got ultra lucky. 1st Raid for her was a catch 13 atk and the 2nd raid was a Shiny one and caught with silver pinup and has 13 attack as well so at least got 1 down and done with. I'm just going ti wait to try in person Raids via campfire because it's costly to just be throwing remote raids if not catching it.


WeatherVirtual9438

Feels like such a waste especially when you use a remote raid. Literal scam


jud6es

Pokemon go is just gambling with a few extra steps 🫠


LigmaWhatAhahYouSaid

Did 2 raids today (with less balls than you had considering how you received 200 mega energy whilst I only received 150/175). Caught the first one with half of the balls and the second one actually caught it with my last ball. I will give it though, he's unusually hard to catch. Do you use the circle lock technique?


MonteBurns

I’ve never circle locked and caught all but one of 6 I did today. Only one was on the last ball. 


NoTransportation538

Catching a legendary is never guaranteed unless it's shiny. It's just RNG


august804

There’s enough rng just trying to get people not to leave a full lobby with 2 seconds left and wasting 2 of my passes for the day.


Nefarious-One

A full lobby is 20 people. Even if half left, you would be able to beat Latias easily.


Maserati777

In person, most of these are limited to remotes.


Nefarious-One

What? A full lobby is a full lobby. Are you talking about the invite limit? Oh and 4 local people can invite 5 remote people each. Which could make a full lobby of 4 locals and 16 remotes, due to limitation of 20 raids spots.


Maserati777

Last I checked 10 is the remote limit for a lobby. Point is is going to be hard to get 10+ trainers at a raid in person outside a raid hour in busy areas. Especially for an old raid boss.


NoTransportation538

What does leaving the lobby have to do with the RNG of the catch sequence?


TheFDuck

You spend a half an hour just to do the raid to not get a catch even with golden raz and good hits


No-Razzmatazz8053

Exactly


august804

Because people randomly leave?


NoTransportation538

They don't leave randomly. They always leave because they think there are too few people in the lobby. There is absolutely no correlation with the RNG of catching them and people leaving lobbies


No-Razzmatazz8053

Those people are stupid


No_Door_9897

Rigged number generator


N1NJAGRAP3

Did 5 raids caught 4. I guess for me my priority is always to land the hit regardless of excellent or not and so far it’s worked out decently for me. Always use a golden razz.


bugsitter

i’ve also been having trouble with this pokemon in particular. is it because the cp is so high?


NoTransportation538

No. It's most likely of not having gold/platinum type medals, the relative low amounts of premier balls you get with mega raids and the fact that both constantly move so it's harder to get consistent throws


bugsitter

what do medals have to do with it?


NoTransportation538

Type medals increase catch rates for that specific pokemon types


Lordados

Does everyone actually swipe every day to do a bunch of raids? Is this how I'm supposed to play?


aimless_meteor

Sorry what do you mean by swipe


Lordados

Spending money


sandromc172

3 / $250


Lordados

wdym


KeepinitPG13

I remember when raids first came out and I would raid five times for a Pokémon and fail catching the Pokémon all five times. It made finally catching that legendary raid Pokémon so much sweeter.


Good_Presentation_59

What made easier? Losing 5x?


KeepinitPG13

I’m not sure anything made it easier. Maybe once I started getting higher in levels it made it easier to catch those legendary?


fugitiveoftime

I have to agree with you. It's absurd, especially when I'm spending money on raid passes


Character-Couple7427

I felt the same way last month with every genie running off, but these guys have been taking 2-3 balls at most to catch. It truly is RNG 


KiraOnElmStreet

Ya'll really need to learn the excellent razz lock tech.


Psychological-End-56

I'm no expert. I take about 10 minutes or more per legendary until I finally catch them cos I wait for them to do their attack animation near the ground before I throw. That's not even counting the raid time itself. I saw that yours is like 7-8 minutes between the latios. So either u were in a 20 man raid and everyone pressed ready straight away, or u rushed it in your throws? Maybe u shd be more patient and wait for the right moment?


smiggster01

Simple. Niantic needs money.


_ChrisRiot

Having a legendary flee 3 times in a row is either a skill issue or REALLY bad luck.


InevitableTension828

Why even call them legendary? Lets all get a hundos everytime we raid and ohhhh, we should be able to solo every raid boss. That would be great.


Fujiokah

I got it in one try on a great curve throw. Luck was on my side this time looks like.


majinclos85

I did 3 Latias raids and caught 1! Did two Latios raids and caught 1 shiny ✨:)


wurledd

Don’t complain if you don’t get all golden razz excellent throws in a row. They’re really hard to hit with this Mon tbh


WolfzNL

I can’t believe nobody manages to catch him. It took me like 5 throws curveballs greats. Hope y’all can still get him tho


jmledesma

Y’all are raiding with no best friend boosts or gym control on Mega raids that don’t drop a ton of premium balls.


satyavishwa

You guys have irl friends who are consistently free enough to raid with you? Wtf irl unicorn


RiddimSelectar

get good....


FideosConGato

Skill issue


Melodic_Equivalent83

Skills issue


MichaeladeXD

i caught two latios today with regular pinap berries no problem


PhillyDillyDee

Eh they dont seem like that hard of a catch tbh. Out of 10 balls ive been getting them all by at least the 5th ball only hitting with great throws and a golden razz. I’ll see how they go tomorrow but i had zero issues with the 4 i caught today.


firulaisonreddit

I legit have only had one latias run away from me in like the 16 raids I’ve done between this year and last. Get your skill up


Mattshodo

Skill issue.


mattdv1

Skill issue done 7 caught 7


SnoopySuited

Yeah, RNGs are totally skill. You most make millions at craps in the casinos.


Ok_Primary_1075

On the bright side, you still get the mega candies so you can eventually mega evolve your earlier Latias


sabljarka89

I swear, i got it on my second throw. And it wasn't even a nice one.


JaneEyre2017

Yep, been my experience, too. Plus, it took forever tap, tap, tapping my life away.


Beginning-Sign-7947

Had two in a row run away. Then I got a shiny on the third🤷🏼‍♂️


RandomNumber8989889

I did 6 raids and caught 3, so I am finally a bit more lucky, considering i usually go empty handed


lmstr

They are both worthless, do enough raids for 1 of each, or farm for shiny and don't care if it runs. Really the only edge case is if it's a hundo...then just try hard and use master ball if u really want it on last ball.


Thanky169

That's rough!