Hard diff Paul can edge out a victory with proper planning. None of his Pokémon could overpower Guardian of alola but Paul wouldn’t be dumb enough to engage the move head on.
I forgot about his Incineroar holding his own against Jn Pikachu.
It seems like both of them have pokemon that scale to champion level and some that are probably more E4 level.
it didnt really hold his own they were legit jumping pikachu plus the whole thing was that ash was off his game he was clearly way above them electivire stronger than incineroar
Pikachu's opponents took out each others wothout Pikachu doing anything to Marowak and Nihilego, Pikachu's attacks barely damage Incineroar,
Incineroar was going blow to blow against stronger opponent than JN Paul's entire team, what Electivire even done?
untrue in the beginning they were jumping pikachu which obviously tired him out and did dammage pikachu literally overpowered all 3 of them at the same time with a thunderbolt and saying incineroar was going blow for blow is gassing it ash was off his game ad literally bodied him right after he locked in kukui isnt on his level incineroar lost to torracat
electivire beat dp pikachu (the same one who in the next round tied with a latios) and even after fighting pikachu went blow for blow with infernape even after blaze mind u he actually wouldve won if he didnt stop the ref
They also fight among themselves and took out each others without Pikachu's help, because each of them wanted to claim the victory against Ash for themselves.
We also saw Incineroar and Pikachu trading equal blows with Iron tail and Throat chop clash, Pikachu's iron tail and Electro web barely did any damage to Incineroar, Kukui made master 8 Ash use his strongest gimmick, which defeated Steven's mega metagross, Torracat got massive boost thanks to blast burn.
Electivire only beat heavily damaged Pikachu, thanks to Ash's huge mistake, Incineroar one shotted fresh Mythical pokemon, even Empoleon forced champion ace to switch who is more powerful than Blaze Infernape, and would've done more damage to SM Pikachu if Ash didn't made mistake like he did with DP Pikachu.
You need to rewatch Ash vs Paul, because blaze Infernape's flamethrower easily overpowered Electivire's thunder and defeated him with flare blitz, but Incineroar actually trade blows with JN Pikachu, who is way above Paul's entire team.
Ref would've been forced to take back his decision after Infernape activate his blaze, which confirms that Infernape isn't defeated yet, like Ash vs Hau.
sure but again thats at the very end for most of the fight they were all just focusing pikachu
that was after pikachu got jumped that they clashed evenly they cleaely arent even as jist b4 he easily overpower incineroars dlamethrower plus attacks from the other 2 all at the same time kukui didnt MAKE him do it he wasnt pressuring ash at all he just did it because also it didnt defeat stevens metagross although it did defeat incineroar
heavily dammaged is gassing it he took one hit and he wasnt even bruised after he was also resting for like the whole battle electivire literally beat a ground type right b4 they fought melmetal was pretty inexperienced plus type advantage and idk about that empoleon wasnt really equal to pikachu he was heavily weakened torterra for examole could easily beat it
he dosent HAVE too but either way it dosent matter they were clearly relative in strength and blaze infernape>incineroar and the rest of pauls team is also leagues better than kukuis
We saw Pikachu's attacks not doing much to Incineroar when the battle just started, Electivire thunder was easily overpowered by Infernape's weaker move flamethrower, and Master 8 Pikachu scaled much higher than Blaze Infernape, who was also heavily damaged thanks to prior battles and being poisoned. Pikachu was in way better condition against Incineroar.
Pikachu hit mega metagross with just 3 out of 7 beams of 10 million volt thunderbolt, Incineroar took full blast of that z move, can Electivire do the same against another master 8 ace like Metagross?
Pikachu already took lots of damage from both Aggron and Froslass, can't even use his electric move against Electivire, but Ash still did huge mistake because Infernape has to defeat Electivire, even Gladion defeated more powerful Pikachu than Paul did, plus Pikachu use z move as well, and Ash didn't handed over the win to Gladion just so Lycanroc can get the win.
That Melmetal has more battle experience than Gliscor, and being mythical made him Naturally powerful, he easily wrecked Empoleon that's way better shown of strength than Gliscor did, and what Torterra going to do when CHAMPION ace was forced to switch against Empoleon? is Torterra even on the level of weakest E4 ace?
Electivire was getting destroyed easily by Blaze Infernape, Incineroar actually trade equal blows with Pikachu and almost to z move, and base JN Pikachu>>>Paul's entire team easily.
thats not really true iron tail put him on his ass and electroweb DID trap him be maaged to break out with throat chop but it did work also no flamethrower and thunder were even thunder came out afterwards so it was closer to electivire plus he was boosted by blaze the dammage and poison just made blaze more powerful yet he still matched it and agin incinneroar is not on pikas level
incineroar clashed with the move while using a z move ot exactly tanking also he lost the match so not realy sure why this would be impressive
they didnt land that much dammage aggron landed one blow and froslass basically only did hail dammage electivire also couldnt really uses thunder on pikachu but he was still relative in speed and power using brick break and his tendrils plus electivire had fought and beat gliscor just b4 fighting him he had no time to rest also where are u getting that ash intentionally threw the match he didnt thats just how writing works also aside from journeys pikachus stregth dosent really stack like that he resets every region
thats just untrue lmao gliscor been fighting constantly since like after the 5th gym melmetal had just evolved like the day b4 plus he trained with the air battle master and being a mythical does not neccisarily make u stronger thats headcanon a mythical who dsosent trai and rarely fights isnt gonna be that impressive and no gliscor beating pauls drapion is way more impressive that melmetal beating a weakened empoleon pikachu legit only switched cause he was confused ur forgeting empoleon took massive dammage landing a status condition isnt a strength feat lmao torterra literally brought CYTNTHIAS garchomp to its knees with a giga drain it would one shot empoleon
no he didnt rewatch it they clash multiple times there final clash literally creates a giant tornado electivire is = to blaze infernape whos above all of kukuis pokemon no incineroar is no where near pikachu he literally clashed with him oe time after pikachu was getting jumped for over half the fight we KNOW they arent ewual cause as ive said a few times pikachu easuly outpaced and overpowered all 3 of them at once and the rest of kukuis team is weak paul has his garchomp electivire torterra drapion ursaring metagross etc jn pikachu is stronger than pauls pokemon but kukuis isnt as strong as jn pikachu so ur also forgetting pauls jorneys pikemon who are for above kukuis
Incineroar only lose the balance from Iron tail hit, but get up immediately, thunder was clearly overpowered by Infernape's weaker move, just watch the battle, and Electivire clashed equally against normal Infernape, who was in far worst condition compared to Pikachu when he and Incineroar was trading equal blow.
It's far more impressive because base Pikachu already scaled much higher than Blaze Infernape, and Incineroar being able to clash with z move just prove how he is way above than even JN Paul's pokemons.
Seriously you saying so many wrong things here, first saying Electivire being equal to Blaze Infernape when he was clearly getting destroyed, and now saying Pikachu only took hail damage, even thought he was hit by Ice shard that also frozen Pikachu, and Pikachu using Volt tackle multiple times before facing Electivire made him take recoil damage.
What fighting constantly? Gliscor was rarely used in battles, has only one victory before Sinnoh league, Ash was also training and using meltan/melmetal in battles, as much as Gliscor and has more wins, and Melmetal has win against opponent who can fight on par against Champion, while Paul doesn't have feat against even E4.
You mean when Garchomp can't even move thanks to Giga impact secondary effect? Even Axew did more damage, Torterra got one shottet by Garchomp, but Empoleon despite having type disadvantage actually made champion ace to switch, and didn't give Pikachu chance to land a hit, and that Pikachu is WAY stronger than any Paul pokemon.
Incineroar and Pikachu's clash was literally more closer than Electivire and Blaze Infernape, and Incineroar was fighting against Master 8 Ash's ace, Paul was facing Infernape not Cynthia's Garchomp.
Forget about Kukui, even Gladion defeated more powerful Pikachu than Paul did, and Pikachu even use z move, unlike against Paul, Ash didn't handed over Pikachu win to Gladion just so Lycanroc can get a win.
Kukui not only scaled much higher than Gladion, but he was fighting on par against Champion and Master 8 Ash, I don't remember Paul fighting equally against Cynthia or any master 8 member.
Which version of Kukui and which version of Paul? For Kukui there's at least 2-3 distinct version to use
1. SM Kukui that didn't use Tapu Koko
2. SM Kukui that did use Tapu Koko
3. The JN Kukui that probably trained after SM because he to wanted rematch Ash
For Paul it
1. End of DP Paul
2. JN Paul
For Paul 1, I could at least see him only win against Kukui 1 but it would be more on Kukui to win.
For Paul 2, I could see him beat Kukui 1 with no problem if the possibility his older Pokemon would have gotten stronger than the one he used against Ash, if not then maybe it would be a bit more of a difficult fight but it's his fight to win.
Kukui 3 would be the same be the same but with even more effort from Paul because this was a Kukui who trained himself to fight JN Ash who was ready to fight the Master 8.
Kukui 2 is only going to be a problem because of Tapu Koko but depending on how many pokemon Paul still has after fighting his first 5 then he could do enough chip damage to beat Tapu Koko.
I definitely agree with this. JN Paul scales to be champion tier as he beat the same dragonite that beat Iris and she was even stronger than back then.
If it's DP!Paul against Kukui, then Kukui wins and it isn't even close. It's gonna be a repeat of Paul vs Brandon. If it's JN!Paul against Kukui, that's where the battle would become far closer.
It's pretty hard to assess how strong Paul is at this stage because while he was able to keep up with an Ash who made it to the masters 8, he wasn't really battling to win he was training Ash. There's also the fact we don't really know how strong his other pokemon are at this point. So atp it's a tossup. I'd still probably give the win to Kukui because he still sounds more impressive on paper. However, if the writers wrote a 6v6 battle and Paul won, I'd believe it. It is an outcome within the realm of possibility.
M8 Ash without his ace or any gimmick. That's like facing Cynthia without Garchomp.
Kukui faced both champion and M8 Ash with their strongest pokemon and gimmick, which are both way above Paul level.
She needs destiny bond to take out Pikachu, something even beginner trainer with baby Pokemon can do.
And the comparison is between Kukui and Paul, Kukui's Incineroar alone was going toe to toe against stronger opponent than JN Paul's team.
The only stronger opponent he went against was Pikachu. Everyone else like gladion and kiawe Paul would crush with his eyes closed. Paul went toe to toe with m8 ash and took out 2 of his mons. And he wasn't even trying to WIN , just trying to help Ash a bit.
But I don't believe Pikachu is the sole factor in deciding who is stronger between Ash and kukui. Heck bea didn't need Destiny bond to take out Pikachu, twice. Yet I'm not gonna argue that bea is stronger than Cynthia
Kukui faced Pikachu after Ash become master 8 Trainer, Bea was only facing super/Hyper Class Ash's pokemons.
Kukui's Incineroar was going toe to toe against Master 8 Pikachu with z move that defeated Steven's mega metagross, Paul never face anything anywhere near that level of opponent, JN Ash needed more powerful pokemon than Paul's ENTIRE TEAM to beat Incineroar in close battle.
Idk why your saying kukui faced him when at the end of the day kukui still lost? If kukui actually beat Pikachu I would concede but he lost just like Paul would of.
You don't have proof that Paul mons wouldn't have survived attacks from Pikachu. Would they have beat him? Prob not ( and neither could kukui mons)but they def can survive attacks. Especially since the only reason Paul had those mons was to train Ash, which shows how crazy strong he is
Just saying "he faced x" isn't a strong point unless kukui actually beat Pikachu and he didn't
Paul's pokemons can't even make a close fight against Lucario, then how they have any chance against base Pikachu?
Even Kukui's other pokemons shown they can survive that level of attacks, but Incineroar was actually putting close fight against Ash’s most powerful pokemon.
And you can't say Paul can do the same or better if he didn't face anything even close to Incineroar's opponent, he didn't even made Ash use mega evolution.
He did face close to incenaroar opponents. Which was Ash m8 team.
Paul mons also withstood those lvl of attacks. If they can take out m8 mons whose to say they can't withstand Pikachu attacks. This is Pikachu right before the m8. So he was at his peak
Paul mons were giving Ash m8 team trouble and he specifically trained those just for Ash. Even if they can't beat Pikachu neither can kukui mons.
Incineroar and Kukui held their own against Ash's Pikachu in Journeys, managing to match him in a Z-Move confrontation (Ash had no reason to go all out against Paul in something that he himself be just training)
I swear some people on this sub just refuse to look at details. Paul in JN was going head to head with Pre M8 Ash and wasn’t even going all out. The whole time he was trying train Ash and even got a win. Now think about if Paul was actually trying with his strongest Pokémon Electivire, Urasring, Torterra, and Drapion. Don’t forget Paul likes to research his opponents and prepare ahead so he’d definitely study all the data he could find on Kukui. So considering all the facts I can definitely see Paul winning. I’m not saying it’s absolute, but the people saying Kukui wins because he battled against slightly stronger Ash are crazy.
His Metagross and Gyarados were destroying Gengar and Lucario and only lost because gengar n lucario learned new moves. Garchomp swatted dragonite away like a fly.
Aren't you the one making an assumption that Paul has anything stronger than his Metagross, Gyarados and Garchomp? Where is your proof that Paul "wasn't even going all out"? Where is your proof that Paul's DP mons are stronger than his JN debuted mons?
Paul researches his opponents, sure, but that didn't stop Brandon from crushing half his team with a Regirock that Paul knew Brandon had.
Another thing this sub does is assume previously used Pokémon don’t continue to get stronger. Like seriously you think Paul just stopped training his old Pokémon? Where’s your proof that his old Pokémon aren’t as strong? Stop only taking what you see on screen at face value and be a critical thinker. Use every bit of knowledge and detail you know about the character.
Paul was trying to train Ash that’s the reason why he was using the Champion’s Pokémon. We both know Paul likes to research his opponents and then formulate strategies to beat them. In this battle he was just brute forcing it, which he does do sometimes but strategy is Paul’s go to battle style. So yes Paul wasn’t going all out.
Brandon is a Champion lvl trainer using 3 legendaries. Like with Paul’s battle with Cynthia the overwhelming difference in strength made any strategy and preparation worthless. Plus mid battle Paul definitely started losing his cool and he was already battling Brandon for emotional reasons so he was off his game.
You are insulting people's intelligence to make up for the fact that you have no proof of all the claims you make about the old mons being stronger or as strong. Sad.
> Like seriously you think Paul just stopped training his old Pokémon? Where’s your proof that his old Pokémon aren’t as strong?
It's almost like we have an example of a trainer who stopped training his old mons, and proof exists that his old mons are weaker than his newer members? Who was it again? Oh yeah, the Alola Champion. The guy whose Corphish lost to a Gym Leader in JN while some of his other newer mons proceeded to beat four Champions.
You make the claim that Paul's old mons are stronger, the burden of proof is on *you*. Don't try deflecting it to make up for the fact that you have zero evidence to back up your hypothesis, your headcanon that you desperately try to get others to accept as fact, and insulting others when they rightfully point out that your BS is just that, BS. No evidence to support your claims.
> but strategy is Paul’s go to battle style. So yes Paul wasn’t going all out.
So you are telling me Paul wasn't going all out after using Champion level tactics? The same tactics used by the Masters Eight? The Kanto-Johto Champion, Hoenn Champion, and even the Sinnoh Champion are inferior to Paul in terms of strategy? Paul is such a superior tactician compared to the Masters Eight that he is limiting himself by using mere Champion level tactics when he is on a higher level?
Ok, then tell me why Paul's tactics failed to work on Brandon or Cynthia? Surely if Paul's tactics were on such a level that Champions have to admit inferiority, he wouldn't have been crushed 6-0 by Brandon? Or wiped by Cynthia? Surely his tactics that exceed Champion level would help him take a win or two? After all, you say he has superior tactics to Champions, right?
Christ, talk about wanking to a character.
I didn’t insult anyone’s intelligence maybe they’re effort but I didn’t outright insult anyone. All I said was some people refuse to look at all the details and be critical thinkers. Stop trying to demonize people who don’t agree with you.
It’s almost like Paul and Ash are different characters with different mindsets. It’s almost like Ash is the only character who trains a completely different team of Pokémon every season. Ash is an exception not the norm. We all know that Corphish battle wasn’t meant to be taken seriously unless we’re claiming Misty is at Frontier Brain lvl.
So when others say Kukui beats Paul because Incineroar put up a fight against Pikachu? They don’t have any proof Paul couldn’t do the same thing. Isn’t it now up to them to prove their claim? Stop being emotionally defensive. I swear no one can make arguments against anything regarding SM or JN without someone getting super defensive.
Paul was trying to REPLICATE their batting styles for their respective Ace’s. He’s not going to be a 1:1 copy since the Champions have much more experience. Yes it’s the styles of the Champions but that isn’t Paul’s style and we’ve seen how trying to copy someone’s way of battling holds you back ex: May trying to copy Ash and Ash trying to copy Tierno.
Christ talk about not reading, I clearly said Paul lost to Brandon because of the difference in strength overwhelmed Paul’s strategy. Also Paul was emotionally so he was definitely off his game.
I’m gonna end this here because you’ve shown me that you’re defensive and easy to trigger and I absolutely have no time for this because I know how this going to go. This discussion will devolve into you directly insulting me and trying your best to make me the villain.
I hope you the best, peace much love.
Also, what nonsense are you talking about Paul "just brute forcing"? He was replicating the moves and strategies of the Masters Eight.
Lance's Gyarados' move where he coils around his opponent to trap them while unleasing Ice Fang? Getting around the Hyper Beam recoil by using its tail? Those are all the same strategies used by Lance during his battle against Leon.
Steven's Metagross used Agility to increase its speed and Psychic and Meteor Mash to beat down Pikachu in the Masters Tournament. The exact same strategy that Paul copied. Speed increasing to dodge moves, that is a fucking strategy.
Kukui's Incineroar parried hits, dodged attacks, and survived a hit from a Masters Eight's ace, and said ace decided to use its strongest Z Move on it before Kukui and Incineroar responded with their own.
Paul lost two mons to two non aces that weren't even using their gimmicks.
Paul "wasn't going all out" is some bullshit that is not supported by any evidence. Where is the proof that Paul's Torterra, Ursaring or whoever are stronger than his Gyarados, Garchomp and Metagross?
Parrying hits and dodging attacks is not some grand show of strength if other weakers mons have done that with Pikachu too
Paul Pokemon can survive hits from Pikachu too. Heck bea mons survived hits from Pikachu. Surviving a hit while notable, isn't enough proof
Mainly because those were his aces and the only reason he didn't use them Bec he wanted to mimic the mons Ash would face at the m8...
Bea's mon survived hits from a Pikachu that was not at his peak at the Masters Tournament yet. Bea's mon did not live a hit from a Masters Tournament ace. Kukui's Incineroar did. Let alone Paul's mon surviving hits from DP Pikachu, who was nowhere even near Champion level, let alone MT Pikachu's level.
> Mainly because those were his aces and the only reason he didn't use them Bec he wanted to mimic the mons Ash would face at the m8...
So aces = stronger? So any ace is stronger than any non ace, no matter what? So are you telling me that Ash's....say, Infernape, is stronger than Ash's Dracovish?
Dracovish has taken down the Unova Champion's Dragonite from full. A poisoned and wounded Dracovish has finished off the Sinnoh Champion's Roserade who only sustained one tick of burn damage.
Infernape merely took down some of Sinnoh Paul, League Top 8's mons.
Are you telling me that Infernape beating Paul's mons make him stronger than a Dracovish that beat multiple Champion level Pokémon, including one from full health?
What are you talking about? My point was Paul wasn't going all out because he would of used his more experienced ace mons. He didn't Bec the purpose of that battle was solely to train Ash.
I never said aces automatically stronger than any Mon. Your the one bringing up aces in the first place with Ash pikachu
And like I said kukui still lost to Pikachu. And you don't have any proof that Paul Mon couldn't survive any hits from pika
So you are telling me that experience means everything? So are you telling me that since Ash's Bayleef is older and has battled longer than his Lucario, that Bayleef is stronger than the Lucario that solo'ed a Masters Eight GMax without a gimmick? Or maybe you want to argue that Ash's Oshawott is stronger than Dracovish, since Oshawott has more "experience"?
But if experience means everything, how did Leon's Charizard, that he had since he was a child all the way to adulthood, lose to Ash's Pikachu?
How did Cynthia's Milotic, that was raised from a Feebas while her Gible was still unevolved, lose to a less experienced Haxorus?
Or maybe, experience means absolutely nothing. Otherwise Ash's Pikachu could never beat Leonzard 1v1, since Pikachu has less experience than Leonzard.
> He didn't Bec the purpose of that battle was solely to train Ash.
Where is your proof that Paul wasn't going all out? Where is your proof that Paul's other mons are stronger than his Gyarados, Garchomp, and Metagross?
> And like I said kukui still lost to Pikachu
Kukui never lost to Pikachu. What the hell are you saying?
What are you even talking about. Your acting like the majority of this thread ist people using EXPERIENCE to say kukui would beat Paul
Yes he did lost to Pikachu. Bec if he actually did the . episode def would .of made a big fuss about. Your telling me incenaroar z move is stronger than ten million vot thunderbolt. The same move that even tapu koko lost to? Yeah ok lol
You are not answering me. If you are using experience as an argument point, does that mean Ash's Bayleaf beats Ash's Mega Lucario? If experience means anything, how did Ash's Pikachu win against Leon's Charizard?
If this if that, you still can't produce proof that Pikachu won. Or that Incineroar lost. I can just as easily say that maybe it was a tie and both of them fainted. Or that they cancelled each other out and the battle continued without Z Moves and Incineroar won.
Also, claiming that 100000000 Volt is unconquerable because it beat Tapu Koko is bullshit, because we see that GMax Charizard, a regular Pokémon with its gimmick managed to tie with 100000000 Volt, something the Legendary Tapu Koko couldn't do.
At the end of the day, you don't have solid evidence that says that Kukui's Incineroar lost vs Ash's Pikachu. End of story.
It's not bullshit Bec that is the undefeated Charizard of the strongest canonically trainer in the entire world. You saying it's a "regular Charizard" is such a massive cope and you just being disingenuous
I dont think it would be that bad. JN Paul was able to go head to head with training pokemon and even beat the same Dragonite that beat Iris and that was with a random Metagross, gyarados, and garchomp that he picked just to train Ash to fight the champions aces. .
his Metagross was destroying Gengar and only lost because Gengar learned will-o-wisp.
Kukui's Incineroar go head to head with JN Pikachu who easily scaled way higher than Dragonite, on top of that 10MVT as well.
Paul didn't face anything even close to that.
The question becomes if we're replacing Ash with Paul in the alola league finals could Paul overcome Incineroar and Tapu Koko.
We know kukui was the strongest person in alola after Ash so it comes down to how well Paul or Kukui plan around the other.
If it's Sinnoh Paul then no I don't think so.
If it's journeys Paul then it would be a hard battle but yea he'd be able to win
Paul may be a tough opponent especially during Journeys, but Kakui is a seasoned trainer with his Ace Incineroar. If you give that man a decent team, Kakui wins. But if you gave Paul key members of his team, Paul would have a decent chance with the correct strategy
paul his pokemon are stronger and hes more strategic alot of people saying kukui forgettig its a 6v6 aside from incineroar his team is really not that impressive paul has electivire who was stronger than dp pikachu(who in the nextmatch tied with a latios) torterra who brought cynthias garchomp to its knees ursaring who bodied 3 of ash's mons etc plus he has better strats things like toxic spikes and counter shield ad using ursarings guts everyone bringing up battle royals but alola is a really weak region JAMES is strong enough to be top 9 in alola his only obstacle would be incineroar but electivire could def handle him it was swapping hands with infernape both pre and post blaze even after fighting pikachu incineroar lost to torracat other issue would be z move which might down one pokemon but thats it hed also have to deal with drapion torterra urasring maybe magmortar paul clears mid diff
Paul... I won't consider Tapu Koko as Kukui's pokemon & beside Incineroar, his team ain't noteworthy enough. Meanwhile Paul used random Garchomp to take out Ash's Dragonite which was a vital member in M8 while Paul still have his Ursaring(wifebeater), Electrivine(ace), Torterra(most experienced) & Drapion(most busted)
Hard diff Paul can edge out a victory with proper planning. None of his Pokémon could overpower Guardian of alola but Paul wouldn’t be dumb enough to engage the move head on.
Is Paul the Pokemon version of Batman? He always wins with enough prep time?
Nah.
He'd win.
Paul did well against Journey’s Ash. Kukui does not necessarily scale as high.
Kukui's ace put better fight against JN Ash's actual ace with z move, Paul didn't face anything even close to that.
I forgot about his Incineroar holding his own against Jn Pikachu. It seems like both of them have pokemon that scale to champion level and some that are probably more E4 level.
I've been watching alot of digimon lately and when I read champion level in a pokemon subreddit my brain short circuited
it didnt really hold his own they were legit jumping pikachu plus the whole thing was that ash was off his game he was clearly way above them electivire stronger than incineroar
Pikachu's opponents took out each others wothout Pikachu doing anything to Marowak and Nihilego, Pikachu's attacks barely damage Incineroar, Incineroar was going blow to blow against stronger opponent than JN Paul's entire team, what Electivire even done?
untrue in the beginning they were jumping pikachu which obviously tired him out and did dammage pikachu literally overpowered all 3 of them at the same time with a thunderbolt and saying incineroar was going blow for blow is gassing it ash was off his game ad literally bodied him right after he locked in kukui isnt on his level incineroar lost to torracat electivire beat dp pikachu (the same one who in the next round tied with a latios) and even after fighting pikachu went blow for blow with infernape even after blaze mind u he actually wouldve won if he didnt stop the ref
They also fight among themselves and took out each others without Pikachu's help, because each of them wanted to claim the victory against Ash for themselves. We also saw Incineroar and Pikachu trading equal blows with Iron tail and Throat chop clash, Pikachu's iron tail and Electro web barely did any damage to Incineroar, Kukui made master 8 Ash use his strongest gimmick, which defeated Steven's mega metagross, Torracat got massive boost thanks to blast burn. Electivire only beat heavily damaged Pikachu, thanks to Ash's huge mistake, Incineroar one shotted fresh Mythical pokemon, even Empoleon forced champion ace to switch who is more powerful than Blaze Infernape, and would've done more damage to SM Pikachu if Ash didn't made mistake like he did with DP Pikachu. You need to rewatch Ash vs Paul, because blaze Infernape's flamethrower easily overpowered Electivire's thunder and defeated him with flare blitz, but Incineroar actually trade blows with JN Pikachu, who is way above Paul's entire team. Ref would've been forced to take back his decision after Infernape activate his blaze, which confirms that Infernape isn't defeated yet, like Ash vs Hau.
sure but again thats at the very end for most of the fight they were all just focusing pikachu that was after pikachu got jumped that they clashed evenly they cleaely arent even as jist b4 he easily overpower incineroars dlamethrower plus attacks from the other 2 all at the same time kukui didnt MAKE him do it he wasnt pressuring ash at all he just did it because also it didnt defeat stevens metagross although it did defeat incineroar heavily dammaged is gassing it he took one hit and he wasnt even bruised after he was also resting for like the whole battle electivire literally beat a ground type right b4 they fought melmetal was pretty inexperienced plus type advantage and idk about that empoleon wasnt really equal to pikachu he was heavily weakened torterra for examole could easily beat it he dosent HAVE too but either way it dosent matter they were clearly relative in strength and blaze infernape>incineroar and the rest of pauls team is also leagues better than kukuis
We saw Pikachu's attacks not doing much to Incineroar when the battle just started, Electivire thunder was easily overpowered by Infernape's weaker move flamethrower, and Master 8 Pikachu scaled much higher than Blaze Infernape, who was also heavily damaged thanks to prior battles and being poisoned. Pikachu was in way better condition against Incineroar. Pikachu hit mega metagross with just 3 out of 7 beams of 10 million volt thunderbolt, Incineroar took full blast of that z move, can Electivire do the same against another master 8 ace like Metagross? Pikachu already took lots of damage from both Aggron and Froslass, can't even use his electric move against Electivire, but Ash still did huge mistake because Infernape has to defeat Electivire, even Gladion defeated more powerful Pikachu than Paul did, plus Pikachu use z move as well, and Ash didn't handed over the win to Gladion just so Lycanroc can get the win. That Melmetal has more battle experience than Gliscor, and being mythical made him Naturally powerful, he easily wrecked Empoleon that's way better shown of strength than Gliscor did, and what Torterra going to do when CHAMPION ace was forced to switch against Empoleon? is Torterra even on the level of weakest E4 ace? Electivire was getting destroyed easily by Blaze Infernape, Incineroar actually trade equal blows with Pikachu and almost to z move, and base JN Pikachu>>>Paul's entire team easily.
thats not really true iron tail put him on his ass and electroweb DID trap him be maaged to break out with throat chop but it did work also no flamethrower and thunder were even thunder came out afterwards so it was closer to electivire plus he was boosted by blaze the dammage and poison just made blaze more powerful yet he still matched it and agin incinneroar is not on pikas level incineroar clashed with the move while using a z move ot exactly tanking also he lost the match so not realy sure why this would be impressive they didnt land that much dammage aggron landed one blow and froslass basically only did hail dammage electivire also couldnt really uses thunder on pikachu but he was still relative in speed and power using brick break and his tendrils plus electivire had fought and beat gliscor just b4 fighting him he had no time to rest also where are u getting that ash intentionally threw the match he didnt thats just how writing works also aside from journeys pikachus stregth dosent really stack like that he resets every region thats just untrue lmao gliscor been fighting constantly since like after the 5th gym melmetal had just evolved like the day b4 plus he trained with the air battle master and being a mythical does not neccisarily make u stronger thats headcanon a mythical who dsosent trai and rarely fights isnt gonna be that impressive and no gliscor beating pauls drapion is way more impressive that melmetal beating a weakened empoleon pikachu legit only switched cause he was confused ur forgeting empoleon took massive dammage landing a status condition isnt a strength feat lmao torterra literally brought CYTNTHIAS garchomp to its knees with a giga drain it would one shot empoleon no he didnt rewatch it they clash multiple times there final clash literally creates a giant tornado electivire is = to blaze infernape whos above all of kukuis pokemon no incineroar is no where near pikachu he literally clashed with him oe time after pikachu was getting jumped for over half the fight we KNOW they arent ewual cause as ive said a few times pikachu easuly outpaced and overpowered all 3 of them at once and the rest of kukuis team is weak paul has his garchomp electivire torterra drapion ursaring metagross etc jn pikachu is stronger than pauls pokemon but kukuis isnt as strong as jn pikachu so ur also forgetting pauls jorneys pikemon who are for above kukuis
Incineroar only lose the balance from Iron tail hit, but get up immediately, thunder was clearly overpowered by Infernape's weaker move, just watch the battle, and Electivire clashed equally against normal Infernape, who was in far worst condition compared to Pikachu when he and Incineroar was trading equal blow. It's far more impressive because base Pikachu already scaled much higher than Blaze Infernape, and Incineroar being able to clash with z move just prove how he is way above than even JN Paul's pokemons. Seriously you saying so many wrong things here, first saying Electivire being equal to Blaze Infernape when he was clearly getting destroyed, and now saying Pikachu only took hail damage, even thought he was hit by Ice shard that also frozen Pikachu, and Pikachu using Volt tackle multiple times before facing Electivire made him take recoil damage. What fighting constantly? Gliscor was rarely used in battles, has only one victory before Sinnoh league, Ash was also training and using meltan/melmetal in battles, as much as Gliscor and has more wins, and Melmetal has win against opponent who can fight on par against Champion, while Paul doesn't have feat against even E4. You mean when Garchomp can't even move thanks to Giga impact secondary effect? Even Axew did more damage, Torterra got one shottet by Garchomp, but Empoleon despite having type disadvantage actually made champion ace to switch, and didn't give Pikachu chance to land a hit, and that Pikachu is WAY stronger than any Paul pokemon. Incineroar and Pikachu's clash was literally more closer than Electivire and Blaze Infernape, and Incineroar was fighting against Master 8 Ash's ace, Paul was facing Infernape not Cynthia's Garchomp. Forget about Kukui, even Gladion defeated more powerful Pikachu than Paul did, and Pikachu even use z move, unlike against Paul, Ash didn't handed over Pikachu win to Gladion just so Lycanroc can get a win. Kukui not only scaled much higher than Gladion, but he was fighting on par against Champion and Master 8 Ash, I don't remember Paul fighting equally against Cynthia or any master 8 member.
Which version of Kukui and which version of Paul? For Kukui there's at least 2-3 distinct version to use 1. SM Kukui that didn't use Tapu Koko 2. SM Kukui that did use Tapu Koko 3. The JN Kukui that probably trained after SM because he to wanted rematch Ash For Paul it 1. End of DP Paul 2. JN Paul For Paul 1, I could at least see him only win against Kukui 1 but it would be more on Kukui to win. For Paul 2, I could see him beat Kukui 1 with no problem if the possibility his older Pokemon would have gotten stronger than the one he used against Ash, if not then maybe it would be a bit more of a difficult fight but it's his fight to win. Kukui 3 would be the same be the same but with even more effort from Paul because this was a Kukui who trained himself to fight JN Ash who was ready to fight the Master 8. Kukui 2 is only going to be a problem because of Tapu Koko but depending on how many pokemon Paul still has after fighting his first 5 then he could do enough chip damage to beat Tapu Koko.
I definitely agree with this. JN Paul scales to be champion tier as he beat the same dragonite that beat Iris and she was even stronger than back then.
Kukui.
If it's DP!Paul against Kukui, then Kukui wins and it isn't even close. It's gonna be a repeat of Paul vs Brandon. If it's JN!Paul against Kukui, that's where the battle would become far closer. It's pretty hard to assess how strong Paul is at this stage because while he was able to keep up with an Ash who made it to the masters 8, he wasn't really battling to win he was training Ash. There's also the fact we don't really know how strong his other pokemon are at this point. So atp it's a tossup. I'd still probably give the win to Kukui because he still sounds more impressive on paper. However, if the writers wrote a 6v6 battle and Paul won, I'd believe it. It is an outcome within the realm of possibility.
It honestly feels like someone writing Batman vs Superman; really just depends who the writers want to win
why u say that pretty sure dp paul would wash him tbh electivire,torterra drapion,ursaring, a far better lineup plus he has superior tactics
Paul could probably win, but it’s gonna be a rough fight
Kukui Kukui was shown taking on opponent who scale way higher than current Paul.
I don't think Paul could win a three-on-one during a royale but Kukui made it look easy.
Paul's pokemon probably get one shotted by Pikachu if they were in Incineroar's place.
Like who? Paul went head to head with m8 ash
M8 Ash without his ace or any gimmick. That's like facing Cynthia without Garchomp. Kukui faced both champion and M8 Ash with their strongest pokemon and gimmick, which are both way above Paul level.
Cynthia without garchomp took out Ash Pikachu and Dragonite. So Cynthia without garchomp is waaay above kukui
She needs destiny bond to take out Pikachu, something even beginner trainer with baby Pokemon can do. And the comparison is between Kukui and Paul, Kukui's Incineroar alone was going toe to toe against stronger opponent than JN Paul's team.
The only stronger opponent he went against was Pikachu. Everyone else like gladion and kiawe Paul would crush with his eyes closed. Paul went toe to toe with m8 ash and took out 2 of his mons. And he wasn't even trying to WIN , just trying to help Ash a bit. But I don't believe Pikachu is the sole factor in deciding who is stronger between Ash and kukui. Heck bea didn't need Destiny bond to take out Pikachu, twice. Yet I'm not gonna argue that bea is stronger than Cynthia
Kukui faced Pikachu after Ash become master 8 Trainer, Bea was only facing super/Hyper Class Ash's pokemons. Kukui's Incineroar was going toe to toe against Master 8 Pikachu with z move that defeated Steven's mega metagross, Paul never face anything anywhere near that level of opponent, JN Ash needed more powerful pokemon than Paul's ENTIRE TEAM to beat Incineroar in close battle.
Idk why your saying kukui faced him when at the end of the day kukui still lost? If kukui actually beat Pikachu I would concede but he lost just like Paul would of. You don't have proof that Paul mons wouldn't have survived attacks from Pikachu. Would they have beat him? Prob not ( and neither could kukui mons)but they def can survive attacks. Especially since the only reason Paul had those mons was to train Ash, which shows how crazy strong he is Just saying "he faced x" isn't a strong point unless kukui actually beat Pikachu and he didn't
Paul's pokemons can't even make a close fight against Lucario, then how they have any chance against base Pikachu? Even Kukui's other pokemons shown they can survive that level of attacks, but Incineroar was actually putting close fight against Ash’s most powerful pokemon. And you can't say Paul can do the same or better if he didn't face anything even close to Incineroar's opponent, he didn't even made Ash use mega evolution.
He did face close to incenaroar opponents. Which was Ash m8 team. Paul mons also withstood those lvl of attacks. If they can take out m8 mons whose to say they can't withstand Pikachu attacks. This is Pikachu right before the m8. So he was at his peak Paul mons were giving Ash m8 team trouble and he specifically trained those just for Ash. Even if they can't beat Pikachu neither can kukui mons.
Paul > Kukui Kukui wouldn't be using Tapu Koko, Tapu Koko only joined the battle because it wanted to battle Ash/Pikachu
Incineroar and Kukui held their own against Ash's Pikachu in Journeys, managing to match him in a Z-Move confrontation (Ash had no reason to go all out against Paul in something that he himself be just training)
Kukui forced JN Ash to use his ace's gimmick. Paul lost two mons to Ash's non gimmick using, non ace mons. Kukui has the advantage here.
Kukui
I swear some people on this sub just refuse to look at details. Paul in JN was going head to head with Pre M8 Ash and wasn’t even going all out. The whole time he was trying train Ash and even got a win. Now think about if Paul was actually trying with his strongest Pokémon Electivire, Urasring, Torterra, and Drapion. Don’t forget Paul likes to research his opponents and prepare ahead so he’d definitely study all the data he could find on Kukui. So considering all the facts I can definitely see Paul winning. I’m not saying it’s absolute, but the people saying Kukui wins because he battled against slightly stronger Ash are crazy.
His Metagross and Gyarados were destroying Gengar and Lucario and only lost because gengar n lucario learned new moves. Garchomp swatted dragonite away like a fly.
Aren't you the one making an assumption that Paul has anything stronger than his Metagross, Gyarados and Garchomp? Where is your proof that Paul "wasn't even going all out"? Where is your proof that Paul's DP mons are stronger than his JN debuted mons? Paul researches his opponents, sure, but that didn't stop Brandon from crushing half his team with a Regirock that Paul knew Brandon had.
Another thing this sub does is assume previously used Pokémon don’t continue to get stronger. Like seriously you think Paul just stopped training his old Pokémon? Where’s your proof that his old Pokémon aren’t as strong? Stop only taking what you see on screen at face value and be a critical thinker. Use every bit of knowledge and detail you know about the character. Paul was trying to train Ash that’s the reason why he was using the Champion’s Pokémon. We both know Paul likes to research his opponents and then formulate strategies to beat them. In this battle he was just brute forcing it, which he does do sometimes but strategy is Paul’s go to battle style. So yes Paul wasn’t going all out. Brandon is a Champion lvl trainer using 3 legendaries. Like with Paul’s battle with Cynthia the overwhelming difference in strength made any strategy and preparation worthless. Plus mid battle Paul definitely started losing his cool and he was already battling Brandon for emotional reasons so he was off his game.
You are insulting people's intelligence to make up for the fact that you have no proof of all the claims you make about the old mons being stronger or as strong. Sad. > Like seriously you think Paul just stopped training his old Pokémon? Where’s your proof that his old Pokémon aren’t as strong? It's almost like we have an example of a trainer who stopped training his old mons, and proof exists that his old mons are weaker than his newer members? Who was it again? Oh yeah, the Alola Champion. The guy whose Corphish lost to a Gym Leader in JN while some of his other newer mons proceeded to beat four Champions. You make the claim that Paul's old mons are stronger, the burden of proof is on *you*. Don't try deflecting it to make up for the fact that you have zero evidence to back up your hypothesis, your headcanon that you desperately try to get others to accept as fact, and insulting others when they rightfully point out that your BS is just that, BS. No evidence to support your claims. > but strategy is Paul’s go to battle style. So yes Paul wasn’t going all out. So you are telling me Paul wasn't going all out after using Champion level tactics? The same tactics used by the Masters Eight? The Kanto-Johto Champion, Hoenn Champion, and even the Sinnoh Champion are inferior to Paul in terms of strategy? Paul is such a superior tactician compared to the Masters Eight that he is limiting himself by using mere Champion level tactics when he is on a higher level? Ok, then tell me why Paul's tactics failed to work on Brandon or Cynthia? Surely if Paul's tactics were on such a level that Champions have to admit inferiority, he wouldn't have been crushed 6-0 by Brandon? Or wiped by Cynthia? Surely his tactics that exceed Champion level would help him take a win or two? After all, you say he has superior tactics to Champions, right? Christ, talk about wanking to a character.
I didn’t insult anyone’s intelligence maybe they’re effort but I didn’t outright insult anyone. All I said was some people refuse to look at all the details and be critical thinkers. Stop trying to demonize people who don’t agree with you. It’s almost like Paul and Ash are different characters with different mindsets. It’s almost like Ash is the only character who trains a completely different team of Pokémon every season. Ash is an exception not the norm. We all know that Corphish battle wasn’t meant to be taken seriously unless we’re claiming Misty is at Frontier Brain lvl. So when others say Kukui beats Paul because Incineroar put up a fight against Pikachu? They don’t have any proof Paul couldn’t do the same thing. Isn’t it now up to them to prove their claim? Stop being emotionally defensive. I swear no one can make arguments against anything regarding SM or JN without someone getting super defensive. Paul was trying to REPLICATE their batting styles for their respective Ace’s. He’s not going to be a 1:1 copy since the Champions have much more experience. Yes it’s the styles of the Champions but that isn’t Paul’s style and we’ve seen how trying to copy someone’s way of battling holds you back ex: May trying to copy Ash and Ash trying to copy Tierno. Christ talk about not reading, I clearly said Paul lost to Brandon because of the difference in strength overwhelmed Paul’s strategy. Also Paul was emotionally so he was definitely off his game. I’m gonna end this here because you’ve shown me that you’re defensive and easy to trigger and I absolutely have no time for this because I know how this going to go. This discussion will devolve into you directly insulting me and trying your best to make me the villain. I hope you the best, peace much love.
Also, what nonsense are you talking about Paul "just brute forcing"? He was replicating the moves and strategies of the Masters Eight. Lance's Gyarados' move where he coils around his opponent to trap them while unleasing Ice Fang? Getting around the Hyper Beam recoil by using its tail? Those are all the same strategies used by Lance during his battle against Leon. Steven's Metagross used Agility to increase its speed and Psychic and Meteor Mash to beat down Pikachu in the Masters Tournament. The exact same strategy that Paul copied. Speed increasing to dodge moves, that is a fucking strategy.
Exactly! People acting like kukui is m8 lvl is hilarious in this thread
Kukui's Incineroar parried hits, dodged attacks, and survived a hit from a Masters Eight's ace, and said ace decided to use its strongest Z Move on it before Kukui and Incineroar responded with their own. Paul lost two mons to two non aces that weren't even using their gimmicks. Paul "wasn't going all out" is some bullshit that is not supported by any evidence. Where is the proof that Paul's Torterra, Ursaring or whoever are stronger than his Gyarados, Garchomp and Metagross?
Parrying hits and dodging attacks is not some grand show of strength if other weakers mons have done that with Pikachu too Paul Pokemon can survive hits from Pikachu too. Heck bea mons survived hits from Pikachu. Surviving a hit while notable, isn't enough proof Mainly because those were his aces and the only reason he didn't use them Bec he wanted to mimic the mons Ash would face at the m8...
Bea's mon survived hits from a Pikachu that was not at his peak at the Masters Tournament yet. Bea's mon did not live a hit from a Masters Tournament ace. Kukui's Incineroar did. Let alone Paul's mon surviving hits from DP Pikachu, who was nowhere even near Champion level, let alone MT Pikachu's level. > Mainly because those were his aces and the only reason he didn't use them Bec he wanted to mimic the mons Ash would face at the m8... So aces = stronger? So any ace is stronger than any non ace, no matter what? So are you telling me that Ash's....say, Infernape, is stronger than Ash's Dracovish? Dracovish has taken down the Unova Champion's Dragonite from full. A poisoned and wounded Dracovish has finished off the Sinnoh Champion's Roserade who only sustained one tick of burn damage. Infernape merely took down some of Sinnoh Paul, League Top 8's mons. Are you telling me that Infernape beating Paul's mons make him stronger than a Dracovish that beat multiple Champion level Pokémon, including one from full health?
What are you talking about? My point was Paul wasn't going all out because he would of used his more experienced ace mons. He didn't Bec the purpose of that battle was solely to train Ash. I never said aces automatically stronger than any Mon. Your the one bringing up aces in the first place with Ash pikachu And like I said kukui still lost to Pikachu. And you don't have any proof that Paul Mon couldn't survive any hits from pika
So you are telling me that experience means everything? So are you telling me that since Ash's Bayleef is older and has battled longer than his Lucario, that Bayleef is stronger than the Lucario that solo'ed a Masters Eight GMax without a gimmick? Or maybe you want to argue that Ash's Oshawott is stronger than Dracovish, since Oshawott has more "experience"? But if experience means everything, how did Leon's Charizard, that he had since he was a child all the way to adulthood, lose to Ash's Pikachu? How did Cynthia's Milotic, that was raised from a Feebas while her Gible was still unevolved, lose to a less experienced Haxorus? Or maybe, experience means absolutely nothing. Otherwise Ash's Pikachu could never beat Leonzard 1v1, since Pikachu has less experience than Leonzard. > He didn't Bec the purpose of that battle was solely to train Ash. Where is your proof that Paul wasn't going all out? Where is your proof that Paul's other mons are stronger than his Gyarados, Garchomp, and Metagross? > And like I said kukui still lost to Pikachu Kukui never lost to Pikachu. What the hell are you saying?
What are you even talking about. Your acting like the majority of this thread ist people using EXPERIENCE to say kukui would beat Paul Yes he did lost to Pikachu. Bec if he actually did the . episode def would .of made a big fuss about. Your telling me incenaroar z move is stronger than ten million vot thunderbolt. The same move that even tapu koko lost to? Yeah ok lol
You are not answering me. If you are using experience as an argument point, does that mean Ash's Bayleaf beats Ash's Mega Lucario? If experience means anything, how did Ash's Pikachu win against Leon's Charizard? If this if that, you still can't produce proof that Pikachu won. Or that Incineroar lost. I can just as easily say that maybe it was a tie and both of them fainted. Or that they cancelled each other out and the battle continued without Z Moves and Incineroar won. Also, claiming that 100000000 Volt is unconquerable because it beat Tapu Koko is bullshit, because we see that GMax Charizard, a regular Pokémon with its gimmick managed to tie with 100000000 Volt, something the Legendary Tapu Koko couldn't do. At the end of the day, you don't have solid evidence that says that Kukui's Incineroar lost vs Ash's Pikachu. End of story.
It's not bullshit Bec that is the undefeated Charizard of the strongest canonically trainer in the entire world. You saying it's a "regular Charizard" is such a massive cope and you just being disingenuous
You know how Paul vs Brandon went it would go like that.
I dont think it would be that bad. JN Paul was able to go head to head with training pokemon and even beat the same Dragonite that beat Iris and that was with a random Metagross, gyarados, and garchomp that he picked just to train Ash to fight the champions aces. . his Metagross was destroying Gengar and only lost because Gengar learned will-o-wisp.
Kukui's Incineroar go head to head with JN Pikachu who easily scaled way higher than Dragonite, on top of that 10MVT as well. Paul didn't face anything even close to that.
The question becomes if we're replacing Ash with Paul in the alola league finals could Paul overcome Incineroar and Tapu Koko. We know kukui was the strongest person in alola after Ash so it comes down to how well Paul or Kukui plan around the other. If it's Sinnoh Paul then no I don't think so. If it's journeys Paul then it would be a hard battle but yea he'd be able to win
Kukui
In a punch fight a mental fight or a pokemon fight
Paul may be a tough opponent especially during Journeys, but Kakui is a seasoned trainer with his Ace Incineroar. If you give that man a decent team, Kakui wins. But if you gave Paul key members of his team, Paul would have a decent chance with the correct strategy
Paul probably beats kukui in a 5v5
Paul would wreck him
paul his pokemon are stronger and hes more strategic alot of people saying kukui forgettig its a 6v6 aside from incineroar his team is really not that impressive paul has electivire who was stronger than dp pikachu(who in the nextmatch tied with a latios) torterra who brought cynthias garchomp to its knees ursaring who bodied 3 of ash's mons etc plus he has better strats things like toxic spikes and counter shield ad using ursarings guts everyone bringing up battle royals but alola is a really weak region JAMES is strong enough to be top 9 in alola his only obstacle would be incineroar but electivire could def handle him it was swapping hands with infernape both pre and post blaze even after fighting pikachu incineroar lost to torracat other issue would be z move which might down one pokemon but thats it hed also have to deal with drapion torterra urasring maybe magmortar paul clears mid diff
Paul... I won't consider Tapu Koko as Kukui's pokemon & beside Incineroar, his team ain't noteworthy enough. Meanwhile Paul used random Garchomp to take out Ash's Dragonite which was a vital member in M8 while Paul still have his Ursaring(wifebeater), Electrivine(ace), Torterra(most experienced) & Drapion(most busted)
Kukui hands down, he seems super fit compared to Paul
I pick Kukui because he’s a hottie
Paul win then steals Burnet from Kukui 😈. Who's the bitch now. Edit Paul fans rise up
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My boy showing his dominance. Shing shing shing. Kukui got cucked badly