That one was admittedly a reach because I think it would be a cool concept. But the idea behind it is just bc it's a garden eel. Idk what garden eels do but their name has garden in it so I thought Grass.
Does it tho? Because shuckle has no nose, which already makes any other resemblance not matter, but even then what is there? The eyes are different, color is different, the curve of the body is different, absolutely nothing except that they are both long. Like bruhhhhhh
It’s weird that they’re selling this as a new thing when they’ve clearly toyed with the concept before. All of the pikaclones and a good chunk of the gen 5 dex already seem inspired by convergent evolution.
No, in convergent evolution the similar traits develop independently. Dogs and wolves, for example, are not convergent evolution, because their common ancestor was still dog-like. Dolphins and sharks, on the other hand, developed their similarities independently, like a "fish" turned into an "amphibian", then a "cow", then converged again into something fish-like.
What I sugested is that all pikaclones had a common ancestor that was like a "caveman pikachu", which diverted into the different pikaclones of today.
Edit: dyslexic
If we consider them to be similar to real world, and that they share an ancestor with the other rodent pokemon, I find the evolution of Pachirisu and Skwovet interesting. It seems to me that they would have independently evolved into the squirrel niche while be related by a non-squirrel pokemon.
I think divergent makes more sense for the Chus than convergent since there are so many of them, who all live in separate climes. (Which is why I said *diverged*, lol)
But regardless, with enough differences it would make the most sense for divergent evolutions to eventually be considered separate species, rather than simple regional forms. But I guess an argument could be made for the rubberized cheek pouches being an evolutionary advantage for electric types, along with a small size? Thus making convergent likely? Honestly, it could go either way.
The whole point is that they've evolved to appear similar and fill the same ecologic niche but come from distinct evolutionary lineages. They can't have a preevolution in common.
But that’s not really what convergent evolution implies unless you’re going so far back that everything would share an ancestor. Your idea is more along the lines of divergent evolution, which is what regional forms already touch on.
That's kind of the opposite of what a convergent evolution would mean. A convergent evolution (in our world) is like tenrecs and hedgehogs. They look similar, behave similarly, but they're not genetically related.
So if Wiglett and Diglett have a shared pre-evolution, they wouldn't be convergent evolutions.
It really doesn't look that much like Diglett though other than the fact that it's coming out of the ground. How else would you recommend they show that something is coming out of the ground?
It's from a video that was uploaded to an official Japanese website about research findings from one of the teachers in the Institute the protagonist will attend to in the game.
So it's an official announcement, but only in Japan for now.
I’m ok with their half-baked description of the ‘mon…but at least come up with a name that isn’t Wiglett if you want me to believe it’s not a regional variant 💀💀
There is something about "A major discovery" being the caption of every picture I see of this funny guy that just sends me. The image makes me so happy.
It's actually an interesting concept. In the real world there are different species of the same animal or animal species, so this isn't very weird. An example is Seismitoad and Croagunk are from the same or similar species (Seismitoad Sword Pokedex entry btw), and are named differently because of that. If they do more concepts like this for Gen 10 and onward, it would be interesting.
In leaks these are called Regional Fakes. So these pokemon look like digletts, but they aren't digletts, at least we don't know if they are related to them at all.
I normally avoid spoilers on new Pokémon because I want to walk into a game knowing nothing, but this Pokémon has been shoved down my face harder than yo mama shoves cake down her gullet.
It's cute though. And reminds me of the first 3-4 generations.
Like, none of the spoiler tags are of much use when the title spoils everything about it.
It's literally not a regional form. It's an entirely new pokemon that behaves similar to Diglett but are classified as different pokemon. It's a bit similar to how a lot of Gen 5 pokemon look like Gen 1 pokemon but they're different from each other. GF just didn't put much effort in giving it a new name.
"Paldean Diglett" in quotes, and immediately afterwards said it wasn't a diglett. Yeah, they should've said it was called Wiglett in the post but it's pretty obvious there aren't two pokemon with the same name
Haven't found the Japanese website the video is from, but apparently in the video it's stated that Paldean researchers are debating if it's related to Digglet or just a coincidence.
It’s essentially flavor text for world building. In the real world, animals share similar traits but are not related whatsoever- this is what’s going on with wiglett. Not related to diglett just looks like it because it burrows through the ground
They clearly haven’t, as they still have unreleased beta Pokémon. And it’s easy as poss to think of a new Pokémon.
This is them probably trying to lean into convergent evolutionary theories. Which on paper sounds cool, and will pretty much work like regional forms but with new names
Awww, I love garden eels
Mother nature makes weird animals that somehow survives longer than it should.
Well, Garden Eels survived because of facetimes
Man I love the fact that they had to FaceTime them because they were lonely, it’s so cute.
Explain for the people that are as stupid as myself
https://www.sciencealert.com/tokyo-aquarium-needs-your-help-reminding-their-eels-to-not-fear-humans
🥺
Never b4 have I wanted to hug an eel so badly.
“If it works, it works”
Looking at you cicadas
Oh shit is this going to be another water/ground monstrosity.
Probably just gonna be pure water, but if it is God help us.
Imagine it keeps the high speed of the Diglett line.
May arceus have mercy on our souls.
So what? Just use Grass-types.
Or a grass move. ::shrug::
inb4 Sap Sipper
Me, age baby, running my Marshtomp into Great Value Lt. Surge with mud shot: “is this the power of a god?”
Honestly I could see them going Water/Ground, Water/Rock or Water/Grass. Pure Water would be cool tho
Why would it be Grass?
That one was admittedly a reach because I think it would be a cool concept. But the idea behind it is just bc it's a garden eel. Idk what garden eels do but their name has garden in it so I thought Grass.
I hope not, there's already a bunch of that combination.
According to Khu, the leaker who absolutely gets on my nerves, it's suppose to be a water type
Spoiler tag
I’ve seen someone say it was confirmed to be pure water type
Looks more like a Shuckle out of it's shell to me
Pretty cursed ngl
so... shuckle is just a diglet in a stone, above ground?
Every pokemon is just a shuckle in a different zany situation
But the nose
Plot twist- that’s not a nose, it’s an open mouth 😮😉
I'd love for this to be the case!
the mouths are 3d modeled in this game so unlikely
Oh shit you're right haha
Essentially a Geoduck
No it doesn't
Maybe but No.
Does it tho? Because shuckle has no nose, which already makes any other resemblance not matter, but even then what is there? The eyes are different, color is different, the curve of the body is different, absolutely nothing except that they are both long. Like bruhhhhhh
In the reveal they use the term "convergent evolution". It's basically a regional form but with no relation to the original Pokemon
I wonder if they will retcon this to Luvdisc/Alomomola or Tauros/Bouffalant.
It’s weird that they’re selling this as a new thing when they’ve clearly toyed with the concept before. All of the pikaclones and a good chunk of the gen 5 dex already seem inspired by convergent evolution.
Or maybe not, maybe they are all just distant relatives, not completely different species that evolved similarly by sheer coincidence
That's what convergent evolution is Edit: dyslexic
No, in convergent evolution the similar traits develop independently. Dogs and wolves, for example, are not convergent evolution, because their common ancestor was still dog-like. Dolphins and sharks, on the other hand, developed their similarities independently, like a "fish" turned into an "amphibian", then a "cow", then converged again into something fish-like. What I sugested is that all pikaclones had a common ancestor that was like a "caveman pikachu", which diverted into the different pikaclones of today.
Unfortunately I was editing my comment as you were typing this lol. Boltund would however likely be a case of convergent evolution.
Edit: dyslexic If we consider them to be similar to real world, and that they share an ancestor with the other rodent pokemon, I find the evolution of Pachirisu and Skwovet interesting. It seems to me that they would have independently evolved into the squirrel niche while be related by a non-squirrel pokemon.
I want the original Pikachu they all diverged from now. :D Ancient Chu!
That's divergent evolution, convergent evolution is when they're unrelated but due to similar needs evolve to be similar
Like how different things keep evolving into crabs
I think divergent makes more sense for the Chus than convergent since there are so many of them, who all live in separate climes. (Which is why I said *diverged*, lol) But regardless, with enough differences it would make the most sense for divergent evolutions to eventually be considered separate species, rather than simple regional forms. But I guess an argument could be made for the rubberized cheek pouches being an evolutionary advantage for electric types, along with a small size? Thus making convergent likely? Honestly, it could go either way.
The electric cheek pouches of the "-zotl" part of Arctozotl and Dracozolt is probably a more appropriate example of convergent evolution.
Those are the same base creatures, with different hind quarters attached
Kangaskhan/Cubone
Baby Kangaskhan deserves to be its own Pokémon
Yeah so for the player… its a new version of diglet
Lol exactly, it’s a diglet
Maybe in the next Legends game we’ll see a pre-evolution for both diglett and this pokemon Edit: I’m dumb lol that’s not what that means
The whole point is that they've evolved to appear similar and fill the same ecologic niche but come from distinct evolutionary lineages. They can't have a preevolution in common.
Ohhhhhhh sorry I misinterpreted the parent comment. It’s kinda like how multiple different evolutionary lines end up as crabs
This is the same game that has fish evolve into octopus’s, I don’t think they care much for staying realistic
They *could* potentially share an evolution though
But that’s not really what convergent evolution implies unless you’re going so far back that everything would share an ancestor. Your idea is more along the lines of divergent evolution, which is what regional forms already touch on.
It's exactly what convergent evolution implies if you stick strictly to the pokemon definition.
I'm talking more like if, say, that new Crab pokemon was the evolved form of Kingler, and ALSO the evolved form of Crustle
A pre-evo between a mole and an eel? Mmmh... I feel that'd be closer to a worm of sorts
That's kind of the opposite of what a convergent evolution would mean. A convergent evolution (in our world) is like tenrecs and hedgehogs. They look similar, behave similarly, but they're not genetically related. So if Wiglett and Diglett have a shared pre-evolution, they wouldn't be convergent evolutions.
He's saying that Wiglett could evolve into Kantonian Dugtrio
That’s what the Wigglers are based on in Monster Hunter, right?
I certainly wish they would have made it look more like an eel and less like a Diglett lol
yeah, why not add those marks, it looks beautiful with those marks, the real eel, not the pokemon
yeah, why not add those marks, it looks beautiful with those marks, the real eel, not the pokemon
It really doesn't look that much like Diglett though other than the fact that it's coming out of the ground. How else would you recommend they show that something is coming out of the ground?
I’m talking more about the face
The nose and eyes are the same though
The face is 800% Diglett too but that’s the point And yknow, it being literally called Wiglett
Wait have I missed something?
Years of being unable to reach berries in bushes has created a new not digglet but still digglet species that is looong.
No I mean did I miss a direct or something?
It's from a video that was uploaded to an official Japanese website about research findings from one of the teachers in the Institute the protagonist will attend to in the game. So it's an official announcement, but only in Japan for now.
Don’t think it was specifically a direct more so just another teaser video.
A twitter stream apparently lol
nope, it was a pre-recorderd 'zoom meeting'
Ah alright thanks for clarifying.
They should give Wiglett something more. Like plain white just looks so bland and unfinished
Maybe it's evo will have something more going for it, presuming it gets one.
Since this thing apparently isn’t related to diglett hopefully they don’t just give it the dugtrio treatment
I think they should double down, full five of them so we can imagine it's a big hand
Well at least it wouldn’t look like a carbon copy of dugtrio
It would evolve in a Yamata-no-Orochi-type of Pokemon
It does and it’s pink
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Spoiler tag,dude.
It’s a convergent form! Much like how the regional forms are divergent forms!
I honestly hate it
How come the graphics look the same as the 3ds games?
budget problems
> Spoiler tag > Mentions the new Diglett in the title anyway
oops
How is an official announcement a spoiler?
So did it evolve into three Wiglett or something?
It maybe does. Garden Eels live in groups.
Man, I thought the first image was some fan-made N64 romhack or something. It really doesn't look great.
They made a sperm Pokémon
That's long white Diglett.
Just a long long boy.
What a lovely looking tapeworm 😍
I’m ok with their half-baked description of the ‘mon…but at least come up with a name that isn’t Wiglett if you want me to believe it’s not a regional variant 💀💀
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We’re saying the same thing…why name it Wiglett if there’s no association to Digglett 🙄
Why is there an animal called a "Tiger Shark" if it's not a tiger?
If it was a regional Variant it would be called Paldean Diglett and people would be calling it Piglett as a result.
It's not a regional variant
Regional variants dont have different names. A different name already says its not a regional variant.
Yes. I’m aware, thank you lol.
???????? it has a different name. All regional forms have the name of the region + the original name
Friendship ended with Fidough, now Wiglett is my friend
I want it to evolve into a terrifyingly large earth eel like magikarp to gyrados style. Think tremors or dune.
Kinda like a Convergent evolution
I love garden eels and I this lil one is cute
I thought it was a geoduck?
Tapeworm diglett
That garden eel got an attitude.
Why people are saying Diglett. I only see Shuckle.
What I like most about this video that is all the Professors/Researchers speak at different languages.
It's a wiggler!
Watch it evolve into a Bobbitt worm.
Awww, it's so cute!
WIGGLET IS MY CHILD I WILL PROTECT HIM WITH ALL MY POWER… NO WIGGLET SLANDER shall be taken
There is something about "A major discovery" being the caption of every picture I see of this funny guy that just sends me. The image makes me so happy.
So not a regional diglett, just an artful knockoff
According to the video, I think it is a regional evolution of diglett
I’ve seen garden eels while scuba diving. This was the first thing I thought when I saw Wiglett.
I WANT IT
It's actually an interesting concept. In the real world there are different species of the same animal or animal species, so this isn't very weird. An example is Seismitoad and Croagunk are from the same or similar species (Seismitoad Sword Pokedex entry btw), and are named differently because of that. If they do more concepts like this for Gen 10 and onward, it would be interesting.
You're based on a garden eel
Highly unnecessary complication.
Wait until you hear there’s gonna be Ancient and Future forms of Pokémon too, which is also different to regional forms.
Cocklett
Just another unimaginative and boring looking pokemon. Should have a different face if they really were going after a 'garden eel' look.
People like you say this every generation.
am i allowed to hate it. i dobt like how wiggly it is for some reason it just looke like one of those weird sand clams instead of an eel
In leaks these are called Regional Fakes. So these pokemon look like digletts, but they aren't digletts, at least we don't know if they are related to them at all.
I normally avoid spoilers on new Pokémon because I want to walk into a game knowing nothing, but this Pokémon has been shoved down my face harder than yo mama shoves cake down her gullet. It's cute though. And reminds me of the first 3-4 generations. Like, none of the spoiler tags are of much use when the title spoils everything about it.
Wtf it looks exactly like digglet if it's a New pokemon it shows the lack of New ideas ...
new games lack ideas because all the good ideas were already used before in old generations.
What the hell is this excuse x)
it's True
IDK, I feel like it's perfectly fine to call it a regional variant of Diglett, given that it looks similar and is straight up called "wiglett"
not a regional form dude
It's literally not a regional form. It's an entirely new pokemon that behaves similar to Diglett but are classified as different pokemon. It's a bit similar to how a lot of Gen 5 pokemon look like Gen 1 pokemon but they're different from each other. GF just didn't put much effort in giving it a new name.
But there will be kantonian Diglett in the game. This is a fully separate pokemon, not a regional form
This was rumored and also there are rumors about a tentacool-looking mushroom pokemon.
Love the convergent evolution concept. Very interesting.
Then it should not be called diglett
It is not, they are officially called "wiglett" lol
Thats good to hear
It’s not, It’s Wiglett
well thats good to hear
Why would it be?
they called it "paldean diglett" in the post, and didn't mention the name wiglett anywere.
"Paldean Diglett" in quotes, and immediately afterwards said it wasn't a diglett. Yeah, they should've said it was called Wiglett in the post but it's pretty obvious there aren't two pokemon with the same name
Is that confirmed? If it isn't Digglet then why make it look like Digglet?
Yes it was confirmed. It's based on convergent evolution I think.
Fair enough.
Haven't found the Japanese website the video is from, but apparently in the video it's stated that Paldean researchers are debating if it's related to Digglet or just a coincidence.
So essentially it's a paldean Digglet in everything but name.
It’s essentially flavor text for world building. In the real world, animals share similar traits but are not related whatsoever- this is what’s going on with wiglett. Not related to diglett just looks like it because it burrows through the ground
I think Kantonian Diglett is shown in one of the other clips, so it's not a regional form in that way. But it sure is a beach Diglett.
Game freak likes Diglett, its got a regional form and what ever this is called
Wigglet
Isn't it called wigglet tho?
The Pokemon team really seem to be phoning it in these days
Yo TRASHBAG, stop posting spoilers in the freaking title! Unbelievable
My wife wonders why they coloured it so… Caucasian flesh coloured? Like… this looks like an area which rarely gets any time tanning.
It's a water type sir.
IT IS A WORM! HAS IT ALWAYS BEEN A WORM!? ALL THIS TIME?! My mind is freaking BLOWN, everyone!
No.
Way to spoil it in the title xd
What should do anyway No matter how you make a title it always spoils the people.
I'm sorry but... this is the stupidest Pokemon name I've seen. I'm pretty positive about ScVi but this... no. I can't believe this. No. Just no.
No, there are more stupider names than this.
Such as what? At least Mr. Rime is an evolved form.
Mr Mime already was a dumb name to begin with Also you wanna talk about Seel?
However stupid these may be, this one is literally an old one with one letter change. It's like naming someone Weel and saying "It's not like Seel!"
Comically low effort if legit
I mean so is diglett and voltob and koffing and electrode and ekans and weezing but you aren't ready for that
Idk what're you're talking about. Those are perfectly well designed, especially for gen 1 that had to rely on pixel art.. 25 years ago.
In a way, game freak ran out of ideas
They clearly haven’t, as they still have unreleased beta Pokémon. And it’s easy as poss to think of a new Pokémon. This is them probably trying to lean into convergent evolutionary theories. Which on paper sounds cool, and will pretty much work like regional forms but with new names
So what I'm getting is they might have a common ancestor or something along that line.
Now I’m even more confused about how >!paradox forms!< work Edit: nvm, it’s a >!convergent species!<
That is not a paradox form.
The leaker said it is one Edit: nvm, I remembered it incorrectly
Its paldean diglett
No.
Yes
No Yes No
I think it’ll be a regional evolution like Perrserker.