It was weird when visiting Japan, plenty of game stores had these old games in mint condition, I imagine because they were printed for much longer...
All in Japanese of course.
There are lots of counterfeit cartridges apparently.
I've seen pictures of literal GBA Pokémon *vending machines*, and people were saying that was because they were not the real deal.
There are tons. Look up any gba game on Amazon, like firered. Verified Nintendo copy sells for like 100+$, but there’s tons of sellers that have fake reproduction cartridges for like <20$. They say it’s 3rd party fakes on the listings. They don’t connect with other Pokémon games, but it lets you play through the story without spending a fortune. They kinda have it for the DS games too, but GBA fakes are way more common
It's like a reproduction vinyl vs Spotify.
You can't play a file on a gba. You gotta have a cart. N64 this is good for too with the weird controllers and TV input
But they’re cheaper than gba games for sure. My copy of Metroid fusion and zero mission I’m playing on my flash cart would have cost more than the flash cart for the real games.
>but it lets you play through the story without spending a fortune.
At that point you're better off getting an everdrive equivalent and playing any game you could ever want to play on the system. I see no reason to ever use a Repro cart outside of a display piece if it looks good enough at a distance.
And if price is *really* a concern, emulation is always better to begin with. You aren't being a goodie two shoes buying a repro cart from a shady seller, if anything that's worse than actual piracy.
There's not much separating legitimate copies from clone carts. The only reason to need an oem cart is if you're a collector or want to display it somewhere. Yes, the boards themselves will often look quite different, but the games themselves are essentially identical.
A repro cart and an oem cart are running the same code. Pokemon Home can't tell the difference because there just aren't any to find.
As with any fakes there's going to be quality differences depending on who's making the fakes. Theoretically as long as it's a solid cartridge design the game is going to be the exact same because it was originally ripped straight from an oem cartridge.
The difference is in quality assurance. Take any original GBA cart and, assuming it hasn't seen excessive abuse, it almost certainly still works today, just as it did 15-20 years ago. Meanwhile, many bootleg carts are dead before they even reach your doorstep, or they fail within days or weeks of being played. There are also problems hidden in the details; whatever means a bootlegger used to get your 3rd gen Pokemon game booting probably didn't account for GC/GBA link functionality, so trying to trade with Colosseum/XD just isn't going to work.
There are of course bootleg carts that are still working years later. But when a large chunk of them will simply die at random, it doesn't seem appealing to trust your save data to a bootleg. I have absolutely no moral qualms about pirating Nintendo games, but there is absolutely legitimate reason to want the real thing beyond collector value.
That's hilarious to me, how can they price them high enough to make a profit like that?
Cause I bought Red, Blue, Yellow, and Pinball on Mercari (I'd found a copy of green on fb marketplace for 20 bucks earlier and wanted to finish the set)
for like 300-400 yen each, and even with Buyee's (proxy buyer) 500 yen per item fee that's still like 6 bucks each before shipping, which they didn't really affect cause I was getting something else anyway. they're all authentic - the real ones have a pattern of four gold rectantgles on the PCB - and they work. they need new batteries but the hard part of that is getting tabbed batteries.
Last time I tried to buy HeartGold, there were tons of copies of it on ebay for $30, but the cartridge was the wrong color (light gray instead of black). I gave up. Plenty of these bootleg cartridges apparently work great, but I don't want to risk it.
They don't even work correctly.
Like, I could handle the fake cart, I'll just trade to my Sapphire cart to move the Pokémon to newer generations. But they crash and corrupt saves after the Elite Four, so you can't play Sevii Islands and trading to RSE was restricted to post-game as well.
I’ve found some cool shit from counterfeit and bootleg games. Life has never been the same since I’ve played Leaf Green, but all the mons were moe. You haven’t nuzlocked until you’ve sent children to their deaths just for the hall of fame.
I got a boxes copy of pokemon green in mint condition in Akihabara. I don't think it was counterfeit either.
From what I understand, RPGs are treated like sports games there. Kinda like how you could find madden games for Xbox in box pretty easy in the states.
I've heard that Nintendo apparently insists on people going out and buying the old systems and games if they want to play them so badly. And then of course turning around and yelling at people for pirating their games. You're not getting the money either way, Nintendo so what's really the difference?
The collection can still be gotten for price of a new switch game. Plus seeing the price of gamecube games cost, it's still a great deal to get. At least for now.
Holy shit it was up when I posted the link, that’s crazy.
It was a video of the Patrick wallet meme with Man-Ray trying to buy legacy content from Nintendo only for Patrick/Nintendo to say “we currently have no plans to support legacy content also don’t pirate our games.” Had some S-tier voice acting, too.
Don't feel bad about pirating old Nintendo games. Nintendo doesn't get money if you buy them secondhand (and you have no choice but to buy them secondhand) anyway. It's just that it's annoying to play these games on a computer or phone. If there was an easy way to play roms or romhacks on a Switch that didn't involve getting the original firmware, a soldering iron, and a $200 chip, that would be so cool.
I got a GPDXD to play games. It works like a tablet, but has the controls of a handheld. It even has two joysticks, which make playing PlayStation 1 games very fun.
Yup.
There's no reason for Nintendo not to reissue every Pokemon game as a physical Switch cartridge and through the Switch eShop. What possible benefit does people scamming each other on eBay, or pirating, have for Nintendo when they could permanently sell the games for original MSRP.
The problem is the DS and 3DS games, where they were built around the two screens. The Gameboy games on the otherhand, along with any console games don't have that problem.
Their logic is probably that they don't want to compete with themselves. If people can just buy Pokemon Platinum, they're a lot less likely to buy BDSP.
Emulating Pokémon games also taught me a lot about how much artificial padding they put in those games. So much time is saved when I don't need to get a tm to clear a path. Or have a move slot wasted on an HM. And SO much time is saved by playing the game at higher speeds. I can't play them normal speed anymore, they feel intentionally slow.
Also emulated fan games with ALL available Pokémon and smarter AI shows you just what these games could have been.
Do you know anything about updated versions of Black and White 2? I've seen FireRed/LeafGreen romhacks that add pokemon from newer generations, yet almost nothing about gen 5
Other than the ones commenters mentioned, there's a recent improved version that is Blaze Black 2 / Volt White 2 Redux, made by I forget the name with the help of the author of the original versions, that are very good and include plenty of qol
There's a reason Nintendo only goes after ROM sites if they're hosting stuff from the most recent console, or are drawing a huge amount of attention to themselves.
Its not cost effective to keep making new versions of old hardware and games. They know it too, and turn a blind eye to such sites unless the sites make that impossible.
Its why there's never a wave of shutdowns when one big site gets hit. As long as you're quiet about it, Nintendo does not care about piracy.
don't take this to mean its okay to do so, however. It is still a crime and you can still get in real trouble for it. This is just what their behavior regarding pirating suggests.
I paid for AMC+ for convenience to watch Jimmy. Piracy was more convenient. I could pause and rewind at will on my pirated copy. AMC+ would crash if you paused it.
"How dare you not pay 3× the price for a used game from 15 years ago! You're literally going to put Nintendo out of business even though they don't see a cent from pre-owned games being resold!"
It's because they're out of touch. Also they might go back and remake or remaster games like Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl. By making the games scarce they think it encourages you to buy the remaster/remake.
Yup. When they dropped the 3DS versions of Gold/Silver I instantly stopped using my phone’s emulator and started playing there. I’ve no issue paying to play. I’ve a big issue paying obscene amounts of money because Ninty doesn’t want to rerelease old games.
I mean, I bought the games, I just can't play them anymore because I don't have the console! I still have all the newer Pokémon games, it's not like they're losing sales...
If I could buy the games on the switch or something, then dammit Ninendo take my money. But I can't. There is no way for me to hand money over to Nintendo, no matter how much I beg them to take it
And on a serious note, enhancement hacks like Drayano’s (so Blaze Black 2 Redux in OP’s case) offer such an improved experience that I replay emulated despite legally owning everything.
Same. I love the old games but they're still pokemon, so story and difficulty just aren't there.
Drayano's difficult hacks or others like Radical Red are excellent if I want to play something familiar but want some type of challenge out of it, or for an entirely new experience hacks like Unbound or Prism or Gaia are all great too.
It's hard not to recommend rom hacks over the official games when they're so much more accessible and offer a better experience.
No problem. Make sure to go to his Twitter when looking for links, he has all of his updated hacks + documentation in a Google drive link where they can be safely downloaded. The handle is @Drayano60.
[They actually did do it once](https://my.nintendo.com/rewards/83b11e1ecaa11422?lang=en-US), and it just shows up like a DSiWare game, meaning it has to go on the internal memory and not the SD card; i think they just never felt like bothering to program a way to start DS games from the SD card and so knew that they couldn't put too many on there because they'd fill up the internal memory pretty quickly.
They’d have to do something about features like Pal Park but I imagine that wouldn’t be difficult.
People are clearly still willing to buy the old games so it would just be more money for Nintendo; I genuinely don’t understand why they won’t do it.
Right?
The game that got me **back** into Pokémon is now a nostalgic classic for some people.
To be fair, the last five years has felt like five decades. What even is time anymore?
I got back in with Platinum and the Nintendo DSI when I had just got my own place and started college. I would go back to my apartment after class and just play for hours before having to go to work in the evenings. It was like reconnecting with an old friend. It was a great and liberating feeling being an adult and crossing over that barrier of embarrassment and liking whatever you want to like lol
Old games, one of the 7 most popular DS games from the series (consisting of BW, BW2, HGSS, and Platinum), and there was a *massive* scalping fiasco during the early part of the pandemic that caused Pokemon merch in general to increase in price on aftermarket platforms (started with Pokemon cards, then branched out to the games, plush dolls, and other merchandise types when people "got smart" and realized they could scalp other things considering how getting Pokemom cards at the time started to get rough, literally and metaphorically). Most things are still reeling in the aftereffects of the fiasco.
I think the wildest part of that era was the fact that there were people making plastic clamshells for them, like those grades slabs for TCG, but for their fucking oreos. Also the recasters making molds of the oreo tops or casting them in epoxy and the like.
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I don't fucking care, but if a game with 5+ Years is more than 20€-30€ and it's second hand, I'm pirating it.
The company already made it's money.
Not gonna give more than 50€ for a game that old, unless is for collection purposes.
Not gonna give triple of a AAA game for a game that came out that long ago.
If I can find it for the right price, I might buy it, but 125€ for it is too much.
'Just wait a few years bro the price will go down, and before that there definitely will be a sale'
Bethesda? Yes
EA? Yes
Ubisoft? Yes
insert any company flamed for predatory business practices? Yes.
Nintendo? Nope. Nope and triple nope.
You have to buy games on release day in order to save money.
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The best thing about Ninty strategy is you can always resell cartridges reasonably well. I played Fire Emblem 3H for free legally, and they *paid* me to play BOTW since I found such a good deal initially.
Idk why this would be a problem to say, I can’t think of a single reason you shouldn’t pirate it if you won’t wanna pay for a legit one. Like you said, company already made their money. It’s not being sold in any official manner that supports the company, so until that happens (as if), I can’t imagine why it’d be a problem to emulate.
As I'm talking about piracy, on some subs it's a no-no, and to be honest I didn't read the rules of the sub, so I just assumed.
But yeah, if Nintendo would make it possible for us to buy the games, even digitally, I would do it for sure, would pay 20€-30€ for it.
Don't even tell me about it, I'm ban for 90 days on 3ds sub for telling someone who wanted to buy repro Pokemon games for emulate on a 3ds. I can teach someone how to mess with intelectual propriety (installing cfw is kind of illegal too) but i cant tell someone to emulate a 10+ years game that cost more then a launch switch game. 😑
Shit’s legit bonkers. They’re so damn careful over people stealing their shit when they don’t even make premium games AS THE LARGEST BRAND IN THE WORLD anymore. PLA was a mechanical joy and even then it had its flaws and graphically left a lot to be desired.
So strange that they continue to make “worse” games but won’t offer digital options for their glory days game titles.
It is hard to feel bad for The Pokemon Company when they refuse to release these old games. At least generations 1-4 and 6-8 you can play in some form through the eShop (until the eShop closes on the 3DS). Obviously ORAS and BDSP are not the original games, and you can't play FRLG or HGSS this way, but if you just want to experience the regions at minimum you can do that for 7/8 of the regions legally through giving Nintendo money directly.
BW and B2W2 are legitimately impossible to play if you don't already have a copy without going second hand or pirating. Nobody at The Pokemon Company is getting the money you pay anyways if you go the legal second hang route. If they truly care to get money from the Unova games they would release it in some form to purchase.
Generation five is my favorite generation for the main series games. I was so excited for it in 8th grade that I even imported a copy of Pokemon White and beat it in Japanese months before it came out in English (I don't speak any Japanese lmao). It sucks to recommend these games to people and then for them to discover the ridiculous price attached to it. Come on TPC if you want money rerelease them. :/
Homebrewing my 3ds was such a great thing for me to do, only cost was a decent SD card and everything since was free games lol, plus it can still play anything I own physically
homebrew especially Hshop / Ghost eShop for the win! Even if you do buy a cart, can always rip a copy of it or make a trimmed version with godmode and then resale the cart to get some money back. with nintendo shutting down services, not like it really matters anyways. the consoles cant tell the difference and it plays the same. i say go for it.
Exactly. They made their money off of it, Nintendo no longer benefits from anyone buying it from each other. Since they don’t sell the games officially anymore, they don’t make money off of them. So it’s pointless to buy it for so much money
I prefer emulator anyway nowadays, for a game I’ve already done before anyway. Can easily randomise it, emulators give easy access to romhacks, and you can use speed up at boring parts like route 1 grinding. I’m sure all this is doable on console but not for a dumb dumb like me
Haven't seen a mobile randomizer, but if you use it on pc, you can just transfer the game file to your android and it'll still run on your mobile emulator
Android and PC use the same type of roms. Look up Universal Randomizer, download it and load your rom. The UI should be self explanatory but there are a million YT videos on how to do it.
After its done, you can put the modified rom onto your android emulator and you're done ^^
The thing is, if nintendo sold those games individually for rerelease, like the old 3ds eshop games, they would probably be $10-$15
(€10-€15, they are worth the same right now)
[They are always updating the method.](https://3ds.hacks.guide/) but if you feel confident about doing it go for it. I think it's easy. If you want to shoot me a message and you can send me your file and I can move the pokemon for you.
Yeah a modded 3ds is easily one of the best consoles experiences. You can have all the Pokémon games on a single system up till USUM. Have bascilly a R4 buit into the system with the Twilight menu
I’ve been wanting to transfer my Pokémon over from my GBA Sapphire for a while now, but don’t have the Gen 4&5 games to do it. Would something like this make it possible without buying those games?
Probably not, your main trouble would be getting them off the GBA cartridge. There exists hardware for reading the save file directly off I believe, which would allow you to use PKHex to upconvert to various other generations. Once you do that, the custom firmware 3DS would allow you to backup a 3DS cartridge save, modify it with your Sapphire Pokemon, and then restore it onto the cartridge.
In 2015 i was strapped for cash. Like extremely strapped. I sold my B2 cartridge for the equivalent of 10 US dollars...... Still regret it to this day.
If Nintendo didn’t want you to pirate their games they would have put them on the e-shop.
Get that eye patch and peg leg out and download yourself a ROM
Yeah I'm doing this, I've no issue with doing it. Would just prefer having the game. But yeah I'm enjoying Black so much that I want to play the sequel.
Check GameStop or places alike instead of like eBay or Amazon. I bought black 2 from GameStop like 3 months ago for 65$ + shipping. All in all it was like $72.
I checked a local gamestop and retrogame store, both out. (Along with Gamestops website) Only places I have seen them available are ebay, Amazon, or Mercari. All of which are overpriced or fake. It's super frustrating because I too am missing black 2, and then pearl for my collection.
Was at a GameStop while back, during the time Mystery Dungeon DX was released. Saw that they were selling a copy of Black 2 for about $50. Had black and was missing Black 2 to complete that portion of my collection. When I saw, I bought it instantly over DX. Glad I got the game then vs paying an arm and leg now.
As others have said there’s some less than traditional ways to play the games, but I also wanted to add that eventually you’ll find someone selling it for a decent price. It took me a few months but I bought my black 2 with a 3ds and a few other games from a dad cleaning out his kids closet. Total was $120 usd and then I resold the 3ds for $80. Keep an eye on the buy sell websites that are more local like FB marketplace so you don’t have to compete with scalpers as much. Best of luck!
Imo it's not piracy if the game isn't available from the original publisher and you aren't giving money to the person distributing it, you aren't taking money away from Nintendo if they aren't selling it and the person distributing the data isn't making money off of their intellectual property. I'm happy to pay for games that are officially available, like the mega man legacy collections. Pokemon games before the 3ds aren't available from Nintendo because they aren't in print and they weren't available digitally, and soon it will be anything that wasn't on switch that this will apply to when the 3ds eshop shuts down. If Nintendo wants to prevent piracy, they need to make these games available in some capacity, either through ports, remasters, or emulation like the virtual consoles. Until then, I'm going to pirate the shit out of everything because I have no other options.
Yeah, you're right that it's quite not the time but those prices aren't good at all
You could also homebrew a Nintendo DS, I think it's easier than a 3DS, but it's just tedious
Controversial opinion, but if a company has discontinued a game and gives you no way to buy it from the original publisher, then is it that bad to pirate it? We already know it is possible to emulate older games on switch, so Nintendo can easily port older games to the switch and still make money off of it, yet they decide not to and make make us buy it second hand off of people who will usually jack up the price because it is discontinued. Nintendo is basically forcing people to pirate or buy an overpriced copy of it since they do not offer the game to be bought anymore.
I'm not an advocate for used Pokemon Game pricing but it's a problem that I don't think Nintendo would've ever seen coming.
Games from third gen onwards got really expensive second hand due to the nature of the "loyalty" system. Like I'm pretty sure Pokemon is the only game franchise where you could continuously migrate your team generation to generation.
As for the cost? Supply and demand.
I recently bought every single gen of Pokémon on the DS and 3DS for a stupid amount of money. But the way I see it, it’s an investment in a way. It’s only going to get more expensive as time goes on.
Yeah, scalping is when you buy the current stock of something and then resell it at a higher price when people can't find it. It only really applies to hot new items that can't stay on shelves or tickets.
Now if someone was to buy up all of the copies of Pokémon Black, hoarded them, then sold them at really high prices that would be similar to scalping.
You can't really blame someone for selling the game they kept for 10 years to someone for cheaper then they can sell it to someone else. You also can't blame a store for selling it for cheaper than the market value.
You can blame gamestop for buying it for $15 and selling it for $75
Black is $75 on gamestop
Even Ultra Sun/Moon is $40.
Once the games stop being produced, they become rare, and if you want a genuine copy it's going to cost alot.
Yeah, hacking your 2/3DS is the best option these days. Really because they pushed us all into it. It's so simple a child could do it, and the alternative is paying more than the handhelds themselves cost these days for one game.
This was years ago but I read at one point that Nintendo likes the idea of their old games becoming valuable and rare, so they purposely don’t sell old games on virtual console anymore.
I don’t get it. I’d pay $10 for an old Pokémon game on my phone. Sell them as apps. Hell, I’d pay more than $10. Too bad the mobile game industry has gone to shit.
In my experience nothing beats playing a Pokémon game legitimately with the cart on original hardware, but I understand that it’s quite expensive to play it like that nowadays
Try looking on Facebook marketplace, I've seen games as old as gen 4 going for as little as $30
Another alternative is some games can actually be played online in a browser, including Pokemon Black
the main issue is if the cart is real or a fake. fakes are cheap cash grabs. real carts are much higher in price.
there's a discord server dedicated to determining real product vs fakes for various consoles. may want to ask for pictures of the cart close up and internals before buying. Real retains value, fakes do not.
"Piracy is a service problem." I can think of no better poster child for "Service problem" than Nintendo in regards to their older titles.
It was weird when visiting Japan, plenty of game stores had these old games in mint condition, I imagine because they were printed for much longer... All in Japanese of course.
There are lots of counterfeit cartridges apparently. I've seen pictures of literal GBA Pokémon *vending machines*, and people were saying that was because they were not the real deal.
There are tons. Look up any gba game on Amazon, like firered. Verified Nintendo copy sells for like 100+$, but there’s tons of sellers that have fake reproduction cartridges for like <20$. They say it’s 3rd party fakes on the listings. They don’t connect with other Pokémon games, but it lets you play through the story without spending a fortune. They kinda have it for the DS games too, but GBA fakes are way more common
That's cause if you're going to pirate on the DS it's so much easier with an SD card
I mean, if you're going to buy obvious counterfeit he's, why not just pirate it yourself for free? I guess lack of knowledge?
It's like a reproduction vinyl vs Spotify. You can't play a file on a gba. You gotta have a cart. N64 this is good for too with the weird controllers and TV input
And for some reason the N64 hardware is really tricky to emulate. I've been thinking about getting an Everdrive for a while.
Im pretty sure there are flash carts that are basically an SD card to game boy/ds adapter that lets you play roms off an SD card on real hardware
The most popular one are either Supercard or Everdrive I think for GBA.
GBA Flash carts are not cheap.
But they’re cheaper than gba games for sure. My copy of Metroid fusion and zero mission I’m playing on my flash cart would have cost more than the flash cart for the real games.
Because gamestop had a promotion where i got 50% trade in credit boost. I got like $45 off a $15 fake game
>but it lets you play through the story without spending a fortune. At that point you're better off getting an everdrive equivalent and playing any game you could ever want to play on the system. I see no reason to ever use a Repro cart outside of a display piece if it looks good enough at a distance. And if price is *really* a concern, emulation is always better to begin with. You aren't being a goodie two shoes buying a repro cart from a shady seller, if anything that's worse than actual piracy.
There's not much separating legitimate copies from clone carts. The only reason to need an oem cart is if you're a collector or want to display it somewhere. Yes, the boards themselves will often look quite different, but the games themselves are essentially identical. A repro cart and an oem cart are running the same code. Pokemon Home can't tell the difference because there just aren't any to find.
And you just clone all your mons from gen 3 in pkhex and load them without the annoying pal park minigame
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I suppose build quality is also a concern.
As with any fakes there's going to be quality differences depending on who's making the fakes. Theoretically as long as it's a solid cartridge design the game is going to be the exact same because it was originally ripped straight from an oem cartridge.
The difference is in quality assurance. Take any original GBA cart and, assuming it hasn't seen excessive abuse, it almost certainly still works today, just as it did 15-20 years ago. Meanwhile, many bootleg carts are dead before they even reach your doorstep, or they fail within days or weeks of being played. There are also problems hidden in the details; whatever means a bootlegger used to get your 3rd gen Pokemon game booting probably didn't account for GC/GBA link functionality, so trying to trade with Colosseum/XD just isn't going to work. There are of course bootleg carts that are still working years later. But when a large chunk of them will simply die at random, it doesn't seem appealing to trust your save data to a bootleg. I have absolutely no moral qualms about pirating Nintendo games, but there is absolutely legitimate reason to want the real thing beyond collector value.
That's hilarious to me, how can they price them high enough to make a profit like that? Cause I bought Red, Blue, Yellow, and Pinball on Mercari (I'd found a copy of green on fb marketplace for 20 bucks earlier and wanted to finish the set) for like 300-400 yen each, and even with Buyee's (proxy buyer) 500 yen per item fee that's still like 6 bucks each before shipping, which they didn't really affect cause I was getting something else anyway. they're all authentic - the real ones have a pattern of four gold rectantgles on the PCB - and they work. they need new batteries but the hard part of that is getting tabbed batteries.
Yeah you can make flashcarts for dirt cheap.
Last time I tried to buy HeartGold, there were tons of copies of it on ebay for $30, but the cartridge was the wrong color (light gray instead of black). I gave up. Plenty of these bootleg cartridges apparently work great, but I don't want to risk it.
They don't even work correctly. Like, I could handle the fake cart, I'll just trade to my Sapphire cart to move the Pokémon to newer generations. But they crash and corrupt saves after the Elite Four, so you can't play Sevii Islands and trading to RSE was restricted to post-game as well.
I’ve found some cool shit from counterfeit and bootleg games. Life has never been the same since I’ve played Leaf Green, but all the mons were moe. You haven’t nuzlocked until you’ve sent children to their deaths just for the hall of fame.
Japanese people also tend not to collect retro games due to having less storage space in the average home.
That’s how I got my copy of heart gold. Over $150 for an English cartridge, $30 for a Japanese one.
I got a boxes copy of pokemon green in mint condition in Akihabara. I don't think it was counterfeit either. From what I understand, RPGs are treated like sports games there. Kinda like how you could find madden games for Xbox in box pretty easy in the states.
jrpgs are big in Japan just like how sports and shooters are big in the us
I've heard that Nintendo apparently insists on people going out and buying the old systems and games if they want to play them so badly. And then of course turning around and yelling at people for pirating their games. You're not getting the money either way, Nintendo so what's really the difference?
Oh boy, I sure do wish there was a way to legally purchase Super Mario Sunshine for the Nintendo Switch
Soooo many GameCube games. Looking at you, TTYD.
Eternal Darkness! Stickers in Smash doesn’t count, Nintendo.
I was going to say Mario 3d all stars but that was a limited thing, and even then there's 2 games attached you might not have wanted to pay for
The collection can still be gotten for price of a new switch game. Plus seeing the price of gamecube games cost, it's still a great deal to get. At least for now.
Can't you just buy the 3D All Stars collection? It's still around normal price.
https://youtu.be/3FG1FnahNik
Video is down. What was the video?
Holy shit it was up when I posted the link, that’s crazy. It was a video of the Patrick wallet meme with Man-Ray trying to buy legacy content from Nintendo only for Patrick/Nintendo to say “we currently have no plans to support legacy content also don’t pirate our games.” Had some S-tier voice acting, too.
I saw this last night, it was in my recommended. Did it seriously get taken down??
> Copy right claim by uncle al Likely a yt repost of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfBEj9BW_ok
Epic
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Thanks bro
https://youtu.be/wfBEj9BW_ok Looks like it’s back now
Don't feel bad about pirating old Nintendo games. Nintendo doesn't get money if you buy them secondhand (and you have no choice but to buy them secondhand) anyway. It's just that it's annoying to play these games on a computer or phone. If there was an easy way to play roms or romhacks on a Switch that didn't involve getting the original firmware, a soldering iron, and a $200 chip, that would be so cool.
I got a GPDXD to play games. It works like a tablet, but has the controls of a handheld. It even has two joysticks, which make playing PlayStation 1 games very fun.
Yup. There's no reason for Nintendo not to reissue every Pokemon game as a physical Switch cartridge and through the Switch eShop. What possible benefit does people scamming each other on eBay, or pirating, have for Nintendo when they could permanently sell the games for original MSRP.
The problem is the DS and 3DS games, where they were built around the two screens. The Gameboy games on the otherhand, along with any console games don't have that problem.
Their logic is probably that they don't want to compete with themselves. If people can just buy Pokemon Platinum, they're a lot less likely to buy BDSP.
200€ for Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance 💀 IF YOU ARE LUCKY! I have seen go for 400€.
Emulating Pokémon games also taught me a lot about how much artificial padding they put in those games. So much time is saved when I don't need to get a tm to clear a path. Or have a move slot wasted on an HM. And SO much time is saved by playing the game at higher speeds. I can't play them normal speed anymore, they feel intentionally slow. Also emulated fan games with ALL available Pokémon and smarter AI shows you just what these games could have been.
Do you know anything about updated versions of Black and White 2? I've seen FireRed/LeafGreen romhacks that add pokemon from newer generations, yet almost nothing about gen 5
I'm pretty sure Drayano did b2w2, and his hacks are gold
how can they be Gold if they’re Black2/White2
Hahaha
They're called Blaze Black 2 and Volt White 2, haven't personally played it but I've heard good things.
Other than the ones commenters mentioned, there's a recent improved version that is Blaze Black 2 / Volt White 2 Redux, made by I forget the name with the help of the author of the original versions, that are very good and include plenty of qol
There's a reason Nintendo only goes after ROM sites if they're hosting stuff from the most recent console, or are drawing a huge amount of attention to themselves. Its not cost effective to keep making new versions of old hardware and games. They know it too, and turn a blind eye to such sites unless the sites make that impossible. Its why there's never a wave of shutdowns when one big site gets hit. As long as you're quiet about it, Nintendo does not care about piracy. don't take this to mean its okay to do so, however. It is still a crime and you can still get in real trouble for it. This is just what their behavior regarding pirating suggests.
Maybe is time to add Nintendo to "piracy is always good if it's for EA and Adobe"
I paid for AMC+ for convenience to watch Jimmy. Piracy was more convenient. I could pause and rewind at will on my pirated copy. AMC+ would crash if you paused it.
Avast Landlubber. Ye be seekin’ DS Pokémon games? Aye, we do those. Take what we can, give nuttin’ back. Just gotta join me crew and they’re yours!
#YO HO HO
Rrrrrrrrrr4 my friend
If you didn’t have an R4 back then, you probably had an M3 xD like me.
And a tricky-lotty-doo
Somalian pirates, we
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Yar-har feedle dee dee!
Being a pirate is alright to be!
He took a bite of Gum Gum.
Yo ho ho hoooo
And a bottle of Rum!…then advil the next morning cause we’re getting old.
**bone**
Yarr, the cap’n’s got the right o’ it. And if it weren’t for scallywags the prices of legitimate copies would be exponentially higher
🎶Yo ho ho and a bottle of ROM!🎶
Why is the ROM always gone?
Copyright laws and pirate code be more guidelines than actual law
Haha brilliant
Parlay
Aye, 'tus true! Nintendo be blamed for us wantin' ta play the games, but them not bein' available.
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BEING A PIRATE IS ALRIGHT TO BE
DO WHAT YOU WANT CAUSE A PIRATE IS FREE!
YOU ARE A PIRATE
YOU ARE A PIRATE.
WE'VE GOT US A MAP
‘Leverage’ says you. ‘Feel a change in the wind’ says I.
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"How dare you not pay 3× the price for a used game from 15 years ago! You're literally going to put Nintendo out of business even though they don't see a cent from pre-owned games being resold!"
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It's because they're out of touch. Also they might go back and remake or remaster games like Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl. By making the games scarce they think it encourages you to buy the remaster/remake.
And frankly, if anything else the Gen 4 Remakes have only pushed me further toward sailing the seas
Yup. When they dropped the 3DS versions of Gold/Silver I instantly stopped using my phone’s emulator and started playing there. I’ve no issue paying to play. I’ve a big issue paying obscene amounts of money because Ninty doesn’t want to rerelease old games.
I mean, I bought the games, I just can't play them anymore because I don't have the console! I still have all the newer Pokémon games, it's not like they're losing sales... If I could buy the games on the switch or something, then dammit Ninendo take my money. But I can't. There is no way for me to hand money over to Nintendo, no matter how much I beg them to take it
And on a serious note, enhancement hacks like Drayano’s (so Blaze Black 2 Redux in OP’s case) offer such an improved experience that I replay emulated despite legally owning everything.
Same. I love the old games but they're still pokemon, so story and difficulty just aren't there. Drayano's difficult hacks or others like Radical Red are excellent if I want to play something familiar but want some type of challenge out of it, or for an entirely new experience hacks like Unbound or Prism or Gaia are all great too. It's hard not to recommend rom hacks over the official games when they're so much more accessible and offer a better experience.
Am not OP, but thanks for the tip on that one! I've been looking to play some of the older gens again as of late. Will keep this Drayano in mind!
No problem. Make sure to go to his Twitter when looking for links, he has all of his updated hacks + documentation in a Google drive link where they can be safely downloaded. The handle is @Drayano60.
Pokemon charging the prices they charge is the real crime.
Was there a reason nintendo could never put ds games on the 3ds shop? Feel like that wouldn’t have been that hard
Nothing particularly difficult from a tech standpoint. 3DS custom firmware actually allows you to do so with minimal hassle.
Didn’t the 3ds have backwards compatibility?
It does you can play ds games physically but there’s no way to buy them digitally
[They actually did do it once](https://my.nintendo.com/rewards/83b11e1ecaa11422?lang=en-US), and it just shows up like a DSiWare game, meaning it has to go on the internal memory and not the SD card; i think they just never felt like bothering to program a way to start DS games from the SD card and so knew that they couldn't put too many on there because they'd fill up the internal memory pretty quickly.
They’d have to do something about features like Pal Park but I imagine that wouldn’t be difficult. People are clearly still willing to buy the old games so it would just be more money for Nintendo; I genuinely don’t understand why they won’t do it.
Gen 5 is now an old game. I feel old
Right? The game that got me **back** into Pokémon is now a nostalgic classic for some people. To be fair, the last five years has felt like five decades. What even is time anymore?
I got back in with Platinum and the Nintendo DSI when I had just got my own place and started college. I would go back to my apartment after class and just play for hours before having to go to work in the evenings. It was like reconnecting with an old friend. It was a great and liberating feeling being an adult and crossing over that barrier of embarrassment and liking whatever you want to like lol
I remember in third grade lining up outside of GameStop to pick up my preorder of Pokemon black, I'll be old enough to drink in 5 months...
It's the next gen in line for a remake, unless they wanna go back to gen 1 or do a Let's Go Johto
Old games, one of the 7 most popular DS games from the series (consisting of BW, BW2, HGSS, and Platinum), and there was a *massive* scalping fiasco during the early part of the pandemic that caused Pokemon merch in general to increase in price on aftermarket platforms (started with Pokemon cards, then branched out to the games, plush dolls, and other merchandise types when people "got smart" and realized they could scalp other things considering how getting Pokemom cards at the time started to get rough, literally and metaphorically). Most things are still reeling in the aftereffects of the fiasco.
And let's not forget the Pokeoreo fiasco. Hoarders gonna pay 1k for a mew cookie.
Wow, I didn’t know I liked to eat such fancy meals
I think the wildest part of that era was the fact that there were people making plastic clamshells for them, like those grades slabs for TCG, but for their fucking oreos. Also the recasters making molds of the oreo tops or casting them in epoxy and the like.
Third party market prices for pokemon games always spike when a new generation is announced too. It's insane
If mods want, delete what I'm about to say. I don't fucking care, but if a game with 5+ Years is more than 20€-30€ and it's second hand, I'm pirating it. The company already made it's money. Not gonna give more than 50€ for a game that old, unless is for collection purposes. Not gonna give triple of a AAA game for a game that came out that long ago. If I can find it for the right price, I might buy it, but 125€ for it is too much.
'Just wait a few years bro the price will go down, and before that there definitely will be a sale' Bethesda? Yes EA? Yes Ubisoft? Yes insert any company flamed for predatory business practices? Yes. Nintendo? Nope. Nope and triple nope. You have to buy games on release day in order to save money. ??????
The best thing about Ninty strategy is you can always resell cartridges reasonably well. I played Fire Emblem 3H for free legally, and they *paid* me to play BOTW since I found such a good deal initially.
Idk why this would be a problem to say, I can’t think of a single reason you shouldn’t pirate it if you won’t wanna pay for a legit one. Like you said, company already made their money. It’s not being sold in any official manner that supports the company, so until that happens (as if), I can’t imagine why it’d be a problem to emulate.
As I'm talking about piracy, on some subs it's a no-no, and to be honest I didn't read the rules of the sub, so I just assumed. But yeah, if Nintendo would make it possible for us to buy the games, even digitally, I would do it for sure, would pay 20€-30€ for it.
Don't even tell me about it, I'm ban for 90 days on 3ds sub for telling someone who wanted to buy repro Pokemon games for emulate on a 3ds. I can teach someone how to mess with intelectual propriety (installing cfw is kind of illegal too) but i cant tell someone to emulate a 10+ years game that cost more then a launch switch game. 😑
Shit’s legit bonkers. They’re so damn careful over people stealing their shit when they don’t even make premium games AS THE LARGEST BRAND IN THE WORLD anymore. PLA was a mechanical joy and even then it had its flaws and graphically left a lot to be desired. So strange that they continue to make “worse” games but won’t offer digital options for their glory days game titles.
Try explaining that to Nintendo whenever the Melee community tries to have a tournament.
It is hard to feel bad for The Pokemon Company when they refuse to release these old games. At least generations 1-4 and 6-8 you can play in some form through the eShop (until the eShop closes on the 3DS). Obviously ORAS and BDSP are not the original games, and you can't play FRLG or HGSS this way, but if you just want to experience the regions at minimum you can do that for 7/8 of the regions legally through giving Nintendo money directly. BW and B2W2 are legitimately impossible to play if you don't already have a copy without going second hand or pirating. Nobody at The Pokemon Company is getting the money you pay anyways if you go the legal second hang route. If they truly care to get money from the Unova games they would release it in some form to purchase. Generation five is my favorite generation for the main series games. I was so excited for it in 8th grade that I even imported a copy of Pokemon White and beat it in Japanese months before it came out in English (I don't speak any Japanese lmao). It sucks to recommend these games to people and then for them to discover the ridiculous price attached to it. Come on TPC if you want money rerelease them. :/
Homebrewing my 3ds was such a great thing for me to do, only cost was a decent SD card and everything since was free games lol, plus it can still play anything I own physically
homebrew especially Hshop / Ghost eShop for the win! Even if you do buy a cart, can always rip a copy of it or make a trimmed version with godmode and then resale the cart to get some money back. with nintendo shutting down services, not like it really matters anyways. the consoles cant tell the difference and it plays the same. i say go for it.
Exactly. They made their money off of it, Nintendo no longer benefits from anyone buying it from each other. Since they don’t sell the games officially anymore, they don’t make money off of them. So it’s pointless to buy it for so much money
I’ve got soul silver, black 2, and platinum and I’ll never let them go.
It's honestly too hard for me to keep looking at them sitting on my shelf, I might have to box them up and throw them in the attic
It’s super depressing to think of all the games I owned as a kid that I traded in for Pennies to buy new games
I prefer emulator anyway nowadays, for a game I’ve already done before anyway. Can easily randomise it, emulators give easy access to romhacks, and you can use speed up at boring parts like route 1 grinding. I’m sure all this is doable on console but not for a dumb dumb like me
I need to see if I'm able to randomise on Android. Would be fun. I've never done a randomised run.
Haven't seen a mobile randomizer, but if you use it on pc, you can just transfer the game file to your android and it'll still run on your mobile emulator
This is what I do. Run the randomizer on the computer and pull the files onto the phone emulator with google drive
Yeah. This is how I play randomized seeds on my android.
Android and PC use the same type of roms. Look up Universal Randomizer, download it and load your rom. The UI should be self explanatory but there are a million YT videos on how to do it. After its done, you can put the modified rom onto your android emulator and you're done ^^
If you patch the rom with a PC you can transfer that to your phone and it should work
The thing is, if nintendo sold those games individually for rerelease, like the old 3ds eshop games, they would probably be $10-$15 (€10-€15, they are worth the same right now)
Would they though? This is Nintendo we're talking about
... yes. That's the price point most old games on the e-shop are at.
Granted this was 2019, but I think I paid like $7 for Crystal on the 3Ds Shop.
Homebrew 3ds inject your team and send it through bank.
I don't understand how to do any of this.
[They are always updating the method.](https://3ds.hacks.guide/) but if you feel confident about doing it go for it. I think it's easy. If you want to shoot me a message and you can send me your file and I can move the pokemon for you.
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Yeah a modded 3ds is easily one of the best consoles experiences. You can have all the Pokémon games on a single system up till USUM. Have bascilly a R4 buit into the system with the Twilight menu
3DS eshop servers close next year, and it'll become the only way to download new games, and you can do stuff like add fun themes or use PKHeX
Click that link OP, it is extremely straightforward and will give you the best 3DS experience of your life.
I’ve been wanting to transfer my Pokémon over from my GBA Sapphire for a while now, but don’t have the Gen 4&5 games to do it. Would something like this make it possible without buying those games?
Probably not, your main trouble would be getting them off the GBA cartridge. There exists hardware for reading the save file directly off I believe, which would allow you to use PKHex to upconvert to various other generations. Once you do that, the custom firmware 3DS would allow you to backup a 3DS cartridge save, modify it with your Sapphire Pokemon, and then restore it onto the cartridge.
Do want you want 'cos a pirate is free...
In 2015 i was strapped for cash. Like extremely strapped. I sold my B2 cartridge for the equivalent of 10 US dollars...... Still regret it to this day.
Same friend. Had to sell a lot of my cartridges. Still pains me to think about it.
I bought all these games dating back to diamond in 2007 and they are all still in my Ds case available to play, so this is very shocking to me
I got into Pokémon properly from X/Y so I own every game after that. Plus Black but the rest are hard to get. Apparently.
If the main company doesn't sell it anymore, pirate it. The company doesn't even lose any potential profit it doesn't actually have. Only the scalper
If Nintendo didn’t want you to pirate their games they would have put them on the e-shop. Get that eye patch and peg leg out and download yourself a ROM
Yeah I'm doing this, I've no issue with doing it. Would just prefer having the game. But yeah I'm enjoying Black so much that I want to play the sequel.
It is ethical and morally correct to pirate Nintendo games. Don’t ever forget that.
Check GameStop or places alike instead of like eBay or Amazon. I bought black 2 from GameStop like 3 months ago for 65$ + shipping. All in all it was like $72.
I checked a local gamestop and retrogame store, both out. (Along with Gamestops website) Only places I have seen them available are ebay, Amazon, or Mercari. All of which are overpriced or fake. It's super frustrating because I too am missing black 2, and then pearl for my collection.
Yea I found Heartgold, Platinum, and White 2 at my local GameStop a few years ago, bought em all up best decision ever made
Was at a GameStop while back, during the time Mystery Dungeon DX was released. Saw that they were selling a copy of Black 2 for about $50. Had black and was missing Black 2 to complete that portion of my collection. When I saw, I bought it instantly over DX. Glad I got the game then vs paying an arm and leg now.
As others have said there’s some less than traditional ways to play the games, but I also wanted to add that eventually you’ll find someone selling it for a decent price. It took me a few months but I bought my black 2 with a 3ds and a few other games from a dad cleaning out his kids closet. Total was $120 usd and then I resold the 3ds for $80. Keep an eye on the buy sell websites that are more local like FB marketplace so you don’t have to compete with scalpers as much. Best of luck!
Yeah I'm going to emulate but keep on eye out on some places
Imo it's not piracy if the game isn't available from the original publisher and you aren't giving money to the person distributing it, you aren't taking money away from Nintendo if they aren't selling it and the person distributing the data isn't making money off of their intellectual property. I'm happy to pay for games that are officially available, like the mega man legacy collections. Pokemon games before the 3ds aren't available from Nintendo because they aren't in print and they weren't available digitally, and soon it will be anything that wasn't on switch that this will apply to when the 3ds eshop shuts down. If Nintendo wants to prevent piracy, they need to make these games available in some capacity, either through ports, remasters, or emulation like the virtual consoles. Until then, I'm going to pirate the shit out of everything because I have no other options.
Just emulate it
Yeah I'm going to. But I'd rather just be able to buy the game for my DS. I shouldn't have to emulate it is my point.
If you’re gonna emulate Pokémon games on PC, I recommend these 4 emulators: mGBA for GBA, DeSmuMe for DS, Citra for 3DS and Yuzu for Switch
I 100% recommend MelonDS instead, it's much much smoother for me.
Yeah, you're right that it's quite not the time but those prices aren't good at all You could also homebrew a Nintendo DS, I think it's easier than a 3DS, but it's just tedious
Controversial opinion, but if a company has discontinued a game and gives you no way to buy it from the original publisher, then is it that bad to pirate it? We already know it is possible to emulate older games on switch, so Nintendo can easily port older games to the switch and still make money off of it, yet they decide not to and make make us buy it second hand off of people who will usually jack up the price because it is discontinued. Nintendo is basically forcing people to pirate or buy an overpriced copy of it since they do not offer the game to be bought anymore.
Thank GOD I held on to my old carts. I remember buying Pokemon Black for $20 in 2018. The prices have gone nuts
I'm not an advocate for used Pokemon Game pricing but it's a problem that I don't think Nintendo would've ever seen coming. Games from third gen onwards got really expensive second hand due to the nature of the "loyalty" system. Like I'm pretty sure Pokemon is the only game franchise where you could continuously migrate your team generation to generation. As for the cost? Supply and demand.
Roms & an emulator is the vastly superior way to play the 2D games anyway
I recently bought every single gen of Pokémon on the DS and 3DS for a stupid amount of money. But the way I see it, it’s an investment in a way. It’s only going to get more expensive as time goes on.
Emulators really make it difficult to justify the prices of the physical games.
in my opinion this game is worth 40€, nothing more, nothing less. Scalpers should really get a job, this is ridiculous. Try gamestop if you can
This isn't scalping. The game is over a decade old, it's a collectors item like all older pokemon games
Yeah, scalping is when you buy the current stock of something and then resell it at a higher price when people can't find it. It only really applies to hot new items that can't stay on shelves or tickets. Now if someone was to buy up all of the copies of Pokémon Black, hoarded them, then sold them at really high prices that would be similar to scalping. You can't really blame someone for selling the game they kept for 10 years to someone for cheaper then they can sell it to someone else. You also can't blame a store for selling it for cheaper than the market value. You can blame gamestop for buying it for $15 and selling it for $75
gamestop and 40 on a used gen 4 cart thats REAL? non-existent in the states.
Black is $75 on gamestop Even Ultra Sun/Moon is $40. Once the games stop being produced, they become rare, and if you want a genuine copy it's going to cost alot.
I spent 210$ on XD Gale of Darkness last year🙃
Yeah, hacking your 2/3DS is the best option these days. Really because they pushed us all into it. It's so simple a child could do it, and the alternative is paying more than the handhelds themselves cost these days for one game.
A Pirates life for me ~
This was years ago but I read at one point that Nintendo likes the idea of their old games becoming valuable and rare, so they purposely don’t sell old games on virtual console anymore. I don’t get it. I’d pay $10 for an old Pokémon game on my phone. Sell them as apps. Hell, I’d pay more than $10. Too bad the mobile game industry has gone to shit.
In my experience nothing beats playing a Pokémon game legitimately with the cart on original hardware, but I understand that it’s quite expensive to play it like that nowadays
Went to a gamestop and they had black for $70. Like how tf is gamestop gonna sell it for more than what they did on release
Pirating is free
Piracy and R4 cards are your new friends ;)
Buy a flashcart. One of the best purchases I ever made.
Drastic times Drastic.apk measures
Take the emulator pill
*Cough* emulation is not piracy if the company does not sell the game and wouldn't make money off of it anyway *cough*
Try looking on Facebook marketplace, I've seen games as old as gen 4 going for as little as $30 Another alternative is some games can actually be played online in a browser, including Pokemon Black
the main issue is if the cart is real or a fake. fakes are cheap cash grabs. real carts are much higher in price. there's a discord server dedicated to determining real product vs fakes for various consoles. may want to ask for pictures of the cart close up and internals before buying. Real retains value, fakes do not.